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  • Two Tamil Empires In India Northwest, South India? Missing History

    I have written articles in detail about the Kings of India, as listed in the Puranas and other Sanskrit texts of India.

    Kings List of India by Puranas Vaidated

    I have also listed the Kings List of Tamil from 400 BC 

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    Lord Krishna married a Pandyan Princess and had a daughter whom he married her off to a Pandyan Prince.

    Arjuna married a Pandyan Princess from Manalur Tamil Nadu and had a son.

    Tamil Chera King Perunchotru Udiyan Neduncheralathan fed both Pandava and Kaurava army during the Mahabharata Battle..

    Sahadeva and Balarama  were on a Pilgrimage to South and Balarama worshiped Lord Subrahmanya in Tamil Nadu.

    Parashurama established the present Kerala.

    One issue intrigued me.

    We had the Mahabharata War, there was a deluge later and Dwaraka was submerged.

    Sage Agastya took families from Dwaraka and had them settled in what is now Karnataka and those who had settled in Tamil Nadu were called ‘Velirs’ and they had small Kingdoms in places like what is now called Krishnagiri and Dharmapuri.They took sides between the Cheras, Cholas and Pandyas depending on the exigencies.

    Kanndigas from Yadava Tribe

    This would imply, at the time of the Tsunami which devoured Dwaraka, these people were moved by Agastya to South.

    The same Tsunami, called as ‘kadalkol’ in Tamil devoured the South as well.

    This Tsunami, incidentally is the third to strike the South, according to Tamil Literature and this is validated by foreign Flood legends and archaeology..

    Now the issue is if people were moved from Dwaraka and settled in Tamil Nadu, it should have been after the Tsunami died down.

    Then what happened to the Tamils living in the south during the period just before the Tsunami?

    Where did they go?

    The references to Tamil kings are found in the Ramayana which mention them as belonging to earlier period than Rama.

    To be specific Tamil Kings were present in Damayanti Swayamvara.

    There is Nala Theertha, a sacred pond where people take bath to be rid of Saturn, Shani’s influence, like Sade Saathi,seven and a half years.

    The pond is in Thirunallar, Pondicherry and is famous for Shani temple.

    Shiva worship preceded  in south even  before Vedic Period.

    While Subrahmanya and  Shiva merit only a limited mention in the Vedas, they are the principle Deities in the Dravida Desa.

    And there was a Tamil Kingdom, Elamite, now the term has become corrupted to be Elam.

    The Elamite people lived around the present Iran and spoke a Language which has been traced to Tamil.

    And some tribes in Iran speak this language which resembles Tamil even today!

    The Tamils were referred to as Dramila in Vedic texts.

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    The Mediterranean Peoples (Dravidians)

    (Extracts from ‘The Original Indians — An Enquiry’ by Dr. A. Desai)

    How the Mediterranean people came to be called Dravidians makes interesting story. The Pre-Hellenistic Lycians of Asi Minor, who where probably the Mediterranean stock called themselves Trimmili. Another tribe of this branch in the island of Crete was known by the name Dr(a)mil or Dr(a)miz. In ancient Sanskrit writings we find the terms Dramili and Dravidi, and then Dravida which referred to the southern portion of India.

    South India was known to the ancient Greek and Roman geographers as Damirica or Limurike. Periplus Maris Erithroei (Periplus of the Eritrean Sea) in the second or third century AD described the maritime route followed by Greek ships sailing to the South Indian ports: “Then follow Naoura and Tundis, the first marts of Limurike and after these Mouziris and Nelkunda, the seats of government.â€

    Dramila, Dravida and Damirica indicated the territory. Then it was applied to the people living in the territory and the language they spoke, in the local parlance Tamil and Tamil Nadu or Tamilakam.’ https://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2009/04/06/dravidian-history-no-one-talks-about/

    Later texts speak of them as Dravida?

    Sibi ruled from Pakistan

    Not to forget the fact that Vaivaswatha Manu , ancestor of Rama lived in the south and moved to Ayodhya after the Tsunami.Please read my article   on this.

    Is there a subtle message here?

    Yes,

    This accounts for the missing chapters in Tamil and  Bharatvarsha History and this would reconcile the seeming inconsistencies in Indian History.

    Detailed article follows

     

  • Name Rama Gave Rama Sethu

    The Rama Sethu , Adams Bridge in India was called  by the Lankans as ‘Aadhaam Bridge’ because their first Islamic leader traveled over this bridge by foot from India and thus this bridge has a holy connotation for them.

    But westerners saw the affinity of the Name to Adam and renamed it as Adams Bridge.

    But the name given by Rama to this Bridge is Nala Bridge.

    Nala was a vanara of Sugreeva’s army and he was the one who designed it.

    (I recall Kaunanidhi asking whether Rama was an Engineer, where he took His degree and was He an Engineer?

    Yellow Shawl !

    This is the answer.)

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    Rama Sethu, Image by NASA

     

    “The Ramayana narrates that Sita – the wife of Rama, prince of Ayodhya and avatar of the god Vishnu- was kidnapped by Ravana, the rakshasa (demon) king of Lanka. Rama aided by an army of vanaras (monkeys) reached the end of land and wanted to cross over to Lanka. Rama worships the god of the ocean, Varuna and requests him to make way. When Varuna does not appear before Rama, Rama starts shooting various weapons at the sea, which starts drying up. A terrified Varuna pleads to Rama. Though he refuses to give way, he gives Rama a solution. He tells Rama that Nala, the son of Vishwakarma – the architect of the gods, is amongst his vanara army; Nala has the necessary expertise of an architect, owing to a boon from his divine father. Varuna suggests that Rama construct a bridge across the ocean to Lanka, under the supervision of Nala. Nala volunteers for the task and also comments that the arrogance of the Ocean (Varuna) was tamed by Rama with a threat when love had failed. The vanaras fell mighty trees, and collect logs of wood and giant boulders and cast them in the sea. With the help of the vanara army, Nala completes the 80 miles (130 km) (tenyojana) bridge in just five days. Rama and his army pass over it and reach Lanka, where they prepare to fight Ravana..

    Commentaries on the Ramayana elaborate the event. Nala is said to have been born when Vishwakarma embraced Nala’s vanara mother and has an ejaculation. While some commentaries say that other monkeys merely collect the building material, Nala is the one who constructs the bridge; others says that the monkeys build the bridge under his directions.The Kamba Ramayana also solely credits Nala as the architect and builder of the bridge, the Ramacharitamanasa credits Nala and his brother Nila for the creation.

    In some versions, Nala is said to have the power to make stones float and, thus, easily makes the sea-bridge.[3] In other versions, another vanara called Nila is also said to have this power and both Nala and Nila are described as builders of the bridge. The tale justifying this power states that in their youth, these monkeys were very mischievous and used to throw the murtis (holy images) worshipped by the sages in the water. As a remedy, the sages decreed that any stone thrown by them in water will not drown, thus saving the murtis. Another tale narrates as assured by Varuna, the stones dropped by Nala and Nila float, but they drift in the sea and do not form a continuous structure, Hanuman, Rama’s devotee and monkey lieutenant suggests that the name of Rama be written, so they stick together; the remedy worked.

    Citation.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nala_%28Ramayana%29

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  • Lord Rama’s Death Precedes Krishna’s By 200 Years!

    Interesting observation ,I found, in ancient voice.

    Yugas of Hindus.
    The concept of Time, Yugas

    All of us know that the Ramayana took place in Treta Yuga while Lord Krishna lived in the Dwapara Yuga, which was after 8.64,000 years after Treta Yuga .

    Yet cross indexing the various Purans and the Astrological data supported by actual Astronomical phenomena like Rama‘s Birth chart,Eclipses during Ramayana and Mahabharata  forces one to the conclusion that Lord Rama’s Death preceded Lord Krishna’s  only by 200 years.

    Time, Hinduism's Concept.
    Time Scale, Hinduism

    This, I think, is not a contradiction .

    The reason is that for the Hindus the Time is Cyclic , not linear.(read my post on this under Astrophysics)

    That Time is Cyclic is being proved to-day by Astrophysics and Quantum Theory.(refer my posts under Astrophysics).

    To put it simply events, Ramayana and Mahabharata not excluded happened , happen and will happen all at the same time,albeit at different planes of existence(read my posts under Science, Astrophysics,Hinduism- Multiverses).

    Science is veering down to this view now.

    And Astronomical events keep recurring at fixed time scales.

    Therefore, this seeming contradiction in the Dates of Ramayana and Mahabharata.

    Check out at the Link provided.

    1. Interestingly enough, the death of Rama precedes the death of Krishna by 200 years, if we consider that Rama died at the age of 70 and Krishna at the age of 80. Not a normal age of death, if we consider that many ancient men like Bhishma (lived close to 95 to 105 years) and Vyasa (lived around 120 years) were long lived. This 200 years is also the duration of the Dwapara Yuga.
    2. Arjuna‘s grandfather’s grandfather viz. Pratipa was 20 years old when Rama died.
    3. Nala lived in Kali Yuga and was a contemporary of Arjuna‘s grandson’s great-grandson Aswamedhadatta.
    4. Kalmashapada (Saudasa) was a contemporary of Rama’s sons Lava and Kusha.
    5. Anaranya was a contemporary of Rama’s grandfather Aja
    6. Hiranya Kasipu and the first Indra were contemporaries.
    7. Prahlada and Vaivaswata Manu were contemporaries.
    8. Pururavas and the great Daitya king Mahabali were contemporaries.
    9. Vitahavya and Divodasa of the Ikshwaku line and Bharata of Puru line were contemporaries. They ruled along with Avikshit whose birth marks the beginning of Treta Yuga.
    10. Pratarddana of Ikshwaku line and Bhumanyu of Bharata line were contemporaries
    11. Sagara of Ikshwaku line and Suhotra of Bharata line were contemporaries
    12. Dilipa of Ikshwaku line and Hasti of Bharata’s line who founded the city of Hastinapura were contemporaries
    13. Ikshwaku king Raghu and Bhagiratha were contemporaries.
    14. Tapati, the wife of Samvarana (of Bharata line) probably married the daughter of an Ikshwaku king (described as Surya) in the south who was a contemporary of Raghu ruling at Ayodhya. Samvarana’s son was the famous Kuru the founder of Kuru dynasty.
    15. The Ikshwaku kings Aja and Muchukunda were contemporaries
    16. King Kuru who established his rule at Kurukshetra was a contemporary of Rama’s grandfather Aja
    17. The Kurukshetra war hero Vrihadvala and his father Suvala, brother Sakuni and sister Gandhari were all descendants of Rama’s brother Bharata.
    18. Rituparna, the friend of Nala was a descendant of Rama or his brothers
    19. Nala (and his brother Pushkara) was a descendant of Krishna
    20. Kali was a descendant of Sakuni
    21. Karkotaka the enemy-turned-friend of Nala was a descendant of Takshaka who killed Arjuna’s grandson Parikshit
    22. Vaisampayana narrated ‘Bharata’ to Janamejaya 75 years after Sanjaya narrated ‘Jaya’ to Dhritarashtra.
    23. Ugrasrava Sauti narrated Mahabharata to Saunaka, 55 years after Vaisampayana narrated ‘Bharata’ to Janamejaya
    24. The crucial formative period of Mahabharata was thus 130 years. It grew even after that with additions to Santi Parva, Anusasana Parva and Vana Parva and also with minor modifications and additions to other Parvas as well.
    25. The same Valmiki, who was an elder contemporary of Rama authored the first two versions of Ramayana. The first version was completed soon after Rama returned to Ayodhya after killing Ravana. The second version was created after Sita was banished from Ayodhya and reached Valmiki’s hermitage. The third version was created after the death of Rama, probably by some descendant of the original Valmiki. Ramayana underwent several modifications which continued even after Mahabharata grew into Sauti-Saunaka dialog.
    26. Source: http://ancientvoice.wikidot.com/article:thousand-year-long-chatur-yuga#toc9

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