I have been searching for information on the Saudi History for the Pre Islamic period.
It is difficult to come by.
All the information relates to the Saudi Kingdom and the founding of the Royal Family of Saudi Arabia.
No information at all about the ancient Arabia, while one knows from the Sanskrit and Tamil Classics that there was a close interaction between the People of India and of Arabia.
The nation says it has over 10,000 (?) historical sites , but they are coy about what they contain.
I am trying to collate a lot of information on the subject and shall come out with a comprehensive article on Saudi Arabian History.
As it happens with me, I stumbled to some information which is worth writing about.
Lord Vishnu’s Feet have been found on Humayun Tomb.
And the Humayun tomb was built on a Vishnu Pada Temple.
Stephen Knapp had published a Photo of this.
Here it is.
Vishnu’s footprint’ in the so-called Humayun Tomb, New Delhi. This photo is reproduced from page 78 of “The World of Ancient India,” translated into English (from G. Le Bon’s original French book published in the 19th century) by David Macrae, Tudor Publishing co., New York, 1974.
This photo proves that the so-called Humayun mausoleum is an ancient Hindu temple palace. Inquiries with archaeologists in Delhi drew a blank They have never seen these footprints, which indicates that they are heir to a lot of non-information and mis-information. Humayun is not at all buried in Delhi. According to Farishta’s chronicle (English translation by John Briggs, Vol. II, page 174) Humayun is buried in Agra, while according to Abul Fazal (Elliot & Dowson, Vol. VI, page 22) Humayun lies buried in Sirhind.
Vishus Feet in Humayun Tomb, Delhi,India. Image from Stephen Knapp.
Humayun was buried in Purana Qila, but, according to some scholars, the emperor’s remains were removed from there to a supurdgah or temporary tomb in Sirhind when Hemu advanced upon Delhi in 1556 and the Mughals had to vacate the city. He was reburied in the Sher Mandal again when Akbar defeated Hemu, and was moved into the mausoleum erected in 1569 by his widow, Haji Begum, also known as Bega Begum, at an estimated cost of rupees fifteen lakhs…
Ancient Temple Pillars were used as construction material. A view of Humayun Tomb’s rampart.
A photo reproduced from page 78 of ‘The World of Ancient India’ English shows that the site where the so called Humayun Tomb stands today was the site of an ancient Vishnu Temple. The book ‘World of Ancient India’ was translated from Dr. Gustave Le Bon’s original French work by the name ‘Les Monuments de L’Inde’ published in Paris in 1893. The English Translation was published by David Macrae, Tudor Publishing Co., (New York) in 1974. ‘Vishnu Pada’ (विष्णुपद) or ‘Vishnu Charan’ (विष्णुचरण) temples are significant in context of the legend that Vishnu in the form of Vamana strode across the world and planted his feet at three sites on earth.
Notice the ‘elephant head’ engravings at the bottom of the pillar – a characteristic of Vedic and Hindu art.Hindu Art in Humayun Tomb
...Dr. Gustave Le Bon writes that the site of the Humayun Tomb was the site of an ancient Vishnu Temple. Here is the photograph of the Vishnu footprint slab that had still survived until 1893 at the Humayun Tomb site. The photograph was captioned in the French version and then translated in ‘The World of Ancient India’ as ‘Vishnu’s Footprints at Humayun Tomb’.
The white quartz structure which is a remnant of the ancient temple is far more eroded than the red-sandstone rectangular structure dating to Moghul times. Sandstone erodes faster than quartz. The fact that the sandstone piece is in better shape than the quartz structure proves that the quartz pillars are much older than the sandstone piece.
Either this is correct or the materials from the Hindu temples were used to construct the tomb.
There is no denying this fact, as the images reveal.
My studies of the Puranas,Ithihasas,Ramayana, Mahabharata,Astronomical Events mentioned in them, Archeology,Sanskrit and Tamil literature had pointed out to , not ony the Myth of Aryan Invasion Theory,The Dravida-Aryan Divide, but also led me to the fact that Lord Shiva , with His son Ganesha left South India through the Middle east ,Europe, Africa, Americas,before settling down in the Arctic where the Rig Veda was composed.
All because of a Tsunami.
At that time Satyavrata Manu also left for Ayodhya to found the Ikshvaku Dynasty, to which Lord Rama belongs.
The archeological finds throughout the world, od Shiva and His Symbols, confirm my theory.
The Shiva family returned to India through Russia, Kazakhstan, and Persia.
The Greek connection of Shiva.
Hercules is believed to be either Balram or Lord Krishna.-quoted by Megasthenes
Lord Shiva seated in Yoga Posture
Please read my post on this.
And the Pillars of Hercules are a tribute to Lord Krishna.
Akkian,Flavius Arrianus, the Grecio-Roman Biographer with Alexander, the Great , in His Book, it is also called as Indica like Megasthenes’s, describes the voyage of Alexander to India.
He chronicles the customs and manners of the people of India.
“he Nysaeans are not an Indian race, but descended from the men who came into India with Dionysus–perhaps from those Greeks who were rendered unfit for service in the wars which Dionysus waged with the Indians. Perhaps also he settled with the Greeks those of the natives who were willing to join his colony. Dionysus named the city itself Nysa, and the land Nysaea, in honour of his nurse Nysa. The mountain near the city, at whose base Nysa was built, is called Meros (thigh) after the misfortune he experienced as soon as he was born. This is the story framed by the poets in regard to Dionysus, and let the writers of legends Grecian and foreign expound it. Among the Assacenians is Massaca, a large city, where also is the stronghold of the land of Assacia; and there is also another large city, Peucelaitis, not far from the Indus. These tribes have been settled west of the Indus as far as the Cophen….
Of the expedition of Dionysus, indeed, the city of Nysa is no mean monument, as also are the mountain Meros, the ivy which grows on this mountain, the Indians themselves also marching into battle to the sound of drums and cymbals, wearing speckled garments like the bacchanals of Dionysus. But of Heracles there are not many memorials. For the statement that Alexander forcibly subdued the rock of Aornus, because Heracles was not able to capture it, seems to me a piece of Macedonian boasting; just as they called the Parapamisus Caucasus, though it has no connection with it. And having observed a certain cave in the land of the Parapamisadians, they said that it was the famous cave of Prometheus, the son of the Titan, in which he was hung for the theft of the fire. And besides, in the land of the Sibians, an Indian race, because they saw the inhabitants clothed in skins, they said that the Sibians were those who had been left behind from the expedition of Heracles. The Sibians also carry cudgels, and the figure of a club was branded upon their oxen; this too they explained to be a commemoration of the club of Heracles. If anyone gives credit to these tales, this must have been another Heracles, neither the Theban, nor the Tyrian, nor the Egyptian; but some great king of a land situated in the interior not far from India.
He says that in ancient times the Indians were nomads, like that section of the Scythians who are not agriculturists, but wandering about on waggons, live at one time in one part of Scythia and at another time in another part, neither inhabiting cities nor consecrating temples to the gods. So the Indians had no cities or temples built for the gods. They clothed themselves in the skins of the wild beasts which they killed, and ate the inner bark of certain trees, which are called tala in the Indian language, and, as upon the tops of palm-trees, there grow upon them things like clews of wool. They also fed upon the flesh of the wild beasts which they caught, eating it raw, until Dionysus came into their country. But when Dionysus came and conquered them, he founded cities and made laws for them, and gave the Indians wine as he had given it to the Greeks. He also gave them seeds and taught them how to sow them in the earth; so that either Triptolemus did not come to this part when he was sent by Demeter to sow corn through the whole earth, or this Dionysus came to India before Triptolemus and gave to the inhabitants the seeds of cultivated crops. Dionysus first taught them to yoke oxen to the plough, and made most of them become husbandmen instead of being nomads, and armed them with martial weapons. He also taught them to worship the gods, and especially himself with the beating of drums and the clashing of cymbals. He taught the Indians the Satyr-dance which among the Greeks is called the cordax, and to let their hair grow long in honour of the god. He also showed them how to wear the turban, and taught them how to anoint themselves with unguents. Wherefore even to the time of Alexander the Indians still advanced into battle with the sound of cymbals and drums.
8. When Dionysus had arranged these affairs and was about to leave India, he appointed as king of the land Spatembas, one of his companions, the man most versed in the mysteries of Bacchus. When this man died his son Boudyas succeeded to his kingdom. The father reigned fifty-two years, and the son twenty years. Cradeuas, the son of Boudyas, succeeded to the throne. From this time for the most part the kingdom passed in regular succession from father to son. If at any time direct heirs were wanting, then the Indians appointed kings according to merit. The Heracles, who according to the current report came to India is said, among the Indians themselves, to have sprung from the earth. This Heracles is especially worshipped by the Sourasenians, an Indian nation, in whose land are two great cities, Methora and Cleisobora, and through it flows the navigable river Jobares. Megasthenes says, as the Indians themselves assert, that this Heracles wore a similar dress to that of the Theban Heracles. Very many male children, but only one daughter were born to him in India, for he married many women. The daughter’s name was Pandaea, and the land where she was born, and over which Heracles placed her as ruler, was named Pandaea after her. From her father she received 500 elephants, 4,000 cavalry, and 130,000 infantry. Certain of the Indians tell the following story about Heracles, that when he had passed over every land and sea and had rid them of every evil beast, he found in the sea a woman’s ornament, such as up to the present day those who bring wares from India to us still buy with zeal and carry away. In former times the Greeks and now the Romans who are fortunate and wealthy with still greater zeal buy what is called in the Indian tongue the marine pearl. The ornament seemed so fine to Heracles that he collected pearls like this from all the sea and brought them to India to be an adornment for his daughter. Megasthenes says that the mussel of it is caught in nets, and that many of them live in the sea at the same place, like bees, and that the pearl-mussels have a king or queen as bees have. Whoever has the good fortune to capture the king, easily throws the net around the rest of the swarm of pearlmussels, but if the king escapes the fishermen, the others are no longer to be caught by them. The men allow the flesh of those which are caught to rot, but they use the shell for ornament; for among the Indians the pearl is worth thrice its weight in refined gold. This metal is also dug up in India.
Pandea referred to here is the daughter of Lord Krishna/Balrama.
Please check my post on this.
It is probable that Shiva had traveled through Greece before reaching the Arctic and returned to India.
This is what Arrian is referring to repeatedly as Dionysus having invaded India.
And note the symbols, clothes.
” was under the impression that Dionysus was the Greek precursor of Krishna. But, deeper analysis of character and life events of Dionysus shows that he was the Greek format of Hindu God Shiva. Now, let us consider some of the characters of Dionysus. Generally he is known as the wine God, similarly Shiva is a kind of vagabond with drinking habits. Consider the strange animals that pulls the cart of Dionysus and strange creatures that follow him. They look similar to “shiva Ganas”, who come all kind of shapes and animal shapes. (These animal figures –themselves may be indicating various constellations —with animal motifs)’
The ever youthful Rishi and a devotee of Lord Shiva is believed o have established Hinduism in Bali,Java and Indonesia.
Shrines called Candis were established by the followers.
““In the veins of every one of my people flows the blood of Indian ancestors and the culture that we possess is steeped through and through with Indian influences. Two thousand years ago people from your country came to Jawadvipa and Suvarnadvipa in the spirit of brotherly love. They gave the initiative to found powerful kingdoms such as those of Sri Vijaya, Mataram and Majapahit. We then learnt to worship the very Gods that you now worship still and we fashioned a culture that even today is largely identical with your own. Later, we turned to Islam: but that religion too was brought by people coming from both sides of India’
–SuhartoSukarno(1901- 1970) The first President of Indonesia.
Candi refers to a structure based on the Indian type of single-celled shrine, with a pyramidal tower above it, and a portico.
Candi refers to a structure based on the Indian type of single-celled shrine, with a pyramidal tower above it, and a portico.The term Candi is given as a prefix to the many temple-mountains in Indonesia, built as a representation of the Cosmic Mount Meru, an epitome of the universe. However, the term also applied to many non-religious structures dated from the same period, such as gopura (gates), petirtaan (pools) and some of habitation complexes. Examples of non-temple candis are the Bajang Ratu and Wringin Lawang gates of Majapahit. The Candi Tikus bathing pool in Trowulan and Jalatunda in Penanggungan slopes, as well as the remnants of non-religious habitation and urban structures such as Ratu Boko and some of Trowulan city ruins, are also considered candi.
“Between the 7th and 15th centuries, hundred of religious structures were constructed of brick and stone in Java, Sumatra and Bali. These are called candi. The term refers to other pre-Islamic structures including gateways and even bathing places, but its principal manifestation is the religious shrine.”
— Soekmono, R. “Candi:Symbol of the Universe”.
The term “candi” itself derived from Candika one of the manifestations of the goddess Durga as the goddess of death.[3] This suggested in ancient Indonesia the “candi” has mortuary function as well as attributed with the afterlife. The association of the name “candi”, candika or durga with Hindu-Buddhist temples is unknown in India and other Indonesia’s Southeast Asian neighbours such asCambodia, Thailand, or Burma. The historians suggested that temples of ancient Java also used to store the ashes of cremated deceased kings or royalties. This is also in-line with Buddhist concept ofstupa as the structure to store Buddhist relics including the ashes and remnants of holy Buddhist priest or the Buddhist king, the patron of Buddhism. The statue of god stored inside the garbhagriha (main chamber) of the temple often modelled after the deceased king and considered as deified self of the king portrayed as Vishnu or Shiva according to the concept of devaraja. The example is the statue of king Airlangga from Belahan temple portrayed as Vishnu riding Garuda.
Santana Dharma,Hinduism made earlier inroads into Vietnam,
Ancient Vedic Cham Vietnamese Shiva Linga at the My Son Temple Complex, Vietnam
‘Vietnam was the home to a vibrant Vedic civilization. Many spectacular temples and sculptures still remain to this day . Vedic Deities such as Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma and minor Deities were widely worshiped. Buddhism also has a certain role in Cham people, but Shiva sect has always been considered as the national religion. According to the statistics of Palumus, in total of 128 steles found out in Cham Pa , there were 92 ones of Shiva sect and Deities of Shiva sect, 3 ones of Vishnu sect, 5 ones of Brahma sect and 7 ones of Buddhism.
Nataraja In Vietnam.
The Balamon Hindu Cham people of Vietnam consist of 70% Kshatriyas (pronounced in Vietnamese as “Satrias”). Although Balamon make up only 25% of the overall Cham population (the other 75% are Muslims or Cham Bani). These Balamon Kshatriyas claim to be the descendants of the Champa Empire.”..
The kings built temples of all the three chief Deities of Hinduism, Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva.
The kings date back to 7 Century AD, but Hinduism had been there much earlier.
The Cham were Hindus for most of their history. They embraced Buddhism in the 10th and 11th centuries and made some great art for that faith. But the Hindu god Shiva was usually their most honored deity.
Cham people called themselves Satriya.
Royal archives of Panduranga, Vietnam. Seal with Sanskrit characters. image source: Hindu-Buddhist Art of Vietnam: Treasures from Champa – By Emmanuel Guillon
Nataraja was also worshiped.
“Cham Hinduism had more depth than partying out. An early Cham king, Bhadravarman (5th century), identified himself with one of the gods that Shiva manifested as, Bhadreshvara.
Cham kings erected temples that housed Shiva lingas. These symbols embodied ideas of the great god’s power to create and destroy–as Nataraja, he creates and destroys the universe–don’t shimmy too close to him! The linga also resonated with Southeast Asians’ own ideas about the land’s power to generate life. So this easily replicated art form fused both cultures’ ideas of nature’s powers.
Khmer kings also worshiped Shiva with temples that housed lingas early in their history (see The Bakong). But Khmers built temples with whopping size. Champa’s people kept theirs small and exquisitely proportioned and decorated (see yesterday’s post on Champa). The pic above is from the ruins of Temple B1 in My Son. It was built in the 11th century and bombed in the last century (humans wield the most destructive forces). Its single room with an altar in the middle is the most common Cham temple form–a huge contrast with Angkor Wat.
I have posted an article that the Americas are the Patala Loka , as described in Hinduism.
Hinduism describes Fourteen worlds.
Bhuu,
Bhuvas,
Svar,
Mahas,
Jana,
Tapa and
Satya .
And The Seven Paatalas (lower worlds) are:
Atala,
Vitala,
Sutala,
Rasaataala,
Talatala,
Mahaatala and
Paatala.
( for more on this please read my post, Link provided towards the close of this Post)
The curious fact is that they denote the spiritual Planes,other levels of Existence and Planes of Existence as explained by Quantum Physics.
And they also have corresponding present Geographical Locations.
The Seven Lokas are,
India ans Patala Loka, Demo in Picture.
Now there is something more.
The Puranic texts also give the notion of the Pathala Loka as being beyond the seas.The words like location and locomotion are etymologically similar to the word, “Loka”.
There are other technical texts that mention the location of Asura and their adversaries, the Sura.
“Surasuranam anyonyam diva – ratra viparyayaha”
For Sura and Asura, days and nights are interchangeable-Surya Siddhantha
According to this sloka, Sura and Asura would have lived on opposite sides of the earth as only then can their days and nights be interchangeable.
The region of the earth diametrically opposite to the Indian subcontinent is the central parts of South America which was the Pathala Loka of the Asura.
Shiva Temple In Colorado
If we want a modern analogy, we have the British calling Australia as Down Under.
Shiva Temple USGS quadrangle [ segment E – F ],Image from http://www.kaibab.org/kaibab.org/usgs/gc_st_ef.htm.Not for commercial UseThat does not mean that Australia is in the underground areas of England. What the English really mean by the phrase “Down Under”, is that, for England, high in the northern hemisphere, Australia is on the other side of the earth, down in the south.Similarly, there is another popular term in the US, called the China Syndrome.People often joke that, in case there were to be a nuclear mishap in America, then the nuclear explosion would burrow a hole beneath America, continue to burrow through the earth and come out on the other side of the earth, in China.
These phrases, Australia Down Under and China Syndrome are examples of usage by people on one side of the globe to bring out the concept that, there is another side, opposite to them on the earth, which is also inhabited by people.
It is in this similar vein of expression that the ancient Indians had used the term Pathala Loka, as the area on the other side of the spherical earth. It is not to be erroneously understood as an underground cavern or kingdom.
Shiva Temple In Colorado,Grand Canyon.
“Another section of the in the so-called ‘haunted canyon’ there are names such as Cheops pyramid, The Buddha cloister, Buddha Temple, Manu Temple and shiva Temple. What is so very strange is that the entire areas with these place names are completely off limits…..a total forbidden zone…..even to park personnel. G.E. Kinkaid’s report follows. He was a hunter and explorer his whole life apparently working for 30 years for the Smithsonian. Below are journal excerpts from his alleged discovery and subsequent adventures in the ‘Cave City’…
This cliff face is purported to be the location of the cave entrance to the mysterious underground citadel.
The entrance is 1,486 feet down the sheer canyon wall. Above a shelf which hid it from view from the river, was the mouth of the cave. There are steps leading from this entrance some thirty yards to what was at the time the level of the river.
Underground Caves in Grand Canyon.
I gathered a number of relics, which I carried down the Colorado to Yuma, whence I shipped them to Washington with details of the discovery. Following this, other explorations were undertaken. So interested have the scientists become, that preparations are being made to equip our camp for extensive studies, the number of archaeologists increasing to from 30 to 40.
From the long main passage, another mammoth chamber has been discovered from which radiates scores of passageways, like the spokes of a wheel…
Several hundred rooms have been discovered, reached by passageways running from the main passage, one of them having been explored for 854 feet and another 634 feet. The recent finds include articles which have never been known as native to this country, and doubtless they had their origin in the orient. War weapons, copper instruments, sharp-edged and hard as steel, indicate the high state of civilization reached by these people.
The main passageway is about 12 feet wide, narrowing to nine feet toward the farther end. About 57 feet from the entrance, the first side-passages branch off to the right and left, along which, on both sides, are a number of rooms about the size of ordinary living rooms of today, though some are 30 by 40 feet square. These are entered by oval-shaped doors and are ventilated by round air spaces through the walls into the passages. The walls are about three feet six inches in thickness.
The passages are chiseled or hewn as straight as could be laid out by an engineer. The ceilings of many of the rooms converge to a center. The side-passages near the entrance run at a sharp angle from the main hall, but toward the rear they gradually reach a right angle in direction.
Over a hundred feet from the entrance is the cross-hall, several hundred feet long, in which are found the idol, or image, of the people’s god, sitting cross-legged, with a lotus flower or lily in each hand. The cast of the face is oriental. The idol almost resembles Buddha, though the scientists are not certain as to what religious worship it represents. Taking into consideration everything found thus far, it is possible that this worship most resembles the ancient people of Tibet.
Surrounding this idol are smaller images, some very beautiful in form, others crooked-necked and distorted shapes, symbolical, probably, of good and evil. There are two large cactus with protruding arms, one on each side of the dais on which the god squats. All this is carved out of hard rock resembling marble.
In the opposite corner of this cross-hall were found tools of all descriptions, made of copper. These people undoubtedly knew the lost art of hardening this metal, which has been sought by chemicals for centuries without result.
On a bench running around the workroom was some charcoal and other material probably used in the process. There is also slag and stuff similar to matte, showing that these ancients smelted ores, but so far no trace of where or how this was done has been discovered, nor the origin of the ore.
Among the other findings are vases or urns and cups of copper and gold, very artistic in design. The pottery work includes enameled ware and glazed vessels.
Another passageway leads to granaries such as are found in the oriental temples. They contain seeds of various kinds. One very large storehouse has not yet been entered, as it is twelve feet high and can be reached only from above.
Two copper hooks extend on the edge, which indicates that some sort of ladder was attached. These granaries are rounded, as the materials of which they are constructed, I think, is a very hard cement. A gray metal is also found in this cavern, which puzzles the scientists, for its identity has not been established. It resembles platinum. Strewn promiscuously over the floor everywhere are what people call “cats eyes’, a yellow stone of no great value. Each one is engraved with the head of the Malay type.
Carved on all the urns, over doorways, and tablets of stone, are mysterious hieroglyphics, the key to which the Smithsonian Institute hopes to discover. The engravings on the tablets probably has something to do with the religion of the people. Similar hieroglyphics have been found in southern Arizona.
Among the pictorial writings, only two animals are found – one of them looking prehistoric.
The tomb or crypt in which the mummies were found is one of the largest of the chambers, the walls slanting back at an angle of about 35 degrees. On these are tiers of mummies, each one occupying a separate hewn shelf. At the head of each is a small bench, on which is found copper cups and pieces of broken swords. Some of the mummies are covered with clay and all are wrapped in a bark fabric.
The urns or cups on the lower tiers are crude, while as the higher shelves are reached, the urns are finer in design, showing a later stage of civilization. It is worthy of note that all the mummies examined so far have proved to be male, no children or females being buried here. This leads to the belief that this exterior section was the warriors’ barracks.
Among the discoveries no bones of animals have been found, no skins, no clothing, no bedding. Many of the rooms are bare but for water vessels.
One room, about 40 by 700 feet, was probably the main dining hall, for cooking utensils are found here. What these people lived on is a problem, though it is presumed that they came south in the winter and farmed in the valleys, going back north in the summer.
Upwards of 50,000 people could have lived in the caverns comfortably. One theory is that the present Indian tribes found in Arizona are descendants of the serfs or slaves of the people who inhabited the cave.
Undoubtedly a good many thousands of years before the Christian era, a people lived here which reached a high stage of civilization. The chronology of human history is full of gaps.
One thing I have not spoken of, may be of interest. There is one chamber of the passageway which is not ventilated, and when we approached it a deadly, snaky smell struck us. Our light would not penetrate the room, and until stronger ones are available we will not know what the chamber contains. Some say snakes but others think it m
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