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  • Indus Valley Civilization Dravidian

    Indus Valley Civilization Dravidian

    ..The term Dravidian coined by Robert Caldwell,who was a Christian Missionary with the Agenda of propagating Christianity much like Mueller has played/is playing havoc in understanding the ancient History of India.

    The term Dravida was used by the Vedic texts to indicate a group of people living south of the Vindhya Mountains,Caldwell used this term to indicate an Ethnic group and paved a way to divide India on the bass of Ethnicity.

    Then came the sophisticated attempt of dividing my proposing Aryan Invasion theory,which now stands discredited.

    Please read my post The Fraud called Aryan Invasion.

    While Max Mueller ,another well masked missionary took the route of planting deliberate misinterpretation of Vedas,though he did some good job,to confuse ancient Indian History(please read my articles on Max Mueller),Robert Caldwell took the Tamil Language to distort History by paving the way for misinformation about Tamils,Dravidas and Sanatana Dharma.

    Indus valley time chart.image.
    Indus valley Timeline

    This has made historians running in circles.

    If one accepts Aryan Invasion Theory,you have to accept that there was no presence of Vedic Dharma in the south;there were animosities between the Arynas and the Dravidas:the culture of these two were mutually exclusive;you can not explain the advanced culture in the South nor can you account for the numerous archeological finds that indicate a close connection between the two:you find it to date Kings and Eras.

    But facts reveal themselves if one takes India as a unit refer to literature of All Indian Languages and foreign  literary references about India from Plato,Strabo and others.

    The facts.

    Rama’s ancestor was A Dravidian and ruled Dravida Kingdom.

    Ravana was from the south and was a Dravida.

    Shiva worship preceded in the Dravida Desa much before the Vedic period.

    Valmiki,who compiled/composed Ramayana,was a Tamil poet.

    So were Sage Agastya ,Parashurama,Gautama,Rishyasrunga….

    Rama’s ancestor Sagara of Kosala Kingdom married a Dravidian princess.

    Krishna attended Tamil Sangam.

    Krishna,Arjuna married Pandyan Princesses and had children.

    Sahadeva and Balarama visited South in their pilgrimage.

    Madurai Meenakshi’s father Malayathdwaja Pandyz fought along with Pandavas in the Kurukshetra battle of Mahabharata.

    Chera king Perunchotru Udiyan Neduncheralaathan provided food for both the Pandava and Kaurava armies during Mahabharatha war.

    Kulothunga Chola’s son in law built Konark Sun Temple.

    Rama,Sita and Hanuman ,among others of Ramayana visited many Shiva and Vishnu temples in the south..

    List is endless.

    Now more evidence.

    Tamil Brahmi script was found in Saraswathi valley.

    Tamil King Sibi,ancestor of Rama ruled from the north,where he had his second capital.

    He built the Thiruvellarai Temple,near Srirangam,Tamil Nadu for Vishnu as Pundarkaksha.

    Tamil is found among the Brahui people in NWFP area even today.

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    The Indus Valley civilisation (2,600-1,900 BCE) located both in Paistan and India is often identified as having been Dravidian.Cultural and linguistic similarities have been cited by researchers Henry Heras, Kamil Zvelebil, Asko Parpola and Iravatham Mahadevan as being strong evidence for a proto-Dravidian origin of the ancient Indus Valley civilisation.The discovery in Tamil Nadu of a late Neolithic (early 2nd millennium BCE, i.e. post-dating Harappan decline) stone celt allegedly marked with Indus signs has been considered by some to be significant for the Dravidian identification.….

    Yuri Knorozov surmised that the symbols represent a logosyllabic script and suggested, based on computer analysis, an underlying agglutinative Dravidian language as the most likely candidate for the underlying language.Knorozov’s suggestion was preceded by the work of Henry Heras, who suggested several readings of signs based on a proto-Dravidian assumption.….

    Linguist Asko Parpola writes that the Indus script and Harappan language are “most likely to have belonged to the Dravidian family”. Parpola led a Finnish team in investigating the inscriptions using computer analysis. Based on a proto-Dravidian assumption, they proposed readings of many signs, some agreeing with the suggested readings of Heras and Knorozov (such as equating the “fish” sign with the Dravidian word for fish, “min”) but disagreeing on several other readings. A comprehensive description of Parpola’s work until 1994 is given in his book Deciphering the Indus Script’

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dravidian_people

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedic_period

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rigvedic_tribes

    Images credit.

    http://www.crystalinks.com/induscivilization.html

    There are  33 Vedic tribes listed in the Rig Veda.

    Their presence and dispersal was towards the north,north east of India,Persia and Russia.

    One has to account for the presence of Sanatana Dharma in the Far east  ,extending to Australia and the spread  in Europe,Africa,Americas and Mesoamericas.

    This was the work of  Dravidians at first and later by the Vedic people.

    References and Citations. wiki,provided at each block quote.

    Reference Books.

  • From Where Did The Brahmins Come?

    One of the most controversial topics is whether the Aryans invaded India and later settled here and if so from where did they come from?

    I have already posted a blog .The Myth called Aryan Invasion’

    The scientific research proves that there is no Aryan Invasion at all.

    I will be adding some more points to disprove this Myth and before that there are some questions to be answered ,the questions arising out of Ramayana.

    Rama and the others ; hailing from the Northerner part of India and if the Ramayana is a fact,which it is( I have posts on this under Hinduism),Lord Rama and others should have been fair-skinned,

    But the description of Rama is Blue Black.

    This is based on the conception of Lord Vishnu as Black in color.while Lakshmi is Golden (Hiranya varnaam(Sri Suktham), Lord Shiva of Reddish Hue,Parvati of greenish hue, as per the Purana.

    But based on geographical origin and the present people living in North India Rama should have been fair-skinned.

    We have two options.

    1.Ramayana was a fiction.

    This is incorrect as the Astronomical data provided in the Ramayana and other Purana stand the test of Science.

    Ramayana is a fact.

    So we are left with the other option that there have been other skinned people in India before Ramayana and there has been an a mix of various groups having different racial characteristics.

    Lord Rama could have been an exception as far as color is concerned.

    Others in the Ramayana were not of the same hue as Rama.

    Sita was fair-skinned.

    Against this Ravana was not described as dark-skinned and he is the brother of Kubera who is fair-skinned and Ravana is a Brahmin though he is described as a Dravidian!

    Therefore logic forces one to conclude that there were more races in India than one homogeneous Race in India which included Sri Lanka.

    Again if one refers to any of the Eighteen Purana, one would find descriptions of people both black and fair-skinned.

    And not all Brahmins were fair-skinned.

    For example, Aurava and you can find Brahmins of Dark hue in South India.

    The Indian Society expanded outwards, not from outwards.

    This is why one finds remnants of Hindu Thoughts in all the continents more specifically Egypt, central America , Australia and the Middle East.

    The early Indian Society was based on disposition, Varna, Brahmanas, Kshatriya , Vaishya and Sudras.

    Therefore the Brahmins did not come from any where to India and were a part of India Society.

    There is a school of thought which establishes that the Dravidian were living South of the Vindhya range and later they mixed with the people from the South.

    Sage Viswamitra banished his sons to the South and they intermingled with the Dravidians.

    Sage Apasthamba came from this mixed race and he composed the Apasthamba Sutra of the Vedas and it is being followed by the Brahmins of South India even today.

    Some more objections to Aryan Invasion of India.

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    1) If the ‘light skinned and mostly blonde haired and blue eyed’ Aryans had really invaded India and settled here thereafter, then why are such people with pure Caucasian features rarely found in India now? If it is because of centuries of racial intermixing, then how come one can still find some quite dark skinned people in India but not central Asian/ European type ‘white’ skinned people in India? Even the light brown skinned people found in the far north of India in places like Kashmir aren’t as fair as the ‘Aryans’ are considered to be.

    2) The Aryans divided themselves into 3 classes. The fourth class was the lowly ‘Shudra’ class, explained by the European historians as the Aryan conquered Dravidians’ class. By this logic, all the high castes, esp. the Brahmins had to be white/ light brown skinned and the people belonging to the ‘Shudra’ class had to be dark brown skinned. And yet, many dark skinned Brahmins and light skinned ‘Shudras‘ can easily be found in India – both in north as well as south. And upon that, inter-caste marriages, esp. high and low caste ones, are still uncommon in almost all parts of India. Another point regarding castes is that – Valmiki, the writer of the great Indian epic ‘Ramayana’, was born a Shudra, but ultimately, by attaining the Brahminical aspect of knowledge earning, spiritual understanding and noble mannerisms, became a Brahmin. ‘Ramayana’ is the story (does not matter if it was factual or myth) of a Kshtriya (Aryan) prince of North India – Lord Rama, who at the climax of the story defeats and kills the demonic king of Sri Lanka (south of India) – Ravana. Now, even though Ravana was a Brahmin (Aryan) by caste, he is considered, in the Indian spiritual folklore, as an UnArya or a non-Aryan, on account of his demonic deeds. This all suggests that caste system, originally, was not rigid, and that, ‘Aryan’ was an open, attainable socio-spiritual status.

    3) How come almost all the light brown skinned people in India (considered to be the descedants of the original Aryans) belong to the cold climate locations of India like Kashmir and Himachal and the dark brown skinned (considered to be the Dravidians themselves) belong to the warm climate locations? This suggests that skin colour in India has more do do with the climate and atmosphere of a particular region in India.

    4) If the Aryans were outsiders in India, then why do their spiritual-cultural-social compilation ‘The Vedas’ do not mention any outside cities, rivers and mountains? Why do they only mention the places that are found in India, as their sacred most? Why not some place in Caucasus or Iran? Why don’t the Vedas, which contain references to many battles, contain no reference to an ‘invasion’ of the land of Indus-Saraswati (India)? How come the modern descendants of Aryans in India have no recollection of their foreign origins? How come the descendants of Shudras (so called Dasas or Dasyus or Dravidians or indigenous race of India) have no recollection of an Aryan invasion of their land and their subsequent subjugation because of a defeat at the hands of the Aryans?

    5) If the Dravidians’ Indus valley civilization met its end at the hands of the invading Aryans, then how come no horse remains, broken chariots and burned buildings were discovered in and around the valley.

    Source:

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_did_the_aryans_get_to_India

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