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From Where Did The Brahmins Come?

One of the most controversial topics is whether the Aryans invaded India and later settled here and if so from where did they come from?

I have already posted a blog .The Myth called Aryan Invasion’

The scientific research proves that there is no Aryan Invasion at all.

I will be adding some more points to disprove this Myth and before that there are some questions to be answered ,the questions arising out of Ramayana.

Rama and the others ; hailing from the Northerner part of India and if the Ramayana is a fact,which it is( I have posts on this under Hinduism),Lord Rama and others should have been fair-skinned,

But the description of Rama is Blue Black.

This is based on the conception of Lord Vishnu as Black in color.while Lakshmi is Golden (Hiranya varnaam(Sri Suktham), Lord Shiva of Reddish Hue,Parvati of greenish hue, as per the Purana.

But based on geographical origin and the present people living in North India Rama should have been fair-skinned.

We have two options.

1.Ramayana was a fiction.

This is incorrect as the Astronomical data provided in the Ramayana and other Purana stand the test of Science.

Ramayana is a fact.

So we are left with the other option that there have been other skinned people in India before Ramayana and there has been an a mix of various groups having different racial characteristics.

Lord Rama could have been an exception as far as color is concerned.

Others in the Ramayana were not of the same hue as Rama.

Sita was fair-skinned.

Against this Ravana was not described as dark-skinned and he is the brother of Kubera who is fair-skinned and Ravana is a Brahmin though he is described as a Dravidian!

Therefore logic forces one to conclude that there were more races in India than one homogeneous Race in India which included Sri Lanka.

Again if one refers to any of the Eighteen Purana, one would find descriptions of people both black and fair-skinned.

And not all Brahmins were fair-skinned.

For example, Aurava and you can find Brahmins of Dark hue in South India.

The Indian Society expanded outwards, not from outwards.

This is why one finds remnants of Hindu Thoughts in all the continents more specifically Egypt, central America , Australia and the Middle East.

The early Indian Society was based on disposition, Varna, Brahmanas, Kshatriya , Vaishya and Sudras.

Therefore the Brahmins did not come from any where to India and were a part of India Society.

There is a school of thought which establishes that the Dravidian were living South of the Vindhya range and later they mixed with the people from the South.

Sage Viswamitra banished his sons to the South and they intermingled with the Dravidians.

Sage Apasthamba came from this mixed race and he composed the Apasthamba Sutra of the Vedas and it is being followed by the Brahmins of South India even today.

Some more objections to Aryan Invasion of India.

1) If the ‘light skinned and mostly blonde haired and blue eyed’ Aryans had really invaded India and settled here thereafter, then why are such people with pure Caucasian features rarely found in India now? If it is because of centuries of racial intermixing, then how come one can still find some quite dark skinned people in India but not central Asian/ European type ‘white’ skinned people in India? Even the light brown skinned people found in the far north of India in places like Kashmir aren’t as fair as the ‘Aryans’ are considered to be.

2) The Aryans divided themselves into 3 classes. The fourth class was the lowly ‘Shudra’ class, explained by the European historians as the Aryan conquered Dravidians’ class. By this logic, all the high castes, esp. the Brahmins had to be white/ light brown skinned and the people belonging to the ‘Shudra’ class had to be dark brown skinned. And yet, many dark skinned Brahmins and light skinned ‘Shudras‘ can easily be found in India – both in north as well as south. And upon that, inter-caste marriages, esp. high and low caste ones, are still uncommon in almost all parts of India. Another point regarding castes is that – Valmiki, the writer of the great Indian epic ‘Ramayana’, was born a Shudra, but ultimately, by attaining the Brahminical aspect of knowledge earning, spiritual understanding and noble mannerisms, became a Brahmin. ‘Ramayana’ is the story (does not matter if it was factual or myth) of a Kshtriya (Aryan) prince of North India – Lord Rama, who at the climax of the story defeats and kills the demonic king of Sri Lanka (south of India) – Ravana. Now, even though Ravana was a Brahmin (Aryan) by caste, he is considered, in the Indian spiritual folklore, as an UnArya or a non-Aryan, on account of his demonic deeds. This all suggests that caste system, originally, was not rigid, and that, ‘Aryan’ was an open, attainable socio-spiritual status.

3) How come almost all the light brown skinned people in India (considered to be the descedants of the original Aryans) belong to the cold climate locations of India like Kashmir and Himachal and the dark brown skinned (considered to be the Dravidians themselves) belong to the warm climate locations? This suggests that skin colour in India has more do do with the climate and atmosphere of a particular region in India.

4) If the Aryans were outsiders in India, then why do their spiritual-cultural-social compilation ‘The Vedas’ do not mention any outside cities, rivers and mountains? Why do they only mention the places that are found in India, as their sacred most? Why not some place in Caucasus or Iran? Why don’t the Vedas, which contain references to many battles, contain no reference to an ‘invasion’ of the land of Indus-Saraswati (India)? How come the modern descendants of Aryans in India have no recollection of their foreign origins? How come the descendants of Shudras (so called Dasas or Dasyus or Dravidians or indigenous race of India) have no recollection of an Aryan invasion of their land and their subsequent subjugation because of a defeat at the hands of the Aryans?

5) If the Dravidians’ Indus valley civilization met its end at the hands of the invading Aryans, then how come no horse remains, broken chariots and burned buildings were discovered in and around the valley.

Source:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_did_the_aryans_get_to_India

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36 responses to “From Where Did The Brahmins Come?”

  1. l.m. Avatar
    l.m.

    The comment given by Mela Khem is the most enlightened assessment. Every ethnic group carries the degenerative trait of Albinism. The phenomenon of Albinism originated from Africa as a result of ancient humans interbreeding too closely to their bloodlines; hence, kin folk. Their off springs or descendants inherited the degenerative trait, albinism. Albinos have one chromosome missing which distinguishes them from healthy humans. Some people have brown skin and show the traits only in their hair or eyes, such as red hair, green or blue eyes. Like, Aborigines of Australia or indigenous people of Papua New Guinea. Other people have full symptoms of Albinism such as, blonde or red hair, green, gray and blue eyes and white skin. Such as, European White “Caucasians” have full blown albinism as a result of thousands of years of interbreeding in isolation.

    Albinos have been discriminated against and caste out of their societies since the dawn of human evolution. Black Africans have caste them out in fear that they possess demonic and immoral souls; a curse upon them by God from some for practicing ADULTERATION and INCESS! Yes, even some Black Africans practiced immoral and sinful acts.

    Now, we really need to think about it. White European historians and geneticists have giving us clues to their origins. For example, all European languages are Indo-European? German> Celtic>Latin (Italian) >Greek.>Turkic>Indo-European(Iranian)>Indian. These European languages are Indo? Why? It’s quite simple: White Europeans migrated to Europe thousands of years ago as Albino Dravidians. The Albino Dravidians were “caste off” and hurled into Northern India because they were seen as unholy, demonic, evil, tainted, unclean, immoral. Because of the hostile social conditions and harsh hot climate on Indian Sub Continent Dravidian Albinos slowly migrated to lands that they could escape persecution and cooler shaded lands in northern India (Vindhya Range) to escape. I believe the ancient Albino Dravidians formed isolated social groups and roamed Northern India and spred into territory they would later call the Land of Aryans, Prehistoric Persia, now Iran. These Aryans/Iranians (Albino Dravidians) later went south and raided, enslaved, murdered and created the evil caste system, “racism” centered around their genetically diseased and corrupted culture and religion; hence the rise of the Brahmins an Hinduism. Ancient Iranians (Aryans) have twisted the real truth and have caste a nasty spell onto the rich, civilized an ingenious culture established along the Indus River Valley of Ancient India and through much of the world as we know today.

    Note, the ancient Proto Indians were Black-Aboriginal type people who had migrated into Southern India from Eastern Africa tens of thousands of years ago.

    Remember, white skin is not a normal genetic trait in the human species. Instead, it is a mutation from brown skin humans. A genetic phenomenon possibly by accident through thousand of years of interbreeding in isolation.

    Peace, love and quest onward for knowledge…and the truth.

    -l.m.

    1. ramanan50 Avatar

      I shall e writing in detail on this shortly.Regds

    1. ramanan50 Avatar

      I saw the report. 1.Foreign to which Nation that existed at the time of Varvasrama dharma?2.That Brahmins reted caste is a Myth.Please refer my posts.3.Please check the latest reports on DNA research.Check my posts on this.
      Any way I shall be writing on the repeated attempts t disinformation by self styled Researchers.

  2. Shivalika Avatar
    Shivalika

    Well I believe that Aryan invasion was true to certain extent. I am a young girl hails from Punjabi Brahmin family (Bhardwaj). Recently I moved to USA and started working in IT company. Now being Indian, everyone in my office asked me ” Are you from Armenia?” . I know Aryans are actually from Armenia and then little from Persia. I am always so interested to know who were my ancestors . Well my father facial features are very similar to Persian men and also Armenian . He is more fairer then me lol. And my mom facial features are very similar to Persian women with fair complexion. And both hails from Brahmin family . My grandparents from both sides were from Pakistan , only after 1947 they came to India. I must believe that after aryas invasion , they all get mixed with rest of the population. I believe it’s not the color which distinguish us between Aryan and Dravidian. It’s also the features. Some of my friends are very fair Indians but their features doesn’t match with real aryans , I mean the Armenians . From my theory, there were wheatish color tone people living in India from thousands of years ago and after that Aryans came to India. I saw many fair people from UP but their features are not similar to Aryans at all( of course they got this fair tone from aryan people.. cross breed lol) Now In my case our families were never entered India before independence and they have less chances of getting mixed up with real indian people at that time and also they were orthodox so they all get married in btw brahmins only. So my genetic is quite still intact with real aryan genes.

    1. L Radhakrishna Rao Avatar

      https://polldaddy.com/js/rating/rating.jsThere is no point of bringing caste brahmin now. It is dead. Majority of brahmins don’t even resemble Parashurama, Dronacharya or Ashwathamma. These old races are extinct.
      My real ancestors were giants or daityas, and I am raksha gana. My varna is shudra as per horoscope, but I am olive skinned. LOL

      //I saw many fair people from UP but their features are not similar to Aryans at all( of course they got this fair tone from aryan people.. cross breed lol) Now In my case our families were never entered India before independence and they have less chances of getting mixed up with real indian people at that time and also they were orthodox so they all get married in btw brahmins only.//

      UP people have some mountain admixture in them, they are known as mountain indics, but they have some sharp features, like gracile noses etc. I don’t see brahmins of UP, rajasthan etc with sharp features also, they have more desi looks.

      The only way to identify brahmins would be, how much in breeding is present. But, in the past 30 years, with the globalisation, the varna brahman has taken a back seat. I mean, how many brahmins today have long skulls, like nord indics? Very very rare.

      1. L Radhakrishna Rao Avatar

        //I don’t see brahmins of UP, rajasthan etc with sharp features also, they have more desi looks.//

        Not UP, but gujrat.
        I know, punjabi brahmins, the real ones were aryans, once.

    2. L Radhakrishna Rao Avatar

      //From my theory, there were wheatish color tone people living in India from thousands of years ago and after that Aryans came to India//

      Skin color is not a parameter for aryan. It is the feature.

      //ow In my case our families were never entered India before independence and they have less chances of getting mixed up with real indian people at that time and also they were orthodox so they all get married in btw brahmins only. //

      At least, I am happy that inbreeding has made you to be race conscious. 30 years back ,we were inbreds, but with the ‘caste’ based brahmin marriages, the damage has happened, as my cousins ended up marrying local karnataka people, marathi people and even a scythian jatt, the indo scythian.

      I checked their skulls, and they have some mixture in them, like rough edges on face, and eyes are not smooth etc etc.

      Eventually, genetics wins over caste and religions and nationalism too!!!!

  3. Indian Realist Avatar
    Indian Realist

    I do not think there ever was a Dravidian race. It is a term coined by the British and later popularized by the Dravidian parties in south.
    In my view, the races down south from tamil nadu to srilanka was the Rakshasa race, who used to eat human flesh. The mongoloids of Bhutan and North East were called Pishachas. South west and kerala region was inhabited by Vanaras, ape like people, still developing into homo sapiens. Kishkindha is in modern day Karnataka.
    The Aryas were a mixed race people of the haplo J2a Iranians, G2a Georgians and R1a central asians.Cyrus the great claims to be one of them. Dasyus are the mixed breed indian people, Arya+Rakshasa+Vanara+pishachas

    1. L Radhakrishna Rao Avatar

      https://polldaddy.com/js/rating/rating.jsDravida was a cultural practises, and one of them was burning the dead people. ACtually, the real high lords or war chief were dravidas. My guess is that they were some druid people. Looks like sub continent have always been invaded by superior race people, since time immeorial.

      Also, aryans gave high lord status to dravida also. These people were bards or poets, fortune tellers and even used to fight wars.

      Rahul dravid does not have any dravidian features. He has more gracile indic features.

    2. L Radhakrishna Rao Avatar

      https://polldaddy.com/js/rating/rating.js//In my view, the races down south from tamil nadu to srilanka was the Rakshasa race, who used to eat human flesh//

      lol, south india, actually there was no India. This india is a british map.

      It was only in malabar regions that Lord Parashurama brought lot of brahmans with him. This was vindyachal mountain.

      Later on, during the times of kadambas, lot of north indians were called, brahmins for scholar works, while scythians for farming, and other military activities.

      Many scythians like rashtrakutas etc also established their kingdoms.

      South Indians are largely admixture of scythians and brachids.

      1. ramanan50 Avatar

        You are we to your views. Scythians etc are from Dravidas and not the other way around. Have written on this. More to follow. Kindly present your theory in an article so that I can publish it with comments. Disjointed comments may not help readers. Regards

  4. mela khem Avatar
    mela khem

    If you research the history of Albinos you will see that the so called “aryans” did not invade India, that is not until about 6000 years ago, where they went BACK as white people. They originated there as genetic defective offspring of the Dravidians who are Melanos(black) some 60,000 years ago where the first Albinos appeared. This is the origin of the Albinos(white) peoples of the Earth.
    Good luck.

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