In my search for detailed information on Sanatana Dharma, I notice some curious points and I follow the thread.
And I get startling information.
Some of my thoughts are childish, some idiotic , and at times even stupid.
But the results are worth the doubts.
I wondered about the Colour of Rama and Krishna, who are described as Black.
Rama is from Central India, Ayodhya and Krishna from Dwaraka, West of India.
People of these Geographical areas are fair-skinned while the Dravidians from the South of Vindhyas are dark-skinned.
I found that the ancestor of Rama, Satyavrata Manu migrated from South India.( Please read my post-Rama’s ancestor, Dravida?)
On Krishna I am still searching, though I found He married a Pandyan Princess from Madurai, which is in Tamil Nadu and had his daughter married to a Pandyan Prince!
Area where people speak Bengali. Indian West Bengal and Bangladesh.
Now I wonder about the Bengalis, (of Indian State of Bengal and Bangladesh) and Tamils.
I have noticed some similarities.
Both are, in general,dark skinned, dusky.
Both consume Rice.
Rice is consumed in South India, Kerala, Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka in large quantities when compared to other states of India, especially North India.
As a matter of fact, These Southern states along with Odisha and Bengal consume more of Rice.
These states form an arc on the eastern seaboard of India.
And like the Tamils, Bengalis are attached to their Language Bengali and like Tamils are highly emotional.
This set me to search for the origin of Bengalis and Bengal.
I found that like the Tamils, they were called as Dasyus, those who were different from the Vedic people in worship.
‘Some references indicate that the primitive people in Bengal were different in ethnicity and culture from the Vedic people beyond the boundary of Aryandom and who were classed as “Dasyus”. The Bhagavata Purana classes them as sinful people while Dharmasutra of Baudhayana prescribes expiatory rites after a journey among the Pundras and Vangas. Mahabharata speaks of Paundraka Vasudeva who was lord of the Pundras and who allied himself with Jarasandha against Krishna. The Mahabharata also speaks of Bengali kings called Chitrasena and Sanudrasena who were defeated by Bhima and Kalidasa mentions Raghu defeating a coalition of Vanga kings’.
Tamils were called Dasyus because they did not worship fire, though they were following the other tenets of the Vedas and had a parallel system of Shiva worship.
Please check my posts on Pre Sanatana Dharma in Dravida.
I appears that Bengal was the Kingdom of Vali’s adopted son.
Their ancestors?
Dravidians.
Tamils?
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The exact origin of the word Bangla is unknown, though it is believed to be derived from the Dravidian-speaking tribe Bang/Bangathat settled in the area around the year 1000 BCE.
Other accounts speculate that the name is derived from Vanga (Bôngo), which came from the Austric word “Bonga” meaning the Sun-god.
According to the Mahabharata, a number of Puranas and theHarivamsha Vanga was one of the adopted sons of King Vali who founded the Vanga Kingdom.
The Muslim accounts refer that “Bong”, a son of Hind (son of Hām who was a son of Prophet Noah/Nooh) colonised the area for the first time.
The earliest reference to “Vangala” (Bôngal) has been traced in the Nesari plates (805 AD) of Rashtrakuta Govinda III which speak ofDharmapala as the king of Vangala. The records of Rajendra Chola I of the Chola dynasty, who invaded Bengal in the 11th century, speak of Govindachandra as the ruler of Vangaladesa.[5][6][7] Shams-ud-din Ilyas Shah took the title “Shah-e-Bangla” and united the whole region under one government.
An interesting theory of the origin of the name is provided by Abu’l-Fazl in his Ain-i-Akbari. According to him, “[T]he original name of Bengal was Bung, and the suffix “al” came to be added to it from the fact that the ancient rajahs of this land raised mounds of earth 10 feet high and 20 in breadth in lowlands at the foot of the hills which were called “al”. From this suffix added to the Bung, the name Bengal arose and gained currency
In my search for the spread of Sanatana Dharma, Hinduism, the material for China is hard to come by.
Considering the fact that the route for travel from and to from Bharatavarsha had taken place in the South,South East,West and North West and due East,
Remains of Sanatana Dharma have been found in all the countries of the world(Including China, though it is quite meagre when compared to the other countries),
Sanatana Dharma was well entrenched in South East Asia and is present there even today,
in the Southeastern countries, Buddhism, which is closely associated with Hinduism is present,
Tamil and Sanskrit texts mention China as a part of Bharata Varsha,
Lord Nataraja was considered as the Protector of Buddhism(!)
Shiva worship was present in ancient China,
So was Murugan, Subrahmanya worship,
it was only a matter of time and luck I could get hold on information that the Tamils were associated with China.
That, too a Shiva Idol was consecrated by the Firman of Kublai Khan himself.
We also find epigraph in Tamil in China.
Bilingual (Tamil & Chinese) inscription in China dated Saka era 1203 (1281 CE) Mentions the erection of deity Thirukkaniccuramudaiyar by one Sambandapperumal for the well being of Chinese emperor Cekacaikan Parman
The Story.
This Tamil Language inscription was found in China.
It was found about 500 miles north of Canton, in a place called Chuan Chou. This is a port city. It was an important port city in the ancient times also.
‘Normally, the Tamils used to sail to Ta Kua Pa in the west coast of Thailand.
They would then take an overland journey across the Isthmus of Kra to other ports like Nakon SiTammarat or Songkla. These ports were on the east coast of Thailand. From there they would sail on to one of the ports of present day Vietnam. Then they would sail northwards to Canton.
A straight sail would be a longer distance which would take them across the Bay of Bengal, Straits of Malacca, Gulf of Siam, and South China Sea. They would have to sail around the Malay Peninsula. This would have increased their journey by more than a thousand miles and would have taken up several more months.
Apart from Canton, the Tamils had gone to other places also and
established their own colonies. The merchant guilds like ‘Thisai Aayiraththu AinnuuRRuvar’ was very active around this part of the world.
In Chuan Chou, there was a Sivan Temple. In that temple, an image of Siva was consecrated under the ‘Firman’ – royal orders of ‘Sekasai Khan’.
This was done for the health of ‘Sekasai Khan’.
‘Sekasai Khan’ in this inscription is the name of Kublai Khan himself.
His full name was Kublai Sekcen Khan.
Sekcen Khan became Sekasai Khan in Tamil.
The Sivan Temple was known as ThiruKathaleesvaram and the Lord of the temple was known as ThiruKathaleesvaram udaiya Naayanaar.
The person who executed the order was Thava ChakkaravarththikaL Sampandha PerumaL.
It was done on the Chithra Paurnami day of Saka Era 1203 – 1281 AD.
This was during the rule of Kublai Khan who came to power in 1260 and ruled until 1294 AD.
Kublai Khan.
CitSeptember 23, 1215 – February 18, 1294), born Kublai (Mongolian: Хубилай, Xubilaĭ; Middle Mongolian: Qubilai; Chinese: 忽必烈; pinyin: Hūbìliè, Turkish: Kubilay Han; also spelled Khubilai) and also known by the temple name Shizu (Emperor Shizu of Yuan; Chinese: 元世祖; pinyin: Yuán Shìzǔ; Wade–Giles: Yüan Shih-tsu), was the fifth Khagan (Great Khan) of the Mongol Empire(Ikh Mongol Uls), reigning from 1260 to 1294. He also founded the Yuan dynasty in China in 1271, a division of the Mongol Empire, and ruled as the first Yuan emperor until his death in 1294.ation.
Thiruvannamalai is about a Billion years old,Tirupati 2100 Million Years, An archeological site near Chennai containing Advanced Tamil Civilization, Agastya crossed Vindhyas around 5000 BC,
Tamil language is estimated to be 74, 0000 years old(It should be dated earlier on the available evidence) and they quote the Vedas, they in turn Tamil!
Yet we would date the Rig Veda around 5000 BC!
Now there is a find in Rakhigarhi, Haryana which is dated around 6000 BC.
Well, some people might be happy to date Indian History by 1600 AD when the British came to India!
‘ Rakhigarhi, Haryana, Harappan site,India.
Latest research has put the date of the origin of the Indus Valley Civilisation at 6,000 years before Christ, which contests the current theory that the settlements around the Indus began around 3750 BC.
Ever since the excavations at Harappa and Mohenjo-daro in the early 1920s, the civilisation was considered almost as old as those of Egypt and Mesopotamia.
The finding was announced at the “International Conference on Harappan Archaeology”, recently organised by the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) in Chandigarh.
Based on their research, BR Mani, ASI joint director general, and KN Dikshit, former ASI joint director general, said in a presentation: “The preliminary results of the data from early sites of the Indo-Pak subcontinent suggest that the Indian civilisation emerged in the 8th millennium BC in the Ghaggar-Hakra and Baluchistan area.”
“On the basis of radio-metric dates from Bhirrana (Haryana), the cultural remains of the pre-early Harappan horizon go back to 7380 BC to 6201 BC.”
Excavations had been carried out at two sites in Pakistan and Bhirrana, Kunal, Rakhigarhi and Baror in India.
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The Harappan or Indus Valley Civilisation is one of the three oldest urban civilisations, along with Egypt and Mesopotamia, but it is the least understood. Its script is yet to be deciphered, and the knowledge of social structures and life during that period is scant. Rakhigarhi promises to change this as new discoveries continue to be made. It is one of the few Harappan sites which has an unbroken history of settlement—Early Harappan farming communities from 6000 to 4500 BC, followed by the Early Mature Harappan urbanisation phase from 4500 to 3000 BC, and then the highly urbanised Mature Harappan era from 3000 BC to the mysterious collapse of the civilisation around 1800 BC. That’s more than 4,000 years of ancient human history packed into its rich soil.
Until now, experts believed that Mohenjo-daro in Pakistan was the largest among the 2,000 Harappan sites known to exist in India, Pakistan and Afghanistan. The archaeological remains at Mohenjo-daro extend around 300 hectares. However, with the discovery of two more mounds, adding to the seven mounds already discovered, the total area of the archaeological site of Rakhigarhi now measures 350 hectares. The two newly-discovered mounds spread over 25 hectares each and are situated to the east and west of the main site. Unfortunately, much of the mounds have been destroyed for cultivation.
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The Indus Valley Tradition is divided into four eras, and each era can be divided into various phases. A phase is an archaeological unit possessing traits sufficiently characteristic to distinguish it from all other units similarly conceived Each phase can be subdivided into interaction systems.
Date range (BCE)
Phase
Era
7570-6200
Bhirrana (aceramic Neolithic)
Early Food Producing Era
7000-5500
Mehrgarh I (aceramic Neolithic)
5500-3300
Mehrgarh II-VI (ceramic Neolithic)
Regionalisation Era
5500-2600
3300-2600
Early Harappan
3300-2800
Harappan 1 (Ravi Phase)
2800-2600
Harappan 2 (Kot Diji Phase, Nausharo I, Mehrgarh VII, Rakhigarhi)
2600-1900
Mature Harappan (Indus Valley Civilization)
Integration Era
2600-2450
Harappan 3A (Nausharo II)
2450-2200
Harappan 3B
2200-1900
Harappan 3C
1900-1300
Late Harappan (Cemetery H); Ochre Coloured Pottery
Localisation Era
1900-1700
Harappan 4
1700-1300
Harappan 5
1300-300
Painted Gray Ware, Northern Black Polished Ware (Iron Age)
During the course of research about the spread of Sanatana Dharma throughout the world, I have come across some curious facts.
Sanatana Dharma was in place in the South of the Vindhyas, even before Sarasvati Valley ,Harappan civilization.
While the Rig veda is dated around 5000 BC, there is a site with artifacts of advanced Tamil Culture, near Chennai and it is dated to be around a Million Years!
The Thiruvannamalai temple ,also in South is dated around a Billion years.
This Olmec king with Africoid facial features, rediscovered in 1858 at the Tres Zapotes archeological site in the Mexican state of Veracruz, is convincing evidence of the 3,000-year presence of Africans in Mexico but was omitted from the Oakland Museum of California exhibit
Olmech King with Tuft? The Olmec king’s Africoid hairstyle with braided hair is further evidence that Africans came to Mexico at least 3,000 years ago.
Tirupati arch is dated to be 2100 Million years old.
Agastya’s crossing to South India is dated with the help of Astronomy around 5000 BC.
The ancestor of Lord Rama, Satyavrata Manu migrated from the South to Ayodhya, where his son Ikshvaku founded the Ikshvaku Dynasty.
Lord Rama performed Pooja to Lord Shiva at Rameswaram after he killed Ravana.
The Tamil origins have been observed in the case of,
Sumerians.
Babylonians,
Minoans,
Mayans,
Aztecs.
Incas,
Polynesians and
Chinese.
But as things stand now, two ancient Histories seem to have been erased memory.
One is Arabia, where one does not have much to know, by being informed that before the arrival of Prophet, the Arabs were savages!
I have posted articles to disprove this by providing information about the connection between Tamils, Tamil God Idol excavation in Oman,Tamil practices and the existence of Shiva Temple in Mecca,
But the African connection is mired in obscurity.
I have few posts on African connection to Sanatana Dharma.
Now I have come across information that the The African ancestors, Olmecs,who later moved on to America,incidentally these Americans, were also from Tamils, were Tamils.
Features, Language origins point to this.
Ancient Tamil Texts, Tholkaappiyam onwards mention Kumari Kandam, a land mass , since gobbled by a Tsunami, had Africa a part of India as we have it now.
O it could be the other way around.
Though some migration from India, then called Bharatavarsha was through the Northern parts of India, through Afghanistan, Iraq, there was also Migration from the South.
The migration of Hindus to Greece, Africa is from the south , considering th remains found in these areas are mostly that of Gods more venerated in the South, Shiva, Ganesha and Murugan(Subrahmanya)
Now Read On.
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During the 17th century, the famous orientalist Edward Pococke noticed a disturbing similarity between classical Greek and Sanskrit. In his book,India in Greece, he showed that nearly all the place and tribal names of the Greeks had their similar correspondences in Northern India, especially in Afghanistan. The 18th century English scholar, William Jones, discovered the similarity of Sanskrit with many European languages, including Greek and Latin. Godfrey Higgins also supported their views in his two volume work,Anacalypsis. They and other distinguished linguists of the time concluded that non-Africanoid mankind probably originated in India, the Near East, and Siberia. These 17th and 18th century scholars were able to show that place, tribal, and religious names tended to stay the same, no matter how far certain ancient tribes dispersed themselves in different parts of the earth.
In the 1900s, Mexican scholars noted that the Nahuatl language is derived from Sanskrit. Even the word Nahua derives from the Sanskrit word for "sailor:" Nava or Navaja. Like their brother Allemans in Germany, the Olmecs could pronounce "V" only as "W."
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In ancient Northern India, a religio-political savant was known as Ma-gul, Mo-gul or Ul-mag, which meant "The Great God Ul." The syllables were interchangeable.
They were also called Eu-lama or Eu-rama (Aram), according to the different tribes' ability to pronounce "R" and "L." Eu = "Great." Rama/Lama = "Priest." Even today, among the Moslems, an Ulama or Ulema is a religious scholar and leader. There was even an ancient Near Eastern nation named Elam.
These distinguished priest scholars were additionally called Ul-man, Olman, or Ul-manu. meaning "Deified Sovereigns of the Earth."
When the non-Africanoid races of mankind left India for other parts of the world, the Ul-mags continued to call themselves Alleman (Germans), Aramean or Aramaic, and Olman, Ulmak or Olmek, in ancient Mexico. It is significant to note that the Phoenician sailor-traders had many names, one of which was Aram (Aramean). The Huichol Indians of Nayarit, Mexico call the port of San Blas Aramara, named after the India-Indian port they left on their voyage to America. Could this account for the name of the Nahuas?
The bible mentions that Solomon imported Almug trees from Sophir which was part of the northwestern coast of India: Sauvira. Scholars tell us that the Almug was really the Sandalwood tree. I'm not disputing that, but I am wondering why the Olmecs called the rubber tree Ulama(k). Just as the India-Indian Almug tree was held to be extremely sacred among the ancient Hindus, so also did the Olmecs revere the sacredness of the Ulama(k) tree.
A Sanskrit name for a particularly viscous sap is Urj. The Olmecs called the sap of their Ulama(k) tree Olli/Ulli. Olli was regarded as a sacred substance of life, like blood. Often, Olli sounded like Ollin because the Nahua-speaking people tended to nasalize the last syllable.
As I have stated, the Olmecs probably could pronounce "R" only as "L." The double "LL" in Spanish is regarded as a separate letter, sounding like Elye or Eljeh, according to the dialect being spoken. For instance, the Argentinians pronounce "Y" plus a vowel, as "J." For that reason, what the ancient Ul-mags or Mo-guls of Afghanistan called Urj, the Olmecs pronounced as Olji/Ulji.
Ulama - the ball game of life and death
The Olmecs played a type of sacred ball game, the name of which was the same as their sacred tree: Ulama. This holy ball game was played by all the Indians of the American Southwest, as far as the northern borders of South America itself...
The term Dravidian comes from the Sanskrit term Dravida, historically referring to Tamil Indians. There are three subgroups within the Dravidian language family: South, Central and North Dravidian which correspond to these regions of the Indian subcontinent.
The story goes back even further than this. As a leading proponent of the popular “alternative history” theory, Dr Hromnik contends that Mpumalanga was settled by ancient sea-faring Hindus some 40,000 years ago. They came for the ivory, the gold and the iron and erected temples and astronomical observatories on mountain tops. They built strong stonewalled cities from which they hunted, mined and traded throughout Southern Africa.
Dr. Hromnik believes that these people, who were mainly speakers of Dravidian languages and early Shivites by religion, were responsible for the ancient gold mines found in South Africa, Mozambique and Zimbabwe…
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The legacy of the Hindu empire is still reflected in local place names. Based on 15 years of research and his knowledge of Dravidian history, Dr. Hromnik believes that before the time of Christ, Indian traders named Komates, crossed the Indian Ocean in sailing boats manned by their Indonesian slaves. Like the Dutch East India Company who came later, they were driven by Monsoon trade winds blowing towards Africa and would return on reverse trade winds to India with their gold and ivory. This is supported by Biblical records which tell of the existence of gold and of the ancient gold trade in Africa.
The Komates settled with their Indonesian slaves in these regions, and then gradually moved further inland from the river mouths, seeking gold, and building their temples known as litaku. They mixed with the local !Kung (Bushmen), “the real people,” who are also called the !Kung-San. This gave rise to the Ottentotu (Hottentot).
The legacy of this Hindu empire is still reflected in many local place names. Between Natal, and Mpumalanga, South Africa, near the Swaziland border with South Africa, one finds the name Komati everywhere. This is also the region where Shebe, the richest gold mine in the world, is situated. Komati Gorge, Komati River, Lomati River, Komatiland and Komatipoort. It’s not much of a stretch to see that Komati is a contraction of the name Komates.
It is estimated that there are over 20,000 ancient stone ruins scattered throughout the mountains of southern Africa……
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The Komatis are said to have originally lived in large numbers along the Godavari River, which the locals called Gomati or Gomti. TheSanskrit Gomati was rendered into Telugu as Komati.
Hanumantha Rao noted that the merchant classes preferred Jainism for gaining social status and respectability, and the erstwhile Baniasbecame Gomati or followers of the Gomata cult in medieval times. The story of Vasavi, the caste goddess of the Vaishyas narrated in the Vaishya Purana is said to have definite Jain overtones.
According to Rao, there is an alternative etymology for the word Komti, as the “derivation of the word from gomata, the great Jaina saint, which implies that they were followers of Gomata cult or were originally Jains”.
Dwarakanath Gupta says that “These tradesmen (Beharulu) who hailed from Gouda Desa took to Jainism and adopted the ‘Gomata’ cult. The word Gomata got distorted slowly as Gomatlu, Kommathulu, Komattulu. In the Tamil and Malayalam languages the word ‘Komati’ is in use. These Jain Vysyas slowly gave up Jainism and embraced the Vedic religion during its revival.
Area where people speak Bengali. Indian West Bengal and Bangladesh.
Ancient India Timeline chart.
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