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  • Manu Meditated Malayamarutha Near Madagascar?

    I have, through my articles, been able to reconstruct, albeit in a limited way,Indian ancient History which has been obliterated.

    Many misconceived notions have been cleared, like the Aryan Invasion theory, Tamil is antagonistic to Sanatana Dharam, Sanatana Dharma is about 5000 years  old,Ramayana and Mahabharata were just stories and legends,Indians were barbarians with no scientific temper,India was insulated from the world,Ancient civilizations rose in Egypt,Babylon…..

    ..https://youtu.be/bPTxAO68-XE

    This I have been able to unearth with the help of information available in web from sources whose ancestors, have spread misinformation.

    Namely, Astrodating, Etymology, Geology, Carbon dating of events,,cultural similarities, infrared dating of Fossils.

    I had recently written an article on Lord Rama’s war with the Atlantis people .

    While researching for the material to support my view, I had come across information about the Malaya Mountain, Malayamarutha.

    Malayamarutha is often mentioned in the Ramayana and repeatedly in Tamil Literature.

    Tamil is so obsessive with Malaya Mountain, even the Gentle breeze is named after it, Malaya Marutham.

    This wind is recorded to have emanated from the south.

    This breeze is soft, gentle and invigorating.

    There is a Raaga, Muscial Note, by the name Malayamarutha.

    It is one of the Janyaragas in Carnatic Music, which is highly mathematical.

    Janya Ragas are Carnatic music ragas derived from the fundamental set of 72 ragas called Melakarta ragas, by the permutation and combination of the various ascending and descending notes. The process of deriving janya ragas from the parent melakartas is complex and leads to an open mathematical possibility of around thirty thousand ragas. Although limited by the necessity of the existence of individual swaroopas (unique identities) for the janya ragas, a list is never comprehensive or exhaustive.’

    Why this obsession with a Mountain?

    I recalled an article I had written on Satyavrata Manu, ancestor of Lord Rama, having lived in the South and migrated to Ayodhya, because of a Great Flood and whose son Ikshvaku founded the Ikshvaku Dynasty.

    And this Satyavrata Manu is associated with the Great Flood and he is reported to have meditated in a Mountain.

    ‘The Sanskrit-language Bhagavata Purana (dated 500 BCE-1000 CE) describes its protagonist Manu (aka Satyavrata) as the Lord of Dravida (South India). TheMatsya Purana (dated 250–500 CE) also begins with Manu practicing tapas on Mount Malaya of South India. Manimeghalai (dated around 6th century CE) mentions that the ancient Chola port city of Kavirippumpattinam (present-day Puhar) was destroyed by a flood. It states that this flood was sent by the Hindu deity Indra, because the king forgot to celebrate a festival dedicated to him’

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    Shraddhadeva was the king of the Dravida Kingdom during the epoch of the Matsya Purana. According to the Matsya Purana, Matsya, the avatar of Vishnu, first appeared as a shaphari (a small carp) to Shraddhadeva while he washed his hands in a river flowing down theMalaya Mountains.

    The little fish asked the king to save him, and out of compassion, he put it in a water jar. It kept growing bigger and bigger, until the king first put it in a bigger pitcher, and then deposited it in a well. When the well also proved insufficient for the ever-growing fish, the King placed it in a tank (reservoir), that was two yojanas (16 miles) in height above the surface and on land, as much in length, and a yojana (8 miles) in breadth.[5][6] As it grew further, the king had to put the fish in a river, and when even the river proved insufficient, he placed it in the ocean, after which it nearly filled the vast expanse of the great ocean.

    It was then that Vishnu, revealing himself, informed the king of an all-destructive deluge which would be coming very soon.The king built a huge boat which housed his family, saptarishi, nine types of seeds, and animals to repopulate the earth, after the deluge would end and the oceans and seas would recede. At the time of deluge, Vishnu appeared as a horned fish and Shesha appeared as a rope, with which the king fastened the boat to horn of the fish.

    The boat was perched after the deluge on the top of the Malaya Mountains. After the deluge, Manu’s family and the seven sages repopulated the earth.’

    Lemuria Location.jpg Tamil Land.The arrow points at Kumari Mountain and the red dot Kapadapuram(Kavata).Image Credit jaysreesaranathan blog, Tamizhanthiravidana blog spot.

    Atlantis Lemuria Location Map.jpg Atlantis and Lemuria Location.Image credit. alternative research.

    According to historians, Kuadam was very close to Tiruchendur. Abraham Pandithar says that Greeks in those days named it as Periplus port’ ( Wiki)

    The Tami land extended from Kapadapuram to Then Madurai.( South Madurai, which is differnet from the Madurai now in Tamil Nadu , where Meenakshi Amman Temple is.

    The distance is about 7460Kms and the western side the land stretched to Africa!( 700 Katham)

    In this area there were 49 Tamil Kingdoms, called Ezheezh Nadukal( 7*7 countries)…

    Note the Kumari Mountain , indicated by an arrow in the First Image, and it starts from what is the presently known as the Western Ghats and extends to Madagascar, where the Mascarene plateau lay in ancient times.

    Since Satyavrata Manu was meditating on t a higher plane because of the great flood, the Mascarene plateau   fits.

    As He is reported to have meditated in Malayamarutha, I am of the opinion that the Malayamarutha lay somewhere in  Mascarene plateau..

    The Mascarene Plateau is a submarine plateau in the Indian Ocean, north and east of Madagascar. The plateau extends approximately 2,000 km (1,200 mi), from the Seychelles in the north to Réunion in the south. The plateau covers an area of over 115,000 km2 (44,000 sq mi) of shallow water, with depths ranging from 8–150 m (30–490 ft), plunging to 4,000 m (13,000 ft) to the abyssal plain at its edges. It is the largest undersea plateau in the Indian Ocean…

    Mascarene Plateau with Mountains.jpg Mascare Plateau marked by a Circle and two other ellipical circles are Kumari Malai(Mountain and 90Degree Mountain).Image credit.Jayasreesaranathans Blog

    The northern part of the Mascarene plateau includes the Seychelles and Agaléga Islands. The southern part of the Mascarene plateau includes the Mascarene Islands, Saya de Malha Bank, Nazareth Bank, Soudan Banks, and Hawkins Bank. The Mascarene Islands are the mountainous islands of Mauritius, Réunion, Rodrigues, and the Cargados Carajos Shoals..

    The Indian subcontinent was at one time next to the east coast of the Seychelles, but seafloor spreading has moved the landmass to its current position, where it has collided and fused with the continent of Asia.

    The northern part of the Mascarene plateau is formed of granite, and is a fragment of the ancient supercontinent of Gondwana. The granite is topped with deposits of limestoneand basalt. The basalt deposits in the Seychelles are from the Deccan Traps eruption, which occurred in the central part of the Indian subcontinent 66 million years ago, at the end of the Cretaceous period.

    And this lies close to what was Thenmadurai.

    Location of Thenmadurai.bmp Location of Thenmadurai.Image credit,Jayasreesaranathans blog

    As the Malayamarutahm is recorded to have come from the south of Thenmadurai(South Madurai which is different from the Madurai in Tamil Nadu now), Satyavrata Manu , this could have been the Mountain range where Satyavrata Manu meditated .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mascarene_Plateau

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemuria_(continent)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumari_Kandam

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shraddhadeva_Manu

    https://ramanisblog.in/tag/malaya-mountains/

    https://ramanisblog.in/2015/10/26/rama-atlantis-war-kavatam-periplus-port-window-of-lemuria/

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  • Rama Atlantis War Kavatam Periplus Port Window Of Lemuria

    I have recently published an article Rama Atlantis War, where I had mentioned that Seth of Osiris lineage fought with Rama and Rama defeated him, thereby establishing the Rama Empire in Sumeria.

    Lemurian Land of Tamils Tamil Land.The arrow points at Kumari Mountain and the red dot Kapadapuram(Kavata).Image Credit jaysreesaranathan blog, Tamizhanthiravidana blog spot.

    Atlantis and Lemuria .jpg
    Atlantis and Lemuria Location.Image credit. alternative research.

    Atlantis Lemuria Location Map.

    Osiris’s son Horus entered into a treaty with Lord Rama to fight against Seth who usurped the Kingdom in Sumeria and Osiris also wanted to check the power of the Lemurians.

    Now Lemuria is called as Kumari Kandam in Tamil Literature and Tamil Literature abounds in Lemuria references.

    Please read my posts on this.

    If Horus and Rama had entered into a pact to defeat Seth and Lemurians, who were Lemurians and in what state had they had been?

    I remembered the description in Tamil of the Kumarikandam especially in the Sangam Literature and their assertion about the city of Kapadapuram, also called as Kavatam.

    ‘According to historians, Kuadam was very close to Tiruchendur. Abraham Pandithar says that Greeks in those days named it as Periplus port’ ( Wiki)

    The Tami land extended from Kapadapuram to Then Madurai.

    The distance is about 7460Kms and the western side the land stretched to Africa!( 700 Katham)

    In this area there were 49 Tamil Kingdoms, called Ezheezh Nadukal( 7*7 countries).

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    Adiyarkunallar mentions that the lost land extended from Pahruli river in the north to the Kumari river in the South. It was located to the south of Kanyakumari, and covered an area of 700 kavatam (a unit of unknown measurement). It was divided into 49 territories (natu), classified in the following seven categories:

    • Elu teñku natu (“Seven coconut lands”)
    • Elu Maturai natu (“Seven mango lands”)
    • Elu munpalai natu (“Seven front sandy lands”)
    • Elu pinpalai natu (“Seven back sandy lands”)
    • Elu kunra natu (“Seven hilly lands”)
    • Elu kunakarai natu (“Seven coastal lands”)
    • Elu kurumpanai natu (“Seven dwarf-palm lands”)(wiki)

    Many Tamil Hindu shrines have legendary accounts of surviving the floods mentioned in Hindu mythology. These include the prominent temples of Kanyakumari, Kanchipuram, Kumbakonam, Madurai, Sirkazhi and Tiruvottiyur.[8]:57–69 There are also legends of temples submerged under the sea, such as the Seven Pagodas of Mahabalipuram. The Puranas place the beginning of the most popular Hindu flood myth – the legend of Manu – in South India. The Sanskrit-language Bhagavata Purana (dated 500 BCE-1000 CE) describes its protagonist Manu (aka Satyavrata) as the Lord of Dravida (South India). TheMatsya Purana (dated 250–500 CE) also begins with Manu practicing tapas on Mount Malaya of South India.[8]:57 Manimeghalai (dated around 6th century CE) mentions that the ancient Chola port city of Kavirippumpattinam (present-day Puhar) was destroyed by a flood. It states that this flood was sent by the Hindu deity Indra, because the king forgot to celebrate a festival dedicated to him.

    There are refernces in Atlantis legends that the earth had an inner core populated with people.

    “The first is Mother Earth’s inner crust, which is a continuation of the external surface crust. The two Polar Regions each have a large entrance or hole, somewhat like a cored apple, and the crust wraps itself down and around the mantle into the hollow interior. The outer and inner crusts have very similar topography: Both comprise oceans, continents, mountain ranges, lakes, and rivers. It is merely that the inner crust faces the Earth’s core. This core glows and is surrounded by a cloudy veil. The light given off is more diffuse that the light of the Sun, so the daylight in inner Earth is softer and gentler than on the Earth’s external surface. The second main feature of inner Earth is the so-called cavern worlds. These are immense hollows within the mantle, some of which are natural features created by Mother Earth, while others were made using the advanced technology of inner Earth’s major society, the land of Aghartha. This land is the last living remnant of Earth’s second Galactic Federation colony, Lemuria.

    Lemuria, in her original form, was a surface society with a subterranean component. The primary capital city was situated on the large island that sank beneath the waves of the Pacific some 25,000 years ago. A secondary capital city was located in inner Earth. It was to this city that the government of Lemuria moved after the cataclysm. The new ruler of the surface, the Empire of Atlantis, ordered the major tunnel entrances to be sealed. It was only during the final days of Atlantis that the Lemurians broke these seals and thus saved many surface dwellers from certain death. These people formed a society that subsequently returned for a time to the surface and became the Rama Empire situated in Southern Asia. Then the Great Flood of 8,000 BC ended this attempt to save humanity from the dark ways of the Anunnaki. Despite this setback, Lemuria persisted in her role of protecting the surface world from these havoc-wreaking rapscallions. It was her galactic emissaries that maintained membership for this solar system in the Galactic Federation.

    After the Great Flood and the demise of the Rama Empire, the Lemurians regrouped and named their newly combined society Aghartha. The capital Shamballah was relocated to a cavern located far beneath the city of Lhasa in modern Tibet. Many tunnels connect Shamballah to the surface in the Himalayas. These were used by holy men who came to spread their great energy and divine wisdom to the outside world. In this area, an extraordinary place was kept for special occasions, where holy men and their chosen disciples met in order to maintain Mother Earth’s sacred energy grids. This work, together with numerous rituals performed daily throughout inner Earth, is largely responsible for keeping alive the divine energy that is Lemuria’s main legacy to the surface peoples of Mother Earth. Lemuria, and later on Aghartha, have continuously held the Light for your transformation back into fully conscious Beings of Light.”( Source. http://www.paoweb.com/sn020706.htm)

    The term Kapatam means Window.

    Probably the reference in the Atlantis legend means Kapadapuram when they say Lemurians emerge from the sea.

    The Kapadapuram was established by  a Tamil Pandya King .

    ‘With this loss of the large territories of the Pandiya country and the demise the Paandiya king Kadungkon, the next successor to Paandiyan throne was the king Paandiyan Nediyoan. This king escaped the great disaster and moved more towards the north and captured many new regions including parts of Chera and Chola countries and made them into a new Pandiyan country.

    He distributed the captured lands to his subjects who met the loss of their own lands but possibly escaped this great tragedy, made him get the title “Nilam Tharu Thiruvit Pandiyan” (which means: “the Pandiyan who made the kind gesture of lands”) and as “Nilam Tharu Thiruvit Nediyoan”.

    The Paandiyan king Nediyon built his new capital city at Kapaadapuram (Kavaadam) closer to the sea. The Paandiyan king with a view of preventing further sea disasters had a festival in celeberation for the Sea God, and hence he was known as “Munneer Vilavu Nediyon” (Munner Vilavu = Sea (God) celeberation) and also as “Vadivalamba nintra Paandiyan”.

    He also excavated a new artificial river named “Pahruli Aaru” flowing through the city of Kapaadapuram towards the sea of the Indian Ocean possibly to make the region fertile and self sufficient in water.

    He also re-organised the Second Thamil Sangam at Kapaadapuram and as an initial measure requested the renowned Tamil Poet of the period the Tholkaappianaar to compose a new Tamil Grammer, as the original Tamil Grammer composed during the period of first Thamil Sangam by the great Poet Agaththiyar known as Ahaththiyam, apparently was lost in the great Land Slide in which the first capital city ‘Then Mathurai’ (South Mathurai) also known as “Naan maadak Koodal” went under sea.

    (Source.  http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?9994-A-brief-study-on-the-Pandiyas-(Paandiyar)-of-the-quot-Second-Sangam-quot-Period-of-Tamil-Nadu)

    “. The new ruler of the surface, the Empire of Atlantis, ordered the major tunnel entrances to be sealed. It was only during the final days of Atlantis that the Lemurians broke these seals and thus saved many surface dwellers from certain death. These people formed a society that subsequently returned for a time to the surface and became the Rama Empire situated in Southern Asia. Then the Great Flood of 8,000 BC ended this attempt to save humanity from the dark ways of the Anunnaki.”

    The Atlantis people’ sealing the Lemurians’ probably means the Mascarene plateau.

    Lemuria existed south of this plateau, which was consumed by the sea about 6000 years ago.

    The surfacing of Rama dynasty may indicate the fact that Satyavrata Manu ancestor of Rama had migrated to Ayodhya(whose son Ikshvaku founded the Ikshvaku Dynasty) and the subsequent emergence of Lord Rama and His Kingdom.

    One may note that the Ramayana and the Puranas call the Tamil areas as Dravida, meaning South, Dasyu, meaning who do not follow all the percepts of Sanatana Dharma( though they were practicing Sanatana Dharma they were not Fire (Agni) worshipers),and Viswamitra banished his sons to the south directing them to go to the Dasyu Land.

    Normally this area has been taken as stretching from the Vindhyas, but due to the emergence of the Fact about Mascarene Plataeu , the reference may be to Manscarene plateau

    To sum up,

    The Lemurians (Tamils) were in existence during the Ramayana Period,

    Their land was extended to Then Madurai from Kapadapuram.

    They were a part of the Rama Empire,

    the Tamil Timeline is,

    1. Mathivanan, then Chief Editor of the Tamil Etymological Dictionary Project of the Government of Tamilnadu, in 1991 … the following timeline …:ca. 200,000 to 50,000 BC: evolution of “the Tamilian or Homo Dravida”,
      ca. 200,000 to 100,000 BC: beginnings of the Tamil language
      50,000 BC: Kumari Kandam civilisation
      20,000 BC: A lost Tamil culture of the Easter Island which had an advanced civilisation
      16,000 BC: Lemuria submerged
      6087 BC: Second Tamil Sangam established by a Pandya king
      3031 BC: A Chera prince in his wanderings in the Solomon Island saw wild sugarcane and started cultivation in Tamilnadu.
      1780 BC: The Third Tamil Sangam established by a Pandya king
      7th century BC: Tolkappiyam (the earliest extant Tamil grammer)…

    The continent was destroyed by three large floods which wiped out most of the golden civilization with it:

    Source. http://thelostcontinent-kumarikandam.blogspot.in/

    • Inputs welcome.

    Ref.

    http://thamizhan-thiravidana.blogspot.in/2011/03/46-2.html

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  • South North Siddhas Misinformation.Correct List

    South North Siddhas Misinformation.Correct List

    I would call it criminal to assign Religion,Region, Caste, and language to Siddhas and Yogis.

    This is exactly what has happened in india regarding Siddhars.

    We have Tamil Siddhars,North indian Siddhas,Maha Purusha, Yogins of North India,Yogis of South india,Islamic Siddhars et al.

    Siddas are Realized Souls, who transcend Time and Space.

    They have no religion , caste , creed and do not belong to any one specifically but to Humanity.

    This business of categorising them was stated by the Britishers as a part of dismantling Hinduism.

    I have a few Posts on this issue.

    The Missionaries in their effort to demolish Sanatana Dharam assumed Indian/Hindu Identities beginning with Robert De Nobili in Tamil Nadu.

    They infiltrated into Hinduism under the garb of embracing it,learnt the local languages and Sanskrit , misinterpreted,misinformed, created forgeries of Hindu Literature ,apart from producing Christian literature modled afer Hindu Texts.

    Thus they call the Bible as Vedaagamam. have even Jesus Sahasra nama!

    These interpolations have resulted in the pollution of Indian Texts.

    They have not spared even the Vedas, with Max Mueller leading the pack

    Please check out my Post on Max Muller the Fraud’s quotes.

    As it is Sanatana Dharma Texts do not have a written tradition.

    They are transmitted orally.

    So when some one embraces your Religion, pretend respect for it and prepares a written of these texts, people tend to take it as the Truth.

    This is what happened to Hinduism and specifically to the Treasures of Siddhas.

    Even to-day a Siddha  is considered by many as charlatans!

    How does one correct this?

    By producing the original records from the Oral Tradition.

    I am trying to do this.

    Eightty four Siddhas.jpg Charurasi Siddhas.

    I must admit I have posted a few articles on Tamil Siddhars,North Indian Siddhas List ,guilty of the accusation I am making of these interpolators.

    I have given these titles because people would read and understand only these terms as they have been fed on this.

    Now to the Truth.

    A Siddha is one who has transcended Citta.

    Chitta is higher than Intellect.

    Activity of he Brain in Mind.

    Direction of the Mind is by the Intellect.

    Chitta is on a Higher plane than Intellect, Buddhi.

    Please refer my Posts on Yoga Sutras.

    Patanjali defines Yoga as the cessation of the modifications of Chitta,

    Yogaha, Chitta Vrutti Nirodhah.

    Sidhhars are people who have transcended the Chitta and as such are were caled Chittas.

    Also there are eight special powers come on the way to Self Realization.

    They are Eight in number, called Ashtama Siddhis.

    Please refer my post for more details.

    The Siddhas, having realized the self , have transcended even these Siddhis.

    That is also a reason why they are called Siddas.

    So any realized Soul who meets this criteria is a Siddha.

    How does one identify a Siddha?

    I shall be posting on this shortly.

    Hence there is no caste,creed,for the  Siddhas.

    They are reported to be Timeless .

    They can speak in any language.

    For some reason they choose a particular language, Tamil, Hindi, Sanskrit and others.

    That does not mean they  belong to one group.

    And there is this seed sown by the west.

    Some Siddhas have attained Realization by following Buddhism, especially Mahayana.

    So they are shown as a distinct group.

    This is incorrect.

    A Siddha is a Siddha whether he followed Hinduism or Buddhism.

    Please read my Posts on Siddhas, Siddhas of North India Guru Parampara,Bhogar to get a complete picture of Indian Siddhas

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    Abhayadatta Sri is an Indian scholar of the 12th century who is attributed with recording the hagiographies of the eighty-four siddha in a text known as The History of the Eighty-four Mahasiddha (Sanskrit: Caturasitisiddha pravrtti; Wylie: grub thob brgyad bcu tsa bzhi’i lo rgyus).

    Dowman holds that the eighty-four Mahasiddha are spiritual archetypes:

    The number eighty-four is a “whole” or “perfect” number. Thus the eighty-four siddhas can be seen as archetypes representing the thousands of exemplars and adepts of the tantric way. The siddhas were remarkable for the diversity of their family backgrounds and the dissimilarity of their social roles. They were found in every reach of the social structure: kings and ministers, priests and yogins, poets and musicians, craftsmen and farmers, housewives and whores.[2]

    Reynolds (2007) states that the mahasiddha tradition “evolved in North India in the early Medieval Period (3–13 cen. CE). Philosophically this movement was based on the insights revealed in the Mahayana Sutras and as systematized in the Madhyamaka and Chittamatrin schools of philosophy, but the methods of meditation and practice were radically different than anything seen in the monasteries.[3] He proffers that the mahasiddha tradition “broke with the conventions of Buddhist monastic life of the time, and abandoning the monastery they practiced in the caves, the forests, and the country villages of Northern India. In complete contrast to the settled monastic establishment of their day, which concentrated the Buddhist intelligenzia [sic.] in a limited number of large monastic universities, they adopted the life-style of itinerant mendicants, much as the wandering Sadhus of modern India.”[3]

    The charnel ground conveys how great mahasiddhas in the Nath and Vajrayana traditions such as Tilopa (988–1069) and Gorakshanath (fl. 11th – 12th century) yoked adversity to till the soil of the path and accomplish the fruit, the “ground” (Sanskrit: āśraya; Wylie: gzhi) of realization:[4]

    The charnel ground is not merely the hermitage; it can also be discovered or revealed in completely terrifying mundane environments where practitioners find themselves desperate and depressed, where conventional worldly aspirations have become devastated by grim reality. This is demonstrated in the sacred biographies of the great siddhas of the Vajrayāna tradition. Tilopa attained realization as a grinder of sesame seeds and a procurer for a prominent prostitute. Sarvabhakṣa was an extremely obese glutton, Gorakṣa was a cowherd in remote climes, Taṅtepa was addicted to gambling, and Kumbharipa was a destitute potter. These circumstances were charnel grounds because they were despised in Indian society and the siddhas were viewed as failures, marginal and defiled.

    …..

    The Caturasiti-siddha-pravrtti (CSP), “The Lives of the Eighty-four Siddhas”, compiled by Abhayadatta Sri, a Northern Indian Sanskrit text dating from the 11th or 12th century, comes from a tradition prevalent in the ancient city-state of Campa in the modern district of Bihar. Only Tibetan translations of this Sanskrit text seem to have survived. This text was translated into Tibetan by sMon grub Shes rab and is known as the Grub thob brgyad cu rtsa bzhi’i lo rgyus or “The Legends of the Eighty-four Siddhas”. It has been suggested that Abhayadatta Sri is identical with the great Indian scholar Mahapandita Abhayakaragupta (late 11th–early 12th century), the compiler of the iconographic compendiums Vajravali, Nispannayogavali, and Jyotirmanjari.

    The other major Tibetan tradition is based on the list contained in the Caturasiti-siddhabhyarthana (CSA) by Ratnakaragupta of Vajrasana, identical with Bodhgaya (Tib.: rDo rje gdan) located in Bihar, Northern India. The Tibetan translation is known as Grub thob brgyad cu rtsa bzhi’i gsol ’debs by rDo rje gdan pa. There exist several Tibetan versions of the list of mahasiddhas based on the Vajrasana text. However, these Tibetan texts differ in many cases with regard to the Tibetan transcriptions of the Indian mahasiddhas names.

    By convention there are eighty-four Mahasiddhas in both Hindu and Tibetan Buddhist traditions, with some overlap between the two lists. The number is congruent with the number of siddhi or occult powers held in the Indian Religions. In Tibetan Buddhist art they are often depicted together as a matched set in works such as thangka paintings where they may be used collectively as border decorations around a central figure.

    Each Mahasiddha has come to be known for certain characteristics and teachings, which facilitates their pedagogical use. One of the most beloved Mahasiddhas is Virupa, who may be taken as the patron saint of the Sakyapa sect and instituted the Lamdré (Tibetan: lam ‘bras) teachings. Virupa (alternate orthographies: Birwapa/Birupa) lived in 9th century India and was known for his great attainments.

    Some of the methods and practices of the Mahasiddha were codified in Buddhist scriptures known as Tantras. Traditionally the ultimate source of these methods and practices is held to be the historical Buddha Shakyamuni, but often it is a transhistorical aspect of the Buddha or deity Vajradhara or Samantabhadra who reveals the Tantra in question directly to the Mahasiddha in a vision or whilst they dream or are in a trance. This form of the deity is known as a sambhogakaya manifestation. The sadhana of Dream Yoga as practiced in Dzogchen traditions such as the Kham, entered the Himalayan tantric tradition from the Mahasiddha, Ngagpa and Bonpo. Dream Yoga or “Milam” (T:rmi-lam; S:svapnadarśana), is one of the Six Yogas of Naropa.[citation needed]

    Four of the eighty-four Mahasiddhas are women.[9] They are:

    • Manibhadra, the Perfect Wife
    • Lakshmincara, The Princess of Crazy wisdom
    • Mekhala, the elder of the 2 Headless Sisters
    • Kanakhala, the younger of the 2 Headless Sisters.

    Citations.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahasiddha#Genealogy_and_historical_dates

    http://yogindr.blogspot.in/2014/03/chaurasi-siddhas.html

    Please read a scholarly article on Siddhas being misinterpreted at the Link given below.

    http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/essays/siddhas.asp

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  • Manu Dravida Ancestor Precedes Daksha Dravida Sanatana Dharma

    Manu Dravida Ancestor Precedes Daksha Dravida Sanatana Dharma

    I was intrigued by the fact that the Shiva worship starts with Daksha, who is the first Human being by Brahma for each Yuga.

    And Daksha Kingdom was in the North of the Vindhyas.

    Daksha’s daughter married Shiva.Daksha with Veerabhadra.jpg “Painting on paper depicting ‘Virabhadra The red-hued deity is coiffed exactly like Śiva. This is an unusual rendering of Virabhadra. The face of the Ganga peeps out of the dreadlocks, while loose jatas fly around his head. On his forehead is a prominent tripundra. Side fangs protrude from his mouth and a bushy moustache grows on his upper lip. In his upper right hand is a damaru, in his upper left hand a flame, the lower right hand carries a sword and the lower left a buckler. The attributes in his upper hands are unusual, as they generally bear the bow and the arrow. He is dressed in a dhoti adorned by sashes on the sides and an angavastra is draped on his elbows. Among his ornaments is a long white garland. On his feet are toe-knob sandals. At his left stands the ram-headed Daksha, sporting tripundra marks on his forehead and arms dressed in dhoti and with the angavastra tied around his hips.” Image credit.”Virabhadra Daksha” by Unknown – http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/search_the_collection_database/search_object_details.aspx?objectid=3058344&partid=1&output=Places%2f!!%2fOR%2f!!%2f41361%2f!%2f41361-2-20%2f!%2fPainted+in+Thanjavur%2f!%2f%2f!!%2f%2f!!!%2f&orig=%2fresearch%2fsearch_the_collection_database%2fadvanced_search.aspx&currentPage=1&numpages=10. Licensed under Public Domain via Wikimedia Commons – https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Virabhadra_Daksha.jpg#/media/File:Virabhadra_Daksha.jpg’

    Vishnu worship seems to have been later than that of Shiva in the South, Dravida worship.

    Rama’s ancestor Satyavrata Manu migrated from the South to Ayodhya, where his son Ikshvaku founded the Ikshvaku Dynasty..

    If Daksha were to be the first Human being created then how do we account for Manu?

    Manu seems to pre date Daksha as,

    1.Daksha came later, in the beginning of the Yuga, whereas Manu is for Manvantara.

    A Manu’s lifespan is 71 Mahayugas (306,720,000 years).

    ‘Yuga  is the name of an epoch or era within a four age cycle. According to Hindu cosmology, life in the universe is created and destroyed once every 4.1 to 8.2 billion years,] which is one full day and night for Brahma. The lifetime of Brahma himself believed to be 311 trillion and 40 billion years as per Hindu cosmology.’

    Manus and Saptha Rishis are for every Manvantara..

    One of the Saptha Rishis is Agastya.

    ‘The earliest list of the Seven Rishis is given by Jaiminiya Brahmana 2.218-221: Vashista, Bharadvaja, Jamadagni, Gautama, Atri,Visvamitra, and Agastya, followed by Brihadaranyaka Upanisad 2.2.6 with a slightly different list: Gautama and Bharadvāja, Viśvāmitra and Jamadagni, Vashiṣṭha and Kaśyapa, and Atri, Brighu. The late Gopatha Brāhmana 1.2.8 has Vashiṣṭa, Viśvāmitra, Jamadagni, Gautama, Bharadvāja, Gungu, Agastya, Bhrighu and Kaśyapa..’

    We find Agastya in the South advising Rama in the battle field not to lose heart and chant Adhitya Hrudayam on Lord Surya to win the war against Ravana.

    Then we have Lord Shiva as the Father of Tamil Language.

    Of course Sanskrit is also from Shiva’s Damaru, Maheswara Sutras.(Please read m Post on this)

    We find the legends of Shiva in the north from the marriage of Sati ,daughter of Daksha with Shiva.

    Nothing more of Shiva is mentioned in these North Indian Legends.

    Manus, Hinduism.Jpg Manus

    ‘In The Immortals of Meluha, Manu is said to be a prince from south India. His family, the Pandyas having ruled the mythical land of Sangamatamil for many generations. The decadence of the Kings incurred the wrath of the gods. A great deluge submerged the entire civilization. Manu having foreseen this escaped with his followers to the higher northern lands. Manu turned into an ascetic. Eventually Manu’s prayers pacified the gods and the water abated.

    In the South Shiva worship has been in vogue much earlier as Adi Shiva, The Silent Teacher,Dakshina Murthy,First Yogi who initiated Agastya, who initiated Bhogar and Kriya Babaji.

    The we have Lord Subrahmanya called as Murugan and His worship is quite old.

    Though the Tamil Grammar, earliest of Tamil works assigns Varuna, Indra, Vishnu, Murugan(Subrahmanya), and Devi to each of the landmass , Kurinji,Marutham, Mullai, Neydhal and Palai, Shiva always remains in the background as the Chief.

    He is called as the Ancient of the Ancients.

    ‘Munnai Pazhamprutkum Munnaip Pazham Porule’

    He is also called Pirva Yaakaip Periyon’

    That is Eldest though Unborn.

    Sanskrit also calls Him as Ayonija, one who does not stay in the womb.

    We have a lot of references to the South in the Puranas and Ithihasas about Tamils.

    ‘Srimad
    Bhagavatam 11.5.38-40
    kritadishu praja rajan
    kalav icchanti sambhavam
    kalau khalu bhavishyanti
    narayana-parayanah
    kvacit kvacin maha-raja
    dravideshu ca bhurisah
    tamraparni nadi yatra
    kritamala payasvini
    kaveri ca maha-punya
    pratici ca maha-nadi
    ye pibanti jalam tasam
    manuja manujesvara
    prayo bhakta bhagavati
    vasudeve ‘malasayah
    SYNONYMS
    krita- adishu — of Satya and the
    other earlier ages; prajah — the
    inhabitants; rajan — O King; kalau —
    in Kali-yuga; icchanti — they want;
    sambhavam — birth; kalau — in Kali;
    khalu — certainly; bhavishyanti —
    there will be; narayana- parayanah —
    devotees who dedicate their lives to
    the service of Lord Narayana; kvacit
    kvacit — here and there; maha-raja —
    O great monarch; dravideshu — in
    the provinces of South India; ca —
    but; bhurisah — especially
    plentifully; tamraparni — named
    Tamraparni; nadi — the river; yatra —
    where; kritamala — Kritamala;
    payasvini — Payasvini; kaveri —
    Kaveri; ca — and; maha- punya —
    extremely pious; pratici — named
    Pratici; ca — and; maha-nadi — the
    Mahanadi; ye — those who; pibanti —
    drink; jalam — the water; tasam — of
    these; manujah — humans; manuja-
    isvara — O lord of men (Nimi);
    prayah — for the most part; bhaktah
    — devotees; bhagavati — of the
    Personality of Godhead; vasudeve —
    Lord Vasudeva; amala- asayah —
    having spotless hearts.
    TRANSLATION
    My dear King, the inhabitants of
    Satya-yuga and other ages eagerly
    desire to take birth in this age of
    Kali, since in this age there will be
    many devotees of the Supreme Lord,
    Narayana. These devotees will
    appear in various places but will be
    especially numerous in South India.
    O master of men, in the age of Kali
    those persons who drink the waters
    of the holy rivers of Dravida-desa,
    such as the Tamraparni, Krtamala,
    Payasvini, the extremely pious Kaveri
    and the Pratici Mahanadi, will
    almost all be purehearted devotees(
    of the Supreme Personality of
    Godhead, Vasudeva.(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvars)

    ..

    ाः तस्याम्
    दिशि सुदुर्गमाः |
    कपीइशः कपि मुख्यानाम् स तेषाम्
    समुदाहरत् || ४-४१-७
    7. tasyaam dishi = in that, direction
    of compass; su dur gamaaH = verily,
    impossible, to pass – highly
    impassable; ye ke cana = which of
    those few; sam ut deshaaH = well,
    intended, countries – some countries
    that need be explained; about them;
    saH kapi iishaH = he that, monkeys,
    king of – Sugreeva; teSaam kapi
    mukhyaanaam = to them, monkey,
    prominent ones; sam udaaharat =
    well, illustrated – gave a picture of.
    The king of monkeys Sugreeva gave a
    picture about some of the highly
    impassable countries available in
    southern quarter that need an
    introduction to those prominent
    monkeys bound south. [4-41-7]

    सहस्र शिरसम् विंध्यम् नाना द्रुम
    लता आयुतम् |
    नर्मदाम् च नदीम् रम्याम् महोरग
    निषेविताम् || ४-४१-८
    ततो गोदावरीम् रम्याम् कृष्णावेणीम्
    महानदीम् |
    वरदाम् च महाभागाम् महोरग
    निषेविताम् |
    मेखलान् उत्कलाम् चैव दशार्ण
    नगराणि अपि || ४-४१-९
    अब्रवंतीम् अवंतीम् च सर्वम् एव अनुपश्यत
    |
    विदर्भान् ऋष्टिकान् चैव रम्यान्
    माहिषकान् अपि || ४-४१-१०
    8. sahasra shirasam = thousands, of
    heads [crests]; naanaa druma lataa
    aayutam = numerous, trees,
    climbers, abounding in; vindhyam =
    Vindhya Range; mahaa uraga ni
    Sevitaam = great, snakes, adored by;
    ramyaam narmadaam nadiim ca =
    delightful one, Narmada, river, also;
    tataH = then; ramyaam godaavariim
    = wonderful one, River Godavari;
    mahaanadiim = River Mahaanadi;
    kR^iSNaaveNiim = River Krishnaveni,
    or Krishna; mahaa bhaagaam =
    highly, auspicious one; mahaa uraga
    niSevitaam = by great, snakes,
    adored by; varadaam ca = River
    Varada, also; mekhalaan utkalaam
    caiva = Mekhala, Utkala [in
    territories,] also thus; dashaarNa
    nagaraaNi api = Dashaarna, in cities,
    also; abravantiim avantiim ca =
    Abravanti, Avanti, also; vidarbhaan
    R^iSTikaan caiva = Vidarbha,
    Rishtika, also, thus; ramyaan
    maahiSakaan api = charming
    [kingdom,] in Maheeshaka, even;
    sarvam eva anu pashyata = all
    [everywhere,] thus, closely, see –
    search thoroughly.
    “Search the thousand crested
    Vindhya mountains abounding with
    numerous tress and climbers, then
    the delightful Narmada river
    coursing a little southerly to that
    range, which is adored by great
    snakes, along with wonderful River
    Godavari, as well as River
    Krishnaveni and Maha Nadi, and
    then the greatly auspicious River
    Varada which is an adoration to
    great snakes. And the territories of
    Mekhala, Utkala, the cities of
    Dashaarna, kingdoms of Abravanti,
    Avanti, and Vidarbha, also thus the
    charming kingdom of Maheehaka, are
    to be searched thoroughly. [4-41-10] Valmiki Ramayana Valmiki Ramayana – Kishkindha Kanda – Sarga 41

    We have references to a Tamil King Perunchotru Udiyan Cheralaathan performing Tharpana for the dead in the Mahabharata War in Chera Kingdom.

    He also provided food for both Kaurva and Pandava Armies during the Mahabharata war.

    Vedas mention the spices , Peacocks, Special sandalwood.elephants being imported from the South.

    During Draupadi Swayamvara Tamil Kings were present.

    Tamil Kingas attended Rama and Sita Marriage at Mithila.

    The vanaras were in Kishkinta pre dating Rama and were Shiva worshipers.

    Hanuman is one and is considered to be an Amsa of Shiva, some say He is an Avatar of Shiva.

    Considering all these facts and admitting these facts provided by the Vedas,Puranas,Ramayana and Mahabharata, it is quite probable that he Sanatana Dharma was in place much before what is found in the North.

    Please refer my posts on Shiva’s Marriage date. Agastya Date, Ramayana Mahabharata Dates,Ram’s ancestor Satavrata Manu being a Dravida,Thiruvannamalai Billion Year Old and many more.

    Inputs welcome.

    Citation.

    http://historum.com/asian-history/63682-rama-king-cholar-solar-dynasty-9.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manu_(Hinduism)#Lifespan

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daksha

    The references in Sanskrit on Tamil are numerous.

    I have quoted only a few.

    Tamil references on Sanana Dharma, Vedas, Ramayana and Mahabharata are much more.

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    Transcript.

    Have you ever seen a 750 year old sculpture in an Indian temple carved wearing high heels? One of the most surprising sculptures I’ve ever seen is from Konark Sun Temple in Odisha which was built at least 750 years ago. You can see here that this beautiful woman is carved with high heels on both her legs.

    This is absolutely incredible, because European women started to wear high heels or platform shoes for beauty only after 1600 A.D. And this temple was built around 1250 A.D which is 350 years before that time. People from around the world have worn platform shoes for different purposes like horse riding etc., but you can see that this woman is just wearing this to look beautiful while posing for the sculptor.

    If you watch carefully, you can even see a strap on the ankle that secures the shoe. Now, compare this with modern day high heels and it is almost an exact match. This is not the only carving in this temple and you can see a few others where the women are proudly showing off their high-heeled footwear.

    I have tried to search online if anyone knew about this, but it seems to be an unknown fact that ancient Indian women wore fancy shoes like these. This information is not mentioned anywhere including Wikipedia, so I think this has remained a secret for many centuries.

    Does this mean that ancient Indian women were very advanced in terms of fashion? I would say yes, because you can also see quite a few sculptures where the women are shown looking at their personal hand-held mirrors. Again, remember that we are looking at a temple that was built 750 years ago and women must had had personal mirrors in every household at that time. Compare this with a modern day woman who carries a small mirror in her purse. These gadgets are perceived as European inventions but from these carvings, it is quite possible that Indian women also carried portable mirrors many centuries ago. There are many such sculptures of Indian women getting dolled up all over India, so it is fair to say that they focused on their beauty a lot.

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