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From Where Did The Brahmins Come?

One of the most controversial topics is whether the Aryans invaded India and later settled here and if so from where did they come from?

I have already posted a blog .The Myth called Aryan Invasion’

The scientific research proves that there is no Aryan Invasion at all.

I will be adding some more points to disprove this Myth and before that there are some questions to be answered ,the questions arising out of Ramayana.

Rama and the others ; hailing from the Northerner part of India and if the Ramayana is a fact,which it is( I have posts on this under Hinduism),Lord Rama and others should have been fair-skinned,

But the description of Rama is Blue Black.

This is based on the conception of Lord Vishnu as Black in color.while Lakshmi is Golden (Hiranya varnaam(Sri Suktham), Lord Shiva of Reddish Hue,Parvati of greenish hue, as per the Purana.

But based on geographical origin and the present people living in North India Rama should have been fair-skinned.

We have two options.

1.Ramayana was a fiction.

This is incorrect as the Astronomical data provided in the Ramayana and other Purana stand the test of Science.

Ramayana is a fact.

So we are left with the other option that there have been other skinned people in India before Ramayana and there has been an a mix of various groups having different racial characteristics.

Lord Rama could have been an exception as far as color is concerned.

Others in the Ramayana were not of the same hue as Rama.

Sita was fair-skinned.

Against this Ravana was not described as dark-skinned and he is the brother of Kubera who is fair-skinned and Ravana is a Brahmin though he is described as a Dravidian!

Therefore logic forces one to conclude that there were more races in India than one homogeneous Race in India which included Sri Lanka.

Again if one refers to any of the Eighteen Purana, one would find descriptions of people both black and fair-skinned.

And not all Brahmins were fair-skinned.

For example, Aurava and you can find Brahmins of Dark hue in South India.

The Indian Society expanded outwards, not from outwards.

This is why one finds remnants of Hindu Thoughts in all the continents more specifically Egypt, central America , Australia and the Middle East.

The early Indian Society was based on disposition, Varna, Brahmanas, Kshatriya , Vaishya and Sudras.

Therefore the Brahmins did not come from any where to India and were a part of India Society.

There is a school of thought which establishes that the Dravidian were living South of the Vindhya range and later they mixed with the people from the South.

Sage Viswamitra banished his sons to the South and they intermingled with the Dravidians.

Sage Apasthamba came from this mixed race and he composed the Apasthamba Sutra of the Vedas and it is being followed by the Brahmins of South India even today.

Some more objections to Aryan Invasion of India.

1) If the ‘light skinned and mostly blonde haired and blue eyed’ Aryans had really invaded India and settled here thereafter, then why are such people with pure Caucasian features rarely found in India now? If it is because of centuries of racial intermixing, then how come one can still find some quite dark skinned people in India but not central Asian/ European type ‘white’ skinned people in India? Even the light brown skinned people found in the far north of India in places like Kashmir aren’t as fair as the ‘Aryans’ are considered to be.

2) The Aryans divided themselves into 3 classes. The fourth class was the lowly ‘Shudra’ class, explained by the European historians as the Aryan conquered Dravidians’ class. By this logic, all the high castes, esp. the Brahmins had to be white/ light brown skinned and the people belonging to the ‘Shudra’ class had to be dark brown skinned. And yet, many dark skinned Brahmins and light skinned ‘Shudras‘ can easily be found in India – both in north as well as south. And upon that, inter-caste marriages, esp. high and low caste ones, are still uncommon in almost all parts of India. Another point regarding castes is that – Valmiki, the writer of the great Indian epic ‘Ramayana’, was born a Shudra, but ultimately, by attaining the Brahminical aspect of knowledge earning, spiritual understanding and noble mannerisms, became a Brahmin. ‘Ramayana’ is the story (does not matter if it was factual or myth) of a Kshtriya (Aryan) prince of North India – Lord Rama, who at the climax of the story defeats and kills the demonic king of Sri Lanka (south of India) – Ravana. Now, even though Ravana was a Brahmin (Aryan) by caste, he is considered, in the Indian spiritual folklore, as an UnArya or a non-Aryan, on account of his demonic deeds. This all suggests that caste system, originally, was not rigid, and that, ‘Aryan’ was an open, attainable socio-spiritual status.

3) How come almost all the light brown skinned people in India (considered to be the descedants of the original Aryans) belong to the cold climate locations of India like Kashmir and Himachal and the dark brown skinned (considered to be the Dravidians themselves) belong to the warm climate locations? This suggests that skin colour in India has more do do with the climate and atmosphere of a particular region in India.

4) If the Aryans were outsiders in India, then why do their spiritual-cultural-social compilation ‘The Vedas’ do not mention any outside cities, rivers and mountains? Why do they only mention the places that are found in India, as their sacred most? Why not some place in Caucasus or Iran? Why don’t the Vedas, which contain references to many battles, contain no reference to an ‘invasion’ of the land of Indus-Saraswati (India)? How come the modern descendants of Aryans in India have no recollection of their foreign origins? How come the descendants of Shudras (so called Dasas or Dasyus or Dravidians or indigenous race of India) have no recollection of an Aryan invasion of their land and their subsequent subjugation because of a defeat at the hands of the Aryans?

5) If the Dravidians’ Indus valley civilization met its end at the hands of the invading Aryans, then how come no horse remains, broken chariots and burned buildings were discovered in and around the valley.

Source:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_did_the_aryans_get_to_India

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36 responses to “From Where Did The Brahmins Come?”

  1. Kyle Avatar
    Kyle

    You need to do some research before posting articles like this because you’re giving many people incorrect information. Your interpretation of Aryan is that of the 1940’s Aryan. The original Aryan was just a light skinned person from Europe. They were not necessarily blonde hair blue eyes people. They likely had dark hair as well, not blonde. The Aryans were simply an ancient group of Indo Europpean people who came down from Europe and invaded places such as the Middle East, Greece, India, probably Asia, and possibly Italy as well. DNA studies can prove this. The internet is a wonderful tool. Use it!

    1. ramanan50 Avatar

      Please rad my other posts on this subject including the ones on The Myth of Aryan Invasion The DNA is from the South India.

      1. Indian Realist Avatar
        Indian Realist

        Y DNA haplo R1a1a is not from South India just because it is found in some tribals in south india like chenchu.Their percentage is too low to be true.However you could say it is from Dravida region because Gujrat is situated in south of the Vindhya ranges.

  2. poraivarman Avatar

    Before connecting race to brahmin caste it would be worthwhile to know what is defined as brahmin in our scriptures. See http://www.caste-india.com/brahmin-caste/

    1. ramanan50 Avatar

      There are posts filed Under Hinduism in this site

  3. Purushu Avatar

    Ramayana was a fiction.

    This is incorrect as the Astronomical data provided in the Ramayana and other Purana stand the test of Science.////

    This is no point to conclude that Ramayana wasn’t a fiction. Lol… a fable where people fly without aeroplanes, lift mountains, animals talk, bridges are built without structural engineers, a lady’s character is questioned and asked to take fire-test and a ‘blue’ skinned king meets apes down the south to defeat a dark skinned moustached villain! It’s not just a fiction but a racist and chauvinist fiction written during Sanskritization of India -> Vedic Period

    About the skin color, throw Eskimos in Equatorial region and their skin color will automatically change with generations (darker) to protect against the sun. Throw Indians in polar ice caps and their skin will automatically change with generations (lighter) to save vitamin D in body. This phenomenon is called ‘EVOLUTION’.

    And.. proving facts has more to do with ‘SCIENCE’ rather than ‘MYTHOLOGY’ (called mythology because it’s a myth… no one saw it happening, nothing proves it happened..but we all claim it happened)

    1. ramanan50 Avatar

      I am not sure what you mean by Science.
      If Carbon dating, Verification of Astronomical data with software is unscientific, then only Koran is the Authority.
      God Bless.

      1. Purushu Avatar

        Not to offend you but out of curiosity and a hint of amusement…. Did you just state that all that flying, bridges built without structural engineers, talking ape kings (who strangely seem to marry normal looking women), blue skinned human etc HAVE BEEN TESTED AND PROVEN WITH CARBON DATING? :O

        5000 years down the line Harry Potter, Kings Cross Station, London etc can also be verified and dated back to 1990s-2000s. Is that going to make Harry Potter not a fiction?

        P.S. It’s all right. You don’t have to bring a Koran here since I am not a Muslim and it makes negligible difference to me! I think Koran, Bible etc is just as flawed as Ramayana itself. We can’t help it. We are humans and we all are flawed and so are books we write.,

      2. ramanan50 Avatar

        I wish you to check some of my posts under astrophysics, Indian philosophy, Hinduism with the links I have provided.
        Regds,

    2. Nithya Rohit Avatar

      Dear Mr. Purushu,

      Greetings!

      Nice argument indeed! Like, we need to produce facts before proving some thing as true, we also need to provide evidence to prove some thing as false!

      Talking monkeys and dark villain. Whoa! You just made a literary wonder, Ramayana sound like a foolish mind play! Sanathana dharma can be viewed from many angles, from the puranas, vedas, etc. So there is no one book that can provide you information on right and wrong!

      Ramayana describes an ideal world! It was from a time when dharma was the zenith and any deviation from it was considered sin… Sri Rama was a great king who ruled over Ayodhya, many thousands of years ago. Remains are very much there to prove Ramayana as a true story.

      There is a very popular game known as “Chinese Whispers”. This game is played by a huge group of people who sit in a circle formation. The first person creates a big sentence and passes on to the other person, the next person has to remember it and pass it on to the next and the final one has to reproduce the message. In most cases, what the first person said never matches with the last person’s message! Same thing happened with our ancient texts. Sanskrit is a complex language and anything said in it can have multiple meanings! Every person interprets it in a different manner.

      Many scientific advancements were not explained to us in a proper fashion and people who did not understand science interpreted it as “miracle”, which was not the case. Sage Bharadwaja developed the first ever flying machine and he had documented the procedure to build and fly a plane in his book called “Vaimanika Sastra”. A similar machine was used by Ravana known as “Pushpaka Vimana”. People did not fly but it was the machine that they used, flew!

      Another point, about Sri Hanuman taking a leap and crossing the ocean in search of Sita Mata. With evolution, the proximity would have increased and may be Lanka was nearer to India than it was earlier. So, for an ape (in that era), it may not have been difficult to cover that distance. Sri Hanuman had taken stops in between, again they were known as “Vigna” or obstacles. However, I would like to call them as stops taken by Hanumanji to rebuild energy. Like, Sri Hanuman acknowledges Mount Mainaka, fights Simhika and jumps out or Surasa’s mouth… displaying some amazing qualities like intelligence, strength and fearlessness.

      Another episode in the life of Hanuman was that he jumped to the sky to eat Sun, thinking that it was fruit. Things that were not possible few years back, are made possible today. We can talk to our loved ones from any where, irrespective of the geographical distance. If that is possible then jumping to the skies would have been possible for Hanuman. A text which came ages after the life of Sri Hanuman mentions the exact distance between Sun & Earth. That text is the great Hanuman Chalisa. For your information, the distance has been validated by Nasa too! Well Nasa is recent as compared to the Hanuman Chalisa composed by Sant Tulasidas. It goes like this :

      Jug sahasra yojan par bhanu leelyo taahi madhur fal jaanu

      Meaning: This means that Sun (Bhanu) is at a distance of Jug Sahastra Yojan
      1 Jug = 12000
      1 Sahastra= 1000
      1 Yojan = 8 Miles
      Thus 12000 X 1000 X 8 = 96,000,000 miles
      I mile = 1.6 kms
      This further implies that distance is
      96,000,000 * 1.6 kms = 153,600,000 Kms

      Well, ancient texts were not hoax after all…

      Ram Setu was not a miracle performed by Nal & Neel (sons of Vishwakarma) but a geological wonder. Nal & Neel either threw dead corals or pumice that would float on water! They were geologists of their time.

      The weapons used in the Ramayana & Mahabharata were complex missiles that were possessed by Sri Ram & even Ravana. Two powerful men, with access to some complex missiles went on war, yet they did not destroy the whole of nation, like we do today. Both were great rulers, people with great intellect. But, unfortunately, for Ravana he committed a sin which he should not have and that led him to his death!

      Ashoka vatika (where Sita mata was held captive) is still present in Lanka. Panchavati, where Sri Ram, Lakshman and Sita mata resided during their exile is a tourist attraction near Nashik, Maharashtra. Rameswaram is said to be a popular destination where Sri Ram prayed to Lord Shiva…

      Positive thoughts can be drawn from Sun god, for sure! Sandhya vandana is one such act that is performed by people to draw energies from the universe. Aditya Hrudayam, a hymn taught to Sri Ram by Sage Agastya is popularly known to heal one’s soul. This was nothing but a technique to convert energies from the universe to positive ones. Well this science was known to Sage Agastya, way before the modern law of conservation of energy.

      Law of conservation of energy states: “Energy can be neither created nor destroyed, but can change from one form to another”. This is the same science applied while performing Sandhya Vandana and also the trick behind the chanting of Aditya Hrudayam. People say that, with positive thoughts drawn from Sun god, Sri Ram was able to overcome his fears & was able to win over adharma!

      Well, only point behind writing such a big comment is to make people understand that our ancient scriptures are not just hoax. Let us take a step forward to learn our ancient scriptures the way they are, rather than reading interpretations by people who do not understand the crux…

      Note: This comment is not to offend any one. Hoping that this message is taken in a positive way. Glory to Sri Ram!

    3. Indian Realist Avatar
      Indian Realist

      You are denying the obvious fact because you are too scared to face the truth that you descent from these vanaras and rakhshasa and aryas. THere is no pure race in the world anymore.Infact it is good that way.Our Gene pool is healthy only because we chose to mix it up.Kindly wake up now.

      1. ramanan50 Avatar

        As to Darwinian Theory it is full of holes,Pleas read y post on this,Arya theory has been thrahsed.please refer y posts on this.Regds

    4. lifenrose Avatar

      Are u an atheist or what? Or u don’t know that at that time the science was more developed than 21st century

  4. visala Avatar

    Nice post. I believe ramayana is afact.

  5. krish43 Avatar

    Reblogged this on DAKSHINA KALIKA..

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