Murugan Teaches Shiva Pranava Veda Swamymalai

It is traditional to recognize Four Vedas , the Scripture of the Hindus.

There are references in the Vedas and Tamil literature that that there is a Fifth Veda.

The Vedas are the uswaasa and Viswaasa of Brahma , the Creator.

Murugan Teaching Shiva Samymalai
Murugan Teaching Shiva

That is from the Inhalation and Exhalation of the  Breath of Brahma.

Vedas came from the Five Heads of Brahma.

Brahma , Puranas assert, had Five Heads and one was removed by Lord Shiva because of Brahma’s arrogance , His effort to Create , and assume that He is the Supreme Lord.

This happened after Brahma’s evolution from the Naabhi, Belly Button of Lord Vishnu.

On His emergence Brahma was commanded by Vishnu to meditate and begin Creation.

When Brahma started meditating on Brahman , the Reality, His breath came out as The Vedas.

As He had five heads then, Five Vedas came into Being.

After the censure by Shiva the Fifth Veda was lost as Brahma’s head was removed by Shiva.

This Veda is the Pranava Veda.

The Chandogya Upanishad.


It states that there is another Veda, the Fifth veda.


‘itihāsapurāṇaṃ pañcamaṃ vedānāṃ’

-Chandogya Upanishad (7.1.2)


It is one thing for an Ithihasa or agreat literary work to be called a Veda, as a  tribute; but a Upanishad, a part of Veda, declaring that there is another Veda, is intriguing.

‘the Mahabharata declares itself a new Veda for a new era, intended for all people, and which is the equal of, and in some ways superior to, the four canonical Vedas.The other major Hindu epic, the Ramayana, also makes a claim to be the fifth Veda’

The Bhagavata Purana elaborates on the Chandogya Upanishad’s statement concerning the fifth, by stating that after the four Vedas emerged from each of Brahma’s four mouths, the fifth Veda – itihasapurana – emerged from his fifth mouth[1] or all his mouths.[6] It then declares itself supreme over all other puranas, on the grounds that it was Vyasa’s crowning achievement.[5] Similarly, the Skandapurana, too, suggests that the puranas are the Fifth Veda, thus giving itself scriptural authority


There is another view that this fifth Veda is called the Pranava Veda and it was from the Pranava ‘OM’


Eighty-four year old V. Ganapati Sthapati, is a renowned architect and sculptor.
Ganapati Sthapati’s range of accomplishments is extraordinary. He has designed and built more than 600 temples in India and the U.S., the U.K., Australia, Singapore, Malaysia, Fiji, Sri Lanka and Kenya. He was the architect of Swaminatha Swami Murugan temple, popularly called Malai Mandir, situated on a hillock at Ramakrishnapuram, New Delhi.’He asserts that the controversy over which language is older – Sanskrit or Tamil – is needless. He calls Sanskrit “the classical language of sculptors.” He will build a Veda Mandapam in the University to teach not only the Rig, Yajur, Sama and Atharva Vedas but also the Pranava Veda in Tamil. He estimates that the Pranava Veda is older than the other four Vedas. Ganapati Sthapati has already recorded on audio-tape the 50,000 stanzas of the Prananva Veda. He is keen that the Tamil Nadu Government should publish it and spread it.’

“The Pranava Veda is the first Veda and the “source Veda.” Dr. V. Ganapati Sthapati explains, “A good deal of evidences is available both in Tamil as well as in Sanskrit works, particularly in Srimat Bhagavatam and Skandam about the remote existence of Pranava Veda. This Veda was later on called the science of Vastu (energy) and Vaastu (embodied energy), which is gaining much popularity today across the globe.”

Dr. V. Ganapati Sthapati goes on to say that Veda Vyasa himself said in the Bhagavatam:

“eka eva pura vedo pranavha sarva vangmayha”
(9th skandha, 14th chapter, sloka 48 of Bhagavatam)

This phrase by Veda Vyasa, the compiler of the present day Vedas, means that there was only one Veda in the remote past and that Veda is called Pranava Veda – the Veda of the shilpis of India. Artharva Sheershopanishad makes mention of the term “Pranava” as being “ongara” – the all-pervasive substance.

The Fifth Veda Pranava Veda Ramni’s blog

Now there are references in the Purnas, especially the Skanda purana about Lord Subrahmanya teaching Lord Shiva, His Father the meaning of Vedas.

And the place where He is reported to have done the Upadesa is Swamymalai, near Kumbakonam,Tamil Nadu.

Swamynathan, Lord Subrahmanya
Swamynathan, Lord Subrahmanya at Swamy malai

This is one of the famous six temples dedicated to Lord Subrahmanya.,Arupadai Veedu in Tamil which means one of the six places which leads to Moksha, Self Realization, padai means regualating in ancient Tamil, refer Thirumurugatrupadai by Nakkeeran of Sangam Period.

Because Kaarthikeya, called Murugan in Tamil,taught the precept of the Veda to Shiva, Guru of Gurus, a realized souls Brahmin, Murugan, meaning most beautiful, came to be known as Subrahmanya, The best among Brahmins, those who realized brahman, the Reality.

He is also called Swamynathan, the Leader of leaders,

Traditional accounts brush aside this stating that Subrahmanya explained the meaning of Pranava the letters A, U and M.

To me this seems too simple an explanation for the Four Vedas contain detailed of Pranava in the Upanishads.

Then what did Subrahmanya impart to Shiva , His Father ?

It should have been the the Fifth Veda, the Pranava Veda, which was  lost when Brahma’s head as removed y Shiva.

Pranava Veda went out of circulation  and Subrahmanya must have remind Shiva of this at Swamymalai..

Please read my articles on Shiva a Man, Pre Sanatana Worship of Shiva.

Will be writing more on this.

Pranava Veda Text Ganapathi Sthpathai


How to reach.

Airport. Tiruchirapalli.

Railway Station. Swamymalai. neaer by stations kumbakonam, Mayuram.

Bus Station. Kumbakonam, Tiruchi, Mayuram.

Worship Time :

Period Timing
Morning Open 05:00 A.M
Morning Close 12:00 Noon
Evening Open 04:00 P.M
Evening Close 10:00 P.M


Pooja Time :

Pooja Timing
Usha Kalam 06:00 A.M
Kalasandhi 09:00 A.M
Uchikala Poojas 12:00 Noon
Sayaratchai 05:30 P.M
Rendam kalam 08:00 P.M
Arthajama pooja 10:00 P.M

Image credit.

Temple information credit.

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