Tag: Date of Tamil Sangam

  • Shiva Tamil Sangam Dates Verified Star Canopus

    It is human nature to dismiss as fantasy or sheer non sense when one can not understand an event.

    I may point out until the late 80’s people would have been horrified and would have called you mad if you told them that you could see and talk to people with a small handheld device!

    I recall, in the early 60’s, that I used to gape at a medium-sized box(later I came to know it was called a Transistor) which was emitting songs and remember looking for some wire that should have been there!

    Now all these are found to be true and in the latter case we have even forgotten it!

    This shows that it is only our inability to grasp things and it is not fantasy when some thing is thought of by the Human Mind.

    I am a believer, this is not a sinful word at all, in the fact that what the Human Mind can conceive it can execute or had already executed by some one.

    That’s why one does not find a word in Sanskrit describing things as Supra Normal or a Miracle,.

    The closest word one finds, in such circumstances, is strange,”Aascharyam’ or Indescribable, ‘Avaktavya’.

    When one looks at Indian History and Puranas with the blinker that only the present civilization is the most advanced in the History of Mankind and the whatever is said of the ancient times, is sheer non sense and pure fantasy.

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    Star Canopus.
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    Sage Agastya.

    Not so.

    When one talks of the aeons , yugas in Hinduism running into thousands or even lakhs of years, or events which talk of highly developed scientific thoughts in those periods, one passes the remark  ‘pure fantasy”

    Not at all.

    One such instance is the description of the Tamil Sangams found in Tamil literature and in Sanskrit texts.

    texts mention that Lord Krishna attended the Tamil Sangam as a Guest!

    I have written article on this.

    Because of our inability to understand we dismiss the Sangam period as a figment of imagination and the number of years it lasted , the number of Kings who patronised.

    The Sangam period is assigned between 400 BC to 500 AD, that too the the Third and Last Sangam.

    The earlier two Sangams are dismissed as legends!

     

    Lets look what these ‘Legends’ say .

    1st sangam:
    The first Sangam was head-quartered in a city named Then-madurai (Southern Madurai). It was patronised by a succession of eighty-nine kings and survived for an unbroken period of 4,400 years during which time it approved an immense collection of poems and literature. At the end of that golden age the First Sangam was destroyed when a deluge arose and the entire city was swallowed by the sea along with large parts of the land area of Kumari Kandam. However, the survivors, saving some of the books, were able to relocate further north to the Srilankan side.

    2nd sangam:
    They established a Second Sangam in a city called Kavatapuram which lasted 3,700 years. The same fate befell this city as well when it too was swallowed by the sea and lost forever all its works with the sole exception of the Tolkappiyam, a work on Tamil grammar. Following the inundation of Kavatapuram, the survivors once again relocated northward in a city identified with modern Madurai in Tamilnadu, then known as Vada-madurai (Northern Madurai).

    3rd sangam:
    The Third Sangam lasted for a period of 1850 years’

    These numbers seem to imaginary from our stand point.

    How wrong this is and the Proof that they were facts.

    I have earlier written an article that the Star Canopus, called Agastya proves the date of Sanatana Dharma by cross referencing Agastya’s visit to the South and another one dealing how the earth’s Axial Tilt is proved by Canopus and Agastya.

    Based on thi,s date of Agastya can be fixed around 4000 BC.

     

    1. Agastya, is the author of 25 hymns (nos 166 to 190) of the first ‘mandala’ of the Rigveda.
    2. Canopus, the second brightest star in the night sky, is called Agastya in India.
    3. This star is close to the ecliptic south pole, having an ecliptic latitude of –76°.
    4. As the celestial poles go round the ecliptic poles due to the phenomenon of precession of the earth’s axis of rotation, this star becomes visible from different latitudes on the globe at different times. If we assume that for a star to be visible at a place its altitude at the meridian passage should be at least 5°, then calculations give the visibility curve for Agastya (Canopus) as follows.
    5. Agastya was not visible from any part of India before 10,000 BC.
    6. First it became visible at Kanyakumari around that epoch. Thereafter, as it was brought more and more northwards by precession, it became visible at various places in India.
    7. It became visible in the east coast (in the present Chennai region) in 8500 BC, and in the present day Hyderabad in 7200 BC, in the Vindhya region in 5200 BC, at Delhi in 3100 BC.
    8. At present it is visible from most parts of India for longer or shorter durations. This cycle will repeat after every 25,765 years. It is thus clear that around 5000 BC, the star Agastya was visible from the south of the Vindhyas, but not from the north of it.
    9. If sage Agastya was the first to cross the Vindhyas from the north, he would have been the first northerner to see the star. Hence the star has been named after him, just as the Magellanic clouds in the southern sky are named after the navigator Magellan, who first saw them as he sailed southwards.
    10. This fixes an epoch of 5000 BC for sage Agastya. This date is based on the assumption that for a star to be visible its meridian altitude has to be at least 5°.
    11. If we make 8° meridian altitude as the criterion for visibility, the date of Agastya would be shifted to about 4000 BC. The dates 5000 and 4000 BC should therefore bracket the probable epoch of Agastya crossing the Vindhyan mountains.

    Sangams 1, 2 and 3  were patronized by 89, 59 and 49 Pandyan kings respectively.

    The first Sangam was supposed to have been started by Agastya under instruction by Lord Shiva.

    This was before Shiva left with Ganesha through the middle east to Arctic because of a Tsunami when Satyavrata Manu , the ancestor of Lord Rama left for Ayodhya.

    The last Sangam ended sometime at the beginning of the Christian era.

    197 kings ruled  between these two dates.

    If we assume a span of 20 years for each king on an average, we get a total period of about 4000 years, which would place Agastya’s epoch around 4000 BC, in agreement with the astronomical dating.

    Thus Canopus verifies the Sangam and the Sangams stand by Canopus or Agastya.

     

    Additional proof for the antiquity of Tamil and Agastya, Shiva please read my post on Poompuhaar where the artifact has been dated 17000 years back.

    Citation and Reference.

     

    http://cosmoquest.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-90134.html

  • Indian Tsunami Tamil Sangam Dates Astronomy Verified

    Indian Tsunami Tamil Sangam Dates Astronomy Verified

    The first literature of Tamil, Agathiyam was composed by Sage Agasthya who also composed thr Rig Vedic Hymns 166 to 190.

     

    He is credited with the formal founding of the Tamil Language, which was handed over to him by Lord Shiva and Lord Subrahmanya.

     

    Poets Conclaves were held periodically.

     

    Leuria Map.jpg
    Map of Lemuria, based on Tamil Classics

     

    There were three such Conclaves,the first one was presided over by Lord Shiva at Then Madurai.( South Madurai, the present Tail Nadu city of Madurai was called Vada Madurai, North Madurai, where the last conclave of the Poets were held)

     

    First Tamil Sangam9 First Conclave) was held at Then Madurai.

     

    After a Tsunami, KadalKol, devoured the lands, the second Tamil Sangam was held at KavataPura, which was located south of Lanka(?).

     

    It formed a part  of the sunken continent Lemuria.

     

    Please read my posts on Lemuria.

     

    ( Is Lemuria/Kumari Kandam the same as Atlantis?, Post follows.)

     

    The second Sangam area was also submerged by a Tsunami and the third conclave was held at the present Madurai, Tamil Nadu.

     

    Then we have the Tholkappiyam which follows Agathiya for Tamil works.

     

    It is the oldest surviving Literature in Tamil.

     

    To arrive at the dates of Tamil Sangams and the Tsunami(2) I am using the Astronomical Data mentioned in Sanskrit works,Puranas, Ramayana, Mahabharata and Tamil Classics, Silappadikaram and Manimekalai.

     

    Agasthya’s date has been proved to be 5000 BC.

     

    Please read my post on Agasthya Canopus validates Sanatana Dharma Tamil date.

     

    Now taking into account the period of each Tamil Sangam, I have reworked their dates from Agasthya’s date.

     

    The first conclave of Tamil poets took place during the Tamil Sangam which lasted 4400 years, and had 549 members,

     

    The second conclave lasted for 3700 years and had 59 members, with 3700 poets participating.

     

    The third Sangam lasted for 1850 years.

     

    Agastya 5000 BC

     

    First Sangam-5000 -4400= 600 BC

     

    Second Sangam-600-3700=3100 AD.

     

    * For a language to develop and to attain highly complex Grammar and Classical Literature the language should have evolved at least 1000 years earlier.

    ** These dates agree with the dates of Ramayana.

    So Tamil language should have been used at least by 4000BC

     

    Date of the Tsunamis, Kadalkol

     

    The First.

     

    Around 5000 BC

     

    The second Tsunami,

     

    Around 5 BC.

     

    This is based on the Astronomical event of Canopus being visible when Agasthya traveled to South, crossing the Vindhya mountain.

     

    This Time scale applies for the present Aeon, Kaliyuga.

     

    Citation.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_Sangams#Sangam_literature