Tag: Vedas

  • Indian Script Began in 3012 BC Beginning Of Kali Yuga

    Apart from wondering about the treasure trove of Hinduism which opens the doors to Wisdom,Knowledge, Information and Spirituality, one thing has been nagging my mind.

    There are thirty million manuscripts 700 poetic meters in Sanskrit.

    https://ramanisblog.in/2015/02/04/thirty-million-manuscripts-700-poetic-meters-amazing-sanskrit/

    and you have the Vedas.

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    First Indus Valley script 2600 BC

    ‘The Vedic literature is composed of many books.

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    The oldest texts are the Rig-veda, Yajur-veda, Sama-veda, and the Atharva-veda. It is said in the Muktikopanishad that these four Vedas had 21, 109, 1000, and 50 branches respectively, with over 100,000 verses. Now, however, we can only find around 20,023 (some say 20,379) verses in total from these four Vedas.

     

     

    It is the oldest book in any Indo-European language and contains the earliest form of all Sanskrit mantras that date back to 1500 B.C. – 1000 B.C. Some scholars date the Rig Veda as early as 12000 BC – 4000 B.C

    https://ramanisblog.in/2013/08/16/rig-veda-date-components-details/

    It is well known that the Hindu Texts were transmitted orally.

    True.

    Even today one can see the Vedas being transmitted orally in India.

    I am amazed at the sheer volume being transmitted only by Oral tradition.

    It is enjoined in the Vedas that one has to study the Vedas from a Guru for Twelve Years.

    Even this can be one Shaka, a portion of a Specific Veda that is assigned to one by tradition.

    How come all the verses, well most of them, are available today?

    Only by Oral tradition?

    Without recourse to any form of writing?

    Well let me leave this for the present.

    But writing must have been in vogue during the Ramayana and Mahabharata Period.

    We have instances of Kings sending emissaries with written Communication ‘Nirupam’

    Sita’s Swayamwara, Damayanti Swayamvara, Draupadis Swayamvara have been communicated to all the Kings of India, then 56 in number.

    And these messages traveled from Ayodhya to Madurai and the present Kerala, to Pandyan and Chera kings respectively.

    The messages as Nirupam implies a language, script.

    Resting aside the  controversy about the common language, which I shall address later, the accepted early script is Brahmi.

    Again there is Tamil Brahmi, Sanskrit Brahmi, Kannada Brahmi.

    Tamil Brahmi is found in the Harappan Civilization.

    Two million year old Rock carving dating to Million years was found in Karnataka.

    Earliest Brahmi script  is assigned a date of 2600 BC

    ‘The first Indian script, developed in the Indus Valley around 2600 B.C. is still undeciphered. Thus, it is still not possible to fully understand this civilization, as we have no readable records of their beliefs, history, rulers or literature’

     

    ‘The Indus valley findings made Indologists acknowledge that writing existed prior to Mauryan writing. Though it has not been deciphered , it clearly shows writing existed in India before atlest 5-2 milliena before christ. Some Indology scholars have tried to show Indus script is derived from script from another civilization. But all these theories have fallen flat. Hrozny tried to derive Indus script from Hittite, Diringer is convinced that no script existed prior to Indus script from which Indus scirpt can be derived. Hunter and Langdon regard Indus script as prototype of Brahmi. The Vedic Scholars believed that Brahmi is from Brahma. It is mentioned in Narada Smriti that if Brahma has not created the art of writing or given excellant eye in the shape of script, the future would not have been deprived of obtaining bright future.

    The Absence of inscriptions since Indus valley is due to widespread use of Paper and Cloth, which are perishable in nature…

    ‘Alberuni believes Indian Alphabet originated with the begining of Kali Age (3102BC).

    Hiuen Tsang speaks of high Antiquity of Indian writing system. Brahmi is stated, in the Chinese Encyclopedia Fa-Wan-Shu-Lin, to be the best of scripts.’

    One of the first great civilizations–with a writing system, urban centers, and a diversified social and economic system–appeared around 3,000 B.C. along the Indus River valley in Punjab and Sindh.

     

    http://www.ancient.eu/article/294/

    I agree with Alberuni the Chinese  ancient .eu ,taking into account the dates of Ramayana and Mahabharata and of course the Vedas.

     

    Sources.
    A Concise History Of Classical Sanskrit Literature By Gaurinath Shastri, Bhattacharyya Shastri Gaurinath
    The rise, decline and renewals of sramanic religious traditions within indic civilisation with particular reference to the evolution of jain sramanic culture and its impact on the indic civilization by Bal patil
    Students’ Britannica India, Volumes 1-5 By Indu Ramchandani
    A Companion to Sanskrit Literature: Spanning a Period of Over Three Thousand … By Sures Chandra Banerji
    On the origin Indian Brahma Alphabet Georg Buhler
    Was Writing Know Before Panini by A Chela
    Agama Aura Tripitaka, Eka Anusilana: Language and Literature By Nagraj (Muni.)

    Citations.

     

    http://www.ancientindia.co.uk/writing/home_set.html

    http://controversialhistory.blogspot.in/search/label/sanskrit

    http://www.stephen-knapp.com/complete_review_of_vedic_literature.htm

    Ramani’s Blog

  • Shiva A Person God or Reality

    The worship of Shiva precedes the Sanatana Dharma and the worship of Shiva seems to have originated from the South of the Vindhya Mountains.

    And the worship of Shiva is intriguing as a God.

    One can find Shiva beibg worshiped as a Human being in the form of Nataraja and in other forms as a Human being, this mode of worship of Shiva in the north of Vindhyas is very limited when compared to the South.

    In the South one can find the worship of  Shiva both as a Linga and as a Human being or resembling a human being.

    In the north the worship of Shiva as Linga is predominant.

    And the worshio of Shiva as Ardhanaresswara form, of Shiva and Devi in one form is prevalent in the south.

    Another interesting point is that the Gods as described in the Vedas do not seem to have a description as a human being.

    Only their attributes are provided in the Sukthas and seem to be a reoresentation of the Principles of Nature.

    Purusha Suktha drscribes the Evolution of the Universe,

    The Narayana, Vishnu, Sri and Durga Sukthas describe the various aspects of the Universe.

    However , the Sri Suktha calls Sri, Lakshmi as the one who resides in the

    House of Sikleetha Rishi- Sikleetha

    Vasame gruhe.

    Excepting these lines no mention is

    Made to the Gods as Humans.

    The core of the Vedas is that the Reality , Brahman is without and beyond Attributes .

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    Shiva In Thiruvannamalai.

    Nirguna.

    However later concept s brought in the description of Gods in rhe image of Man in the Puranas and the Ithihasas Ramayana and Mahabharata.

    Even here there is a uniqueness of Shiva.

    Shiva appears, as recorded in the Tamil Classics and the Thiruvilayadal purana which describes the activities of Shiva at various points  of Times while not much of this nature is found in the literature of North India.

    And note the spread of Hinduism towards the East where Muruga, Subrahmanya worship  is prevalent from Lanka to Australia and the spread of Shiva Cult here and also to thecwest of India from Middle East to  Arctic and Russia.

    However there are legends that Shiva was worshiped as a Tribal Chief.

    Even today the Austrakians perform the Trinetra Dance of Shiva.

    And there is a Temple for Shiva asKratha Shiva’ Shiva the Hunter in Kerala.

    The Indian tribes worship Shiva in their natural abode – jungles, hills, mountains, agricultural fields’ etc. It is the Hindus who brought him into temples. Shiva is always worshiped among the tribals in His presence as lingam.

    In the bramhanical Hindu fold Lord Shiva has several names. Prominent among them are as follows: Shankar, Ashutosh, Shiva, Neelkantha, Jatadhari, Pasupati, Bholanatha, Viswanatha, Baidyanath, Kailashpati, Tripurari, Rameshwar, Ravaneshwar, Somnatha, Mahakal, Omkar, Nagesh, Trayambakeshwar, Chidambaram, Kedranath, Shambhu, Gauripati, Girijapati, Mahadeo, Umapati, Maulishekhar, Shashank-Shekhar, Chandrashekhar, Lingraj, Devadhideva, Hara, Bambhola. His every name makes him unique, peculiar, caring for his believers and followers but careless about himself. He does not run after the worldly affairs and luxuries. He is the divine guru. He is the sun that opens the lotuses of the hearts of great Yogis. He is most compassionate. He absorbs the devotees’ afflictions. He is the manifestation of the three worlds. He abides in bliss. He is delighted with devotees. He is forever blissful. He absolves the sins of the faithful. He lights up his devotees. He is beyond thought. He is associated with right thoughts. He is boundless. He is birth-less. He is without beginning or end. He is associated with knowledge. He is supreme in bliss and knowledge. He is slave of the devotees. He responds to the devotees. He is attentive to the devotees. He is the light of the devotees. He is a killer of devotee’s grief. He is the experience of devotees. He rescues devotes. He supports devotees. He is approachable through pure thoughts. He is the embodiment of consciousness. He has eliminated bodily passions.

    From the available narratives of many tribal communities (as described in the latter part of this paper) it appears that the Hindu ancestors adopted Him much later. Gods are fathers and Lord Shiva is s father like personality for the all other gods. He is the greatest god, Mahadeo. He helps his indigenous people in all walks of life and in all geographical, ecological and natural conditions. He is malevolent. He is benevolent. He is supreme Lord. He is Lord of lords. The Taittiriya Samhita therefore, in the form of Rudra, rightly describes Him:

    “Hail to him of the drum, hail to him of the drum stick, hail to the courageous and to the creations, to him on the footpath, hail to him of the pond, and to rivulet, hail to him of the lake. Hail to him of the well. Hail to him of the rain, hail to him of the cloud, hail to him of the sunshine and to him of the storm. Hail to him of the dwelling and to the guardian of the dwelling (TS.4.5.7.)”.

    Non-tribal and tribal interaction in ancient India started much earlier than the Vedic period. A minute survey of the Rig Vedareveals that these indigenous people were considered low, uncultured, mindless and substandard people and referred to asDasavarna (black colour or Dasa colour),Adavea (the godless community), Ayajyavah(non-sacrificiers), Anindra (non-believers in Indra), Murudeva (worshippers of dummy Gods), Sishnadeva (worshippers of phallic Gods), Mridhravaaka (those whose language was obscure and unintelligible),Maleecha (a non-Aryan) anas (flat nosed people) Akratuh, Avratuh, Ayyajnya, Vratya, Pani, and dasa. Here anas is a tribal andsisnadeva is the phallus god- Lord Shiva. Tribals with black skin were humiliated by the Vedic community as dasavarna where as other tribes were criticized on the basis of their flat nose. They were initially not permitted to mix up with the Hindu community but very soon it was realized that the existence of Vedic cult would not be possible without incorporating the existence of Shiva in the Vedas. And all of a sudden in the later part of Rig-Veda we see how Rudra has appeared with his all power and grace combining malevolent and benevolent characters.

    The three Vedas – Rig, Sam and Yajur – were recognized as canonical and calledTrayi Vidya (the threefold knowledge). TheAtharva Veda (atharvam = charm), written later, was included in the canon only after a long struggle. Influenced by the religious and ritual practices of the tribes, which they used to practice in order to appease the gods (and many of them are still doing), it included spells and incantations for the practice of magic.

    Slowly and gradually the Vedas developed six major limbs – Vedanga-s:

    1. a) Siksha (Phonetic Science which mainly deals with pronunciation)
    2. b) Vyakarana (Grammar)
    3. c) Nirukti (Context conclusive meaning; etymology)
    4. d) Chandas (Meter)
    5. e) Jyotisha (Time Science; astronomy & astrology)
    6. f) Kalpa (Rituals)

    The seers and scholars who realized these aspects of knowledge from the Vedas, composed Sutras (short but potent phrases which convey a lot of meanings) on eachVedanga. Kalpa-sutra-s are of four categories, viz., Srouta (collective sacrifices), Grhya(family rituals), Dharma (occupational duties) and Sulba (building of sacrificial fireplaces, altars etc.).

    According to the different levels of conditioned consciousness there are instructions in the Vedas for worship of different controllers, with the aim of reaching different destinations and enjoying different standards of sense enjoyment. Agamas(emanated scriptures) are books which are classified into five for this purpose:

     

    Basic nature of the

     Deity

    Deity who controls
    Branch of Agama

     

     

    Energy

     

    Shakti

    Shakta Agamas
    Visible source (

    Sun)

    Surya Sourya Agamas
    Controller Ganapati Ganapatya Agamas
    Destroyer Shiva Saiva Agamas
    Ultimate source Vishnu Vaikhanasa Agamas

    Slowly and gradually the Vedic seers and scholars made the place for the tribal people and their rituals and tantrikpractices in the Vedic fold. They said, for those who are below standard for Vedic purificatory process, Lord Shiva gave theTantra Shastra-s. These have two general classifications, right and left. While the right aspect contains regulations for purification for those who are grossly engaged in meat eating, intoxication and illicit sex, the left aspect contains low class activities like black magic etc.

    We find some legends of Lord Shiva Among the tribals of Chotanagpur, now in Jharkhand. I will begin with the case study of the Santhal – the largest Tribal community of Jharkhand. The supreme God of Santhal is called Marang Buru, Thakur Buru, or Mahadeo. His character is basically very similar to that of Shiva. Interestingly, the great and historicalJyotirlinga of Baidyanath, popularly known as Ravaneshwar Mahadeo, is located in the heartland of Santhal at Deoghar. Many Santhals claim that it is the entry point to the Santhal Territory. It is a place where all gods and goddesses reside with Lord Baidyanath. The prominent characteristic of the Santhal religious practices is belief in and worship of spirits or bongas and worship in the sacred grove.’

    There is a school of thought  which states that cthe Shiva worship was drwan to Sanatana Dharma from the South and later incorporated in the Vedic  and puranas.

    In essence the vedas treat Shiva more as Principle than as Human Being.

    But considering the numerous references to Shiva as a Human being , the spread of Sanatana Dharma by Shiva and His son Ganesha, the archaeological finds around the world,mostly among the tribes who worship Shiva as their ancestor, I am of the opinion that Shiva wa a human being and He was a realized soul.

    Note that the Siddhas consider Shiva as the first Siddha.

    Siddhas transcend time and Space.

    The view that human beings are God is not incompatible with Hinduism..

    Man is a part of the Reality, Brahman

    Those who Realize the Self are elevated to God hood.

    Thus Shiva was a human being who realized Self and was elevated to Godhood embodying the principles of the Universe and The Tantra Sasta, the means of realuzing Self.

    Citation and references.

     

    http://ignca.nic.in/kmsh0003.htm

     

     

  • Rig Veda Guru Parampara

    I have written a series of articles on the Vedas, the Scripture of the Hindus, texts,translations,thecway they have been transmitted and the chain for passing on the oral tradition.
    Each Veda, that is Rig, Yajur, Sama and Atharva veda has different Guru Parampara.
    Given below in the image is the Rig Veda Guru Parampara.

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    The Rig veda has a collection of 10472 riks(mantras)with valakhilya sookta comprising of 80 mantras.this is the oldest form of knowledge in the world today.The Riks are the collection of lyrics in praise of different Gods ,recited by the priests known as HOTA.Special exphasis is laid on soul’s awakening,It has universal appeal:” Let all men meet and think as with one mind.Let all hearts unite in Love.Let the goal be common.May all live in happiness with common purpose”SageRishi Paila has composed this veda under the instructions of Bhagavan Vyasa.
    Vedics who have mastered Rig veda tatva ,HOTAS can perform yagas and homas.
    Rig veda comprises of the following divisions.
    Brahmana
    Aranyaka
    Samhita
    With two shakas one in Bhaskala and another in Bhaskala shaka.

    Citation and reference.
    http://www.sbtvf.org/vedas/literature.php

  • What Is Parampara Three Types Of Gurus

    The Vedas ‘, the Basic Scripture of the Hindus are not in wriiten form.
    They have been transmitted orally.
    The amazing fact is that the intonation of The Vedas in India,a country spread over three thousand miles in length with over 21 languages and about 1350 dialects,is the same thrughout the country.

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    Sringeri Guru Parampara.

    The Vedas are believed to be not man made, they are Aparusheya, not made by Man.
    They were grasped from Ether by the Rishis, Seers.
    For more on Vedas please read my posts.
    The Vedas have been transmitted orally by a Perceptor, Guru to the disciple Sishya in an unbroken chain.
    This transmission chain is called Parampara.
    There are four Vedas.
    Rig, Yajur( shukla and krishna), Sama and Atharva
    Each has one Parampara.
    Parampara (Sanskrit: परम्परा, paramparā) denotes a succession of teachers and disciples in traditional Vedic culture and Indian religions such as Hinduism, Sikhism, Jainism and Buddhism. It is also known as guru-shishya tradition (“succession from guru to disciple”).

    The Sanskrit word literally means an uninterrupted row or series, order, succession, continuation, mediation, tradition.In the traditional residential form of education, the shishya remains with his or her guru as a family member and gets the education as a true learner.

    In some traditions there is never more than one active master at the same time in the same guruparamaparya (lineage)

    Types of Gurus.
    In paramapara, not only is the immediate guru revered, the three preceding gurus are also worshipped or revered. These are known variously as the kala-guru or as the “four gurus” and are designated as follows:

    Guru – the immediate guru
    Parama-guru – the Guru of the Parampara or specific tradition (e.g. for the Śankaracharya’s this is Adi Śankara)

    Parātpara-Guru – the Guru who is the source of knowledge for many traditions (e.g. for the Śankaracharya’s this is Vedavyāsa)

    Parameṣṭhi-guru – the highest Guru, who has the power to bestow mokṣa (usually depicted as Śiva, being the highest Guru.

    Sources.

    ^ Monier Monier-Williams (1899). A Sanskrit-English Dictionary. Oxford: Oxford University Press. p. 587(column a). OL 6534982M.
    ^ Srimad Bhagavatam 7.12.1, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, The Bhaktivedanta Book Trust, 1976, ISBN 0-912776-87-0
    ^ Padoux, André. “The Tantric Guru” in White, David Gordon (ed. 2000). Tantra in Practice, p. 44. Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press.

  • Stotra Mantra Parayana Differnce

    Unlike other Religions,Hinduism has Prayers of different types.

    There are three different types in terms of how these were arrived at, whom they are addressed to and the results sought for.

    Before understanding the differences , one must know that in Hinduism, as its fundamental Truth as enunciated in the Vedas, the Sacred texts of the Hindus,describes the Reality, called Brahman, is distinct from Brahma, The God of Creation,is Without Name and Form.

    The Brahman is with out Attributes, with Attributes and beyond Attributes,

    It is to be experienced and is Beyond space,time,senses,mind and time.

    It is Being, Consciousness and Bliss, Sat, Chit and Ananda.

    The purpose of Life is to realize the Brahman, The Reality behind the noumenon, the world of Names and Forms, the substratum of the Universe, both Macro and Micro.

    To achieve this, the impediment called Mind is to be Stilled.

    The cessation of the Modification of Chitta is Yoga or Union with the Reality.

    Ganesa Lakshmi Stotram.jpg
    Ganesa Lakshmi Stotram.

    ( Chitta is a Higher plane of Cognition, please read my posts on Yoga, Chitta)

    To Still the Mind, the thoughts or the thought waves are to be stopped.

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    Rama, Hanuman. SundaraKanda Parayana.

    But as The Mind, by its nature, is always after a thousand thoughts, it is difficult to control it,

    However it can be done by Right Determination,Knowledge and Practice, says Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita( Gnana and Vairaagya)

    So in the process of quieting and making the Mind still, Hinduism advocates Worship of Gods with Forms, though in Reality they do not exist.

    However as Krishna says , even these Gods of Names and forms are relatively Real in the sense that they grant the boons one wishes for and Krishna says He assumes the Forms and Names Of Gods and Goddesses addressed by the practitioner and deliver the results.

    So Gods of Hinduism are Real and not Real at the same time.

    For details read my post ‘Hinduism, Gods with Name and Form ,Yes Or No’.

    As Human dispositions and needs are varied,, so are the Gods.

    One may like Mother, Father, Friend , Lover, son, daughter…

    To establish a relationship, each needs a unique approach and there can be no uniform and a single window approach.

    So the Gods vary and your modes of address vary.

    One does not address Mother as he would his Father, Lover or Friend.

    So the prayers vary.

    Generally there are three types of Prayers.

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    Avalokeswara Mantra.

    1.Stotra/Stuthi.

    2.Parayana and

    3.Mantras.

    Stotras.

    Stotra is from the root Stuthi, meaning ‘Praise’

    If one were to get some thing from some one superior in Station, one praises him or her to get the things done for one who wishes for.

    So in a Stotra one finds Praises of Gods, extolling their virtues, then requesting them to grant one’s Wishes.

    We have a large collection of these Stotras.

    These Stotras are also of different kinds.

    One is by Gods themselves addressing the other Gods, like Krishna’s Siva Stuthi or Rudra’s Mantra Rajapadham addressed to Lord Narasimha, Indra’s Krishna Stuthi.

    These are addreed to Gods whom one likes.

    Another type is by the Great Rishis , like Hayagreeva’s Lalitha Sahasranama.

    Yet another type is by great personalities like Bhishma, The Vishnu Sahasranama; the various slokas of Adi Shankaracharya, Swami Desikan,Ramanujacharya, Madhwacharya….

    All these deliver results in terms of efficacy in the descending order described

    Some of these Rishis have Prayers to a Particular Deity.

    In this case it is not necessary that the God one choses to worship need be what one likes.

    These Gods produce results because of the fact that the Hymn is composed by a realized Soul.

    2.Parayana.

    A Stuthi or a Stotra by a Great Rishi like  Valmiki, The Sundara Kanda of Ramayana is recited in a prescribed format for a fixed duration is called Parayana.

    People also do this regularly as they do Lalitha Sahasra nama and Visnu Sahasranama.

    The Parayana prayers may be from any of Language.

    The basic requirement is Faith.

    3.Mantra is different as they are locked Sounds . grasped by the Rishis, in a mysterious way.

    Mantras, are the essence of Sound and Sound in its pure form is Mantra.

    Mantras control Sound.

    The difference between Mantras and the other two Types is that Mantras deliver guaranteed results, if one follows the procedures laid down.

    Whereas in the case of Stotra or Parayana,the Divine intervention is left to  the pleasure of the God addressed to, in the case of Mantras, the Gods are obliged to grant the requests as they represent the essence of Reality and in fact the Form of Gods themselves.

    That is why even A Raskshasa can deliver a Brahmastra by invoking a Mantra.

    Mantras can be addressed to specific Gods and also to Reality in its Attributeless Form.

    Or the Mantra can be a combination of sounds mystically locked.

    More to follow on the scientific explanation of Mantras, their validity analysis by Spectroscopy,Cymatics

     

    https://ramanisblog.in/2014/08/06/mantras-types-procedure-anushtana-details/