Lord Shiva, not to be confused with Rudra, who is an Amsa of Shiva, is called ,
Anaadi, without a Beginning,
Ayonija, one who does not stay in the womb.
He, as an Avatar,appears from nowhere and disappears in a flash, unlike Vishnu, who in His avatars was born of a human being.
Some of my researches show that Lord Shiva lived as a Human being before being elevated into Godhood, but this needs additional proof( I am working on it)
One also finds that Parvati, Shiva’s wife is called,
Poorvaja, beyond beginning, elder to the beginning, Poorva Plus Aja.
Despite the Polytheism of the Vedas, the core message is that the Reality is
without Attributes,
without name and Form and is a
Principle.
The Upanishads spend the whole text on this point.
However, as Hinduism is aware of the fact that it is difficult for the mind to concentrate on a Vacuum, allows the worship of personal Gods as a tool for Self Realization.(Iswara)
Patanjali speaks of this in his Yoga Sutras as Iswarapranidhaana.
However one finds one God being placed ona higher pedestal than the others in Hindu texts.
This is called Henotheism.
This is to instill a higher degree of faith to the deity one is inclined to worship.
So we find various gods being praised as being Superior to the others, while the Reality Brahman is without name and Form.
As to Shiva , when compared to other Deities he is more often described as The One who is without a Beginning.
Tamil calls Him as Piravaa Yaakaip Periyon,
The Eldest who is Never Born.
But as I said earlier each Purana Praises One God.
Many mistake the birth of Rudra to that of Shiva.
Excerpt fro Srimad Bhagavatham(SB)
SB 3.12.4: In the beginning, Brahma created four great sages named Sanaka, Sananda, Sanatana and Sanat-kumara. All of them were unwilling to adopt materialistic activities because they were highly elevated due to their semen’s flowing upwards.
SB 3.12.5: Brahma spoke to his sons after generating them. “My dear sons,” he said, “now generate progeny.” But due to their being attached to Vasudeva, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, they aimed at liberation, and therefore they expressed their unwillingness.
SB 3.12.6: On the refusal of the sons to obey the order of their father, there was much anger generated in the mind of Brahma, which he tried to control and not express.
SB 3.12.7: Although he tried to curb his anger, it came out from between his eyebrows, and a child mixed blue and red was immediately generated.
SB 3.12.8: After his birth he began to cry: O destiny maker, teacher of the universe, kindly designate my name and place.
SB 3.12.9: The all-powerful Brahma, who was born from the lotus flower, pacified the boy with gentle words, accepting his request, and said: Do not cry. I shall certainly do as you desire.
SB 3.12.10: Thereafter Brahma said: O chief of the demigods, you shall be called by the name Rudra by all people because you have so anxiously cried.
SB 3.12.11: My dear boy, I have already selected the following places for your residence: the heart, the senses, the air of life, the sky, the air, the fire, the water, the earth, the sun, the moon and austerity.
SB 3.12.12: Lord Brahma said: My dear boy Rudra, you have eleven other names: Manyu, Manu, Mahinasa, Mahan, Siva, Ritadhvaja, Ugrareta, Bhava, Kala, Vamadeva and Dhritavrata.
SB 3.12.13: O Rudra, you also have eleven wives, called the Rudranis, and they are as follows: Dhi, Dhriti, Rasala, Uma, Niyut, Sarpi, Ila, Ambika, Iravati, Svadha and Diksh.
SB 3.12.14: My dear boy, you may now accept all the names and places designated for you and your different wives, and since you are now one of the masters of the living entities, you may increase the population on a large scale.’
Now there is video that explains the birth of Shiva quoting a text which says that Shiva declared that Brahma to be His father, Vishnu ,Grandfather and he ( Shiva) is his great Grand father.(Posted at the beginning of the Post)
While this makes an interesting read, there is no authentic source for this.
The similarities and differences between the Rishis and the Siddhars are very striking and also very difficult to notice, though this sounds paradoxical.
Both are Realized souls.
Both have recorded their experiences with Godhood in the form of Mantras by the Rishis and by Poems by the Siddhars.
The 18 sidddhas
Both have established Guru Sishya Lineage.
Both have their Idols installed in temples, though they are limited in Number.
Both were devoted to the welfare of the Mankind.
Both transcend Time and Space.
Differences.
While only seven Rishis are reported to be be beyond Space , Time and live forever, all the Siddhars are Timeless.
All Siddhars were/are followers of Sanatna Dharma Vedas and a unique system developed by them, The Siddha system, while the Rishis followed on only Sanatna Dharma.
Vasishta, Viswamitra, Agstya are some exceptions.
Siddhars seem to have worshiped only shiva while the Rishis all the Gods.
Though some siddhars like Bhogar worshiped Goddess Bhuvaneswari, Agastya Ganesha, Subrahmanya.
The Siddhars worshiped reality, Nirguna Brahman as sound.light and as Saguna Brahman Lord Shiva.
Most of the Siddhars are from the South of Vindhyas though there are references that the North Indian Guru Parampara came from the Siddhas.
Please read my articles on this.
Rishis of India
The Siddhas expressed themselves in Tamil while the Rishis in Sanskrit.
Some Rishis have been advisers to Kings, like Vasishta, no Siddha is associated as an adviser to King.
All Siddhas have been Rishis while not all Rishis were Siddhas.
The Yoga system by the Siddhas is slightly different from the one By Patanjali in Sanskrit, though Patanjali is from South and a Siddha.
Siddhas have developed alternate system of medicine based on hers found in the South, the Rishis , based on the herbs found in the North.
Not for nothing Dr. Radhakrishnan, former President of India and a Philosopher said that ,
‘Indian Philosophy is not a view of Life, but a Way of Life’.
It is one thing to read,study the Vedas and other Hindu Texts but it is another proposition to understand its soul and ethos.
Mere Intellectual or Bhakthi approach would not help one to understand the spirit of Hinduism.
Hinduism should be lived and practiced for years to understand it in its multifarious aspects.
Mere abstraction would remain just that, an intellectual Narcissism..
Mere Bhakthi, or total surrender to God , though highly recommended, is likely to lead one into disappointment as this path is, though seems easy to say, is the toughest to practice.
One must understand that Hinduism is a personal Religion in the sense that one can practice it the way it suits him, so long it is in conformity with the Vedas.
As individuals are numerous, so are their mental attitudes.
Hence Hinduism provides four paths to follow so that people of different mindsets can follow Spirituality.
They are,
Karma Yoga, Path of Action,
Gnana Yoga, Path of Knowledge,
Raja Yoga, Path of Mental and Physical Discipline and
Bhakthi Yoga, the Path of total surrender.
The fact that one is emphasized in the Vedas and other Hindu texts, when they speak of a particular path, does not mean that the other Paths are inferior.
They are spoken this way so as to instill in the mind the conviction to follow the path that appeals to them and such sayings reinforces the attitude.
The same logic applies to Nirguna Brahman,Reality without Attributes and Saguna Brahman,Reality with Attributes.
(for details please read my article God with names and forms Yes and No)
This one can understand from the Vedas, Puranas, Ithihasas and the Slokas /Mantras.
One would, in the same breath, the Vedas talk about Nirguna Brahman and Saguna Brahman.
One would find the Reality being described as a principle, Nirguna, in the Mahavakyas thus,
prajñānam brahma – “Prajña is Brahman” or “Brahman is Prajña”(Aitareya Upanishad 3.3 of the Rig Veda)
ayam ātmā brahma – “This Self (Atman) is Brahman” (Mandukya Upanishad 1.2 of the Atharva Veda)
tat tvam asi – “Thou art That” (Chandogya Upanishad 6.8.7 of the Sama Veda)
aham brahmāsmi – “I am Brahman”, or “I am Divine” (Brhadaranyaka Upanishad 1.4.10 of the Yajur Veda)
Then you find in the Narayana Suktha.
Narayanam mahagyem Viswaathmaanam Parayanam,
Vishnu Suktha,
Vishnornukam veeryani pravosam..
or the Sri Rudram,
nama sivaya cha, Sivadharaaya Cha,
where the Individual deities are praised.
or look a the Lalitha Sahasranama, where a portion is allotted for worshiping the Devi as Nirguna, the chapter being Nirguna Upasna and another Saguna Upasna where personal deity is worshiped.
So both options are provided.
Reading one and discarding the other is not compatible with the Vedas.
Quoting Vedas in isolation lands one into situations and interpretations that run counter to Vedas themselves, as it has happened in the case of the Mimamsa.
The Karma Kanda, the portion of the Vedas that deal with duties and performance of Yagas and Yagnyas, was carried to such an extreme that only the Karmas in the form of Yagnyas were followed and the Gnana and Bhakthi were totally omitted..
And the performance of only Yagnas and sacrifices caused a revulsion among people and this one of the reasons for the raise of Buddhism.
And many Gods were worshiped in the Yagnyas.
It took all the Life of Shankaracharya to set matters right and establish the authority of the Vedas, by systematizing worship into Shanmaha, Six systems of worship.
And he reestablished the concept of Nirguna Upasna and also provided room for Saguna Upasna.
Iswara concept found in Patanjali’s yoga Sutra was reinforced by him.
Such being the case I was shocked to find an observation by Stephen Knapp who has done yeoman service to Hinduism by propagating Sanatana Dharma concept that Shankaracharya misinterpreted the Vedas!
and
he quotes Padma Purana and Siva Purana.
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We must point out that some spiritual authorities say that Shankaracharya was an incarnation of Lord Shiva who had been ordered by the Supreme Lord to cheat the atheists. The Shiva Purana quotes the Supreme Lord as ordering Shiva: “In Kali-yuga mislead the people in general by propounding imaginary meanings from the Vedas [Vedic literature] to bewilder them”:
dvaparadau yuge bhutva
kalaya manushadishu
svagamaih kalpitais tvam ca
janan mad-vimukhan kuru 1
The Padma Purana also says that Lord Shiva would descend as a brahmana sannyasi and teach Mayavada philosophy in the verse:
mayavada ashat shastram prachchanna
boudhyam uchyate moya ebe godidam
devi kalou brahmana murtina
To do this, Shankara gave up the direct method of Vedic knowledge and presented an indirect meaning which actually covered the real goal of Vedanta. This is confirmed in the Padma Purana where Lord Shiva addresses his wife, Parvati:
shrinu devi pravaksyami
tamasani yathakramam
yesham shravana-matrena
patityam jnaninam api
apartham shruti-vakyanam
darshayal loka-garhitam
karma-svarupa-tyajyatvam
atra ca pratipadyate
sarva-karma-paribhramsan
naiskarmyam tatra cocyate
paratma-jivayor aikyam
mayatra pratipadyate
“My dear wife, hear my explanations of how I have spread ignorance through Mayavada philosophy. Simply by hearing it even an advanced scholar will fall down. In this philosophy which is certainly very inauspicious for people in general, I have misrepresented the real meaning of the Vedas and recommended that one give up all activities in order to achieve freedom from karma. In this Mayavada philosophy I have described the jivatma and Paramatma to be one and the same.” 2
The Padma Purana, in the quote that follows, describes how Lord Shiva tells his wife, Parvati, that he would appear in Kali-yuga to teach the impersonalistic philosophy, which is impious and merely a covered form of Buddhism. Yet, as explained next, there was a purpose for it.
mayavadam asac-chastram
pracchannam bauddham ucyate
mayaiva kalpitam devi
kalau brahmana rupini
brahmanas caparam rupam
nirgunam vaksyate maya
sarvasvam jagato’py asya
mohanartham kalau yuge
vedante tu maha-shastre
mayavadam avaidikam
mayaiva vaksyate devi
jagatam nasha-karanat
“The Mayavada philosophy is impious. It is covered Buddhism. My dear Parvati, in the form of a brahmana in Kali-yuga I teach this imagined Mayavada philosophy. In order to cheat the atheists I mislead them by describing the Supreme Lord to be without any personal form or qualities.”
Herein, Lord Shiva himself points out that to believe God has no form is not accurate and is equal to atheism. Even though this Mayavada philosophy was not good for pious people to hear because it would sway them toward an impersonalistic viewpoint, we should note that Shankara’s philosophy was just right for the time and circumstance. The Buddhists, who had spread throughout India and neglected the Vedas, believed in neither a soul nor a God and that, ultimately, the essence of everything is the nothingness or void wherein lies nirvana, freedom from all suffering. So considering how the Buddhists had followed a philosophy of what would generally be considered atheism for hundreds of years and would never have accepted a viewpoint which advocated a supreme personal God, Shankara’s was the only philosophy they would have considered. It was like a compromise between atheism and theism, but Shankara used portions of Vedic knowledge as the basis of his arguments. In this way, as Shankara traveled throughout India his arguments prevailed. Thus, Buddhism bowed and Vedic culture was brought back to prominence. Therefore, his purpose was accomplished, so much so that his Sariraka-bhasya is considered the definitive rendition of Vedanta even to the present day.’
Totally wrong interpretation.
If Bhaja Govindam is quoted to buttress the view that Shankaracharya was really only after
Bhakthi to Vishnu, what about his nirvana Shatgam ,Manisha Panchakam, Soundarya Lahari,Kanakadhara Sthavam,Subrahmanya Bhujanga,Ganesha Pancharatnam?
Shankaracharya should be studie in full an no in bits.
And if proof is needed that there are interpolations in the Puranas, Padma Purana and Shiva Purana, this is it.
This accusation against Shankaracharya is not new.
He was also called a Pseudo-Buddhist for His Advaita!
If Shankaracharya was misquoting the Vedas, then how come the Mahavakyas I have quoted above speak of Nirguna Brahmana and not Saguna Brahman, Reality without Attributes?
‘AUM
That supreme Brahman is infinite, and this conditioned Brahman is infinite.
The infinite proceeds from infinite.
Then through knowledge, realizing the infinitude of the infinite, it remains as infinite alone-
Mundaka Upanishad.
Great indeed are the devas who have sprung out of Brahman.-Atarva Veda.
‘satyam jnanam anantam brahman
“Brahman is of the nature of truth, knowledge and infinity” -Taittriya Upanishad.
One of the strengths of Sanatana Dharma is its Oral tradition of transmitting texts, both Philosophical and Scientific.
But the sheer volume defies imagination.
Ancient scripts, Origin
“With Thirty Million Manuscripts existing even today,Sanskrit is the oldest Language of the world and the Rig Veda which is in Sanskrit is the oldest literature of the world”
Is it possible for any race to transmit such a large volume only by Oral tradition?
Could the people of Ancient India, of Sanatana Dharma, Bharatvarsha Read and Write?
Western Scholars think it s possible and declare that the ancient Indians had Super Memories!
Evolution of South Asian Scripts.
For this is convenient to deny at a later stage and declare that such a feat is impossible and hence the such oral traditions are a myth and hence can be dismissed as interpolations and a latest date may be assigned to them
The fact that one finds Sanskrit Brahmi, and Tamil Brahmi were found in Indus Valley civilizations..
This at the latest is dated at 3000 to 5000 BC
And the finding of Kannada Brahmi in Karnataka.
And Tamil Sangam Literature speaks of the Vedas, its texts.
Consider the Mathematical , Biological, Astronomy,Genetics, texts which involve writing of the highest order.
Imagine building, for example,The Thanjavur Big Temple or any other Temples and structures which could not have been built with ot written calculations and drawings
And,
‘western scholars of Indology said: “Entire absense of writing, reading, paper, or pen in vedas, or during Brahamana period and complete silence in Sutra period(When art of writing was beginning to be known), the whole Literature of India was preserved in oral tradition only”
Weber who wants to bring all history to later than Biblical period admits:
“Europe has 10,000 sanskrit texts and considering that we have tens of thousands which the parsimony of karma has hithherto withheld form Museums and libraries of Europe, what a memory must have been their!.”
Indian super Memory
The Immemorial practice with students of sanskrit literature has been to commit to memory the various subjects of their study and this practice of oral tradition has preserved the ancient Vedic texts. This fact has led Western Indology scholars to surmise that writing was unknown in the earliest period of Indian Civilization and that the later forms of the alphabet were not of pure Indian growth.
So According to these Western Indology Scholars, Indians have Super Human Memory. By Which they can not only memorize scores of documents, but they can also transmit through generations. Wow!, Who said science fiction is 20th century Stuff.
We are looking at this question. Did writing existed prior to Mauryas?
Panini
Panini is best known grammarian of India. Muller says that there is no single term in the panini terminology which presupposes the existence of writing. So we go to find out.
Panini almost singlehandendly brought together the classical sanskrit grammer. He mentions Grantha the equivalent for written or bound book in the later days in India. For Max Muller Granta mean simply a composition, which is handed down the generation by oral tradition. In short Panini is illiterate and somehow he produced one of the most eloborate and scientific set grammer ever known to mankind till today.Remember Panini has given 3996 rules for Classical Sanskrit Grammar.
Writing in Literature
Classical Sanskrit Literature
The direct reference to writing classical sanskrit according to Indologists in literature are found to be in the Dharmasutra of Vasistha, which Dr.Buhler thinks, was composed around 8th century BC. Some scholars will assign this work 4th century BC as well.Astadhyayi of panini contains such compounds as Lipikara and Libikara, which evidently mean writer. The date of panini is not fixed, prof.Goldstucker puts him 8th century BC, others put him in 4 the century BC. The Vedic works contain technical terms like aksara, kanda, patala, grantha and the like, which is clear indication of writing. Of course Indology scholars wont accept them.
Buddhist age
There are quite a large number of passages in the SriLanka’s Tipitaka, which bear witness to an acquaintance with writing and to its extensive use.
At the time when Buddhist cannons were composed. Lekha and Lekhaka are mentioned in the Bhikkhu pacittiya and Bhikkhuni pacittiya.
In the Jatakaas, constant meniton is made of letters being written. The Jatakas know of proclamations.
Epic Age
Epics contains archaic expressions such as likh, Lekha, Lakhaka, Lekhana but not lipi, which some scholars think is foriegn orgin. So Writing was known in Epic Age.
Vedic Literature
We find clear evidence in wide spread use of writing in the vedic period. Written documents are mentioned as legal documents.
Scripts
Brahmi
The earliest surviving written record other than Indus script is Piprawa vase inscription discovered by Colonel Claxton peppe. This Inscription is a prakrit before the prakrits of magadhi or sourasheni developed, so differently interpreted. This is dated to early part of 5th century BC.
Next comes Sohaura Copper plate , which Dr.Smith puts before Ashoka by 50 years.
The Inscriptions of Ashoka is all over India. This shows that Writing was well used in Royal courts and the writting was well understood by common people.
Dr.Weber came with view that Brahmi is borrowed from South Arab tribe. But this has been dismissed by Dr. Buhler.
Buhler Identified certain Brahmi letters were identical to 9th-7th BC century Inscriptions found in Assyria. One third of 23 Alphabets are identical to Brahmi letters. This Indologists suggestions that the Brahmi letters were derived from these letters from all Indology scholars including Buhler. But we have to note that the tribes in question are belonging belonging to Indian Tribe. This script traveled from India to Middle east.
Jain Stupa unearthed at the Kankali Tila site of Mathura regarded by Vincent Simith as the oldest known stupa then (Before Indus valley sites were discovered). Smith dated it to be 600 BC for erection. Dr.Fuhrer who supervised the excavation found out that it contained a inscription Deva Stupa in a script, so old that it was forgotten.
Indus Script
Indus Script has 250-500 characters. Some of the Seals seems to be Bilingual with Indus script next to the symbols. Seeming symbols to be for traders from other languages. So Indus valley is literate culture.”
So the Ancient Indians knew Reading and writing and transmitted Vedic Texts orally to ensure that they are not destroyed.
It is customary in India especespeciin Tamil Nadu to point out fingers at Brahmins for everything.
This has been the favorite pastime over the last 50 to 60 years.
Prior to this Brahmins were respected for their contribution to the society.
The advent of Moguls saw a shift in the approach of other communities in India towards the Brahmins.
The first act of forcing a Brahmin into circumcision was committed by Mir Qasim, the Invader and he sowed the seeds of mistrust among the other communities about Brahmins
This was followed by all the subsequent rulers and the mistrust reached its zenith during the British regime in India.
The Britishers knew ,as well as the Portugese that so long as Brahmins were respected their religion,Christianity could not grow its roots in India.
The objective was clear to them,
Sow the mistrust and reap the rewards.
This has been paying dividends to such an extent that Brahmins are driven to their back foot, most of them migrating to other states in India where there is relatively less persecution.
Before I proceed further let me narrate two incidents.
About ten years back( I was 55 then), my family went to out maternal grandfathergr s Naive village, Anaippatti aka Akkaraippatti, Madurai District en route from Madurai to Palani,Tamil Nadu.
My grandfather who is no morem was a zamindar of sorts in those daysd
When I walked down the fields( we own nothing there in the village now), an elderly man of about 75 years, he was not a Brahmin, looked at me keenly and asked me thus.
Sir, Are you related to Ramaiya Sami ( Ramaih is my grandfather’s known name and Sami is a term of repspect in Tamil),
‘Yes,I am his grandson.
Immediately he unwound the turban he had on his head and kept it in his armpit.
I asked him why he should do this.
He replied that it is a form of respect.
I asked him why should he do this and was it because he was scared of my grandfather when he was alive.
He was greatly agitated and stated that that my grandfather was like the head of his Family and he would always look up to him for help and advice
And the he was what he was because of my grandfather .
and all the families in the village felt the same way.
I again asked him that may be he was right but where was the necessity for him to do the honor to me.
He replied if he did not do that even God would not forgive him for his ingratitude!
This noble man , in modern society is classified as a Dalit
Another instance.
I was on a pilgrimage tour to Kumbakonam and surrounding places.
I stayed in a small village nearby in the Home of elderly man of about 75 years.
When we went in , the elderly man( he is no more now), he was deeply engrossed in conversation with a man whom I came know later to be the Chief of the Village.
He was sitting on the floor while the elderly gentleman was reclining in an Easy chair.
When Lunch neared he asked all of us, including the Viilage Chief, to eat.
The man politely refused and stayed on while we ate.
He left after talking with the elderly man.
When we left for the temple,we saw him near the end of the street.
I wished him and casually asked him as to why he did not eat along with us and whether it has any thing to do with us being Brahmins and being not one.
He replied that is out of respect for the elderly man’s Family and he felt that eating along with them, despite their invitations, would be a form or disrespect.
I asked him whether he was saying this as I was a guest of the house , he said that he was not bothered about my status and would do what he felt!
This is the amity among the Brahmins and the other communities including Dalits.
Yet people vilify Brahmins of practicing Untouchability.
Despite my vigorous checking, I am yet to find a Brahmin being accused of practicing Untouchability and charged under the Law!
Other Communities have been named.
“Tamil Nadu figures among the top five States where a high number of cases of atrocities against Dalits have been reported in recent years, according to National Commission for Scheduled Castes (NCSC) Chairman P L Punia.
Statistics show that since 2011, as many as 213 people belonging to Scheduled Castes have been murdered in Tamil Nadu. This year, 16 Dalits have been killed in the State so far. Punia alleged that in many cases of atrocities, the police registered FIRs only after protests or directions from courts.
“In Tamil Nadu, the highest number of sexual assaults against Dalits was recorded in 2011 when 41 rape cases were registered. It came down to 22 in the next year and 23 in 2013. In 2014, the number of rape cases was 18 and in 2015 till now, 14 sexual assault cases against Dalit women had been recorded,” Punia said.
In the last five years, 6,074 cases were filed under Prevention of Atrocities against SC/ST Act. In 2011, it was as high as 1,170, while it was 1,372 in the year 2012 and 1,497 in 2013. In 2014, the number of cases registered under the Act was 1,464 and so far this year, 571 cases had been registered under the Act.
A State level vigilance committee and district level vigilance committees had been set up to review the atrocities against Dalits twice in every year. But the panels have not met after June 2013, Punia alleged.
“Nearly 60 to 70 per cent cases were closed without action and the conviction rate in Tamil Nadu is lower than the national average of 30 per cent,” he added.
On the Dalit engineering graduate Gokulraj’s murder case in Namakkal, Punia said the State DGP had told him that all the accused except one had been arrested and assured that he will be nabbed quickly. The Commission could not interfere in the investigation and it could do so only if it found the enquiry to be unsatisfactory
‘Even as Haryana reels from the gruesome murders of two dalit children who were burned alive on Tuesday, allegedly by upper caste men, new statistics show that crimes against dalits, or Scheduled Castes (SCs), rose 19 percent last year, on top of a 17 per cent increase in 2013.
In addition, as many as 744 dalits were murdered last year, up from 676 in 2013. In Haryana alone, 21 dalits were murdered in 2014.( http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Crimes-against-Dalits-rose-19-in-2014-murders-rose-to-744/articleshow/49488994.cms)
Then why Brahmins are being accused of practicing Untouchability?
Then the stock answer, is that Brahmins consider as Theettu, and wash themselves or the place where they( Sc/ST) sat.
This is a matter of.personal habit, though some smritis suggest this and they are not being followed by every one.
Even here he does not ask to to wash yourself.
Nor does he ask you to go away.
Whom one should have interaction with is one’s personal choice.
Smritis do not have the authority over the Vedas and the Vedas speak of Equality.
How many people can honestly say hat this is being practiced to day?
As I said it is a matter of personal choice.
If some one does not like you, do not go to him.
You can not force some one to love or respect you.
Even by Law.
This may sound harsh, but some one has to say it, as the misinformation is such to warrantswa retort.
And who resorts to Honor Killing?
Brahmins?
Brahmins created Vedas to control other communities.
Vedas were not created, let alone by Brahmins.
The greatest mantra of the Hindus is the Gayatri Mantra was given by Sage Viswamitra, a Kshatriya.
The Gods whom we worship and are popular(?) are Krishna and Rama.
Rama was Kshatriya and Krishna a Cowherd!
In what way have Brahmins controlled the others?
Brahmins have been advisors to Kings, even to day they are, but they were requested by the Kings to be so.
If Brahmins were the people who devised the Vedas with the intention of controlling others, would a King, in his normal senses would have a Brahmin as an Advisor?
Another is Manu smriti.
This was a code of ethics mainly meant for Kings and written by a Kshatriya.
Manu was a Kshatriya.
Having been advisors to Kings right from Rama’s Days, what did the Brahmin Gurus get in return?
A Kingdom?
A dakshina, however small it might be, was accepted by a Brahmin.
If Brahmins are dangerous why do people seek their advice from them even today be it Karunanidhi and the other Brahmin Baiting gang?
One needs a Brahmin Doctor, Brahmin Lawyer, Auditor but public you will denigrate Brahmins?
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