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  • Veda Compiled In Arctic Devayana Pitruyana Evidence Rig Veda

    Indian texts have two calendars, one based on the movement of Sun,Surya Manasa,Solar Calendar and Chandra Manasa,based on the movement of the Moon.

    The movement of the Moon is calculated by Thithis;they are fifteen.

    Solar year is calculated on the basis of the movement of the Sun and the Stars are taken as the basis.

    For auspicious occasions, the Nakshatra is given more importance while inauspicious occasions like Sraddha,the annual death ceremony, only the Thithis are taken into account.

    These two are correlated.

    One must  rember the following before proceeding further.

    1.The landmass in those ancient times were different from what we find today.

    Please read my articles on Rodina, Pangea Super continents of ancient times.

    2.Santana dharma was present throughout the world.

    3. The Vedas were not compiled in one shot. The Truth ,as revealed to the Rishis were compiled as and when they were revealed.For details please read ‘when were the Vedas compiled’

    So what is found in the Rig Veda is the oldest records.

    What is mentioned in the Rig Veda about movement of Stars and Planets refer to the period and indicate the area wherethe people lived.

    While the later Vedic texts mention Dakshinayna and Uttarayana, they refer to what they observed,that is the movement of the Sun to South or to North.

    This is what we practice today.

    But what the people of the Rig Vedic Time observed was the day extending for six months, night for six months,was called as Devayana( Day) and Pitruyana(Night).

    For more on this read my article On Aryaman.

    4.It is also probable that two or three groups lived, one each at the Polar regions and another in the other areas.

    This would account for the classification of Dravidas,Milechas and people being called Rakshasas who hailed from the south.

    5.Thus the descriptions of celestial movements in the Rig Veda indicate that people of those times lived in the Arctic Region.

    Am researching.

    Autumn Equinox
    Autumal equinox described by Hindu texts

    Image Credit. Haribakth.com.

    ‘The Taittirîya Samhitâ and the Brâhmanas distinctly mention a lunar
    month of thirty days and a year of twelve such months, to which an
    intercalary month was now and then added, to make the lunar and
    the solar year correspond with each other. The ecliptic, or the belt of
    the zodiac, was divided into 27 of 28 divisions, called the Nakshatras,
    which, were used as mile-stones to mark the annual passage of the
    sun, or the monthly revolution of the moon round the earth. The two
    solstitial and the two equinoctial points, as well as the passage of the
    sun into the northern and the southern hemisphere, were clearly
    distinguished, and the year was divided into six seasons, the festivals
    in each month or the year being accurately fixed and ascertained.

    The stars rising and setting with the sun were also systematically
    observed and the eastern and western points of the compass
    determined as accurately as the astronomical observations of the day
    could permit. In my Orion or the Antiquity of the Vedas, I have shown
    how the changes in the position of the equinoxes were also marked in
    these days, and how they enable us to classify the periods of Vedic
    antiquity. According to this classification the Taittirîya Samhitâ comes
    under the Kṛittikâ period (2500 B.C.), and some may, therefore, think
    that the details of the Vedic calendar given above are peculiar only to
    the later Vedic literature.

    A cursory study of the يig-Veda will,
    however, show that such is not the case. A year of 360 days, with an
    intercalary month occasionally added, or a year of twelve lunar
    months, with twelve intercalary days inserted at the end of each year
    was familiar to the poets of the يig-Veda and is often mentioned in
    the hymns.*

    (* See Rig. I, 25, 8, — वदे मासो धतोतो 
    दवादश परजावतः । वदा े य उपजायते॥ Also
    Rig. IV, 33, 7, — दवादश दयनू यद अगोाितेरण रभवः ससः । सऽाव ु े
    अनय िसनू धाित ओषधीर िनम आपः ॥ See Orion, page 1-77 ƒ. In ƒ. In Rig. I,
    164, 11, 360 days and 360 nights of the year are expressly mentioned.)

    The northern and the southern passage of the sun from equinox to equinox, the Devayâna and the Pitṛiyâna, together with the yearly sattras, have also been referred to in several places, clearly showing that the Rig-Vedic  calendar differed, if at all, very little from the one in use at the time of the Taittirîya Samhitâ or the Brâhmanas. ‘

    One finds references to Time in two different ways.

    Six months are considered as one day for the Devas, the Divine Beings.

    Six months are one night for Devas.

    Thus one human year is one day for Devas.

    The Time concept of Yuga is based on this.

    But it looks odd to say that six months equal a day for Devas.

    One must remember that the Devathas are ex officio, that is they are because of their occupations.

    Thus Indra changes every Kalpa and Manus change every Manvantara.

    So the observations of celetial events were based on Observation and they are not abstract philosophical axioms in Hinduism.

    We have thus two Time frames,one for Man and another for Devas.

    I take them to mean people belonging to different geographical locations and hence their observation of Sun, Moon and the Stars varied.

    The sky we see  in a Temperate Zone is not the same as the one in at the Poles, Arctic/ Antarctic.

    So the descriptions one finds in the texts later to the Rig Veda mention Dakshinayana, movement of the Sun to south and Uttarayana, movement of the Sun towards the North.

    These observations were possible only if people lived far away from the Poles.

    Sage Agastya Star is visible in southern latitudes when one reaches temperate zone.

    Please read my article AgastyaStar Canopus validates Sanatana Dharma.

    My postulate is that ancient Indians lived near the Poles,Arctic and and Antarctic.

    Evidence of Sanatana dharma is found on both the regions.

    Shiva is found in both the regions.

    Please read my articles on this subject.

    Bal Gangadhar Tilak, in his scholarly work has proved that the Arctic was the home of the Vedas and Rig Veda was composed there.

    I am researching into Antarctic connection.

    Now there is evidence in the Rig Veda that people lived there in the form of hymns denoting Time and Devas.

    ‘The spinning round of the heavenly dome over the head is one
    of the special characteristics of the North Pole, and the phenomenon
    is so peculiar that one may expect to find traces of it in the early
    traditions of a people, if they, or their ancestors ever lived near the
    North Pole. Applying this test to the Vedic literature, we do find
    passages which compare the motion of the heavens to that of wheel,
    and state that the celestial vault is supported as if on an axis. Thus in
    يig. X, 89, 4, Indra is said “to separately uphold up by his power
    heaven and earth as the two wheels of a chariot are held by    the axle.”* Prof. Ludwig thinks that this refers to the axis of the earth,
    and the explanation is very probable. The same idea occurs in other
    places, and some times the sky is described as being supported even
    without a pole, testifying thereby to the great power or might of Indra
    (II, 15, 2; IV, 56, 3).† In X, 80, 2, Indra is identified with Sûrya and he
    is described as “turning the widest expanse like the wheels of a
    chariot.”‡ The word for “expanse” is varâmsi, which Sâyana
    understands to mean “lights,” or “stars.” But whichever meaning we
    adopt, it is clear that the verse in question refers to the revolution of
    the sky, and compares to the motion of a chariot wheel. Now the
    heavens in the temperate and the tropical regions may be described
    as moving like a wheel, from east to west and then back again to the
    east, though the latter half of this circuit is not visible to the observer.

    But we cannot certainly speak of the tropical sky as being supported
    on a pole, for the simple reason that the North Pole, which must be
    the point of support in, such a case, will not be sufficiently near the
    zenith in the tropical or the temperate zone. If we, therefore, combine
    the two statements, that the heavens are supported as on a pole and
    that they move like a wheel, we may safely infer that the motion
    referred to is such a motion of the celestial hemisphere as can be
    witnessed only by an observer at the North Pole. In the يig-Veda§ I,
    24, 10 the constellation of Ursa Major (Rikshah) is described as being
    placed “high” (uchhâh), and, as this can refer only to the altitude of
    the constellation, it follows that it must then have been over the head
    of the observer, which is possible only in the Circum-Polar regions.
    Unfortunately there are few other passages in the يig-Veda which describe the motion of the celestial hemisphere or of
    the stars therein, and we must, therefore, take up another
    characteristic of the Polar regions, namely, “a day and a night of six
    months each,” and see if the Vedic literature contains any references
    to this singular feature of the Polar regions.

    The idea that the day and the night of the Gods are each of six
    months’ duration is so widespread in the Indian literature, that we
    examine it here at some length, and, for that purpose, commence
    with the Post-Vedic literature and trace it back to the most ancient
    books. It is found not only in the Purânas, but also in astronomical
    works, and as the latter state it in a more definite form we shall begin
    with the later Siddhântas. Mount Meru is the terrestrial North Pole of
    our astronomers, and the Sûrya-Siddhânta, XII, 67, says: — “At Meru
    Gods behold the sun after but a single rising during the half of his
    revolution beginning with Aries.” Now according to Purânas Meru is
    the home or seat of all the Gods, and the statement about their half￾year-long night and day is thus easily and naturally explained; and all
    astronomers and divines have accepted the accuracy of the
    explanation. The day of the Gods corresponds with the passage of
    the sun from the vernal to the autumnal equinox, when the sun is
    visible at the North Pole, or the Meru; and the night with the Southern
    passage of sun, from the autumnal back to the vernal equinox.

    The old meaning of Uttarâyana, literally, the
    northern passage of the sun, was the period of time required by the
    sun to travel from the vernal to the autumnal equinox, or the portion
    of the ecliptic in the northern hemisphere; and if we understand the
    word in this sense, the statement that the Uttarâyana is a day of the
    Devas is at once plain and intelligible. Bhâskarâchârya’s reference to
    oldest astronomical Samhitâs clearly shows that the tradition was
    handed down from the oldest times. It is suggested that in these
    passages Gods may mean the apotheosized ancestors of the human
    race. But I do not think that we need any such explanation. If the
    ancestors of the human race ever lived at the North Pole, so must
    have their Gods; and I shall show in a subsequent chapter that the
    Vedic deities are, as a matter of fact clothed with attributes, which are
    distinctly Polar in origin. It makes, therefore, no difference for our
    purpose, if a striking feature of the primitive home is traditionally
    preserved and remembered as a characteristic of the Gods, or of the
    apotheosized ancestors of the race. We are concerned with the
    tradition itself, and our object is pained if its existence is clearly
    established.
    The next authority for the statement is Manu, I, 67. While
    describing the divisions of time it says, “A year (human) is a day and
    a night of the Gods; thus are the two divided, the northern passage of
    the sun is the day and the southern the night.”* The day and the night
    of the Gods are then taken as a unit for measuring longer periods of
    time as the Kalpas and so on, and Yâska’s Nirukta, XIV, 4, probably
    contains the same reference. Muir, in the first Volume of his Original
    Sanskrit Texts, gives some of these passages so far as they bear on
    the yuga-system found in the Purânas. But we are not concerned with
    the later development of the  idea that the day and the night of the Gods each lasted for six
    months. What is important, from our point of view, is the persistent
    prevalence of this tradition in the Vedic and the Post-Vedic literature,
    which can only be explained on the hypothesis that originally it must
    have been the result of actual observation. We shall, therefore, next
    quote the Mahâbhârata, which gives such a clear description of
    Mount Meru, the lord of the mountains, as to leave no doubt its being
    the North Pole, or possessing the Polar characteristics. In chapters
    163 and 164 of the Vanaparvan, Arjuna’s visit to the Mount is
    described in detail and we are therein told, “at Meru the sun and the
    moon go round from left to right (Pradakshinam) every day and so do
    all the stars.” Later on the writer informs us: — “The mountain, by its
    lustre, so overcomes the darkness of night, that the night can hardly
    be distinguished from the day.” A few verses further, and we find,
    “The day and the night are together equal to a year to the residents of
    the place.”* These quotations are quite sufficient to convince any one
    that at the time when the great epic was composed Indian writers had
    a tolerably accurate knowledge of the meteorological and
    astronomical characteristics of the North Pole, and this knowledge
    cannot be supposed to have been acquired by mere mathematical
    calculations. The reference to the lustre of the mountain is specially
    interesting, inasmuch as, in all probability, it is a description of the
    splendors of the Aurora Borealis visible at the North Pole. So far as
    the Post-Vedic literature is concerned, we have, therefore, not only
    the tradition of the half-year-long
    * The verses (Calcutta Ed.) are as follows: Vana-parvan, Chap. 163, vv. 37,
    38. Ibid, Chap. 164, vv. 11, 13.

    night and day of the Gods persistently mentioned, but the Mount
    Meru, or the North Pole, is, described with such accuracy as to lead.
    us to believe that it is an ancient tradition, whose origin must be
    traced to a time when these phenomena were daily observed by the
    people; and this is confirmed, by the fact that the tradition is not
    confined only to the Post-Vedic literature.
    Passing on, therefore, to the Vedic literature, we find Mount
    Meru described as the seat of seven Âdityas in the Taittirîya
    Âranyaka I, 7, 1, while the eighth Âditya, called Kashyapa is said
    never to leave the great Meru or Mahâmeru. Kashyapa is further
    described as communicating light to the seven Âdityas, and himself
    perpetually illumining the great mountain. It is, however, in the
    Taittirîya Brâhmana (III, 9, 22, 1), that we meet with a passage which
    clearly says, “That which is a year is but a single day of the Gods.”
    The statement is so clear that there can be no doubt whatever about
    its meaning. A year of the mortals is said to be but a day of the Gods;
    but, at one time, I considered it extremely hazardous* to base any
    theory even upon such a clear statement, inasmuch as it then
    appeared p me to be but solitary in the Vedic literature. I could not
    then find anything to match it in the Samhitâs and especially in the
    يig-Veda and I was inclined to hold that Uttarâyana and
    Dakshinâyana were, in all probability, described in this way as “day”
    and “night” with a qualifying word to mark their special nature. Later
    researches have however forced on me the conclusion that the
    tradition, represented by this passage, indicates the existence of a
    Polar home in old days, and I have set forth in the sequel the
    evidence on which I have come to the above conclusion. There are
    several theories on which the above statement in the Taittirîya
    Brâhmana can be explained ‘

    Source.Arctic  Home In The Vedas by Bal Gangadhar Tilak.

    You may purchase the book at Amazon.

    https://www.amazon.in/Arctic-Vedas-Being-Interpretation-Legends/dp/1151098914/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&redirect=true&ref_=nav_custrec_signin&linkCode=ll1&tag=ramanisblog-21&linkId=cb4ff2f0c7f0a2e35773bdb25f1595f4

  • VEDAS COMPLIED IN THE ARCTIC WHY HOW BY WHOM ? PART 3 Clarification

    In the previous two articles I have mentioned some facts and did not provide the relevant Links.

    The reason, as I have mentioned in the article is that providing too many Hyperlinks in an article affects the site technically.

    Many have corresponded on the authenticity of the statements I have made in these articles and requested details.

    My intention is to provide information on Indian History and the Purana, Ithihahasa and The Vedas that they are not stories or fantasies but facts and history ,aprt from conveying deep philosophical thoughts.

    However there are some objections to the concept that Arctic was the Home of The Vedas and there are scholars who dispute this, including Professor Vartak.

    I intend anaylsing them in the present series in a separate article.

    One comment on the article is reproduced below and I am providing the information with the link, though it is not a Hyperlink.

    One may copy paste it to read the full article.

    My replies are in Italics.

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    Shiva In Thiruvannamalai.

     

    ‘Your intention is good, your effort is commendable, your blog is very informative.

    A little muscle to the foundations of your arguments would help. Could u give references of specific verses from spiritual literature to bolster your arguments. That would help.
    For eg: Arguments like:
    The Vedas refer repeatedly to long periods of day long periods of night.

    ‘The information of the relevant texts are provided in Tilaks Book.

    Link .https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Arctic_Home_in_the_Vedas

    and more by way of objections by Shri Vartak at,

    In his support Tilak cites Rigveda 7-76-2 and 
    translates it: "The Devayana path has become visible 
    to me. The banner of the Dawn has appeared in the 
    east." From this verse he infers that the Devayana 
    started at the rise of the Dawn. This inference 
    appears correct apparently, but is not true, because 
    Tilak himself has told that in the Polar and Arctic 
    regions the sun rises in the south. Then how is it 
    that the banner of the Dawn was seen in the east? 
    
    Tilak has taken support of Pi try ana also. He 
    states that the Hindus consider Pitryana as 
    unauspicious for a man to die. This tradition is easily 
    and rationally explained if the Pitryana represented 
    a period of continuous darkness. The funeral 
    ceremonies of any one dying during the long night 
    were deferred till the break of the dawn. Now the 
    question arises that if there was a continuous spring 
    at the Arctic region in the ancient era when Aryas 
    lived there, as Tilak says, then is it possible to keep 
    the dead body at home for six months?

    Link https://archive.org/stream/ScientificKnowledgeInVedas/Scientific_Knowledge_in_Vedas_djvu.txt

    They also speak of days in yet another context ,extending for 60 Nazhigais,which corresponds to our normal day.

    Southern direction is being treated as some thing beyond more like alien territory.

    When one reads the Vedic Texts,reference to Dravida desa is made as though it is a distant land, though a part of Sanatna Dharma,and it was considered as a place where a sloghly different culture was followed and was considered fit to banish people, as in the case of Viswamitra who banished his 51 sons to the Dravida Desa.

    And Vasishtas Tribes in Dravida desa indicates the southern connection.

    https://ramanisblog.in/2016/11/17/vasishtas-fourteen-dravidian-tribes-greeks-chinese-huns/

    Kanchipuram ,Tamil Nadu tribe is mentioned in Vasishta Viswamitra War.

    Please google viswamitra sons +ramanan50 to read more articles on this subject.

    They were called as Dravida

    The Shiva cult precedes Sanatana Dharma.

    https://ramanisblog.in/2015/07/05/pre-sanatana-dharma-shiva-in-south-predates-sanatana-dharma/

    You may read more articles on this by Googling Pre Sanatna Dharma Shiva.

    But the texts are clear that Shiva as a separate Entity though not in conflict with the Vedas is mentioned as the Ancient One.

    This refers to Then (south) Madurai which was devored by the sea.

    This speaks of a parallel system of philosophy in the south,though not at variance with the the Vedas.

    Lord Shiva is considered to be the founder of the Tamil language.

    Thiruvannamalalai,Tamil Nadu is 3.64 billion years old and Jwalapuram,Cuddapah,Telengana,which houses Nataraja is 74,000 years old.

    For Thiruvannamalai being 3.64 Billion year old,Jwalapuram 74,000 years old, kindly check my articles on these issues by googling the search term plus ramanan50.

    Rest assured my intention is not negative. Kudos and looking forward to read ahead.
    (I hv read Lokmanya Tilak’s Artic theory of the vedas but i am not convinced since a lot of our great scholars and noblemen in those days were under duress to kowtow to the British empire which is understandable. No fault of theirs….Those were very trying times and they did the best what they could do so that we could live in a free India).’

     

    Related.

    Vedas Complied In The Arctic Why How By Whom ? Part 1

  • Vedas Complied In The Arctic Why How By Whom ? Part 2

    Sage Agastya came to South twice.

    He came to South when Shiva asked him to go to south to balance the earth when Shiva married Uma in the Himalayas.

    This is dated around 40,00,000 thousands years ago.

    The next time he came down to south was around 5000 BC.

    The dates have been arrived at by tracking the movement of Star Canopus,called Agastya,which is visible in the southern lattidues once on 5000 years.

    Please check my articles on these.

    The fact that Shiva had to send him to an area which was far off is mentioned in the Puranas,especially the Skanda,Linga,Shiva  Purana stating that the place he had to go was Dravida.

    The tone and tenor convey a distant land, not a geographically adjacent one.

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    8.One may notice that Shiva is not mentioned directly in the Vedas as Vishnu and others are.He, however , is repeatedly mentioned in the Tamil Classics.

    He was called the ‘Ancient of the Ancients’

    The Shiva cult precedes Sanatana Dharma as is evidenced from the Earliest Tamil works like Agathiyam,written by Agastya and Tholkaapiyam by Tholkappiyar.

    Both Agastya and Tholkaapiyar were Rishis, as declared by them.

    They refer Shiva as the primary deity.

    Rama,Krishna,Vishnu are also mentioned and their period is mentioned.

    But not Shiva’s.

    He is mentioned as beyond Time.

    This indicates that Shiva cult was present  in the south even before  Shiva’s marriage with Uma in the Himalayas.

    In the Shiva cult of the early times the Vedas,though mentioned, are not assigned a date.But the texts are clear that Shiva as a separate Entity though not in conflict with the Vedas is mentioned as the Ancient One.

    9.The Avatars of Shiva are not in vogue in the north as much as in the south.

    They are called Thiruvilayadal in Tamil and they are documented.

    They are 64 in numbers.

    Please read my article on this.

    These avatars are reported to have taken place in the Tamil ,Dravida Region.

    They,at least most of them,took place in Madurai.

    This is not the present Madurai ,Tamil Nadu.

    This refers to Then (south) Madurai which was devored by  the sea.

    This was in Lemuria,and Then Madurai is mentioned along with Kapatapuram and Vanchi.

    The Shiva worship was prevalent there before Rama and Krishna worship.

    This speaks of a parallel system of philosophy in the south,though not at variance with the the Vedas.

    10.Lord Shiva is considered to be the founder of the Tamil language.

    He founded the language along with Sage who wrote the First  Tamil book on Grammar,Agathiyam.

    The Tamils conducted Poets’s Conclaves.

    There were three such Conclaves,Tamil Sangam.

    The first one was presided over by Shiva and the third one by Subrahmanya,his son,who is also considered to be a co founder of Tamil.He was called Murugan.

    The Tamil Sangam was attended by Lord Krishna.

    He participated as a special invitee.

    Please read my article on this.

    This indicates the Shiva worship, presence preceded Krishna’s.

    11.Lord Shiva got married to, in one of His avatars,to Meenakshi of Madurai.

    Shiva, in this Avatar, was called Chokkanatha,Sundareswara in Sanskrit.

    Meenakshis father Malayadwaja Pandya participated in the Mahabharata war alongside the Pandavas.

    The marriage ceremony was conducted through the Vedic rites.

    This is specifically mentioned.

    This is of importance as the marriage was not conducted the Tamil way.

    This means the Vedic custom did not take deep roots then.

    12.Rama finds references in the ancient classics of the Tamils.

    He,as in the case of Krishna,was treated as a human being,though he was worshiped later.

    This again confirms that the Vedic people were considered as from the north with a culture,though similar from the north,Aryavarth,Meaning from a ‘Blemishless place’

    13.Rama worshiped Shiva as Ramanatha at Rameswaram, Tamil Nadu after killing Ravana.

    14.Ravana was from the Dravida desa and a Brahmin.

    He married Mandodari from the north overcoming objections to the marriage of Mandodari to a Dravida.

    15.Ravana learnt the Vedas and recited them at Kailash, the Abode of Shiva .

    16.Ravana built the Shiva Temple at Koneswaram, Sri Lanka which anti dates Indian temples..

    17.Rama’s,ancestor Vaivaswatha Manu was from Dravida Desa and he migrated to Ayodhya and his son Ikshvaku founded the Ikshvaku Dyasty.

    18.Vaivaswatha Manu meditated in Madagascar.

    19.Shiva temples,which are quite ancient,are quite numerous as compared to North.

    20.While Shiva’s marriage with Uma and Shiva’s loneliness because of the loss of Sati and Shiva as an ascetic is known in the north, not much of Him is heard there as in the south,about His sons,Ganesha and Subrahmanya,which is detailed in the south

    21.Vasi yoga is the predecessor of Patanjali’s Yoga Sutra and this was revealed in the South by Shiva.

    22.The Siddhas,the Enlightened souls, from the south had  a distinct system of Shiva worship and they were aware of Vedas. Patanjali,Agastya and Valimiki were Siddhas and have wriiten philosophical treatises in Tamil.

    Valmiki mentions in his Tamil poem that he was a Vedic Brahmin.

    23.The Avatars of Vishnu,(Parashurama,Vamana,Kurma and Varaha)took place in the south.Of these,Kurma and Varaha took place just after The Vedas were compiled.

    24.The migration to north seems to have been necessitated because of Great flood in each yuga and Puranas/ ithihasas/Tamil classics assert this.

    25.Thiruvannamalalai,Tamil Nadu is 3.64 billion years old and Jwalapuram,Cuddapah,Telengana,which houses Nataraja is 74,000 years old.

    I can go on adding.

    What happened after the flood and the compilation of the Vedas will be detailed in the forthcoming article.

    Vedas Complied In The Arctic Why How By Whom ? Part 1