Tag: Tamil

  • Poem Written By Lord Shiva Text Meaning

    Poem Written By Lord Shiva Text Meaning

    There is a school of Thought which considers that Lord Shiva was a Human being and He composed poems in Tamil.

    I am looking into the legend and verify whether there is any truth in this.

    This may sound ludicrous for rationalists.

    The point is that I do not consider me to be super intelligent,right and correct at all times and others ,especially my ancestors were fools to believe anything,spend time and money to build huge marvelous temples.

    I have , in my Life ,seen many things which defy my Logic.

    They make/made sense as I grew.

    Hence I do not dismiss anything offhand by sheer arrogance.

    The open approach has yielded good dividends in History in that it has brought to light many truths so far hidden because self-importance and intellectual arrogance.

    At the same time I do not belive or trust anything which is not supported by internal and external evidence.

    The proof of my labors lies in my posts in this blog.

    As to Shiva, I have noticed a lot of curious facts between Shiva in the South and the North, though they are the same.

    The Avatars of Shiva in the South were not reported in the North.

    Shiva as a family man with children is not as popular in the North as in the South.

    Mostly the legends of Siva in the North revolve around only the marriage of Shiva with Uma, and incidents connected with it, while in the South the information is more detailed and Shiva has been portrayed as lending a helping hand to people in distress.

    His avatars are different from the Avatars of Vishnu in that while Vishnu stayed in a womb Shiva is described as one who does not stay in the womb, Ayonija’; Tamil calls Him as  Unborn Eldest, ‘Pirava Yaakaip Periyon’.

    Yet He appears in a Flash , helps people in distress and disappears.

    Sixty four of his Avatars of this nature are recorded in Tamil literature, all in the City of Madurai.

    He is reported to have married a Pandyan Princess Meenakshi in the form of Chokkanatha.

    Madurai Meenakshi Amman Temple is dedicated to Meenakshi and Shiva as Chokkanatha/Sundareswara.

    These sixty-four avatars have not been recorded in any north Indian legends though some of them are hinted in Puranas, especially in Linga and Bhagavatha Purana.

    In one of these Avatars Lord Shiva composed a Poem in Tamil.

    This is it with meaning.

    This appears as the second poem in Kurunthogai, a Sangam Literature.

    The author is given as Iraiyanar, a Name for Shiva.

    “Kongu ther vaazhkai” is a famous song populariased by a tamil movie. “thiruvilayadal”, legend says this poem is written by Lord Shiva.. This song is part of “kurunthogai”, (collection of short poems) part of the “Sangam literature”. dated around 2000 years back.
    “kongu ther vaazhkai anjirai thumbi
    kaamam seppaathu kandathu mozhimo
    payiliyathu kezhiya natpin mayil iyal
    seri iyarru arivai koonthalin
    nariyavum ulavo, nee ariyum poove”
    O! honey bee with beautiful wings, you live drinking nectar from selected flowers,
    tell me without bias
    look at my friend who resembles a peacock in beauty
    have you seen any flower that smells better than her hair?

    The Tiruvilaiyadal Puranam relates an incident involving Nakkeerar’s confrontation with Lord Shiva.[4] Once the Pandiyan king had a doubt as to whether the scent from a woman’s hair was natural or artificial. He announced a prize of 1000 gold coins for anyone to resove his doubt. A poor poet named Tharumi prayed to Lord Shiva to make him get the award. The Lord gave a poem to the poet and asked him to take it to the King. When this poem was read in the court, Poet Nakkeerar found fault with it and stopped the Pandiyan king from giving the prize. Tharumi’s grief grew and he again appealed to the Lord. He said he was not worried for not receiving the prize but he could not bear anyone finding fault with the Lord’s poems.[4]

    Thereupon, Lord Shiva himself came to the court and challenged Nakkeerar. But Nakkeerar was not moved. Though Lord Shiva asked him if the hair of Ganapoongodai, the consort of Lord Kalathinathar, whom Nakkeerar worshipped,did not have a natural scent,the undaunted Nakkeerar asserted that it was so. Shiva opened the eye in his forehead (Netrikkan) which emitted fire and looked at Nakkeerar to show the poet who he was. Even then, Nakkeerar persisted in his statement. As he could not bear the scorching heat emanating from the divine eye he jumped into the water of the Golden Lotus Tank. Then at the request of the other poets, the Lord took Nakkeerar out of the tank, forgave him and made him study under ‘Agasthiar’, the Tamil Sage. This story remains a popular legend.

    Citation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakkeerar

    http://creative.sulekha.com/song-from-tamil-sangam-kongu-ther-vaazhkai_34464_blog

    http://www.tamilvu.org/library/l1220/html/l1220ind.htm

    thumbi – bee
    mayil    – peacock
    arivai    –  young lady
    koonthal – hair

    கொங்கு தேர் வாழ்க்கை அஞ்சிறைத் தும்பி!

    காமம் செப்பாது, கண்டது மொழிமோ:

    பயிலியது கெழீஇய நட்பின், மயில் இயல்,

    செறி எயிற்று, அரிவை கூந்தலின்

    நறியவும் உளவோ, நீ அறியும் பூவே?

    இயற்கைப் புணர்ச்சி புணர்ந்தவழி, தலைமகளை இயற்கைப் புணர்ச்சிக்கண் இடையீடுபட்டு நின்ற தலைமகன், நாணின் நீக்குதற்பொருட்டு, மெய் தொட்டுப் பயிறல் முதலாயின அவள்மாட்டு நிகழ்த்திக் கூடி, தனது அன்பு தோற்ற நலம் பாராட்டியது. – இறையனார்.

  • What Is Wrong With Indian History? This

    If you want to subjugate a people, you have to destroy their language, make them lose their respect for their culture.

    This is not mine,

    Indian Influence in Souh East Asia.jpg
    Indian Influence in Souh East Asia.
    Greater India: The expansion of Indian culture and influence both in Central Asia and the South East towards the countries and islands of the Pacific is one of the momentous factors of world history.
    (image source: A Survey of Indian History – By Sardar Kavalam Madhava Panikkar).

    A gist of what Macaulay spoke in the British Parliament about the introduction of English as a medium of instruction in India.

    We have people like Max Mueller who were planted by the Church to destroy the Sanatana Dharma from within.

    Read my posts on these subjects.

    Indian History, as I was taught some 45 years ago was thus.

    There was Vedas ,ancient texts, they were concerned with Religion, many gods were worshiped,

    There were Mythologies of Ramayana and Mahabharata, Rama and Krishna  who were worshiped as Gods.

    The Vedas and Puranas were oppressive.

    Then Buddha came along.

    Aryans invaded through the Khyber Pass.

    Alexander Invasion of India, he defeated Indian Kings and signed a treaty with Porus, forgiving him.

    Appointed Seleucus.

    Then there was Chandra Gupta Maurya and His dynasty.

    It goes on up to Harshavardhana.

    There is a gap of about 200 to 300 years.

    Then Kanishka.

    Later Mughals and the British.

    What is wrong with this?

    1.Vedas have been brushed as Religious texts, with no details about the high scientific and technical skills they possessed.

    2.No mention of the Vedic empires.

    3.There is a gap of about 300 years between Panini and Daruis.

    4.No mention of the Tamil and Southern Kingdoms which existed around the early Vedic age.

    5.Ramayana and Mahabharata were facts and not Fables, while Bible ,Christianity, Islam and the prophet were given the status of History.

    6.No mention of Sanskrit and Tamil, the two earliest languages of civilization.

    7.While there is mention of Alberoni, Fahien, Huansuang, there is no mention of courtiers sent from India abroad.

    8.Again there is a gap of about 200 years from Fahien in 400 AD to 600 AD when Harshavardhana came to power.

    9.From 800 AD to 1500 AD no mention of Indian History in detail regarding the South Indian Kings and their empires.

    10.No mention of Indian empire having been extended to South Asia during the entire History of India excepting bland statements that Indians had commercial contacts with Rome, and Some Tamil Kings conquered some portions of Indonesia,.

    11.No mention of the great Floods in Souh India which triggered off migration to Europe ans rest of the world from India.

    And that was how the early settlements in these areas began

    12.Ashoka is reported to be first King to have established contacts with Sri Lanka by sending his daughter/son, omitting the Tamil connection which was earlier by about 1000 years.

    I am providing information which is slightly better than what we were taught from the link I have provided below.

    The gaps in the improved version is also glaring.

    Less said about the western scholarship(?) the better.

    I shall be writing on the hidden History of India with evidence for these periods.

    Two technics were adopted in burying our culture.

    One is suppression of Facts and evidence, as in archeological finds and Tamil History.

    Second is wilful misinterpretation of facts as Max Mueller did.

    Readers may contribute with evidence.

    Rock Shelters of Bhimbetka (9000 BC to 7000 BC)*
    The earliest records of the Indian history exist in the form of the Rock Shelters of Bhimbetka. These shelters are situated on the southern edge of the central Indian plateau, in the foothills of the Vindhyan Mountains. There are five groups of rock shelters, each of them adorned with paintings that are believed to date from the Mesolithic Period right through to the historical period.Mehrgarh Culture (7000 BC to 3300 BC)*
    Mehrgarh is one of the most significant sites belonging to the Neolithic Age. At the same time, it is one of the oldest sites that indicate the introduction of the concept of farming and herding. Situated on theKachi plain of Baluchistan (Pakistan), it lies to the west of the Indus River valley. The site ofMehrgarh, spread over an area of 495-acre, was discovered in the year 1974.Indus Valley Civilization (3300 BC to 1700 BC)*
    The Indus Valley Civilization was discovered in the 1920s. The major events in the timeline of the Indus Valley are given below:Early Harappan Phase (3300 BC to 2600 BC)*
    The early Harappan Phase lasted for approximately 700 years, starting with the Ravi Phase. It is one of the three earliest urban civilizations and made use of an early form of the Indus script, known as Harappan script, for writing purposes. Around 2800 BC, the Kot Diji phase of the Indus Valley Civilization started.

    Mature Harappan Phase (2600 BC to 1700 BC)*
    The Mature Harappan Phase started around 2600 BC. Large cities and urban areas started emerging and the civilization expanded to over 2,500 cities and settlements. Urban planning, excellent sewage and drainage system, system of uniform weights and measures, knowledge of proto-dentistry, etc are some of the other elements that characterize the mature phase.

    Late Harappan Phase (1700 BC to 1300 BC)*
    The Late Harappan Phase began around 1700 BC and came to an end around 1300 BC. However, one can find many elements of the Indus Valley Civilization in later cultures.

    Vedic Period/Age (1700 BC to 500 BC)*
    The Vedic Period or the Vedic Age refers to the time of the compilation of the sacred Vedic Sanskrit texts in India. Situated on the Indo-Gangetic Plain, the Vedic Civilization formed the basis of Hinduism and the sIndian culture. The Vedic Period can be divided into the following two phases:

    Early Vedic/Rig Vedic Period (1700 BC to 1000 BC)*
    Early Vedic Period represents the time period when the Rig Veda was compiled. During this period, the king was believed to be the protector of the people, who took an active part in the government. The caste system started becoming rigid and the families started becoming patriarchal. The major events of this time are:

    • 1700 BC – Late Harappan and Early Vedic period coincide
    • 1300 BC – The end of Cemetery H culture
    • 1000 BC – Iron Age of India
    Later Vedic Age (1000 BC to 500 BC)*
    The emergence of the later Vedic period was marked with agriculture becoming the dominant economic activity and a decline in the significance of cattle rearing. The political organization changed completely, with the reduction in the involvement of people in the administration. The major events are:600 BC – The formation of Sixteen Maha Janapadas (Great Kingdoms)
    599 BC – The birth of Mahavira, founder of Jainism
    563 BC – The birth of Siddhartha Gautama (Buddha), founder of Buddhism
    538 BC – Cyrus the Great conquered parts of Pakistan
    500 BC – Earliest written records in Brahmi
    500 BC – Panini standardized grammar and morphology of Sanskrit, converting it
    into Classical Sanskrit. With this, the Vedic Civilization came to an end.Ancient India (500 BCE – 550 AD)Rise of Jainism and Buddhism
    Jainism or Jain Dharma is the religious philosophy that originated in the Ancient India. The religion is based on the teachings of the Tirthankaras. The 24th Tirthankara, Lord Mahavira, is credited with propagating the religion in the various parts of the world. Buddhism is based on the teachings of Lord Buddha, who was born as Prince Siddhartha Gautama. After attaining Enlightenment, Lord Buddha set on a task of teaching others how to achieve nirvana. His teachings were later propagated throughout the world by Emperor Asoka. The other major events of the Ancient Indian period are:

    333 BC – Darius III was defeated by Alexander the Great. The Macedonian Empire was established
    326 BC – Ambhi, King of Taxila surrendered to Alexander, Battle of the Hydaspes River
    321 BC – Chandra Gupta Maurya established the Maurya Empire
    273 BC – Emperor Ashoka took over the Maurya Empire
    266 BC – Ashoka conquered most of South Asia, Afghanistan and Iran
    265 BC – The battle of Kalinga, after which Emperor Ashoka embraced Buddhism
    232 BC: Ashoka died and was succeeded by Dasaratha
    230 BC – Satavahana Empire was established
    200 to 100 BC – Tholkappiyam standardized grammar and morphology of Tamil
    184 BC – Collapse of Maurya Empire with the assassination of Emperor Brihadrata, Establishment of the Sunga dynasty
    180 BC – Establishment of the Indo-Greek kingdom
    80 BC – Establishment of the Indo-Scythian kingdom
    10 BC – Establishment of the Indo-Parthian kingdom
    68 AD – Establishment of the Kushan Empire by Kujula Kadphises
    78 AD – Gautamiputra Satkarni took over Satavahana Empire and defeated Scythian king Vikramaditya
    240 AD – Establishment of the Gupta Empire by Sri-Gupta
    320 AD – Chandragupta I took over the Gupta Empire
    335 AD – Samudragupta took over the Gupta Empire and started expanding it
    350 AD – Establishment of the Pallava Empire
    380 AD – Chandragupta II took over the Gupta Empire
    399 to 414 AD – Chinese scholar Fa-Hien traveled to India

    Medieval Period (550 AD to 1526 AD)
    The medieval period can be divided into the following two phases:

    Early Medieval Period (Upto 1300 AD)
    606 AD – Harshavardhana became the King
    630 AD – Hiuen Tsiang traveled to India
    761 AD – First Muslim invasion by Mohammed Bin Qasim
    800 AD – The birth of Shankaracharya
    814 AD – Nripatunga Amoghavarsha I became Rashtrakuta king
    1000 AD – Invasion by Mahmud of Ghazni
    1017AD – Alberuni traveled to India
    1100s AD – Rule of the Chandelas, Cholas, Kadambas, and Rashrakutas
    1120 AD – Kalyani Chalukya Empire attained peak, Vikramaditya VI introduced Vikrama Chalukya Era
    1191 AD – First battle of Tarain between Mohammed Ghori & Prithivi Raj Chauhan III
    1192 AD – Second battle of Tarain between Ghauri and Prithivi Raj Chauhan III
    1194 AD – Battle of Chandawar between Ghauri and Jayachandra
    1288 AD – Marco Polo came to India

    Late Medieval Period (1300 AD to 1500 AD)
    1300 AD – Establishment of the Khilji Dynasty
    1336 to 1565 AD – Vijayanagar Empire
    1498 AD – First voyage of Vasco-da-Gama to Goa

    Post-Medieval Era (1526 AD to 1818 AD)
    The major events in the post medieval era are:

    1526 AD – Babur, the Mughal ruler of Kabul, invaded Delhi and Agra and killed Sultan Ibrahim Lodi
    1527 AD – Battle of Khanwa, in which Babur annexed Mewar
    1530 AD – Babur died and was succeeded Humayun
    1556 AD – Humayun died and was succeeded by his son Akbar
    1600 AD – East India company was formed in England
    1605 AD – Akbar died and was succeeded by Jehangir
    1628 AD – Jehangir died and was succeeded by Shah Jahan
    1630 AD – Shivaji was born
    1658 AD – Shah Jahan built Taj Mahal, Jamia Masjid and Red Fort.
    1659 AD – Shivaji defeated Adilshahi troops at the Battle of Pratapgarh
    1674 AD – Maratha Empire was established
    1680 AD – Shivaji died
    1707 AD – Aurangzeb died and was succeeded by Bahadur Shah I
    1707 AD – Maratha Empire broke into two divisions
    1734 AD – Pamheiba invaded Tripura
    1737 AD – Bajirao I conquered Delhi
    1740 AD – Bajirao I died and was succeeded by Balaji Bajirao
    1757 AD – Battle of Plassey was fought
    1761 AD – Third battle of Panipat ended the expansion of Maratha Empire
    1766 AD – First Anglo-Mysore War
    1777 AD – First Anglo-Maratha War
    1779 AD – Battle of Wadgaon
    1780 AD – Second Anglo-Mysore War
    1789 AD – Third Anglo-Mysore War
    1798 AD – Fourth Anglo-Mysore War
    1799 AD – Tipu Sultan died, Wodeyar dynasty was restored
    1803 AD – Second Anglo-Maratha War
    1817 AD – Third Anglo-Maratha War begins
    1818 AD – End of the Maratha Empire and British control over most of India

    Colonial Era (1818 AD to 1947 AD)
    The Colonial Era started with the British taking control over almost all the parts of India and ended with the freedom of India in 1947. The major events that took place during the Colonial Era are:..”

    *I have writtten articles on these.
    Refernce and citation.
  • Indus Valley Harappan Writing Found Hampi Karnataka

    I have often wondered about the antiquity of the South of India,. called Dravida Desa, the Ancient Langauge Tamil which is often quoted by the Vedas and Puranas and tamil Kings being mentioned in the Ithihasaas ,Ramayana and Mahabharata.

    Rig Veda refers to Pearls, Sandalwood,Akhil( a type of Incense wood),Elephants and intricate silk from the Dravida desa,pointing out the Chera Kingdom, now called Kerala, which was once a part of the Tamil Chera Kingdom.

    There is also this reference of Viswamitra banishing his sons to Dravida Desa.

    Their descendant, Apasthamba compiled the Apasthamba Sutra, incorporating Tamil practices into Vedic Culture.

    Indus Valley Harappan Inscrption found in HampiImage.jpg
    Indus Valley Harappan Inscrption found in Hampi,Karnataka.

    Tamil Records show that Lord Krishna attendd the Tamil Poets’ Conclave, He married a Pandyan Princess and had a Daughter through her.

    Arjuna performed Tirta Yatra, Pilgrimage to South and married a Pandyan Princess.

    He had a son through her , Babruvahana, who was the only one to defeat Arjuna and killed him(Arjuna was revived by Krishna)

    Parashurama created what is Now Kerala .

    Balarama visited the Dravida Desa and worshiped Lord Subrahmanya, worshiped there as Murugan.

    Chera King Udiyan Cheralaathan  and another Pandyan King participated in the Kurukshetra War of Mahabharata.

    While Udiyan Ceralaathan fed both the Kaurava and Pandava armies during the war and performed Sraddha for the slain in the Mahabharata war,a Pandyan King Darshak fought on the side of the Pandavas.

    Lord Krishna  fought with a Pandya King and killed him.

    There are references in the Bhavatham and Tamil Classics that during one of the Tsunamis,Satyavrata Manu, the ancestor of Lord Rama migrated to South and his son Ikshvaku founded the Ikshvaku dynasty.

    The Chola Kings trace their Lineage to the Solar Dynasty of Rama and one of their early Kings called Sibi belonged to Ikshvaku Dynasty.

    Mahabharata and Raghuvamsa of Kalidasa record this.

    The archeological finding in Arikkamedu in Pondicherry and a Vedic Homa Kunda is found with references to Vedic Rites in Kanya Kumari dating back to 280BC.

    More archeological finds are reported from Tamil Nadu linking Sanatana Dharma and  the Tamils.

    Tamil Brahmi script was found in Harappa.

    Now comes the startling find.

    Drawings of the Indus Valley Scripts are found in Hampi, Karnataka!

     

    The writing system of the Indus Valley Civilization is not deciphered and it still remains a mystery. All attempts to decipher it have failed. This is one of the reasons why the Indus Valley Civilization is one of the least known of the important early civilizations of antiquity.

    On the goddess Kotamma temple woollen market way there is a rocky roof shelter for shepherds and sheep to stay at night up to morning.

    The sentence emerged after a set of 19 drawing and pictographs discovered on a hilltop in Hampi (Karnataka, India) were deciphered using root morphemes of Gondi Tribe language.

    Eleven of the Hampi pictographs resemble those of the Indus valley civilisation. This innocuous sounding statement could actually be a revolutionary find linking the Gond or Gondi tribe to the Indus Valley civilisation.

    The Gondi people are a Dravidian people of central India, spread over the states of Madhya Pradesh, eastern Maharashtra (Vidarbha), Chhattisgarh, Uttar Pradesh, Telangana and Western Odisha. With over four million people, they are the largest tribe in Central India.

    “Eleven of the Hampi pictographs resemble the Late Harappan writing of the Indus Valley Civilisation”, says Dr KM Metry, professor of tribal studies at the Kannada University. The professor claims that this shows that after the collapse of the civilisation situated in North-West India, the Harappans moved to other parts of the country, with some of them settling in Central India and a majority of them in the South.”

    My surmise that the Dravida connection with Sanatana Dharma is more deep than considered and may be the Vedic Culture prevailed here along with the Indus Valley civilization, if not earlier.

    * I have noticed a curious fact about Harappa.

    The name Harappa is very differnt from the other Northern town names.

    In fact, as far as my search goes, it is Unique

    Among all the Indian languages,only Tamil has the word ‘Appa’ for Fathere.

    And Shiva was called father in Tamil anitquity and He is addressed as Appan in medieval Tamil literature of the Shaivas and Vaishanava Saint , Azhwar calls Him , Mukkannapa, father with three Eyes!

    Following is the definition of the word Haran, a name for Shiva.

    Intriguing to find Tamil name for God in Harappa!

     

    ‘ hara—just dissipate    *SB 6.14.57
    hara—please diminish    SB 10.2.40
    hara—the attractor.    Madhya 8.143
    hara—kindly take away    Madhya 20.299
    hara—and Lord Śiva    Madhya 21.36
    hara—plunder    Antya 15.16
    hara—vanquishing    Antya 16.119
    hara—You take away    Antya 16.133

    * Refers to the Puranas or Ithihasas.

    Citation.

    http://www.mysteryofindia.com/2014/12/indus-valley-drawing-discovered-near-hampi.html

  • Sanskrit Latin Tamil Which is Older

    Sanskrit and Latin are considered to be the ancient languages of the world.

    Sanskrit,

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    Sanskrtit Language. “The word संस्कृतम् (Sanskrit) in Sanskrit” by OldakQuill – Own work. Licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0 via Wikimedia Commons – http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_word_%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%83%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%8D_(Sanskrit)_in_Sanskrit.svg#mediaviewer/File:The_word_%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%83%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%8D_(Sanskrit)_in_Sanskrit.svg

    is considered to be the liturgical language of India,the language of Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism,and the mother of  Proto-Indo-Iranian and Proto-Indo-European lanuage group.

    With Thirty Million  Manuscripts existing even today,Sanskrit is the oldest Language of the world and the Rig Veda which is in Sanskrit is the oldest literature of the world.

    There is a view that the Hitti Language is older than Sanskrit.

    Not so.

    I shall be posting on this  an article(‘ https://ramanisblog.in/2015/02/04/thirty-million-manuscripts-700-poetic-meters-amazing-sanskrit/)

     

    The Sanskrit language, whatever be its antiquity, is of a wonderful structure; more perfect than the Greek, more copious than the Latin, and more exquisitely refined than either, yet bearing to both of them a stronger affinity, both in the roots of verbs and in the forms of grammar, than could possibly have been produced by accident; so strong indeed, that no philologer could examine them all three without believing them to have sprung from some common source, which, perhaps, no longer exists.’ william Jones.

    Number Sanskrit Latin Greek
    1 éka unus mono-
    2 dvá duo di-
    3 trí tres tri-
    4 catúr quattuor tetra-
    5 páñca quinque
    6 sás sex hexa-
    7 saptá septem hepta-
    8 astá octo octa-
    9 náva novem ennea-
    10 dása decem deca-

     

     

    Western scholars date it to 2nd millennium BCE (for Rig-vedic)

    ( there are primary classifications,Vedic and Post Vedic.

    Latin.

    Inscription for 5th century Roman Consul Decius Marius Venantius Basilius in the Colosseum in Rome. CIL VI 1716 c, VI 32094 c    .Image.jpg
    Inscription for 5th century Roman Consul Decius Marius Venantius Basilius in the Colosseum in Rome. CIL VI 1716 c, VI 32094 c “Rome Colosseum inscription 2” by Wknight94 – Own work. Licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0 via Wikimedia Commons – http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rome_Colosseum_inscription_2.jpg#mediaviewer/File:Rome_Colosseum_inscription_2.jpg

    Old Latin, also known as Early Latin and Archaic Latin, refers to the Latin language in the period before 75 BC, i.e. before the age of Classical Latin.[2] In New and Contemporary Latin, it is called prisca Latinitas (“ancient Latin”) rather than vetus Latina (“old Latin”) as the latter is used to refer to a set of Biblical texts.(wiki)

    But Sanskrit was used during the period of Ramayana and the language was in use much earlier as the Vedas were learnt during Ramayana.

    Hence it should predate Ramayana at least by 2000 yeas to attain the level of  maturity.

    And the Rig veda is dated to 5000 BC and it recorded as the oldest literature of Humans.

    Now Rama date is 5114 BC.

    Luv and Kush grew in his ashram as his disciples. We need to be proud of the fact that Valmiki was perhaps the first great astronomer and that his study of planetary configurations has stood the test of times. Even the latest computer softwares have corroborated his astronomical calculations, which proves that he did not commit any error.

     

    Shabri is stated to be belonging to the Bhil tribe. Shri Rams’ army, which succeeded in defeating Ravana, was formed by various tribes from Central and South India.

     

    Taking into account these details the Birth date of Lord Rama  is January 10 in the year 5114 BC.

    (Ramayana Lord Rama’s Exile Date  and other details .

    (https://ramanisblog.in/2012/04/05/ramayana-lord-ramas-exile-date-and-other-details/)

    Hence Sanskrit dates to at least 7000 BC.

    Therefore Sanskrit is older than Latin.

    Wait, there is some more information.

    Tamil.

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    The word “Tamil” in Tamil language. “Word Tamil” by AntanO – Own work. Licensed under CC BY-SA 4.0 via Wikimedia Commons – http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Word_Tamil.svg#mediaviewer/File:Word_Tamil.svg

    Tamil /ˈtæmɪl/[10] (தமிழ், tamiḻ[t̪ɐmɨɻ] ?) also spelt Tamizh is a Dravidian language spoken predominantly by Tamil people ofTamil Nadu and Sri Lanka. It has official status in the Indian states of Tamil Nadu,[11] Puducherry and Andaman and Nicobar Islands. Tamil is also an official and national language of Sri Lanka[12] and one of the official languages of Singapore.[13] It is legalised as one of the languages of medium of education in Malaysia along with English, Malay and Mandarin.[14][15] It is also chiefly spoken in the states of Kerala, Puducherry and Andaman and Nicobar Islands as a secondary language and by minorities in Karnataka & Andhra Pradesh. It is one of the 22 scheduled languages of India and was the first Indian language to be declared a classical language by the Government of India in 2004. Tamil is also spoken by significant minorities inMalaysia, England, Mauritius, Canada,[16] South Africa,[17] Fiji,[18] Germany,[19] Philippines, United States, Netherlands,Indonesia,[20] Réunion and France as well as emigrant communities around the world.

    Tamil is one of the longest surviving classical languages in the world.[21][22] 2,200-year-old Tamil-Brahmi inscriptions have been found on Samanamalai It has been described as “the only language of contemporary India which is recognizably continuous with a classical past.

    The fact that Tamil Kings were mentioned in the Ramayana and Mahabharata would enable one to date tamil around, again 7000 BC, at a conservative estimate.

    The archaeological finds from Attirappakkam northeast of Chennai evidences the existence of Tamils about a million years ago!

    “The prehistoric period during which Lower Paleolithic settlements existed in the Tamil Nadu region has been estimated to span the period from about 1,510,000 BCE[1] until around 3000 BCE.[2] For most part of the lower Paleolithic stage, humans lived close to river valleys with sparse forest cover or in grassland environments. The population density was very low and so far only two localities of this lower Palaeolithic culture have been found insouth India. One of these is in Attirampakkam valley in the northwest of Chennai in Tamil Nadu.[3] Archaeological research has uncovered evidence of fossil remains of animals and primitive stone implements around the northern Tamil Nadu that could be dated to belong to around 3000,000 BCE.[citation needed]Humans inSouth India, belonging to the species of Homo erectus, lived in this primitive ‘old stone age’ (Palaeolithic) for quite a long time, using only crude implements such as hand axes and choppers and subsisting as hunter-gatherers“(wiki)

    The Tamil History based on this, Tamil Literature,Sanskrit Literature and Arikkamedu findings,Puducherry is between   15,000 BCE to 10,000 BCE.

    Such an old civilization quotes Sanskrit and Vedic Literature .

    But we are dating the Vedas around 5000 BC.

    If the Sangam period , Muthal Sangam, at 500 BC is true, how is it that the Purana, which are earlier by at least by 4000 years, quote Tamils, Tamil Kings?

    https://ramanisblog.in/2013/12/27/million-year-old-tamil-quotes-vedas-they-quote-tamil/)

    People who call themselves scholars conveniently overlook these facts in assigning dates to Tamil and Sanskrit.

    It would be fair to state, based on the available evidence that,

    Sanskrit and Tamil date earlier to Latin and

    as to the question “Which one is earlier, Tamil or Sanskrit?’,

    I am unable to establish on the basis of available evidence as each language quotes the other.

    One might state that , as of now, that Sanskrit and Tamil are the oldest languages of Humans .

    References.

    http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/sanskrit.htm

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Latin

     

    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/286368/Indo-European-languages/74551/Sanskrit-studies-and-their-impact

     

     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_language

  • I Am a Brahmin Sanskrit Scholar Tolkappiar Tamil

    The oft repeated canard that the Brahmins were invaders , entered through Khyber Pass, imposed Aryan Supremacy over the Dravida Tamil and that Tamil is against Sanskrit and the Vedas gets nailed when one reads the ancient Tamil works in the original.

    Tolkaapiyar Tamil Grammarian.jpg
    Tolkaapiyar Tamil Grammarian 8 BC.

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    It is a different matter that these people do not where the Khyber Pass is, is another matter.

    The Aran Invasion theory perpetrated by the British has been nailed.

    Please read my Post on this.

    The First literary work n Tamil was by Sage Agastya, called Agathiyam, which was consumed by a Tsunami.

    Agastya was a Brahmin.

    The next work in Tamil dealing with Tamil Grammar, was written by Tolkappiyar.

    It is called Tolkaapiyam, meaning Ancient literature.

    This Book deals with the rules of Tamil Grammar.

    A joker politician in Tamil Nadu changed his Father’s Name(?) from , if I recall correctly, to Tolpaapiyan, thinking that it is a Non Brahmin Name.

    The politician is a Dalit,

    These people destroy the fabric of the society for they know nothing of the rich culture of Tamil and its traditions.

    Let us see who Tolkaapiyar is from….?

    Tolkappiyar himself.

    In his preface to Tolkaapiyam he writes,

     

    வட வேங்கடம் தென் குமரி
    ஆயிடைத்
    தமிழ் கூறும் நல் உலகத்து
    வழக்கும் செய்யுளும் ஆயிரு முதலின்
    எழுத்தும் சொல்லும் பொருளும் நாடிச்
    செந்தமிழ் இயற்கை சிவணிய நிலத்தொடு
    முந்து நூல் கண்டு முறைப்பட எண்ணிப்
    புலம் தொகுத்தோனே போக்கு அறு பனுவல்
    நிலம் தரு திருவின் பாண்டியன் அவையத்து
    அறம் கரை நாவின் நான்மறை முற்றிய‌
    அதங்கோட்டு ஆசாற்கு அரில் தபத் தெரிந்து
    மயங்கா மரபின் எழுத்து முறை காட்டி
    மல்கு நீர் வரைப்பின் ஐந்திரம் நிறைந்த‌
    தொல்காப்பியன்
    எனத் தன் பெயர் தோற்றிப்
    பல் புகழ் நிறுத்த படிமையோனே

     

    அறம் கரை நாவின் நான்மறை முற்றிய‌
    அதங்கோட்டு ஆசாற்கு- I am a disciple of Athankottu Aasan, a Brahmin well versd in the Vedas.

     

    ஐந்திரம் நிறைந்த‌
    தொல்காப்பியன்
    எனத் தன் பெயர் தோற்றி. I have studied the Einthiram( a Grammar book in Tamil , lost to us  mentioned in Panini’s  Grammar ”

    Aindraim.

     

    ‘The Aindra (of Indra) school of Sanskrit grammar is one of the eleven schools of Sanskrit grammar mentioned in Pāṇini’s Ashtadhyayi. It is named after Indra in allusion toLord Indra, the king of Gods in Hindu mythology. Arthur Coke Burnell, a renowned orientologist, in his 1875 book, “On the Aindra school of Sanskrit grammars” details this school. Burnell believed that most non-Pāṇinian systems of Sanskrit grammar were traceable to this school of grammar, believed to be the oldest and reputed to be founded by Indra.’

    Tolkaapiyar is not his real name.

    Tolkaapiyar of the Lineage of Bhrigu and Jamadagni.

    His real name was ‘ThruNadhUmAgn’

    He was one of the twelve disciples of  Agastya.

    Tolkaapiyam was made Public in Adankodu, a part of Kerala.

    But Tolkaapiyar says this was done in the presence of a Pandyan King.

    Af=dhankodu was in Chera Kigdom.

    Possible that at that time , the Kingdom was won by Pndyas.

    There is a view that Tolkaapiyar was born in an agrarian Family.

    But there is no sufficient evidence to support this.

    Citation.

    Tolkaapiyar Name

    Sage Agastya

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agastya