Tag: Date of Agasthya

  • Shiva Tamil Sangam Dates Verified Star Canopus

    It is human nature to dismiss as fantasy or sheer non sense when one can not understand an event.

    I may point out until the late 80’s people would have been horrified and would have called you mad if you told them that you could see and talk to people with a small handheld device!

    I recall, in the early 60’s, that I used to gape at a medium-sized box(later I came to know it was called a Transistor) which was emitting songs and remember looking for some wire that should have been there!

    Now all these are found to be true and in the latter case we have even forgotten it!

    This shows that it is only our inability to grasp things and it is not fantasy when some thing is thought of by the Human Mind.

    I am a believer, this is not a sinful word at all, in the fact that what the Human Mind can conceive it can execute or had already executed by some one.

    That’s why one does not find a word in Sanskrit describing things as Supra Normal or a Miracle,.

    The closest word one finds, in such circumstances, is strange,”Aascharyam’ or Indescribable, ‘Avaktavya’.

    When one looks at Indian History and Puranas with the blinker that only the present civilization is the most advanced in the History of Mankind and the whatever is said of the ancient times, is sheer non sense and pure fantasy.

    Star Canopus  image.jpg
    Star Canopus.
    Sage Agastya..image.jpg
    Sage Agastya.

    Not so.

    When one talks of the aeons , yugas in Hinduism running into thousands or even lakhs of years, or events which talk of highly developed scientific thoughts in those periods, one passes the remark  ‘pure fantasy”

    Not at all.

    One such instance is the description of the Tamil Sangams found in Tamil literature and in Sanskrit texts.

    texts mention that Lord Krishna attended the Tamil Sangam as a Guest!

    I have written article on this.

    Because of our inability to understand we dismiss the Sangam period as a figment of imagination and the number of years it lasted , the number of Kings who patronised.

    The Sangam period is assigned between 400 BC to 500 AD, that too the the Third and Last Sangam.

    The earlier two Sangams are dismissed as legends!

     

    Lets look what these ‘Legends’ say .

    1st sangam:
    The first Sangam was head-quartered in a city named Then-madurai (Southern Madurai). It was patronised by a succession of eighty-nine kings and survived for an unbroken period of 4,400 years during which time it approved an immense collection of poems and literature. At the end of that golden age the First Sangam was destroyed when a deluge arose and the entire city was swallowed by the sea along with large parts of the land area of Kumari Kandam. However, the survivors, saving some of the books, were able to relocate further north to the Srilankan side.

    2nd sangam:
    They established a Second Sangam in a city called Kavatapuram which lasted 3,700 years. The same fate befell this city as well when it too was swallowed by the sea and lost forever all its works with the sole exception of the Tolkappiyam, a work on Tamil grammar. Following the inundation of Kavatapuram, the survivors once again relocated northward in a city identified with modern Madurai in Tamilnadu, then known as Vada-madurai (Northern Madurai).

    3rd sangam:
    The Third Sangam lasted for a period of 1850 years’

    These numbers seem to imaginary from our stand point.

    How wrong this is and the Proof that they were facts.

    I have earlier written an article that the Star Canopus, called Agastya proves the date of Sanatana Dharma by cross referencing Agastya’s visit to the South and another one dealing how the earth’s Axial Tilt is proved by Canopus and Agastya.

    Based on thi,s date of Agastya can be fixed around 4000 BC.

     

    1. Agastya, is the author of 25 hymns (nos 166 to 190) of the first ‘mandala’ of the Rigveda.
    2. Canopus, the second brightest star in the night sky, is called Agastya in India.
    3. This star is close to the ecliptic south pole, having an ecliptic latitude of –76°.
    4. As the celestial poles go round the ecliptic poles due to the phenomenon of precession of the earth’s axis of rotation, this star becomes visible from different latitudes on the globe at different times. If we assume that for a star to be visible at a place its altitude at the meridian passage should be at least 5°, then calculations give the visibility curve for Agastya (Canopus) as follows.
    5. Agastya was not visible from any part of India before 10,000 BC.
    6. First it became visible at Kanyakumari around that epoch. Thereafter, as it was brought more and more northwards by precession, it became visible at various places in India.
    7. It became visible in the east coast (in the present Chennai region) in 8500 BC, and in the present day Hyderabad in 7200 BC, in the Vindhya region in 5200 BC, at Delhi in 3100 BC.
    8. At present it is visible from most parts of India for longer or shorter durations. This cycle will repeat after every 25,765 years. It is thus clear that around 5000 BC, the star Agastya was visible from the south of the Vindhyas, but not from the north of it.
    9. If sage Agastya was the first to cross the Vindhyas from the north, he would have been the first northerner to see the star. Hence the star has been named after him, just as the Magellanic clouds in the southern sky are named after the navigator Magellan, who first saw them as he sailed southwards.
    10. This fixes an epoch of 5000 BC for sage Agastya. This date is based on the assumption that for a star to be visible its meridian altitude has to be at least 5°.
    11. If we make 8° meridian altitude as the criterion for visibility, the date of Agastya would be shifted to about 4000 BC. The dates 5000 and 4000 BC should therefore bracket the probable epoch of Agastya crossing the Vindhyan mountains.

    Sangams 1, 2 and 3  were patronized by 89, 59 and 49 Pandyan kings respectively.

    The first Sangam was supposed to have been started by Agastya under instruction by Lord Shiva.

    This was before Shiva left with Ganesha through the middle east to Arctic because of a Tsunami when Satyavrata Manu , the ancestor of Lord Rama left for Ayodhya.

    The last Sangam ended sometime at the beginning of the Christian era.

    197 kings ruled  between these two dates.

    If we assume a span of 20 years for each king on an average, we get a total period of about 4000 years, which would place Agastya’s epoch around 4000 BC, in agreement with the astronomical dating.

    Thus Canopus verifies the Sangam and the Sangams stand by Canopus or Agastya.

     

    Additional proof for the antiquity of Tamil and Agastya, Shiva please read my post on Poompuhaar where the artifact has been dated 17000 years back.

    Citation and Reference.

     

    http://cosmoquest.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-90134.html

  • Agastya Canopus Validates Sanatan Dharma Tamil Dates

    Sage Agasthya is mentioned in the Rig Veda : in fact he authored hymns 166-190.

     

    He is also mentioned in Tamil Literature, Sangam as well as later works in Tamil.

     

    Star Canopus, Agasthya.jpg
    Star Canopus, Agasthya.

     

    He is credited with the firs grammar book in Tamil,Agathiyam, which was followed by Tholkappiyar later by about 300 years(there is some discussion on this).

     

    The Agastya mentioned in Tamil has been dated somewhere around 3000-5000 BC.

     

    On the other hand, the Agasthya mentioned in the Vedas, Puranas ,Ramayana and Mahabharata is dated earlier.

     

    Agasthya was the one who taught the Adhitya Hrudaya stotra to Lord Rama in the battle field .

     

    Mahabharata recounts the story of Agasthya, Ilvala and Vatapi:Vatapi was swallowed by Agasthya.

     

    Tamil literature says that he was entrusted with the task of spreading Tamil by Lord Shiva who is believed  to have founded Tamil and Shiva was the Chief of the First Tamil Conclave at Then Madurai, which was swallowed by a Tsunami.

     

    This event concurs more with the Times of Ramayana than with the Mahabharata.

     

    Even then this can not account for Agasthya being mentioned in the Rig Veda.

     

    Though earlier studies have indicated that the Rig Veda was composed around 5000 BC, latest researches say that it was composed much earlier, some 25000 years earlier.Please read y post on this.

     

    There are indications that the Rig Veda might have been composed in the Arctic.

     

    I have an article on this.

     

    So we have a confusion.

     

    What is the date of Agasthya?

     

    5000 BC or 25000 BC?

     

    There is also a view that there were more than one Agastya.

     

    Comparison of works in Tamil by Agastya nail this lie perpetrated by the West to misinform the world about the antiquity of Sanatana Dharma and Tamil.

     

    There was only one Agastya. who composed the Rig Vedic Hymns and Tamil Classic Agathiyam.

     

    How does one reconcile this anomaly in dates?

     

    By Astronomy.

     

    Legend of Agasthya states that as he was traveling from the North towards the South, he had to cross the Vindhya Mountains, which was growing quite tall to compete with the Himalayas and it was feared that it would affect the Skyline(Heavens).

     

    The Devas represented this to Agasthya who was the Guru, Teacher of Vindhyas.

     

    So when Agasthya crossed the Vindhyas,it prostrated before Agasthya as a mark of respect and Agastya told the mountain to remain in that position to enable him to cross and recross.

     

    Agasthya crossed over to the south and did not return to the North by Land.

     

    And the Vindhyas remained prostrated.

     

    ( Sage Agasthya traveled to the North from the South by the Sea)  .

     

    There is a Star called Agasthya in Hinduism and it is referred as having been sighted by Agastya; in fact it is named as Agasthya.

     

    It is the Star Canopus.

     

    it is possible to
    find the epoch
    of Agastya’s crossing the Vindhyas.
    Here we have a clue that Canopus, the
    second brightest star in the night sky, is
    called Agastya in India. This star is close
    to the ecliptic south pole, having an
    ecliptic latitude of–76°. As the celestial
    poles go round the cliptic poles due to the
    phenomenon of precession of the earth’s
    axis of rotation, this star becomes visible
    from different latitudes on the globe at
    different times. If we assume that for a
    star to be visible at a place its altitude at
    the meridian passage should be at least5°
    , then calculations give the visibility
    curve for Agastya (Canopus), as shown
    in Figure 1 for the various epochs from
    12,000 BC to AD 12,000. We see e
    after, as it was brought more and
    more northwards by precession, it became visible at various places in India, as
    shown in Figure 1. It became visible in the east coast (in the present
    Chennai region) in 8500 BC
    , and in the present day
    Hyderabad in 7200 BC
    , in the Vindhya region in 5200 BC at Delhi in 3100 BC.
    At present it is visible from most
    parts of India for longer or shorter durations. This cycle will repeat after every
    25,725 years.
    If sage Agastya was the first to cross
    the Vindhyas from the north, he would
    have been the first northerner to see the
    star. Hence the star has been named after
    him, just as the Magellanic clouds in the
    southern sky are named after the navigator Magellan,
    who first saw them as he
    sailed southwards.
    This fixes an epoch of 5000 BC
    for sage Agastya. This date is
    based on the assumption that for a star to
    be visible its meridian altitude has to be at least 5°
    . If we make 8°meridian altitude as the criterion for visibility,
    the date of Agastya would be shifted to about
    4000 BC.
    The dates 5000 and 4000 BC
    should therefore bracket the probable epoch
    of Agastya crossing the Vindhyan mountains.’
    Consider these facts.
    1.Some RigVeda Hymns were composed by Agasthya, which has been dated around 27000 earlier.
    2.Agasthya is mentioned in The Ramayana, which quotes the Vedas.
    Ramayana took place in the  Treta Yuga.
    3.Agasthya legend is narrated in the Mahabharata, which took place in the Dwapara Yuga, which is sepaated fro Treta Yuga by thousands of years.
    4.Tamil Classics quote Vedas, Vedas quote Tamil,Tamil is reported to have been founded by Agasthya and he had written the Tamil Classic Agathiyam.
    5.Tamil dates back to over 25000 years according to latest archeological findings.
    Please read my post on this filed under Hinduism,Tamils.
    6.Star Canopus is visible once in 25, 725 Years.
    Therefore, the Star should have been visible once in 25725 years as Celestial objects follow a regular cycle.
    Canopus is mentioned in the Ramayana, Mahabharata and Tamil Literature
    And Agasthya is one person.
    He should have existed at some point of time every 25725 years, at least once.
    The Time scale of Hindus is four Yugas.
    Four Yugas of Hinduism.png
    Four Yugas of Hinduism

    One Canopus sighting per 25, 000 years .

     

    Each Yuga should have had as many Sightings of Canopus as there are/were 250000 Years.

     

    Conjoin this with Cyclic Theory of Time according to Hinduism which is now being accepted as a reasonable estimate of Time scale.

     

    Please read y post on the Cyclic theory of Time, under Astrophysics.

     

    We arrive at the conclusions.

     

    1.Agasthya existed in Ramayana, Purana ,Mahabharata and Times.

     

    He also existed at the time quoted by Tamil Classics.

     

    2.This validates that Tamil and Sanatana Dharma were interlinked.

     

    3.That Time is Cyclic and the events occur in Cycles.

     

    4.Tamil Language is as old as Sanskrit.

     

    5..Agasthya existed around 5000 BC and around 25725 years before that.

     

    Citation. Check for Images , calculations.