Tag: Heisenberg

  • ‘Quantum Consistent With Vedas’ Bohr Quantum Founder

    Though  it is a fact that Hinduism and the Systems of Indian Philosophy are the forerunners of Modern Thought, here I differ in that Our systems are

     

    ahead of the Modern Science as some of the theories they still have are wrong and Hinduism will be proved Right eventually, our people , even those

     

     

    who are supposed to be educated, will believe these statements.

     

    But they will, if they hear it from a Westerner!

     

    Bohr Founder of Quantum Image .jpg.
    Neils Bohr, Founder of Quantum Theory

     

    This is precisely what I intend in this post.

     

    I have posted on the views of Quantum and Indian Philosophy, how they concur,How Scientists of the day meet Adi Shankaracharya in describing and

    explaining he Quantum Theory.

     

    Two people are considered to be the Founders of Quantum Theory.

     

    They are Bohr and Schrödinger.

     

    Both Bohr and Schrödinger, the founders of quantum physics, were avid readers of the Vedic texts and

    observed that their experiments in quantum physics were consistent with what they had read in the Vedas.”

     

    Tat Tvam Asi, You Are That ”

    ब्रह्मैवेदममृतं पुरस्तात् ब्रह्म पश्चात् ब्रह्म उत्तरतो दक्षिणतश्चोत्तरेण ।
    अधश्चोर्ध्वं च प्रसृतं ब्रह्मैवेदं विश्वमिदं वरिष्ठम् ॥ 2.2.11

     

    Niels Bohr got the ball rolling around 1900 by explaining why atoms emit and absorb electromagnetic radiation only at certain frequencies.

    Then, in the 1920′s Erwin Schrödinger (1887-1961), an Austrian-Irish physicist (pictured below), who won the Nobel prize, came up with his famous wave equation that predicts how the Quantum Mechanical wave function changes with time.

    Wave functions are used in Quantum Mechanics to determine how particles move and interact with time.

    In the 1920′s Werner Heisenberg (1901-1976)  formulated his famous uncertainty principal, which states when a physicist attempts to observe a subatomic particle, the experimental apparatus inevitably alters the subatomic particle’s trajectory.

     

    This is because they are trying to observe something that is of the same scale as the photons they are using to observe it.

    To be more specific, to observe something that is subatomic in size one must use a device (apparatus) that projects photons at the particle being observed.

     

    This is because the reception of photons by our retina is what we call vision.

     

    Basically, to observe something, we must bounce photons off it. The problem is that the photons disturb the subatomic particles because they are of the same size.

     

    Thus, there is no way to observe subatomic particles without altering their trajectories.

     

    Bohr, Heisenberg and Schrödinger regularly read Vedic texts. Heisenberg stated,

     

    “Quantum theory will not look ridiculous to people who have read Vedanta.” Vedanta is the conclusion of Vedic thought.

    Furthermore, Fritjof Capra, when interviewed by Renee Weber in the book The Holographic Paradigm(page 217–218), stated that Schrödinger, in speaking about Heisenberg, has said:
    “I had several discussions with Heisenberg. I lived in England then [circa 1972], and I visited him several times in Munich and showed him the whole manuscript chapter by chapter.

     

    He was very interested and very open, and he told me something that I think is not known publicly because he never published it. He said that he was well aware of these parallels.

     

    While he was working on quantum theory he went to India to lecture and was a guest of Tagore.

     

    He talked a lot with Tagore about Indian philosophy.

     

    Heisenberg told me that these talks had helped him a lot with his work in physics, because they showed him that all these new ideas in quantum physics were in fact not all that crazy.

     

    He realized there was, in fact, a whole culture that subscribed to very similar ideas.

     

    Heisenberg said that this was a great help for him. Niels Bohr had a similar experience when he went to China.”

     

    Schrodinger wrote in his book Meine Weltansicht:

    “This life of yours which you are living is not merely a piece of this entire existence, but in a certain sense the whole; only this whole is not so constituted that it can be surveyed in one single glance.

    This, as we know, is what the Brahmins [wise men or priests in the Vedic tradition] express in that sacred, mystic formula which is yet really so simple and so clear:

    ; tat tvam asi, this is you. Or, again, in such words as “I am in the east and the west, I am above and below, I am this entire world.”

    ब्रह्मैवेदममृतं पुरस्तात् ब्रह्म पश्चात् ब्रह्म उत्तरतो दक्षिणतश्चोत्तरेण ।
    अधश्चोर्ध्वं च प्रसृतं ब्रह्मैवेदं विश्वमिदं वरिष्ठम् ॥ 2.2.11

    This is a reference to the Mundaka Upanishad mantra (above) in which the Vedic understanding of the connectivity of living entities is put forward to help the Bhakta (practitioner of yoga) to understand the difference between the body and the living entity.

    How the real nature of the living entity is realized only in union with the source, the supreme being (Brahman/Krishna) through a platform of transcendental divine loving service.

    The multiplicity is only apparent. This is the doctrine of the Upanishads. And not of the Upanishads only. The mystical experience of the union with God regularly leads to this view, unless strong prejudices stand in the West.” (Erwin Schrödinger, What is Life?, p. 129, Cambridge University Press)

    “There is no kind of framework within which we can find consciousness in the plural; this is simply something we construct because of the temporal plurality of individuals, but it is a false construction… The only solution to this conflict insofar as any is available to us at all lies in the ancient wisdom of the Upanishad.” (Mein Leben, Meine Weltansicht [My Life, My World View] (1961), Chapter 4).

     

    Swami Vivekananda, Nikolas Tesla and Energy Post follows

    Citation.

    http://www.krishnapath.org/quantum-physics-came-from-the-vedas-schrodinger-einstein-and-tesla-were-all-vedantists/

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  • What Is Certainty ?

    Whenever we talk of certainty what do we mean?

    That an event or thing will happen the way we expect it to happen?

    Again what is ‘expected to happen?

    We expect things to happen indicates that we have seen some things, events followed some events, some experienced by us, some by the others,

    And we think the same pattern will follow.

    Just  how scientific is this?

    I am talking about Science here, because it what people think is the solution for every thing and Science is the club used to beat Philosophy and Religion.

    When a religious information , or even a fact is presented, the immediate question, from the people, especially who profess to have a scientific temper(?), is,

    How certain are you?

    The same question is addressed to Philosophy.

    You Talk of Reality God.

    The retort is,

    Is it certain?

    Does it hold good for all times the past,, present and the future.

    Philosophy and Religion take this very seriously and replies,

    Yes, it holds good for all times and it is Eternal.

    I think the answer is not can not be reasoned out for we can not verify, it.

    As of now, we know things and events as they are or reported to be ‘were’

    Not it ‘will be’

    What we know is the Finite and we presume, that since there is some thing Finite, there has to be some thing Infinite.

    Because we are conditioned to think, I do not know how, that there should be a pair of opposite.

    True there are pairs of opposites in what we experience in Life, pleasure and Pain,Darkness and Light, Good and Bad,the  list goes on.

    But by logic it need not be.

    What has happened yesterday need not happen to morrow.

    Our mind is programmed to find similarities,categories, uniformity  to make it easier for the Mind to categorize.

    It is the mechanism of the Mind.

    If we think it is in the outside world, then one has to accept the the Law of Uniformity of Nature and as a consequence must accept the Theory of Causation as well.

    Law of Uniformity , at its best can only say that an event had happened, is happening in the present and no more.

    Law of Causation can tell you an event is caused by another.

    One event may be the Cause for many events and one result may be caused by more than one Cause(event)

    There are many sub causes to make a particular Cause to produce one particular effect.

    This, I shall deal, in a separate post

    These sub or attendant  causes .’ along with the Primary Cause again assumes the law of Causation.

    So Causation assumes Uniformity and Uniformity assumes Causation.

    This is Logical fallacy. for each assumes the other as proven.

    So ‘expecting’ , including the results of scientific experiments , is not logical.

    One may say some result is expected, that’s all.

    So since our definition of certainty is based on  Expectation, it is equally untenable.

    Therefore, certainty is a Myth.

    It can not be verified.

    Curiously I find definitions on Uncertainty, not on Certainty.

    I am providing information  at the end , on this.

    This Uncertainty Principle gained recognition after the advent of Quantum Theory.

    Here it is:

    In 1927 Heisenberg suggested the uncertainty principle, which can be formulated now as follows:

    If one tries to describe the dynamical state of a quantum particle by methods of classical mechanics, then precision of such description is limited in principle. The classical state of the particle turns out to be badly defined.

    In 2005 the certainty principle was suggested, which is formulated as follows:

    If one describes the dynamical state of a quantum particle (system) by methods of quantum mechanics, then the quantum state of the particle (system) turns out to be well defined. This certainty of the quantum dynamical state means that “small” space-time transformations can not substantially change the quantum state.

    Both principles are not just some misty philosophy about uncertainty and certainty, but they have quite rigorous mathematical formulations in the form of the following inequalities:

    (* note the smirk behind the word,’Philosophy’ while it says the same under the garb of Science.)

    And the Heisenberg uncertainty principle is a consequence of the certainty principle. The certainty principle generalizes on the unified base both the uncertainty principle and the Mandelshtam-Tamm relation for energy and time (discovered in 1945).

    A more detailed answer you can find in the paper The certainty principle (review).

    An explanation for dummies is given in the article The certainty principle for dummies.

    Should the certainty principle be considered more fundamental than the uncertainty principle?

    From the point of view of non-relativistic quantum mechanics, the certainty principle is just more general.

    But from the point of view of relativistic quantum theory, it is more fundamental.

    The matter is that for the theory of relativistic quantum systems the notion of “space coordinate”, as a quantum-mechanical observable (a self-adjoint operator), is not natural. Correspondingly, the uncertainty principle turns out to be sapless.

    Why did not Heisenberg, Bohr, Schrödinger, Fock… have a hunch of the certainty principle?

    Because they did not know relativistic canonical quantization.

    Fortunately, now that the certainty principle is already discovered, for its understanding it is sufficient a usual introductory course of quantum mechanics (knowledge of the RCQ-theory is not necessary).

    A more concrete answer is given in the popular article The certainty principle for dummies.”

    (Source:http://daarb.narod.ru/tcpqa-eng.html)

    In simple English, it means that if you accept that the world alone is Real and Absolute, then the The Theories are Certain.

    If there is more than one world, then the Certainty theory is not correct.

    Now Quantum is proving that there are Multiverses(please read my posts on this subject under Astrophysics).

    In conclusion there is no such thing as certainty at all, except in our Mind.

    Shankaracharya deals this subject very eloquently  in his Mayavada theory, where he proves both  the Worlds, Relative and Real do exist side by side.

    http://transcendentwisdom.wordpress.com/2013/08/18/truth-beauty/

    The Uncertainty Principle.

    In quantum mechanics, the uncertainty principle is any of a variety of mathematical inequalities asserting a fundamental limit to the precision with which certain pairs of physical properties of a particle known as complementary variables, such as position x and momentum p, can be known simultaneously. For instance, the more precisely the position of some particle is determined, the less precisely its momentum can be known, and vice versa.[1] The original heuristic argument that such a limit should exist was given by Werner Heisenberg in 1927, after whom it is sometimes named the Heisenberg principle. A more formal inequality relating the standard deviation of position σx and the standard deviation of momentum σp was derived by Earle Hesse Kennard[2] later that year and by Hermann Weyl[3] in 1928,

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle