Sibi Chozha Surya,Chandra Yadu Vamsa? Research


I had written an article on the fact that the ancestors of Rama, including Manu had intimate connections with Dravidas, people from the south of Vindhyas. They were called Dravidas because the land lay south of Vindhyas.They were a part and parcel of Bharatavarsha and Sanatana Dharma.

I published a Video providing proof that the ancestor of Rama, father of Ikshvaaku, the founder of Solar/Surryavansh/Ikshvaaku dynasty, was from the South.Later while talking about another ancestor od Rama, I spoke about Sibi,the Chozha Emperor ruled from the SWAT region of what is now Pakistan. Video( In Tamil) Below on Sibi.

For the video ( in Tamil)on Sibi, I received the following comment.

‘Respected Sir, Ancestry of rama nu genealogy search panni paathen, can’t find the name Sibi in the lineage given in any site, the first several names are there in the lineage but the name sibi seems to appear in one of branches of chandravamsa lineages, i got confused. And as per this thiruvelkadu cheppadu, Dhusyantha and bharatha are also mentioned ancesters of chola in that lineage, but it is obvious that both these kings are chandravamsi. It seems that later Chola kings (post sangam age who use sanskrit names instead of tamil names) lacked clarity of thier ancestry. Might be of mixed ancestry where sangam era cholas may belong to progenitor of surya vamsa and later chola may be descendants of chandra vamsa (just a guess), even if we take this assumption to be true, still cholas identify themselves as suryavamsi only not as chandra vamsi why?, i have no idea what scriptures and puranas to refer to solve this puzzle, so plz upload a video clarifying this confusion Sir. Thankyou..’

The question is on the target.The intermarriage between Suryavansha and Chandravansh was frequet.The reason is that Manu had a Daughter,Ela.She married Budha, son of Chandra and had a son through him. He was called Purururavas.While many versions of the tale exist, Ila is usually described as a daughter or son of Vaivasvata Manu and thus the sibling of Ikshvaku, the founder of the Solar Dynasty. In versions in which Ila is born female, she changes into a male form by divine grace soon after her birth. After mistakenly entering a sacred grove as an adult, Ila is either cursed to change his/her gender every month or cursed to become a woman. As a woman, Ilā married Budha, the god of the planet Mercury and the son of the lunar deity Chandra (Soma), and bore him a son called Pururavas, the father of the Lunar dynasty. After the birth of Pururavas, Ilā is transformed into a man again and fathered three sons.

So Ila being the sister of Ikshvaaku, the children of Ikshvaaku and Ila are related as Uncle and Aunt’s children and it is customary to intermarry among these relatives.

In the following list, one would find the name of Sibi as a Yadava King, belonging to Krishna’s dynasty, which if Yadava.

S142)SAUBAGASENA MAYURA – 205

S143)SAUNAKA , SON OF SUNAKA – 950 BCE

S144)SAUNAKA DEVAPI – 925

S145)SAUNAKA INDROTA – 900

S146)SAUNAKA DRTI – 875

S147)SAUNAKA BUDHA SONA – 400

S148)SENAJIT NIPA – 1325

S149)SENAJIT OF MAGADHA – 858

S150)SETU DRUHYU -1520

S151)SIBI AUSINARA – 1345

https://tamilandvedas.com/tag/king-list-17/

The above site is authentic and please visit this site to now more about Tamil and Sanatana Dharma.

https://ramanisblog.in/2015/08/08/tamil-chola-sibi-ruled-from-pakistan/

the Indus riversAccording to Sivi Játaka, king Sivi (as Bodhisatta) had ruled Sivirattha with his capital at Aritthapura (Aristapura of Sanskrit) and is said to have donated his eyes to a blind Brahmana Chinese traveler Faxian records the scene of this story at So-ho-to (Swat), a country to the south of Oddiyana between the Kabol and

https://youtu.be/1uI96-RNVuE .

In some versions, Sivi appears as a personal name but in others it is the name of the country and its people. According to 7th-century Chinese monk and traveller Xuanzang, Sivika (Sibika) had cut his body to pieces to save a dove from a hawk. Xuanzang described Sivika as a personal name or an epithet. Chinese envoy Song Yun (518-20 AD) also refers to Sivika raja (Sivi king) and connects him to Oddiyana.Thus, the Chinese evidence connects king Sivi/Sivika and the Sivi people or country with the Oddiyana/Swat territory between the Kabol and Indus rivers, which forms part of modern Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province of Pakistan. Aritthapura of the Buddhist Sivi Jataka is same as the Orobatis of Alexander’s historians.[6] B. C. Law connects Jataka’s Aritthapura with Ptolemy‘s Aristobothro in the north of Punjab.

It has been identified with Shahbazgarhi region, north of river Kabol. Dr S. B. Chaudhury also states that Aritthapura of the Sivi Jataka points to Swat valley as the ancient country of the Sivis. Matsya Purana says that Indus flowed through the Janapada of Sivapura (country of the Sivis)

The Sivis, as described by Alexander’s historians, “were a shaved-headed people, worshipers of god Shiva, wore clothes made from animal skins, and were warlike people who fought with the clubs…most of these are also the salient characteristics of the ancient Kambojas”.

Mahabharata refers to the Kambojas as Munda (“shaved-headed soldiery”). In the same Mahabharata text, Rudra Siva is also given the epithet of Munda. The Kambojas are also attested to have been ardent worshipers of Siva-cult (Munda-cult).

 S. Levi states that “the Kambhojas were a branch of the Bhojas and were not a part of the Aryans (i.e Indo Aryans)”.The name “Kambhojas” is etymologised as Kamblala + Bhojas (“the Bhojas with Kambalas or blankets”) as well as Kamniya + Bhojas (meaning “The handsome Bhojas or the desirable Bhojas”). Thus, Levi and others have connected the ancient Bhojas with the Kambhojas. Both Kambojas and the Bhojas are also referred to as north-western people in the 13th Rock Edict of king Asoka. Thus, the Kambojas appear to have either been anciently and inadvertently confused with the Bhojas who were a Yadavatribe, or, else, there was indeed some kind of link between the Bhojas and the ancient Kambhojas as S. Levi suggests. Writers like James F. K. Hewitt and others also connect the Sivis, Bhojas and the Drhuyus with the Kambhojas. The Chinese evidence on king Sivi as well as king Vessantara (Sudana, Saniraja or Pi-lo of the Chinese records), the rulers of Oddiyana (in pre-Buddhist times) also seems to lend a fair credence in this direction.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sivi_Kingdom

‘Kulya (Prince of Andhra and whose descendants were Pallavas and Tondai Kings), Chola (Founder of Chola Kingdom and Dynasty), Pandya (Founder of Pandya Kingdom and Dynasty), Kerala (Whose descendants were Cheras) – Because of these kings Dravida Country (Tamil and Sanskrit are the two eyes of this country) was developed. https://en.everybodywiki.com/Turvasu,_Druhyu_and_Anu_Dynasties

Tamil Reference to Sibi. ‘

  1.  ‘கூர் உகிர்ப் பருந்தின் ஏறு குறித்து ஒரீஇத்,
    தன் அகம் புக்க குறுநடைப் புறவின்,
    தபுதி அஞ்சிச் சீரை புக்க,
    வரையா ஈகை உரவோன்’
    என்று சிபிச் சக்கரவர்த்திச் சோழனின் வரலாற்றை புலவர் தாமப்பல்கண்ணனார் குறிப்பிடுகிறார். புறநானூறு 43
  2.  புறவின் அல்லல் சொல்லிய, கறை அடி
  3. யானை வால் மருப்பு எறிந்த வெண் கடைக்
    கோல் நிறை துலாஅம் புக்கோன் மருக!
    ஈதல் நின் புகழும் அன்றே -புறநானூறு 39
  4.  புள் உறு புன்கண் தீர்த்த, வெள் வேல்,
    சினம் கெழு தானை, செம்பியன் மருக! -புறநானூறு 37
  5.  நீயே, புறவின் அல்லல் அன்றியும், பிறவும்
    இடுக்கண் பலவும் விடுத்தோன் மருகனை, – புறநானூறு 46
  6.  எள்ளறு சிறப்பின் இமையவர் வியப்பப்
    புள்ளுறு புன்கண் தீர்த்தோன் – சிலப்பதிகாரம், வழக்குரை காதை
  7. Tamil Sangam literatire Purananuru and Silappadikaaram Speak highly of Sibi and detail the story narrated in the Puranas,including Vishnu Purana and alos in Siva Jataka Tales.

So, we have following information.

1.Sibi was a Chozha King.

2.Chozha Kings trace their origin to Ikshvaaku Dynasty and Solar and Lunar Dynasties intermarried.

3.Tamal Language is found near NWFP and Afghanistan.

4.Tamil kings had relations with Akkadians.

5.Presence of Dasaratha, Rama and Bharatha in Kings List of Sumeria. So, the point is that because of these relations with Sumeria and Akkadians, Sibi could have had his second capital in the area around Pakistan, Kabul. Some historians place the area as west part of Rajasthan and some the western part of Punjab.

6.Manu was a Dravida King.

6.Rama belonged to Chozha dynasty, who claim that they belong to Ikshvaaku dynasty and were from Kasyapa Gotra.

7.Ila was the sister of Manu and as such ancestor of Rama and by implication is related to Suryavansh, though she belongs to Lunar Dynasty, Chandravansh.

8.Not only, Purans, but Tamil literature and Buddhist Jataka refer to the Sibi narration , without any change.

So, it is safe to conclude that Sibi was indeed a Tamil King with Sanatana Dharm, Roots, who had a capital in North west of what it Pakistan now.

And he could have belonged to Ikshavaaku, Chandravansh or Yadava Dynasty as the latter sprang from the Ikshvaaku Dynasty, Suryavansh/Solar Dynasty.

Reason to identify is taking long is that his name in Sanskrit could have been different and am looking for it and update.



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2 replies

  1. Thanks for ur response Sir, as a blog with authentic links for references. Got my doubt cleared and your reply is very informative, learned a lot new things like Chola once had capital in indus region, which adds a valid reason and puranic authentication to Dr. Balakrishnan IAS’s claim of finding similar place names in chola ruled region of tamilnadu and indus valley site names, in his book, “The journey of civilization: From indus to vagai”. Waiting to learn a lot from ur further posts.

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