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  • Which Is Older Kannada Or Tamil

    When one tries to trace the real history of India, one has to tread carefully and doubly careful in the use of terms about the various ancient Kingdoms and languages of India.

    Unlike the other countries of the world our history goes back to Millions of years.

    Sathavahanas Dynasty.jpg Sathavahana Dynasty LLocation. Image credit. “SatavahanaMap”. Licensed under Public Domain via Commons – https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SatavahanaMap.jpg#/media/File:SatavahanaMap.jpg

    While unravelling them,based on Archeology, references in the Indian Epics,Puranas and Indian literature, one finds it nearly impossible to determine which preced the other, say for instance Tami or Kannada.

    I have, in my article, Karnataka 2 Million years Old Rama’s Brother in law in Karnataka, I had inadvertently slipped a word that,

    ‘before the advent of the Sathavahanas, Karnataka was ruled by North Indian Kings and Tamil Kings”

    I received a comment,, which I am reproducing below.

    “Well Mr. Ramanan, with due regards to your article, there is no history to suggest that Karnataka was ruled by Tamil rulers, before Satavahanas. Although the two languages owe a lot to Brahmi script and according to latest findings, Kannada speaking population was widely spread in south, central, and deccan India. Professor Iravatham mahadevan’s recent findings show that Tamil borrowed from old Kannada and not the other way round.
    The impact of kingdoms of Karnataka origin have been felt over other parts of India also. The Chindaka Nagas of central India, Gangas of Kalinga (Odisha),[1] Rashtrakutas of Manyakheta,[2] Chalukyas of Vengi,[3] Yadava Dynasty of Devagiri were all of Kannada origin[4] who later took to encouraging local languages. The Senas of Bengal, the Solankis of Gujarat etc.’

    In such a situation, I should have simple left saying nothing at all.

    For the atmosphere in India has been so vitiated on the basis of langauge and territories that even a slight mention, raises one’s hackles.

    The Divide and Rule Policy started by the British about 300 years ago still lingers , currently being fueled by the politicians who have no idea of our Past History and our traditions.

    Having written about the early histories of Tamil in detail and a couple of Posts on the antiquity of Kannada,I would like to tread carefully, though evidence is available on these subjects.

    When I take up the ancient history of the other areas, bengal, Maharashtra, Gujarat, Central India, there might me surprises in store.

    I will be refrained in my choice of description as my site might be used to wrangle over which langauge or Kings were  more ancient.

    The purpose of my Blog is to bring out the history and achievements of Sanatana Dharma, which has been distorted and misinformation had been spread about it.

    By writing on the subjects I have mentioned here, I might be sidetracked.

    One thing is certain.

    We have a hoary past with Sanskrit and Sanatana Dharma as the Pillars.

    Other languages like Tamil, Kannada have a hand in it, not to forget Telugu,the Godavari Valley has a rich ,ancient History.

    While much evidence has been found on Tamil, about its antiquity relatively it is less in the other languages.

    Another point is that the Tamil Kingdom was located in Lemuria.

    They seem to have developed a culture on their own, they were also followers of Sanatana Dharma.

    History of Karanataka and Tamil are gleaned only from respective literaray works of these languages.

    For Karnataka, the past before Chandra Gupta Maurya is hazy, while Tamil has literary references in the form of Sangam literature.

    Karnataka was not called as such, thanks to linguistic division of states, and it was under the Mauryan Empire.

    And Chanra Gupra Mauraya breathed his last near Sravanabelagola in 230 BC.

    However after the death of Chandra Gupta, Karnataka resisted the Mauryan domination.

    The Tamils were allies of Chandra Gupta .

    The Sathavahanas , the first recorded Dynasty,rose after Chandra Gupta.

    Interesting point is that the Sathavahanas were ruling from Amravathi, , AP, now Capital of Andhra!

    ‘The Sātavāhana Empire was an Indian dynasty based from Dharanikota and Amaravati in Andhra Pradesh as well as Junnar(Pune) and Prathisthan (Paithan) in Maharashtra.The territory of the empire covered much of India from 230 BCE onward. Although there is some controversy about when the dynasty came to an end, the most liberal estimates suggest that it lasted about 450 years, until around 220 CE. The Satavahanas are credited for establishing peace in the country, resisting the onslaught of foreigners after the decline of the Mauryan Empire.’

    The Sātavāhanas were vassals to the Mauryan dynasty until the decline of the latter. They are known for their patronage ofHinduism. The Sātavāhanas were early issuers of Indian state coinage struck with images of their rulers. They formed a cultural bridge and played a vital role in trade and the transfer of ideas and culture to and from the Indo-Gangetic Plain to the southern tip of India.

    They had to compete with the Shungas and then the Kanvas of Magadha to establish their rule. Later, they played a crucial role to protect a huge part of India against foreign invaders like the Sakas, Yavanas and Pahlavas. In particular their struggles with theWestern Kshatrapas went on for a long time. The great rulers of the Satavahana Dynasty Gautamiputra Satakarni and Sri Yajna Sātakarni were able to defeat the foreign invaders like the Western Kshatrapas and stop their expansion. In the 3rd century CE the empire was split into smaller states. According to ancient Sangam literature the Satavahana rulers were allied with the Tamilrulers of the Chera dynasty, Chola dynasty and Pandyan Dynasty to defeat the foreign invaders like the Scythians…

    ‘The name Karnataka is derived from “Karunadu” which means Loftyland (High plateau), derived from the community’s location on the Deccan Plain. The name can also mean “Land of black soil” (Kari – Black; Nadu – Area or Region) in Kannada. The history of Karnataka goes back to epics “Ramayana” and “Mahabharatha”. The capital of “vaali” and “Sugriva” of the epic, Ramayana, is said to be Hampi. Karnataka finds its mention in Mahabharatha in the form of “Karnata Desha”. In olden times the region was also called “Kuntala Rajya”.[1] Karnataka was also part of the Dakshinapatha (southern region) which finds its mention in many Indian epics. Vatapi, associated with sage Agastya is obviously Badami in Bijapur district.[2] Karnataka is situated on the western edge of theDeccan plateau and has for its neighbours Maharashtra and Goa on the north, Andhra Pradesh on east, Tamil Nadu and Kerala on the south. On the west it opens out on the Arabian sea.’

    In the case of Tamils, Tamil Kings were referred to during the Damayanthi Swayamvara, Sita and Draupadi Swayamvara apart from the fact that Lord Krishna married  Pandyan Princess, had a daughter Pandiah, Parashuarama, Arjuna and Sahadeva had been visiting Tamil areas.

    Lord Krishna was an attendee to the Tamil Sangam.

    Please refer my post on these subjects.

    ‘The Pandyas were one of the three ancient Tamil dynasties (Chola and Chera being the other two) who ruled the Tamil country from pre-historic times until the end of the 15th century. They ruled initially from Korkai, a sea port on the southernmost tip of the Indian peninsula, and in later times moved to Madurai. Pandyas are mentioned inSangam Literature (c. 100 – 200 CE) as well as by Greek and Roman sources during this period.

    Archeological finds.

    A Million year old site belonging to advanced Tamil Civilization has been found in Chennai.

    We also have a ver ancient site belonging to Prehistoric times in Karnataka.

    And we have the Tamil Brahmi script found in Harappa. and Indus Valley.

     

    ‘Kaar Nadu means…Kaar, in Tamil, means regions rich with rainfall collecting mountains and associated regions and Nadu means country…Tamil word is used to refer a region with a particular geographic location…I have asked to my Kannada friends to find the meaning in Kannada language – they have few explanations which are vague for example, some Kannada language speakers think Kar (black) coloured soil region is referred as Kaarnataka – if that is true Karnataka should be less than 20% of the land it has now, because only 15% of the region has black soil in the pesent day state of Karnataka. In ancient Tamil kingdoms the land and the people were classified based on Geography that relate to their specific rich lifestyle and occupation. There are several ancient Tamil literature referring to Tulu naadu, kodagu nadu and kaaarnadu.
    The discovery of a Neolithic stone celt, a hand-held axe, with the Indus script on it at Sembian-Kandiyur in Tamil Nadu is, according to Iravatham Mahadevan, “a major discovery because for the first time a text in the Indus script has been found in the State on a datable artefact, which is a polished neolithic celt.” He added: “This confirms that the Neolithic people of Tamil Nadu shared the same language family of the Harappan group, which can only be Dravidian. The discovery provides the first evidence that the Neolithic people of the Tamil country spoke a Dravidian language.” Mr. Mahadevan, an eminent expert on the subject, estimated the date of the artefact with the Indus script between 2000 B.C. and 1500 B.C’

    • A broken storage jar with inscriptions in Tamil Brahmi script in Quseir-al-Qadim, (Leukos Limen) Egypt, 1st century BCE. Two earlier Tamil Brahmi inscription discoveries at the same site, 1st century CE.]The inscriped text is “பானை ஒறி” (paanai oRi) which means ‘pot suspended in a rope net’.
    • An inscribed amphora fragment in Tamil at the ancient Ptolemic–Roman settlement of Berenice Troglodytica, Egypt, 1st century BCE- 1st century CE.
    • Tamil-Brahmi inscription on pottery found in Phu Khao Thong,Thailand, 2nd century CE. Touchstone (uraikal) engraved in Tamil in the Tamil-Brahmi script at Khuan Luk Pat, 3rd-4th century CE.
    • Potsherds with Tamil Brahmi inscriptions found in Poonagari, Jaffna, 2nd century BCE.
    • Black and red ware potsherd with Tamil Brahmi inscriptions in Ucchapanai, Kandarodai, Jaffna, 3rd century BCE.
    • Tamil Brahmi inscriptions on a pot rim at Pattanam, central Kerala, 2nd century CE.
    • Four Tamil-Brahmi inscriptions, 3rd century CE, found on Edakal cave, Ambukuthi hill, Kerala. One contained the word ‘Chera’ (‘kadummipudha chera’), the earliest inscriptional evidence of the dynasty Chera.
    • Potsherd with Tamil-Brahmi script found in Oman. The script reads “nantai kiran” and it can be dated to the 1st century CE.
    • A fragment of black and red ware flat dish inscribed in Tamil in theTamil Brahmi script excavated at the earliest layer in southern eastern town of Tissamaharama in Sri Lanka. It is dated to approximately 200 BC by German scholars who undertook the excavation.
    • Tamil Brahmi script dating to 500 BC found at Kodumanal, Chennimalai near Erode
    • Tamil-Brahmi script dating to 500 BC found at Porunthal site is located 12 km South West of Palani
    • Tamil-Brahmi script found on Tirupparankundram hill, Madurai it read as “Muu-na-ka-ra” and “Muu-ca-ka-ti, 1st century BCE.
    • Fifth ‘hero’ stone found with Tamil Brahmi inscriptions at Porpanakkottai
    • Tamil-Brahmi script dating back to the 3rd century BCE near Thenur, Madurai. Script is written in gold bar.
    • Tamil-Brahmi script dated to the 3rd century AD found preserved in laterite in Karadukka in Kasaragod district, Kerala

    Which is Old, Kannada or Tamil

    Pre-old Kannada (or Purava HaleGannada) was the language of Banavasi in the early Common Era, theSatavahana and Kadamba periods and hence has a history of over 2000 years.The Ashoka rock edict found at Brahmagiri (dated to 230 BC) has been suggested to contain words in identifiable Kannada.

    A possibly more definite reference to Kannada is found in the ‘Charition mime’ of the 1st or 2nd century AD. The farce, written by an unknown author was discovered in the early 20th century at Oxyrynchus in Egypt. The play is concerned with a Greek lady named Charition who has been stranded on the coast of a country bordering the Indian Ocean. The king of this region, and his countrymen, sometimes use their own language, and the sentences they spoke include Koncha madhu patrakke haki (lit having poured a little wine into the cup separately) and paanam beretti katti madhuvam ber ettuvenu (lit having taken up the cup separately and having covered it, I shall take wine separately). The language employed in the papyrus indicates that the play is set in one of the numerous small ports on the western coast of India, between Karwar andMangalore’

    • 150,000-100,000 BCE – Evidence for presence of Hominins with Acheulean technology in north Tamil Nadu.
    • c. 30,000 BCE-Paleolithic industries in north Tamil Nadu
    • c. 8000–3000 BCE-Pre-pottery microlithic industries
    • c. 3000–1000 BCE-Neolithic and fine microlithic industries

    Pre-Sangam period

    • c. 1000–300 BCE-Megalithic age
    • c. 600 BCE-Tamil-Brahmi prevalent as the Tamil script
    • c. 300 BCE- Greek ethnographer Megasthenes visits Pandyan capitol Madurai.,
    • c. 250 BCE-Asoka’s inscription recording the four kingdoms (Chera, Cholas, Pandya and Satyaputra) of the ancient Tamil country
    • c. 200 BCE-Elara, a Tamil prince and contemporary of Dutte Gamini, rules Lanka

    Sangam age

    • c. 200 BCE-200 CE-Sangam age during which books of Sangam Literature are created
    • c. 150 BCE-Kharavela of Kalinga records his conquest of a federation of Tamil kings in his Hathigumpha inscription [10]
    • c. 13– Greek historian Nicolaus of Damascus met an ambassador sent by Pandyan King to Caesar Augustus, Strabo XV.1-73.
    • c. 1-100 – The Periplus of the Erythraean Sea gives a detailed description of early Chera and Pandya kingdom and mentions Tamil country as ‘Damirica’
    • c. 77 and 140 Greco-Roman writers Pliny the Elder and Ptolemy mention Madurai ruled by Pandyan.
    • Considering he vast stretches of time involved, it is difficult to determine which influenced the other, Tamil or Kannada,despite fanatics claiming one way or the other.

    In my opinion,as I said to Bharathitheertha Swami of Sringeri Peeta, our Father Tongue is Sanskrit mother tongue based of geographical location and it is best we enjoy these languages and follow Sanatana Dharma.

    Squabbles are for the Immature.

    I am yet to study Telugu and Godavari Valley.

    I am sure more surprises will be in store.

    Citation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satavahana_dynasty

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_South_India

    https://www.quora.com/Which-is-the-oldest-language-between-Kannada-and-Tamil-What-is-the-proof

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kannada

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_Tamil_history

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  • Manu Meditated Malayamarutha Near Madagascar?

    I have, through my articles, been able to reconstruct, albeit in a limited way,Indian ancient History which has been obliterated.

    Many misconceived notions have been cleared, like the Aryan Invasion theory, Tamil is antagonistic to Sanatana Dharam, Sanatana Dharma is about 5000 years  old,Ramayana and Mahabharata were just stories and legends,Indians were barbarians with no scientific temper,India was insulated from the world,Ancient civilizations rose in Egypt,Babylon…..

    ..https://youtu.be/bPTxAO68-XE

    This I have been able to unearth with the help of information available in web from sources whose ancestors, have spread misinformation.

    Namely, Astrodating, Etymology, Geology, Carbon dating of events,,cultural similarities, infrared dating of Fossils.

    I had recently written an article on Lord Rama’s war with the Atlantis people .

    While researching for the material to support my view, I had come across information about the Malaya Mountain, Malayamarutha.

    Malayamarutha is often mentioned in the Ramayana and repeatedly in Tamil Literature.

    Tamil is so obsessive with Malaya Mountain, even the Gentle breeze is named after it, Malaya Marutham.

    This wind is recorded to have emanated from the south.

    This breeze is soft, gentle and invigorating.

    There is a Raaga, Muscial Note, by the name Malayamarutha.

    It is one of the Janyaragas in Carnatic Music, which is highly mathematical.

    Janya Ragas are Carnatic music ragas derived from the fundamental set of 72 ragas called Melakarta ragas, by the permutation and combination of the various ascending and descending notes. The process of deriving janya ragas from the parent melakartas is complex and leads to an open mathematical possibility of around thirty thousand ragas. Although limited by the necessity of the existence of individual swaroopas (unique identities) for the janya ragas, a list is never comprehensive or exhaustive.’

    Why this obsession with a Mountain?

    I recalled an article I had written on Satyavrata Manu, ancestor of Lord Rama, having lived in the South and migrated to Ayodhya, because of a Great Flood and whose son Ikshvaku founded the Ikshvaku Dynasty.

    And this Satyavrata Manu is associated with the Great Flood and he is reported to have meditated in a Mountain.

    ‘The Sanskrit-language Bhagavata Purana (dated 500 BCE-1000 CE) describes its protagonist Manu (aka Satyavrata) as the Lord of Dravida (South India). TheMatsya Purana (dated 250–500 CE) also begins with Manu practicing tapas on Mount Malaya of South India. Manimeghalai (dated around 6th century CE) mentions that the ancient Chola port city of Kavirippumpattinam (present-day Puhar) was destroyed by a flood. It states that this flood was sent by the Hindu deity Indra, because the king forgot to celebrate a festival dedicated to him’

    ‘

    Shraddhadeva was the king of the Dravida Kingdom during the epoch of the Matsya Purana. According to the Matsya Purana, Matsya, the avatar of Vishnu, first appeared as a shaphari (a small carp) to Shraddhadeva while he washed his hands in a river flowing down theMalaya Mountains.

    The little fish asked the king to save him, and out of compassion, he put it in a water jar. It kept growing bigger and bigger, until the king first put it in a bigger pitcher, and then deposited it in a well. When the well also proved insufficient for the ever-growing fish, the King placed it in a tank (reservoir), that was two yojanas (16 miles) in height above the surface and on land, as much in length, and a yojana (8 miles) in breadth.[5][6] As it grew further, the king had to put the fish in a river, and when even the river proved insufficient, he placed it in the ocean, after which it nearly filled the vast expanse of the great ocean.

    It was then that Vishnu, revealing himself, informed the king of an all-destructive deluge which would be coming very soon.The king built a huge boat which housed his family, saptarishi, nine types of seeds, and animals to repopulate the earth, after the deluge would end and the oceans and seas would recede. At the time of deluge, Vishnu appeared as a horned fish and Shesha appeared as a rope, with which the king fastened the boat to horn of the fish.

    The boat was perched after the deluge on the top of the Malaya Mountains. After the deluge, Manu’s family and the seven sages repopulated the earth.’

    Lemuria Location.jpg Tamil Land.The arrow points at Kumari Mountain and the red dot Kapadapuram(Kavata).Image Credit jaysreesaranathan blog, Tamizhanthiravidana blog spot.

    Atlantis Lemuria Location Map.jpg Atlantis and Lemuria Location.Image credit. alternative research.

    According to historians, Kuadam was very close to Tiruchendur. Abraham Pandithar says that Greeks in those days named it as Periplus port’ ( Wiki)

    The Tami land extended from Kapadapuram to Then Madurai.( South Madurai, which is differnet from the Madurai now in Tamil Nadu , where Meenakshi Amman Temple is.

    The distance is about 7460Kms and the western side the land stretched to Africa!( 700 Katham)

    In this area there were 49 Tamil Kingdoms, called Ezheezh Nadukal( 7*7 countries)…

    Note the Kumari Mountain , indicated by an arrow in the First Image, and it starts from what is the presently known as the Western Ghats and extends to Madagascar, where the Mascarene plateau lay in ancient times.

    Since Satyavrata Manu was meditating on t a higher plane because of the great flood, the Mascarene plateau   fits.

    As He is reported to have meditated in Malayamarutha, I am of the opinion that the Malayamarutha lay somewhere in  Mascarene plateau..

    The Mascarene Plateau is a submarine plateau in the Indian Ocean, north and east of Madagascar. The plateau extends approximately 2,000 km (1,200 mi), from the Seychelles in the north to Réunion in the south. The plateau covers an area of over 115,000 km2 (44,000 sq mi) of shallow water, with depths ranging from 8–150 m (30–490 ft), plunging to 4,000 m (13,000 ft) to the abyssal plain at its edges. It is the largest undersea plateau in the Indian Ocean…

    Mascarene Plateau with Mountains.jpg Mascare Plateau marked by a Circle and two other ellipical circles are Kumari Malai(Mountain and 90Degree Mountain).Image credit.Jayasreesaranathans Blog

    The northern part of the Mascarene plateau includes the Seychelles and Agaléga Islands. The southern part of the Mascarene plateau includes the Mascarene Islands, Saya de Malha Bank, Nazareth Bank, Soudan Banks, and Hawkins Bank. The Mascarene Islands are the mountainous islands of Mauritius, Réunion, Rodrigues, and the Cargados Carajos Shoals..

    The Indian subcontinent was at one time next to the east coast of the Seychelles, but seafloor spreading has moved the landmass to its current position, where it has collided and fused with the continent of Asia.

    The northern part of the Mascarene plateau is formed of granite, and is a fragment of the ancient supercontinent of Gondwana. The granite is topped with deposits of limestoneand basalt. The basalt deposits in the Seychelles are from the Deccan Traps eruption, which occurred in the central part of the Indian subcontinent 66 million years ago, at the end of the Cretaceous period.

    And this lies close to what was Thenmadurai.

    Location of Thenmadurai.bmp Location of Thenmadurai.Image credit,Jayasreesaranathans blog

    As the Malayamarutahm is recorded to have come from the south of Thenmadurai(South Madurai which is different from the Madurai in Tamil Nadu now), Satyavrata Manu , this could have been the Mountain range where Satyavrata Manu meditated .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mascarene_Plateau

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemuria_(continent)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumari_Kandam

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shraddhadeva_Manu

    https://ramanisblog.in/tag/malaya-mountains/

    https://ramanisblog.in/2015/10/26/rama-atlantis-war-kavatam-periplus-port-window-of-lemuria/

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  • Rama Atlantis War Kavatam Periplus Port Window Of Lemuria

    I have recently published an article Rama Atlantis War, where I had mentioned that Seth of Osiris lineage fought with Rama and Rama defeated him, thereby establishing the Rama Empire in Sumeria.

    Lemurian Land of Tamils Tamil Land.The arrow points at Kumari Mountain and the red dot Kapadapuram(Kavata).Image Credit jaysreesaranathan blog, Tamizhanthiravidana blog spot.

    Atlantis and Lemuria .jpg
    Atlantis and Lemuria Location.Image credit. alternative research.

    Atlantis Lemuria Location Map.

    Osiris’s son Horus entered into a treaty with Lord Rama to fight against Seth who usurped the Kingdom in Sumeria and Osiris also wanted to check the power of the Lemurians.

    Now Lemuria is called as Kumari Kandam in Tamil Literature and Tamil Literature abounds in Lemuria references.

    Please read my posts on this.

    If Horus and Rama had entered into a pact to defeat Seth and Lemurians, who were Lemurians and in what state had they had been?

    I remembered the description in Tamil of the Kumarikandam especially in the Sangam Literature and their assertion about the city of Kapadapuram, also called as Kavatam.

    ‘According to historians, Kuadam was very close to Tiruchendur. Abraham Pandithar says that Greeks in those days named it as Periplus port’ ( Wiki)

    The Tami land extended from Kapadapuram to Then Madurai.

    The distance is about 7460Kms and the western side the land stretched to Africa!( 700 Katham)

    In this area there were 49 Tamil Kingdoms, called Ezheezh Nadukal( 7*7 countries).

    ‘

    Adiyarkunallar mentions that the lost land extended from Pahruli river in the north to the Kumari river in the South. It was located to the south of Kanyakumari, and covered an area of 700 kavatam (a unit of unknown measurement). It was divided into 49 territories (natu), classified in the following seven categories:

    • Elu teñku natu (“Seven coconut lands”)
    • Elu Maturai natu (“Seven mango lands”)
    • Elu munpalai natu (“Seven front sandy lands”)
    • Elu pinpalai natu (“Seven back sandy lands”)
    • Elu kunra natu (“Seven hilly lands”)
    • Elu kunakarai natu (“Seven coastal lands”)
    • Elu kurumpanai natu (“Seven dwarf-palm lands”)(wiki)

    Many Tamil Hindu shrines have legendary accounts of surviving the floods mentioned in Hindu mythology. These include the prominent temples of Kanyakumari, Kanchipuram, Kumbakonam, Madurai, Sirkazhi and Tiruvottiyur.[8]:57–69 There are also legends of temples submerged under the sea, such as the Seven Pagodas of Mahabalipuram. The Puranas place the beginning of the most popular Hindu flood myth – the legend of Manu – in South India. The Sanskrit-language Bhagavata Purana (dated 500 BCE-1000 CE) describes its protagonist Manu (aka Satyavrata) as the Lord of Dravida (South India). TheMatsya Purana (dated 250–500 CE) also begins with Manu practicing tapas on Mount Malaya of South India.[8]:57 Manimeghalai (dated around 6th century CE) mentions that the ancient Chola port city of Kavirippumpattinam (present-day Puhar) was destroyed by a flood. It states that this flood was sent by the Hindu deity Indra, because the king forgot to celebrate a festival dedicated to him.

    There are refernces in Atlantis legends that the earth had an inner core populated with people.

    “The first is Mother Earth’s inner crust, which is a continuation of the external surface crust. The two Polar Regions each have a large entrance or hole, somewhat like a cored apple, and the crust wraps itself down and around the mantle into the hollow interior. The outer and inner crusts have very similar topography: Both comprise oceans, continents, mountain ranges, lakes, and rivers. It is merely that the inner crust faces the Earth’s core. This core glows and is surrounded by a cloudy veil. The light given off is more diffuse that the light of the Sun, so the daylight in inner Earth is softer and gentler than on the Earth’s external surface. The second main feature of inner Earth is the so-called cavern worlds. These are immense hollows within the mantle, some of which are natural features created by Mother Earth, while others were made using the advanced technology of inner Earth’s major society, the land of Aghartha. This land is the last living remnant of Earth’s second Galactic Federation colony, Lemuria.

    Lemuria, in her original form, was a surface society with a subterranean component. The primary capital city was situated on the large island that sank beneath the waves of the Pacific some 25,000 years ago. A secondary capital city was located in inner Earth. It was to this city that the government of Lemuria moved after the cataclysm. The new ruler of the surface, the Empire of Atlantis, ordered the major tunnel entrances to be sealed. It was only during the final days of Atlantis that the Lemurians broke these seals and thus saved many surface dwellers from certain death. These people formed a society that subsequently returned for a time to the surface and became the Rama Empire situated in Southern Asia. Then the Great Flood of 8,000 BC ended this attempt to save humanity from the dark ways of the Anunnaki. Despite this setback, Lemuria persisted in her role of protecting the surface world from these havoc-wreaking rapscallions. It was her galactic emissaries that maintained membership for this solar system in the Galactic Federation.

    After the Great Flood and the demise of the Rama Empire, the Lemurians regrouped and named their newly combined society Aghartha. The capital Shamballah was relocated to a cavern located far beneath the city of Lhasa in modern Tibet. Many tunnels connect Shamballah to the surface in the Himalayas. These were used by holy men who came to spread their great energy and divine wisdom to the outside world. In this area, an extraordinary place was kept for special occasions, where holy men and their chosen disciples met in order to maintain Mother Earth’s sacred energy grids. This work, together with numerous rituals performed daily throughout inner Earth, is largely responsible for keeping alive the divine energy that is Lemuria’s main legacy to the surface peoples of Mother Earth. Lemuria, and later on Aghartha, have continuously held the Light for your transformation back into fully conscious Beings of Light.”( Source. http://www.paoweb.com/sn020706.htm)

    The term Kapatam means Window.

    Probably the reference in the Atlantis legend means Kapadapuram when they say Lemurians emerge from the sea.

    The Kapadapuram was established by  a Tamil Pandya King .

    ‘With this loss of the large territories of the Pandiya country and the demise the Paandiya king Kadungkon, the next successor to Paandiyan throne was the king Paandiyan Nediyoan. This king escaped the great disaster and moved more towards the north and captured many new regions including parts of Chera and Chola countries and made them into a new Pandiyan country.

    He distributed the captured lands to his subjects who met the loss of their own lands but possibly escaped this great tragedy, made him get the title “Nilam Tharu Thiruvit Pandiyan” (which means: “the Pandiyan who made the kind gesture of lands”) and as “Nilam Tharu Thiruvit Nediyoan”.

    The Paandiyan king Nediyon built his new capital city at Kapaadapuram (Kavaadam) closer to the sea. The Paandiyan king with a view of preventing further sea disasters had a festival in celeberation for the Sea God, and hence he was known as “Munneer Vilavu Nediyon” (Munner Vilavu = Sea (God) celeberation) and also as “Vadivalamba nintra Paandiyan”.

    He also excavated a new artificial river named “Pahruli Aaru” flowing through the city of Kapaadapuram towards the sea of the Indian Ocean possibly to make the region fertile and self sufficient in water.

    He also re-organised the Second Thamil Sangam at Kapaadapuram and as an initial measure requested the renowned Tamil Poet of the period the Tholkaappianaar to compose a new Tamil Grammer, as the original Tamil Grammer composed during the period of first Thamil Sangam by the great Poet Agaththiyar known as Ahaththiyam, apparently was lost in the great Land Slide in which the first capital city ‘Then Mathurai’ (South Mathurai) also known as “Naan maadak Koodal” went under sea.

    (Source.  http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?9994-A-brief-study-on-the-Pandiyas-(Paandiyar)-of-the-quot-Second-Sangam-quot-Period-of-Tamil-Nadu)

    “. The new ruler of the surface, the Empire of Atlantis, ordered the major tunnel entrances to be sealed. It was only during the final days of Atlantis that the Lemurians broke these seals and thus saved many surface dwellers from certain death. These people formed a society that subsequently returned for a time to the surface and became the Rama Empire situated in Southern Asia. Then the Great Flood of 8,000 BC ended this attempt to save humanity from the dark ways of the Anunnaki.”

    The Atlantis people’ sealing the Lemurians’ probably means the Mascarene plateau.

    Lemuria existed south of this plateau, which was consumed by the sea about 6000 years ago.

    The surfacing of Rama dynasty may indicate the fact that Satyavrata Manu ancestor of Rama had migrated to Ayodhya(whose son Ikshvaku founded the Ikshvaku Dynasty) and the subsequent emergence of Lord Rama and His Kingdom.

    One may note that the Ramayana and the Puranas call the Tamil areas as Dravida, meaning South, Dasyu, meaning who do not follow all the percepts of Sanatana Dharma( though they were practicing Sanatana Dharma they were not Fire (Agni) worshipers),and Viswamitra banished his sons to the south directing them to go to the Dasyu Land.

    Normally this area has been taken as stretching from the Vindhyas, but due to the emergence of the Fact about Mascarene Plataeu , the reference may be to Manscarene plateau

    To sum up,

    The Lemurians (Tamils) were in existence during the Ramayana Period,

    Their land was extended to Then Madurai from Kapadapuram.

    They were a part of the Rama Empire,

    the Tamil Timeline is,

    1. Mathivanan, then Chief Editor of the Tamil Etymological Dictionary Project of the Government of Tamilnadu, in 1991 … the following timeline …:ca. 200,000 to 50,000 BC: evolution of “the Tamilian or Homo Dravida”,
      ca. 200,000 to 100,000 BC: beginnings of the Tamil language
      50,000 BC: Kumari Kandam civilisation
      20,000 BC: A lost Tamil culture of the Easter Island which had an advanced civilisation
      16,000 BC: Lemuria submerged
      6087 BC: Second Tamil Sangam established by a Pandya king
      3031 BC: A Chera prince in his wanderings in the Solomon Island saw wild sugarcane and started cultivation in Tamilnadu.
      1780 BC: The Third Tamil Sangam established by a Pandya king
      7th century BC: Tolkappiyam (the earliest extant Tamil grammer)…

    The continent was destroyed by three large floods which wiped out most of the golden civilization with it:

    Source. http://thelostcontinent-kumarikandam.blogspot.in/

    • Inputs welcome.

    Ref.

    http://thamizhan-thiravidana.blogspot.in/2011/03/46-2.html

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  • Secret Chambers Ekambareswara Temple Key To Lost Mu Civilization?

    Secret Chambers Ekambareswara Temple Key To Lost Mu Civilization?

    I have been researching into the origins of Shiva worship in the South.

    I have been referring to, apart from  Sanskrit texts, Tamil Texts,Temple architecture and Temple histories of south and north India.

    In this search,I have noticed that there were at least two tsunamis mentioned in the Tamil Classics.

    The great Flood is present in almost all the civilizations of the world.

    And there are more interesting  nuggets of information.

    1.The Sanatna Dharma spread in South East Asia and Westwards of India seem to have been from the South.

    2.Rama’s ancestor Satyavrata Manu migrated from the South to the North and his son Ikshvaku founded the Ikshvaku Dynasty.

    3.The South Asian spread of Santana Dharma seems to have preceded the spread int he west.

    4.The remains of Tamil Culture is found in all the Asian countries , New Zealand and Australia.

    5.The Incas whose ancestors were Tamils and they came later than the Africans.

    6.The ancestors of the Africans, the Olmecs’ ancestors were Tamils from Godavari Kumtis.

    7.This leads to the discrepancy in dating the Tamils and these Cultures.

    8. Once we are able to distinguish between the Two Floods, we can see some light in this search.

    The Southern part of India, below the Deccan Plateau/ Vindhya/Satpura Mountains seems to have separated from the landmass of India twice, one each at each Flood.

    The earliest one formed the Kumari Kandam, which has been referred to by the Tamil Classics.

    This spread was east wards towards reaching to Australia.

    Later came the Lemuria, which had the Atlantis a part of it.

    I have been trying to find the connection between the Mu Civilization and the Tamils.

    Detailed Post on this follows shortly.

    In the meantime I stumbled on some information I thought worth sharing.

    The theory of the Lost Civilization of Mus was floated by James Churchward, a patented inventor, engineer.

    ‘he had found evidence of a lost civilisation: Mu. Mu was said to have been the Pacific equivalent of Atlantis, though Churchward said it was a colony of Mu. The first man to write about Mu was Augustus LePlongeon, who in archaeological circles has the distinction of being the first to make a photographic record of the ruins of Chichen Itza. In his books “Sacred Mysteries Among the Mayans and Quiches” (1886) and “Queen Moo and the Egyptian Sphinx” (1896), LePlongeon related his decipherment of the so-called “Troano Codex”, which he claimed showed that the Maya were the ancestors of the Ancient Egyptians. The Mayans had originated from a lost civilization, Mu, which was on par with Atlantis, and which had been destroyed by a volcanic eruption. He added that Queen Moo – clearly linked with Mu – had travelled from this continent to Egypt, where she had gone down into the history books under her new name of Isis. Unfortunately, when the Mayan language was deciphered several decades later, it was learned that LePlongeon’s interpretation of this document was completely erroneous, sometimes even using letters that were in fact no such thing. Jack Churchward, a descendent of James Churchward, states that LePlongeon relied on the translation of Brasseur de Bourbourg. Jack Churchward received an email from one of de Bourbourg’s descendants, who stated that the translation was done by channelling a spirit, which explains why LePlongeon erred so much when he interpreted the document based on this translation.
    LePlongeon did put the lost civilization of Mu on the books, but left it to Theosophist Helena Blavatsky to popularize the lost continent, claiming it was the mystical birthplace of occult traditions. But the man who brought Mu from theory and speculation to reality was James Churchward, who claimed to have found hard physical evidence for the continent’s existence, when he was shown a secret library in India…

    Chruchward reported that he found manuscripts signifying the connection between the Tamils and the Mus ina secret chamber in Ekambareswarar Temple, Kanchipuram,Tamil Nadu.

    He had found some Tablets too.

    ‘Churchward’s discovery became famous when a major article on it appeared on November 10, 1924 in the “New York American” newspaper. In it, the central framework of Churchward’s claims about Mu was put forward. The civilisation was labelled “Empire of the Sun”. It was once a civilisation that had 64 million inhabitants, known as the Naacals, the priestly brotherhood, keepers of the sacred wisdom, who lived 50,000 years ago. All known ancient civilisations – India, Egypt and the Mayas – were decayed remnants of its many colonies.
    In 1926, at the age of 75, Churchward published “The Lost Continent of Mu: Motherland of Man”. Where was Mu? It extended from north of Hawaii to the Fijis and Easter Island. Geologists find it hard to imagine dry land here, as the area is crossed by the so-called Andesite Line, making it geologically unlikely there was a landmass here. As Churchward never produced any evidence for his visit to the Naacal Library, several people treat his claims with scepticism.
    So was Churchward a liar, or someone with genuine experiences? To understand the man better, it is noted that some aspects of the Mu legend are original to Churchward, some aren’t. It was LePlongeon who had first written about the “Nacaal”, in 1896, where he identifies them as Maya adepts and missionaries, with the word Naacal meaning “the exalted”. But LePlongeon therefore identified their homeland as Central America, not Mu in the Pacific Ocean, which was specific to Churchward.
    What about his relationship with Blavatsky? They both claimed that in India, they had been exposed to “lost knowledge”. In the case of Blavatsky, her source of lost knowledge was the “Book of Dzyan”, supposedly written in Atlantis and presented to her by the Indian Mahatmas.
    Indeed, though it could be argued that Churchward merely copied from the likes of Blavatsky and LePlongeon in his exploit of Mu, at the same time, it could be said that his story is totally true and that it confirms Blavatsky’s assertions and that Churchward spent several decades cementing his case before he went public and wrote his series of books on the subject.
    Churchward was living in India in the 1880s, before he moved to the United States in 1889. It is during his time in India when he allegedly made contact with these Indian adepts – allowing for a period of roughly a decade where he could befriend, learn and study the language – more than sufficient time. Churchward said he studied the language which was said to be Mankind’s original language, which had labelled “Naga-Maya”, for more than two years
    After having read the Naacal documents, he continued his searches for further information. In Burma, he visited an ancient Buddhist temple in search of the missing records, carrying letters of introduction from the Indian high priests with whom he studied…

    ‘His story truly hinges on whether or not he acquainted an Indian priest and saw numerous rare tablets. As a result, for years, the story of Churchward therefore remained a legend, while his books were reprinted. But never, anything new was found that might change the status quo. That changed when the German independent researcher, author and travel agency manager Thomas Ritter claimed he had entered a “secret library” underneath Sri Ekambaranatha temple in Kanchipuram, India in which he has found evidence of the lost civilisation of Mu.
    He claims that on July 23, 2010, he was contacted by one Pachayappa, who invited him to enter the underground complex – and even allowed him to photograph some of its contents! Ritter states how “at chamber no. 4 the priest only allowed me to take pictures from two tablets, not from all this books there. The two tablets he showed me, are a little bit damaged. But you can see clearly the inscriptions.”
    These two tablets are the so-called Naacal tablets, which James Churchward claimed to have seen many decades before. When Ritter published the material, there was immediately a torrent of disbelief, not helped by the realization that what Ritter apparently showed was a tablet unearthed in Byblos (Lebanon), discovered by French archaeologist Maurice Dunand. Because of the small amount of writing on the tablets, they have so far not been deciphered, though the script is identified – Proto-Byblian – and therefore not related to India. Indeed, the tablet presented by Ritter is in the Beirut Museum (Cat. 16598) and not a secret library in India.
    Ritter claims that in July 2010, he was not welcomed by the usual young priest Narjan, whom he knew well, but an elder man, Pachayappa, who unlike Narjan, did not speak English. Pachayappa took him down into the underground structures of the temple complex. Ritter states: “Before an iron-bound door he stopped and pointed with some gesture to the bottom: ‘Rishi place!’” Then he opened the door, behind which the Nacaal library was located.
    Whether Ritter is lying or not, he has at least specifically identified a temple as the location of the library: the Sri Ekambaranatha Temple in Kanchipuram, in the state of Tamil (India). The gate of the temple complex measures more than sixty metres tall, making it the largest temple tower in Southern India, and is made from granite, decorated with the images of gods, goddesses and heroes. The complex is a Hindu temple dedicated to Lord Shiva and is one of the five major Shiva temples, each of which representing a natural element. The Sri Ekambaranatha Temple represents the element earth. The temple’s history dates back to at least 600 AD, though could be older and is notorious for its “hallway with a thousand pillars”, as the temple’s inner walls are decorated with an array of 1,008 Shiva lingams, a symbol of the male energy.
    But Ritter has drawn attention to the subterranean system of this complex, where he claims there are ten chambers. In nine of these chambers, they stored the tablets. Each room measured 25 meters long and 15 meters wide, with the ceiling quite low – he could touch it when he stretched his arm out. Pachayappa claimed that the inscriptions detailed the Rishi Puranas, the lives of the culture bringers of Ancient India. Inside were black granite tables, and there were tens of thousands of stone tablets. Ritter notes that “both sides of such postcard-sized stone tablets engraved with tiny lines were narrow characters covered in an unfamiliar script. Other plates showed fine geometric patterns on running, technical drawings, maps and astronomical images.” When he asked what they contained, he said it was the legacy of the Seven Sages.
    In the first three chambers, the tablets are made from black granite, in the next three from gold. Each golden tablet was fourteen by ten centimeters, and about two to three milimeters thick and were bound like a book.
    In the final three rooms, he found silver and bronze tablets that were hard to read, so Ritter used a handkerchief to polish the tablet, restoring it to its original state.
    Ritter claims he was only allowed to photograph two tablets. All of these chambers have inscriptions, describing the lives and deeds of the rishis, and has produced photographs of these inscriptions.
    The tenth room was located at the end of the corridor. In the middle of the room rose a column of about 1.50 m high from a solid black material, and according to Pachayappa, the material was not stone. Behind the lingam were statues of the Seven Rishis, placed in a semi-circle, and were made from a shimmering metal, which Ritter thought could be gold or silver-plated. One of them he was able to identify as Aghasthiya, who is always depicted as a dwarf.’

    Kanchipuram Residents, please contribute.

    Citations.

    Secret Chamber in Ekambareswarar Temple

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  • Poem Written By Lord Shiva Text Meaning

    Poem Written By Lord Shiva Text Meaning

    There is a school of Thought which considers that Lord Shiva was a Human being and He composed poems in Tamil.

    I am looking into the legend and verify whether there is any truth in this.

    This may sound ludicrous for rationalists.

    The point is that I do not consider me to be super intelligent,right and correct at all times and others ,especially my ancestors were fools to believe anything,spend time and money to build huge marvelous temples.

    I have , in my Life ,seen many things which defy my Logic.

    They make/made sense as I grew.

    Hence I do not dismiss anything offhand by sheer arrogance.

    The open approach has yielded good dividends in History in that it has brought to light many truths so far hidden because self-importance and intellectual arrogance.

    At the same time I do not belive or trust anything which is not supported by internal and external evidence.

    The proof of my labors lies in my posts in this blog.

    As to Shiva, I have noticed a lot of curious facts between Shiva in the South and the North, though they are the same.

    The Avatars of Shiva in the South were not reported in the North.

    Shiva as a family man with children is not as popular in the North as in the South.

    Mostly the legends of Siva in the North revolve around only the marriage of Shiva with Uma, and incidents connected with it, while in the South the information is more detailed and Shiva has been portrayed as lending a helping hand to people in distress.

    His avatars are different from the Avatars of Vishnu in that while Vishnu stayed in a womb Shiva is described as one who does not stay in the womb, Ayonija’; Tamil calls Him as  Unborn Eldest, ‘Pirava Yaakaip Periyon’.

    Yet He appears in a Flash , helps people in distress and disappears.

    Sixty four of his Avatars of this nature are recorded in Tamil literature, all in the City of Madurai.

    He is reported to have married a Pandyan Princess Meenakshi in the form of Chokkanatha.

    Madurai Meenakshi Amman Temple is dedicated to Meenakshi and Shiva as Chokkanatha/Sundareswara.

    These sixty-four avatars have not been recorded in any north Indian legends though some of them are hinted in Puranas, especially in Linga and Bhagavatha Purana.

    In one of these Avatars Lord Shiva composed a Poem in Tamil.

    This is it with meaning.

    This appears as the second poem in Kurunthogai, a Sangam Literature.

    The author is given as Iraiyanar, a Name for Shiva.

    ‘

    “Kongu ther vaazhkai” is a famous song populariased by a tamil movie. “thiruvilayadal”, legend says this poem is written by Lord Shiva.. This song is part of “kurunthogai”, (collection of short poems) part of the “Sangam literature”. dated around 2000 years back.
    “kongu ther vaazhkai anjirai thumbi
    kaamam seppaathu kandathu mozhimo
    payiliyathu kezhiya natpin mayil iyal
    seri iyarru arivai koonthalin
    nariyavum ulavo, nee ariyum poove”
    O! honey bee with beautiful wings, you live drinking nectar from selected flowers,
    tell me without bias
    look at my friend who resembles a peacock in beauty
    have you seen any flower that smells better than her hair?

    The Tiruvilaiyadal Puranam relates an incident involving Nakkeerar’s confrontation with Lord Shiva.[4] Once the Pandiyan king had a doubt as to whether the scent from a woman’s hair was natural or artificial. He announced a prize of 1000 gold coins for anyone to resove his doubt. A poor poet named Tharumi prayed to Lord Shiva to make him get the award. The Lord gave a poem to the poet and asked him to take it to the King. When this poem was read in the court, Poet Nakkeerar found fault with it and stopped the Pandiyan king from giving the prize. Tharumi’s grief grew and he again appealed to the Lord. He said he was not worried for not receiving the prize but he could not bear anyone finding fault with the Lord’s poems.[4]

    Thereupon, Lord Shiva himself came to the court and challenged Nakkeerar. But Nakkeerar was not moved. Though Lord Shiva asked him if the hair of Ganapoongodai, the consort of Lord Kalathinathar, whom Nakkeerar worshipped,did not have a natural scent,the undaunted Nakkeerar asserted that it was so. Shiva opened the eye in his forehead (Netrikkan) which emitted fire and looked at Nakkeerar to show the poet who he was. Even then, Nakkeerar persisted in his statement. As he could not bear the scorching heat emanating from the divine eye he jumped into the water of the Golden Lotus Tank. Then at the request of the other poets, the Lord took Nakkeerar out of the tank, forgave him and made him study under ‘Agasthiar’, the Tamil Sage. This story remains a popular legend.

    Citation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakkeerar

    http://creative.sulekha.com/song-from-tamil-sangam-kongu-ther-vaazhkai_34464_blog

    http://www.tamilvu.org/library/l1220/html/l1220ind.htm

    —
    thumbi – bee
    mayil    – peacock
    arivai    –  young lady
    koonthal – hair

    கொங்கு தேர் வாழ்க்கை அஞ்சிறைத் தும்பி!

    காமம் செப்பாது, கண்டது மொழிமோ:

    பயிலியது கெழீஇய நட்பின், மயில் இயல்,

    செறி எயிற்று, அரிவை கூந்தலின்

    நறியவும் உளவோ, நீ அறியும் பூவே?

    உரை

    இயற்கைப் புணர்ச்சி புணர்ந்தவழி, தலைமகளை இயற்கைப் புணர்ச்சிக்கண் இடையீடுபட்டு நின்ற தலைமகன், நாணின் நீக்குதற்பொருட்டு, மெய் தொட்டுப் பயிறல் முதலாயின அவள்மாட்டு நிகழ்த்திக் கூடி, தனது அன்பு தோற்ற நலம் பாராட்டியது. – இறையனார்.