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  • VEDAS COMPLIED IN THE ARCTIC WHY HOW BY WHOM ? PART 3 Clarification

    In the previous two articles I have mentioned some facts and did not provide the relevant Links.

    The reason, as I have mentioned in the article is that providing too many Hyperlinks in an article affects the site technically.

    Many have corresponded on the authenticity of the statements I have made in these articles and requested details.

    My intention is to provide information on Indian History and the Purana, Ithihahasa and The Vedas that they are not stories or fantasies but facts and history ,aprt from conveying deep philosophical thoughts.

    However there are some objections to the concept that Arctic was the Home of The Vedas and there are scholars who dispute this, including Professor Vartak.

    I intend anaylsing them in the present series in a separate article.

    One comment on the article is reproduced below and I am providing the information with the link, though it is not a Hyperlink.

    One may copy paste it to read the full article.

    My replies are in Italics.

    Arunachala Shiva.jpg
    Shiva In Thiruvannamalai.

     

    ‘Your intention is good, your effort is commendable, your blog is very informative.

    A little muscle to the foundations of your arguments would help. Could u give references of specific verses from spiritual literature to bolster your arguments. That would help.
    For eg: Arguments like:
    The Vedas refer repeatedly to long periods of day long periods of night.

    ‘The information of the relevant texts are provided in Tilaks Book.

    Link .https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Arctic_Home_in_the_Vedas

    and more by way of objections by Shri Vartak at,

    In his support Tilak cites Rigveda 7-76-2 and 
translates it: "The Devayana path has become visible 
to me. The banner of the Dawn has appeared in the 
east." From this verse he infers that the Devayana 
started at the rise of the Dawn. This inference 
appears correct apparently, but is not true, because 
Tilak himself has told that in the Polar and Arctic 
regions the sun rises in the south. Then how is it 
that the banner of the Dawn was seen in the east? 

Tilak has taken support of Pi try ana also. He 
states that the Hindus consider Pitryana as 
unauspicious for a man to die. This tradition is easily 
and rationally explained if the Pitryana represented 
a period of continuous darkness. The funeral 
ceremonies of any one dying during the long night 
were deferred till the break of the dawn. Now the 
question arises that if there was a continuous spring 
at the Arctic region in the ancient era when Aryas 
lived there, as Tilak says, then is it possible to keep 
the dead body at home for six months?

    Link https://archive.org/stream/ScientificKnowledgeInVedas/Scientific_Knowledge_in_Vedas_djvu.txt

    They also speak of days in yet another context ,extending for 60 Nazhigais,which corresponds to our normal day.

    Southern direction is being treated as some thing beyond more like alien territory.

    When one reads the Vedic Texts,reference to Dravida desa is made as though it is a distant land, though a part of Sanatna Dharma,and it was considered as a place where a sloghly different culture was followed and was considered fit to banish people, as in the case of Viswamitra who banished his 51 sons to the Dravida Desa.

    And Vasishtas Tribes in Dravida desa indicates the southern connection.

    https://ramanisblog.in/2016/11/17/vasishtas-fourteen-dravidian-tribes-greeks-chinese-huns/

    Kanchipuram ,Tamil Nadu tribe is mentioned in Vasishta Viswamitra War.

    Please google viswamitra sons +ramanan50 to read more articles on this subject.

    They were called as Dravida

    The Shiva cult precedes Sanatana Dharma.

    https://ramanisblog.in/2015/07/05/pre-sanatana-dharma-shiva-in-south-predates-sanatana-dharma/

    You may read more articles on this by Googling Pre Sanatna Dharma Shiva.

    But the texts are clear that Shiva as a separate Entity though not in conflict with the Vedas is mentioned as the Ancient One.

    This refers to Then (south) Madurai which was devored by the sea.

    This speaks of a parallel system of philosophy in the south,though not at variance with the the Vedas.

    Lord Shiva is considered to be the founder of the Tamil language.

    Thiruvannamalalai,Tamil Nadu is 3.64 billion years old and Jwalapuram,Cuddapah,Telengana,which houses Nataraja is 74,000 years old.

    For Thiruvannamalai being 3.64 Billion year old,Jwalapuram 74,000 years old, kindly check my articles on these issues by googling the search term plus ramanan50.

    Rest assured my intention is not negative. Kudos and looking forward to read ahead.
    (I hv read Lokmanya Tilak’s Artic theory of the vedas but i am not convinced since a lot of our great scholars and noblemen in those days were under duress to kowtow to the British empire which is understandable. No fault of theirs….Those were very trying times and they did the best what they could do so that we could live in a free India).’

     

    Related.

    Vedas Complied In The Arctic Why How By Whom ? Part 1

  • Twenty Four Rishis Of Gayatri One For Each Syllable

     I have written on the Gayatri Mantra, the most sacred of the Mantras of Hindus, quite a few articles,

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    The Gayatri Mantra.

    its efficacy in realizing The Reality and its effect in warding off evil and its power to sharpen the Intellect and bestowing Prosperity.

    I have also written about the number of letters in the Gayatri Mantra.

    Based on Intonation the Gayatri Mantra has Twenty our letters

    Now, who are the Rishis of the Gayatri Mantra and the Chief Rishi who released the Gayatri Mantra?

    The Rishi who revealed the Gayatri Mantra is Sage Visvamitra.

    The Rishis, according the Nyasa we recite for the Gaytri are seven in number..

    They are,

    Atri,

    Bhrigu,

    Kutsa,

    Vasishta,

    Gautama,

    Kasyapa and

    Angirasa.

    But the Devi  Bhagvatham states there are twenty our Rishis

    The Risis, in due order, are

    (1) Vâma Deva,

    (2) Attri,

    (3) Vas’istha

    ,(4) S’ukra,

    (5) Kanva,

    (6) Parâs’ara,

    (7)  Vis’vamitra,

    (8) Kapila,

    (9) S’aunaka,

    (10) Yâjñavalkya,

    (11) Bharadvâja,

    (12) Jamadagni,

    (13) Gautama,

    (14) Mudgala,

    (15) Vedavyâsa,

    (16) Lomas’a,

    (17) Agastya,

    (18) Kaus’ika,

    (19) Vatsya,

    (20) Pulastya,

    (21) Mânduka,

    (22)  Durvâsâ,

    (23) Nârada and

    (24) Kas’yapa.

    ( 12th Book,Chapter I, Slokas 1 to 7)

    It may be noted that one Rishi seems to have been assigned to One tone(for one syllable)

    And Agastya seem to find a place a well.

    There is Kausika, apart from Viswamitra.

    Viswamitra was known as Kausika when he was a King.

    I am checking on this Kausika as I feel he is another Rishi.

    Reference and citation.

     Devi Bhagavtham

  • Kanchipuram Tribe In Vasishta Viswamitra War

    Many tribes are mentioned in the Ancient texts of India, The Vedas,Puranas,Ramayana, Mahabharata and later works of Poets like Kalidasa.

    The Rig Veda describes the tribes in detail.

    And these mention that some these tribes scattered around the world, thus sowing the seeds of Sanatana Dharma around the world.

    Also there was another civilization flourishing in the south of Vindhya mountains.

    It was the Dravida, now being identified as Lemurianas and MU civilizations.

    Apart from this there were two more civilizations in place.

    Ekambareswarar Temple, Kanchipuram,Tamil Nadu India.jpg
    Ekambareswarar Temple, Kanchipuram,Tamil Nadu India.

    They were,

    The Uighurs and

    The Atlanis People.

    For more details please read my article Rama dropped Atom Bomb.

    The Vedic texts refer to the Dravidians and the Chera,Chola and Pandya Kings.

    They were present during the Swayamvara of Damayanti, which predates Ramayana, of Draupadi and the Rajasuya Yaga of Yudhishtra.

    And the Kings from the South participated in the MahabharataWar.

    Now to the tribes mentioned in the Ancient texts of India.

    The earliest reference is to the Battle of Ten Kings.

    We find references to many tribes.

    There was a war between the Kings mostly from the North of Vindhyas.

    Now there is yet another reference of the  Tribes of India , involving Sage Vasishta and Viswamitra.

    Sage Vasishta, though the Family Priest of the Ikshvaku Dynasty, not much of is heard of him after Ramayana.

    It seems that he left with Shiva and Ganesha towards the west of India during a Tsunami,while Vaiwasvatha Manu left for Ayodhya to found the Ikshvaku Dynasty.

    There is a reference that Sage Viswamitra banished his 51 sons to Dravida Desa( History of the Tamils by PT. Srinivasa Iyeangar).

    Now let us look at these two facts together to find out more about the tribes of Dravida Desa.

    One of the Tribes who took the side of Vasishta against Viswamitra when the latter tried to take away Vasishta’s Cow,Nandini , is the Kanchi .

    Kanchi, Kanchipuram finds a reference in all the Puranas, Ramayana, Mahabharata, Harivamsa of Kalidasa and Bhrthuhari’s works.

    Kanchi was called the learning center of the south like Nalanda in the North.

    Tamil Classics also speak of Kanchi,and the Sangam Literature calls it as Kanchi Mudur,Ancient Kanchi.( The Term Mudur is used only for two cities (Mudur),Madurai and Kanchi).

    These two cities are quite ancient if one goes through these references.

    A Brahmin from Kanchi founded Cambodia Vietnam Thailand

    Kanchi tribe is mentioned in the Mahabharata Thus,

    ‘

    When the sage Vasistha was attacked by king Viswamitra’s army, Vasistha’s cow, Kamadehnu, brought forth from her tail, an army of Palhavas, and from her udders, an army of Dravidas and Sakas; and from her womb, an army of Yavanas, and from her dung, an army of Savaras; and from her urine, an army of Kanchis; and from her sides, an army of Savaras. And from the froth of her mouth came out hosts of Paundras and Kiratas, Yavanas and Sinhalas, and the barbarous tribes of Khasas and Chivukas and Pulindas and Chinas and Hunas with Keralas, and numerous other Mlechchhas.

    In the ancient Indian literature, cow is a symbol of earth or land. Thus the myth mentioned above simply means that, these tribes gathered for the protection of sage Vasistha’s land against the army of king Viswamitra.(

    • Mahabharata, Book 1, Chapter 177)

    References and Citations.

    http://ancientvoice.wikidot.com/mbh:kanchis

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanchi_Kingdom#The_myth_of_origin_of_Kanchis

    ‘

    And some moments after, from her tail she brought forth an army of Palhavas, and from her udders, an army of Dravidas and Sakas; and from her womb, an army of Yavanas, and from her dung, an army of Savaras; and from her urine, an army of Kanchis; and from her sides, an army of Savaras.
    Mbh.5.161.7227 Like a frog having its abode in a well, why art thou not able to realise the might of this vast army of the assembled monarchs, invincible, looking like the very celestial host, and protected by these lords of men, as the heavenly host by the gods themselves, protected that is, by the kings of the East, the West, the South and the North, by the Kamvojas, the Sakas, the Khasas, the Salwas, the Matsyas, the Kurusof the middle country, the Mlechchhas, the Pulindas, the Dravidas, the Andhras, and the Kanchis, this host of many nations, ready for battle, and resembling the uncrossable current of the Ganga.

  • Vasishtas Fourteen Dravidian Tribes Greeks Chinese Huns

    As one researches Indian history , one finds innumerable references to Yavanas(Greeks),Sakas, Nagas,Hunas….

    While we dig deep we find these groups listed as tribes of Bharatavarsha.

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    The Pashupati seal from the Indus Valley Civilization. 2600–1900 BCE

    These references are found from the Rig Veda , the earliest  text of the world and these are repeatedly mentioned in the Ramayana, Mahabharata, Eighteen Puranas, Tamil Sangam Classics, Kalidasa’s Harivamsa and in Kalhana’s Raja Tharangini, among other texts belonging to other Regional languages of India.

    I am providing a sample list and a link to my article on the Vedic Tribes of India.

    https://ramanisblog.in/2015/06/19/tamils-vedic-tribes-yadus-turvasas-rig-veda/

    I have found some curious facts.

    1. Sage Vasshista though listed as the Royal Priest of the Ikshvaku, the Solar Dynasty to which Lord Rama belongs to i mentioned prominently during the period of Dasaratha and Rama and briefly during the period of Ikshvaku when he founded the Dynasty’ Vashista does not find a detailed mention from the period of Ikshvaku and Dasaratha.

    The reference to Vashista along with Ikshvaku is found in the Bhagavatha Purana where it is mentioned that Ikshvaku left the Dravida Desa, South of Vindhya mountains for Ayodhya from where he founded his dynasty.

    He left for Ayodhya because of a Tsunami referred to in detail by the Puranas and Tamil classics.

    The great Flood is mentioned in all ancient texts both religious and non religious.

    Other than these  references  Vashista is missing in the texts.

    Next we hear of him as having accompanied Shiva  to compose the Rig Veda in the Arctic.

    2.We find Sage Agastya moving over to South on two occasions, one at the time of Shiva Uma wedding and again to lead 71 Families out of Dwaraka when Tsunami struck after the Mahabharata War to the south of Vindhyas,

    Please check my articles on this and Agastya’s date has been validated by Star Canopus.

    3.Parashurama settled families in the south from the north.

    Manu left for the north from the South, which means that there has been a civilization before he left.

    There are references  in the Sumerian Kings List to Dasaratha, Rama and Bharatha s Kings of Sumeria.

    Sumerian texts also mention that Rama aligned with  Horus, son of Osiris.

    ‘

    Rama Atlantis War Kavatam periplus Port Window of Lemuria

    As explained in these articles, there seems to have been Four major civilizations then.

    Rama’s Empire,

    Atlantis Empire,

    Uighur Empire and

    Lemurian Empire.

    Of these Uighur was not very advanced and Lemuria which had been on the wane was trying to recoup.

    They were suppressed by the Atlantis people.

    In the Atlantis, Osiris’ son Horus entered into an alliance with Rama to defeat Seth who was trying to become independent in the Sumerian valley.’

    Ramas war against Atlantis

    So there was a civilization in south before Manu left for Ayodhya from the Dravida Desa.

    Then Viswamitra reference is found in the Ramayana and other Indian texts and also the life of Nala and Damayanti and these three ante date Rama.

    Rama’s ancestor Sibi fought against the Dravida tribes and built a temple for Vishnu  at Thiruvellarai, near SriRangam in Tamil Nadu and this temple is older than Srirangam.

    Then there is a detailed  description of the battle between Viswamitra and Vasishta when the former tried to take away the Cow Nandini from Vashista.

    The concept of taking away the Cattle is a common to both the Tamil  and Vedic Culture.

    In Virata parva of Mahabharata, Duryodhana tries to take away the cattle from Virata and the Pandavas fought against him along with Virata.

    The tribes that aligned with Vashista against Viswamitra are,

    ‘Mahabharata links the origin of Dravidas with sage Vasistha. Viswamitra, a king in the Ikshwaku clan, attacked the cow of Vasistha. Then many armies emerged for the protection of that cow and they attacked the armies of Viswamitra. Cow symbolizes land, in ancient Indian scriptures. Thus this war was fought with the tribes allied with Vasista for their own land. Other tribes that were mentioned along with the Dravidas in this incident were Sakas, Yavanas, Savaras, Kanchis, Paundras and Kiratas, Yavanas and Sinhalas, and the barbarous tribes of Khasas, Chivukas, Pulindas, Chinas and Hunas with Keralas, and numerous other Mlechchhas. (1,177)…

    ‘

    The Indus Valley civilisation (2,600-1,900 BCE) located both in Pakistan and India is often identified as having been Dravidian. Cultural and linguistic similarities have been cited by researchers Henry Heras, Kamil Zvelebil, Asko Parpola and Iravatham Mahadevan as being strong evidence for a proto-Dravidian origin of the ancient Indus Valley civilisation.[The discovery in Tamil Nadu of a late Neolithic (early 2nd millennium BCE, i.e. post-dating Harappan decline) stone celt allegedly marked with Indus signs has been considered by some to be significant for the Dravidian identification.

    Yuri Knorozov surmised that the symbols represent a logosyllabic script and suggested, based on computer analysis, an underlying agglutinative Dravidian language as the most likely candidate for the underlying language. Knorozov’s suggestion was preceded by the work of Henry Heras, who suggested several readings of signs based on a proto-Dravidian assumption.

    Linguist Asko Parpola writes that the Indus script and Harappan language are “most likely to have belonged to the Dravidian family”.Parpola led a Finnish team in investigating the inscriptions using computer analysis. Based on a proto-Dravidian assumption, they proposed readings of many signs, some agreeing with the suggested readings of Heras and Knorozov (such as equating the “fish” sign with the Dravidian word for fish, “min”) but disagreeing on several other readings. A comprehensive description of Parpola’s work until 1994 is given in his book Deciphering the Indus Script’

    I Postulate that,

    There was a Dravida Civilization in the South before or started with Manu in the south of Vindhyas,

    The tribes of Dravidas were left behind by Manu when he left for Ayodhya,

    Sage Vasista stayed in the South,

    Later when Viswamitra banished his sons to the south, Dravida civilization was in existence during the Ramayana period,

    Dravidians were called as Dasyus because of their way of Life was different from Sanatana Dharam though they followed the Sanatana Dharma.

    These Dravidian tribes included the ancestors of Greeks, other European tribes, Chinese and Huns.

    I have written on the presence of  lord Shiva in the south much earlier to vedic period.

    I shall explore further and write on the location and dispersal and seeming acrimony with the vedic people, the reasons and Shiva’s Travels throughout the world,

    References and citations.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dravida_Kingdom#Dravida_listed_in_the_ancient_Indian_.28Bharata_Varsha.29_Kingdoms

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dravidian_people#Ancestral_components

    Manu Dravida

    Pasupathy Seal Image credit.

    By unknown Indus Valley Civilization sealmaker from Mohenjodaro archaeological site – http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00routesdata/bce_500back/indusvalley/protoshiva/protoshiva.jpg, Public Domain, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=9325528

  • Rishis Siddhas A Comparison

    The similarities and differences  between the Rishis and the Siddhars are very striking and also very difficult to notice, though this sounds paradoxical.

    Both are Realized souls.

    Both have recorded their experiences with Godhood in the form of Mantras by the Rishis and by Poems by the Siddhars.

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     The 18 sidddhas

    Both have established Guru Sishya Lineage.

    Both have their Idols installed in temples, though they are limited in Number.

    Both were devoted to the welfare of the Mankind.

    Both transcend Time and Space.

    Differences.

    While only seven Rishis are reported to be be beyond Space , Time and live forever, all the Siddhars are Timeless.

    All Siddhars were/are followers of Sanatna Dharma Vedas and a unique system developed by them, The Siddha system, while the Rishis  followed on only Sanatna Dharma.

    Vasishta, Viswamitra, Agstya are some exceptions.

    Siddhars seem to have worshiped only shiva while the Rishis all the Gods.

    Though some siddhars like Bhogar worshiped Goddess Bhuvaneswari, Agastya Ganesha, Subrahmanya.

    The Siddhars worshiped reality, Nirguna Brahman as sound.light and as Saguna Brahman Lord Shiva.

    Most of the Siddhars are from the South of Vindhyas though there are references that the North Indian Guru Parampara came from the Siddhas.

    Please read my articles on this.

    The Rishis, Seekers of Truth
    Rishis of India

    The Siddhas expressed themselves in Tamil while the Rishis in Sanskrit.

    Some Rishis have been advisers to Kings, like Vasishta, no Siddha is associated as an adviser to King.

    All Siddhas have been Rishis while not all Rishis were Siddhas.

    The Yoga system by the Siddhas is slightly different from the one By Patanjali in Sanskrit, though Patanjali is from South and a Siddha.

    Siddhas have developed alternate system of medicine based on hers found in the South, the Rishis , based on the herbs found in the North.