Basis Of Tamil Sounds In Vedas Sanskrit Tholkappiyam

I received a question from Quora recently if Tamil is as old as Sanskrit,could someone post a Tamil version of Shiva Tandava Stores.

This is Pasupathi seal discovered in Mohenjo-daro archaeological site of Indus Valley Civilization.

It has been dated to be 4050 – 4400 years old and considered to be the earliest known depiction of Sivan.

பசு=உயிரினங்கள் + பதி=தலைவன் = பசுபதி(Pasupathi)…உலகிலுள்ள எல்லா உயிரினங்களுக்கும் தலைவன் என்று பொருள்.

(another name for lord shiva, means the lord of all animals of the universe).

I think Sanskrit songs were praising the Tamizh Lord :p’

The question seems to have risen from the information that Sanskrit and Tamil were born from Lord Shiva.

Shiva as Cosmological Being.image.

Shiva as Cosmological Being

So the antiquity of Tamil and Sanskrit go back to vast stretches of Time.

So I gave up trying to find out which is older, Tamil or Sanskrit, with the conviction that both go back to very vast stretches of Time, both quote each other.


As to the origin of Sanskrit, it is from Shiva’s Damaru, a musical instrument, adorned by Shiva.

The sound of Damaru created Sanskrit and it was compiled as Maheswara Suktha.

This was revealed to Panini and Agastya.

IT may be noted that Agastya is the father of Tamil, along with Shiva.

Panini gave Sanskrit.

As Tamil and Sanskrit seem to go way back, seem to be coexistent, the Tamil Grantha Lipi seems to be common to Sanskrit, Tamil could have been revealed by Shiva simultaneously at the time of revealing Sanskrit in the form of Maheswara Sutra.

The Tamil and Sanskrit Grammar are said to have been revealed simultaneously to Agasthya and Panini by Lord Shiva! Though the literary proof for this claim can be had only in the post 15th century AD period, it cannot be denied that both Tamil and Sanskrit grammar have commonality in many ways.

Tamil and Sanskrit date a long way back and they quote each other.

They are intricately connected.

Yet they are different in Grammar.

Both are rich in literature.

As a matter of record, it may be noted that the First Tamil Grammar was by Sage Agastya ,who ,along with Siva and Murugan are the custodians of Tamil .

The first Tamil Grammar Agathiyam by Agastya is lost.

The second Grammar work Tholkappiyam is by Tholkappiyar and it is the oldest available text in Tamil.

Tholkappiyar was a Vedic Brahmin.

He composed Tamil Grammar.

And he states,while describing the origin of words,in Tholkappiyam,that words(sounds)rise from seven places in the body and that he is not explaining this in Tholkappiyam and this information can be found in The Vedas.

(This is translated by me. Tholkappiyar mentions seven places, while Wikipedia mentions as From five places. The learned may contribute))

The tonal inflection is indicated here.

It may be of interest to note that Swara,the Tone is important in Vedic Intonation.

It also stands to reason to surmise that Tholkappiyar indicates the seven noted, Saptha Swara,as the basis.

And the word for movement,which produces Sound,is Called ‘Isai’ in Tamil.

Isai indicates Music,Sound,in agreement with.

‘எல்லா எழுத்தும் வெளிப்படக் கிளந்து
சொல்லிய பள்ளி எழுதரு வளியின்
பிறப்பொடு விடுவழி உறழ்ச்சி வாரத்து
அகத்து எழு வளி இசை அரில் தப நாடி
அளபின் கோடல் அந்தணர் மறைத்தே. 20 Tholkappiyam தொல்காப்பியம் 20தொல்காப்பியம்/எழுத்ததிகாரம்/பிறப்பியல்
பள்ளிகளில் வளி எழும். சொல்லிய 5 இடங்களில் எழுத்தாகப் பிறந்து வளி விடுபடும். எழுத்தானது பிறந்து, எழுந்து, விடுபடும் அளபு அந்தணர் மறையில் உள்ளது. அகத்தே தோன்றும் அதனை இங்குச் சொல்லாமல், புறத்தே வெளிப்படும் பாங்கை மட்டும் கூறியுள்ளேன்” என்று தொலகாப்பியர் குறிப்பிடுகிறார்..


3 responses to “Basis Of Tamil Sounds In Vedas Sanskrit Tholkappiyam”

  1. Tamil Nationalists Naam Tamilar Party, Dr Paari Saalan, tamil Chinthanaiyalar peravai youtube channel – all have proven Tamil is the oldest language and tamil Siddhas religion was that of Shiva(enoch) and Murugan(Marduk).
    Please watch the research videos of that channel and know how Brahmins(Indian Jews as claimed in their videos) have altered the Tamil Siddha Tradition and stolen Hinduism(Sanskrit) from the Tamil Tradition.
    All religions, languages originated from Tamil.


  2. Vedic literature glorifies Vedic India. ‘Vedas’, a Sanskrit phrase, implies knowledge. It is the traditional faith that Vedas are ‘apuruseya’ (not composed by human beings), which was known to be a direct revelation of God, hence named shruti. Scholars believed that Vedic Literature originates long before the literary tradition started in India. However the oldest text, Rig-Veda has been traced back to the 11th century. The Vedic literature consists of the Vedas, Upanishads, Vedangas, Sutras, Upavedas, Shastras and Puranas.


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