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  • From Where Did The Brahmins Come?

    One of the most controversial topics is whether the Aryans invaded India and later settled here and if so from where did they come from?

    I have already posted a blog .The Myth called Aryan Invasion’

    The scientific research proves that there is no Aryan Invasion at all.

    I will be adding some more points to disprove this Myth and before that there are some questions to be answered ,the questions arising out of Ramayana.

    Rama and the others ; hailing from the Northerner part of India and if the Ramayana is a fact,which it is( I have posts on this under Hinduism),Lord Rama and others should have been fair-skinned,

    But the description of Rama is Blue Black.

    This is based on the conception of Lord Vishnu as Black in color.while Lakshmi is Golden (Hiranya varnaam(Sri Suktham), Lord Shiva of Reddish Hue,Parvati of greenish hue, as per the Purana.

    But based on geographical origin and the present people living in North India Rama should have been fair-skinned.

    We have two options.

    1.Ramayana was a fiction.

    This is incorrect as the Astronomical data provided in the Ramayana and other Purana stand the test of Science.

    Ramayana is a fact.

    So we are left with the other option that there have been other skinned people in India before Ramayana and there has been an a mix of various groups having different racial characteristics.

    Lord Rama could have been an exception as far as color is concerned.

    Others in the Ramayana were not of the same hue as Rama.

    Sita was fair-skinned.

    Against this Ravana was not described as dark-skinned and he is the brother of Kubera who is fair-skinned and Ravana is a Brahmin though he is described as a Dravidian!

    Therefore logic forces one to conclude that there were more races in India than one homogeneous Race in India which included Sri Lanka.

    Again if one refers to any of the Eighteen Purana, one would find descriptions of people both black and fair-skinned.

    And not all Brahmins were fair-skinned.

    For example, Aurava and you can find Brahmins of Dark hue in South India.

    The Indian Society expanded outwards, not from outwards.

    This is why one finds remnants of Hindu Thoughts in all the continents more specifically Egypt, central America , Australia and the Middle East.

    The early Indian Society was based on disposition, Varna, Brahmanas, Kshatriya , Vaishya and Sudras.

    Therefore the Brahmins did not come from any where to India and were a part of India Society.

    There is a school of thought which establishes that the Dravidian were living South of the Vindhya range and later they mixed with the people from the South.

    Sage Viswamitra banished his sons to the South and they intermingled with the Dravidians.

    Sage Apasthamba came from this mixed race and he composed the Apasthamba Sutra of the Vedas and it is being followed by the Brahmins of South India even today.

    Some more objections to Aryan Invasion of India.

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    1) If the ‘light skinned and mostly blonde haired and blue eyed’ Aryans had really invaded India and settled here thereafter, then why are such people with pure Caucasian features rarely found in India now? If it is because of centuries of racial intermixing, then how come one can still find some quite dark skinned people in India but not central Asian/ European type ‘white’ skinned people in India? Even the light brown skinned people found in the far north of India in places like Kashmir aren’t as fair as the ‘Aryans’ are considered to be.

    2) The Aryans divided themselves into 3 classes. The fourth class was the lowly ‘Shudra’ class, explained by the European historians as the Aryan conquered Dravidians’ class. By this logic, all the high castes, esp. the Brahmins had to be white/ light brown skinned and the people belonging to the ‘Shudra’ class had to be dark brown skinned. And yet, many dark skinned Brahmins and light skinned ‘Shudras‘ can easily be found in India – both in north as well as south. And upon that, inter-caste marriages, esp. high and low caste ones, are still uncommon in almost all parts of India. Another point regarding castes is that – Valmiki, the writer of the great Indian epic ‘Ramayana’, was born a Shudra, but ultimately, by attaining the Brahminical aspect of knowledge earning, spiritual understanding and noble mannerisms, became a Brahmin. ‘Ramayana’ is the story (does not matter if it was factual or myth) of a Kshtriya (Aryan) prince of North India – Lord Rama, who at the climax of the story defeats and kills the demonic king of Sri Lanka (south of India) – Ravana. Now, even though Ravana was a Brahmin (Aryan) by caste, he is considered, in the Indian spiritual folklore, as an UnArya or a non-Aryan, on account of his demonic deeds. This all suggests that caste system, originally, was not rigid, and that, ‘Aryan’ was an open, attainable socio-spiritual status.

    3) How come almost all the light brown skinned people in India (considered to be the descedants of the original Aryans) belong to the cold climate locations of India like Kashmir and Himachal and the dark brown skinned (considered to be the Dravidians themselves) belong to the warm climate locations? This suggests that skin colour in India has more do do with the climate and atmosphere of a particular region in India.

    4) If the Aryans were outsiders in India, then why do their spiritual-cultural-social compilation ‘The Vedas’ do not mention any outside cities, rivers and mountains? Why do they only mention the places that are found in India, as their sacred most? Why not some place in Caucasus or Iran? Why don’t the Vedas, which contain references to many battles, contain no reference to an ‘invasion’ of the land of Indus-Saraswati (India)? How come the modern descendants of Aryans in India have no recollection of their foreign origins? How come the descendants of Shudras (so called Dasas or Dasyus or Dravidians or indigenous race of India) have no recollection of an Aryan invasion of their land and their subsequent subjugation because of a defeat at the hands of the Aryans?

    5) If the Dravidians’ Indus valley civilization met its end at the hands of the invading Aryans, then how come no horse remains, broken chariots and burned buildings were discovered in and around the valley.

    Source:

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_did_the_aryans_get_to_India

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  • Dravidian Movement Centenary-Inaccurate and Inappropriate.

    The DMK is planning Dravidian Movement Centenaryfrom 27 February 2012.

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    திருப்பதி, தேவிகுளம், பீர்மேடு, காவிரி வழித்தடங்கள் என, திராவிட இயக்கங்களால் ஏற்பட்ட இழப்புகளை ஈடு செய்யவே முடியாத நிலையில், மீண்டும் திராவிடன் என்ற போர்வையில் நூற்றாண்டு விழா தேவையா என, தமிழர்கள் மத்தியில் கடும் எதிர்ப்பு எழுந்துள்ளது.

    இன்று முதல், திராவிட இயக்க நூற்றாண்டு விழா துவங்குகிறது எனக் கூறி, அன்று சென்னையில், கருணாநிதி தலைமையில், கட்சி அலுவலகத்தில் விழா எடுப்பதாக தி.மு.க., அறிவித்துள்ளது. இதற்கு, பல்வேறு தமிழர் அமைப்புகளில் இருந்தும் கடும் எதிர்ப்பு எழுந்துள்ளது.

    பிரிவினையை ஏற்றது ஏன்?
    அவர்கள் எழுப்பும் கேள்விகள் இவை தான்:தெலுங்கு, தமிழ், கன்னடம், மலையாளம், துளு ஆகிய மொழிகள் எல்லாம் திராவிட மொழிகள்; அம்மொழி பேசும் மக்கள் திராவிட மக்கள் என்றால், தென்னகத்தில், மொழி வாரி மாநிலங்கள் பிரிவினையை ஏற்றது ஏன்?அப்படி பிரித்தது, மற்ற மொழி பேசும் மக்களின் விருப்பம் என்றால், தெலுங்கு நாடு, கன்னட நாடு, மலையாள நாடு என, மற்ற மாநிலங்கள் பெயர் சூடிக் கொள்ளாத நிலையில், மிச்சமிருந்த சென்னை மாகாணத்துக்கு திராவிட நாடு எனப் பெயர் சூட்டாமல், தமிழ்நாடு என, தி.மு.க., பெயர் சூட்டியது ஏன்? அப்படி என்றால், தமிழக மக்கள், திராவிடர்கள் என்ற தங்கள் கொள்கையை, தி.மு.க.,வே ஏற்கவில்லை என்று தானே பொருள்.

    அடைமொழி எதற்கு?
    தமிழகத்தைப் போல், ஆந்திராவிலோ, கர்நாடகத்திலோ, கேரளாவிலோ திராவிடம் என்ற பெயரால், இயக்கங்கள் தலையெடுக்காத நிலையில், யாரும் தங்களை திராவிடர்கள் எனக் கூறிக் கொள்ளாத நிலையில், தி.க.,வின் வழி வந்த கட்சிகள் மட்டும் இன்னும், திராவிடர் எனும் அடைமொழியை தூக்கி சுமப்பது ஏன்?திராவிடர் என்ற சொல்லை இன்னும் ஒரு சிலர் தாங்கிப் பிடிக்க காரணம் என்னவென்று ஆராய்ந்தால், அதற்கு, பா.ம.க., நிறுவனர் ராமதாஸ் ஏற்கனவே கூறிய உதாரணம் பெருமளவு பொருந்துகிறது. “தமிழகத்தில் ஒரு சில பச்சைத் தமிழர்கள் மட்டுமே முதல்வராக இருந்துள்ளனர். கருணாநிதி வம்சாவளியினர் ஆந்திராவை பூர்வீகமாகக் கொண்டவர்கள். முதல்வர் ஜெயலலிதா மைசூரில் பிறந்த தமிழர். வைகோ, விஜயகாந்த் இருவரும் தெலுங்கை தாய் மொழியாகக் கொண்டவர்கள். எம்.ஜி.ஆர்., கண்டியில் பிறந்த மலையாள மொழி பேசுபவர்’ என்ற அவரது கூற்றை ஏற்க வேண்டியுள்ளது.”

    http://www.dinamalar.com/News_detail.asp?Id=414245

    The seeds of the Dravidian movement was not even thought of in 1911/12.

    The earliest inkling was in 1914, when Natesa Mudaliar established a Hostel for non-Brahmin students.

    Ref.Encyclopaedia of Dalits in India by Sanjay Paswan.Google Books.

    Later this developed into the Self-Respect Movement,Justice part,DK , DMK etc.

    http://books.google.co.in/books?id=wWDnTWrz4O8C&pg=PA202&dq=dravidian+movement+principles&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5_1KT6bkOoesrAezqJS8Aw&sqi=2&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=dravidian%20movement%20principles&f=false

    Hence, celebrating the Dravidian Centenary in 2012 is sheer non sense.

    Of course, this is not new to Karunanidhi who celebrates Anna’s birth day on a different Date  at ‘Arivaalayam’ !

    The core tenets of Dravidian Movements are.

    Anti Brahminism.

    Anti Sanskrit.

    Anti North .

    Pan SouthIndia.

    Self respect!?

    Of the lot Anti Brahminism alone survives in the mind of Karunanidhi,Veera mani and their sycophants; that too this comes to the fore when Karunanidhi loses elections and when he wants to curry favour with Muslims and Christians  during Ramzan and Christmas. 

    The very concept of Dravidian Movement is a fraud to capture power by flotsam and jetsam of Society under the guise of Social Reformation and Self-Respect( as if none else has it than the protagonists!)

    ‘Dravida’ comes from the Sanskrit root ‘Dravid’ meaning South.

    It denotes people living south of the Vindhyas.

    It is a Geographical indicator and an indication of Race as these fraudsters make it to be.

    The reference may be found in the Vedas and as late as Adi Sankara who says ,to refer to Gnana Sambandar, ‘Dravida Sisu’-Soundarya Lahari.

    This Dravidians are to encompass the Tamils,Telugus,Kannadigas and Malayalis.

    None of these people subscribed to this idea and Tamil Nadu stood alone(not Tamil Nadu but these charlatans whom pose as the protectors of Tamil.

    Does it not sound funny that the leading luminaries of the so called movement were Telugus.Malayalis and Kannadigas (Pitti Theagaraya Chetty,T.M.Nair) after whom T.Nagar in Chennai is named and is till called as such,Nair Road is also in T.Nagar)?

    ‘Thanthai’ Periyar( E.V.Ramasamy Naicker is a Kannadiga who called Tamil as ‘the language of the barbarians’

    Karunanidhi’s ancestors can be traced to Andhra as also Annadurai’s.

     I had the privilege of being acquainted with late Mr.Parimalam, the adopted son of late C.N.Annadurai and he has told me that his ancestry can be traced to Andhra!

    MGR was of Kerala origin.

    Where is Dravidianism in this?

    To day Brahmins are where they were,going about their work hurting none , not demanding resevations.

    ( It is true that there were exceptions in the treatment meted out to non- Brahmins in Thanjavur belt which is more of a clash between the land lords and the workers and these land Lords were Brahmins and the Brahmin Community is ashamed of them).

    Self Respect?

    You know what they are left with-going to jail for scams,bigamy, murder cases against them,ridicules all around the Country on The Family!

    Other than these aberration,Brahmins have contributed to Tamil and Tamil Culture.

    It will need a separate blog.

    One might refer to ‘Arunthondu Aatriya Andhanargal’

    Anti Sanskrit has no steam as the protagonists do not believe in this.

    Look at their names..Rama Samy Naicker,Karunanidhi!

    Anti North.

    Dont make one laugh.

    Day in and day out you can see these Leaders prostrating at the feet of Noth Indian, be it Sonia Gandhi or Vajpayee.

    Karunaidhi will wait in wheel chair for hours to have a darshan of of Sonia Gandhi.

    These leaders gave up the call for separate Tamil Nadu once they came to know that the Central Government was planning to ban the DMK for Secessionist Activities. 

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-Respect_Movement

    I re4call this MGR song ‘Ethaniai Kaalamthaan eemaatruvaar indha Naatile”

    (how long will these people go on cheating people?)

     

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  • The Aryan Dravidian Myth.-Video.


    1.Arya means ‘pure’,’Blemishless’;it has no racial connotation.
    2.Dravida indicates ‘from South’;those from south of Vindhya and Sathpura ranges are called Dravidians.
    3.Great Agasthya who is mentioned in Puranaas is from South.
    3.Evidence in Mahabharata states that a Chera King Perunchotruudiyan Neduncheralaathan fed both the armies of Kauravas and Pandavas during Mahabharata war and he was reported to have performed Srardha or obsequies for those killed in Mahabharata war.In fact his name is a non de plume ;it means on who fed many stomachs.
    4.Vedas mention Dravida in many places, praising their culture.
    5.Many Gods worshiped in India are purported to be Dark/Black.In fact Krishna means ‘Black’

    6.Children of Viswamitra were banished into exile into Dravidan territory, which those, in those times assumed ‘was populated by aborigines without culture.But they found , instead, a culture,if not superior ,that was equal to them.Hence they adopted the best of Dravidian culture , blended it with those of the North and thus came Apasthamba Sutra which is followed by people of South.Wearing of Thaali or Mangal sutra by women on marriage, is a Dravidian Concept.So is ‘Madisar’ a special way of wearing the saree by women.
    7.Of the Gods mentioned in Vedas,Subramanya, Ganesa,Vishnu,Devi(Kotravai),Indra,Varuna were worshiped in South as well.
    8.Sri Adi Sankara praises Gnana Sambandhar as ‘Dravida Sisu’ or son of South in Soundarya Lahari.
    9.Lord Rama worshiped in Rameswaram.
    There are proofs galore about Indian culture being one.Propaganda by vested interests can not change facts.

  • Jurassic nest in Tamil Nadu,India.

    OIMBATORE: Geologists in Tamil Nadu have stumbled upon a Jurassic treasure trove buried in the sands of a river bed. Sheer luck led them to
    Geologists in Tamil Nadu discover Dinosaur eggs. hundreds of fossilized dinosaur eggs,
    perhaps 65 million years old, underneath a stream in a tiny village in Ariyalur district.-Times of India 1/10/09
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/Indias-Jurassic-nest-dug-up-in-Tamil-Nadu/articleshow/5073985.cms
    Comment:
    South of Vindhyas, a Great civilization flourished, which is perhaps as old ,if not older than civilization that flourished in north of Vindhyas.This civilization was called Dravida, by Vedic people,,Dravida, meaning South.
    Sage Viswamitra, condemned his sons to this area because they objected to him teaching Vedas to a man of lower birth, saying birth does not determine one’s caste.Thase sons reached South; to their astonishment they found a culture equal, if not superior to their own.They were also worshipping Muruga, called Skanda in Veda,Krishna an Maayon,Indra, and Parvati, as Kotravai and most of their customs were every rational.They adopted their culture.Their descendent,Aapasthamba , integrated the best of Vedas and Vedic culture and that of Dravidas and formulated the Apasthamba Sutra, which is practiced more in South India.Interesting to note that mangal Sutra otr Thaali is a concept of Dravidas and not Vedic.Vedic marriages are complete with Panigrahana or handing over the bride symbolically to the groom by handing over the hands of the bride to that of the groom.
    Again, special way of wearing Saree , called madisaar, like Brahmain male wearing a dhoti is a Dravidian Concept.
    Interaction between people of both culture had been excellent.Chera,Chola and Pandya Kings participated in the Mahabharata War.In fact, a king Prunchotru uduyan Nedun Cheralathan performed Tenth day ceremonies of Duryodhana.
    Not surprising to note old fossils are found in Tamil Nadu.We must intensify search in Tamil Nadu to unearth more details of our heritage.