Tag: Max Müller

  • South North Siddhas Misinformation.Correct List

    South North Siddhas Misinformation.Correct List

    I would call it criminal to assign Religion,Region, Caste, and language to Siddhas and Yogis.

    This is exactly what has happened in india regarding Siddhars.

    We have Tamil Siddhars,North indian Siddhas,Maha Purusha, Yogins of North India,Yogis of South india,Islamic Siddhars et al.

    Siddas are Realized Souls, who transcend Time and Space.

    They have no religion , caste , creed and do not belong to any one specifically but to Humanity.

    This business of categorising them was stated by the Britishers as a part of dismantling Hinduism.

    I have a few Posts on this issue.

    The Missionaries in their effort to demolish Sanatana Dharam assumed Indian/Hindu Identities beginning with Robert De Nobili in Tamil Nadu.

    They infiltrated into Hinduism under the garb of embracing it,learnt the local languages and Sanskrit , misinterpreted,misinformed, created forgeries of Hindu Literature ,apart from producing Christian literature modled afer Hindu Texts.

    Thus they call the Bible as Vedaagamam. have even Jesus Sahasra nama!

    These interpolations have resulted in the pollution of Indian Texts.

    They have not spared even the Vedas, with Max Mueller leading the pack

    Please check out my Post on Max Muller the Fraud’s quotes.

    As it is Sanatana Dharma Texts do not have a written tradition.

    They are transmitted orally.

    So when some one embraces your Religion, pretend respect for it and prepares a written of these texts, people tend to take it as the Truth.

    This is what happened to Hinduism and specifically to the Treasures of Siddhas.

    Even to-day a Siddha  is considered by many as charlatans!

    How does one correct this?

    By producing the original records from the Oral Tradition.

    I am trying to do this.

    Eightty four Siddhas.jpg Charurasi Siddhas.

    I must admit I have posted a few articles on Tamil Siddhars,North Indian Siddhas List ,guilty of the accusation I am making of these interpolators.

    I have given these titles because people would read and understand only these terms as they have been fed on this.

    Now to the Truth.

    A Siddha is one who has transcended Citta.

    Chitta is higher than Intellect.

    Activity of he Brain in Mind.

    Direction of the Mind is by the Intellect.

    Chitta is on a Higher plane than Intellect, Buddhi.

    Please refer my Posts on Yoga Sutras.

    Patanjali defines Yoga as the cessation of the modifications of Chitta,

    Yogaha, Chitta Vrutti Nirodhah.

    Sidhhars are people who have transcended the Chitta and as such are were caled Chittas.

    Also there are eight special powers come on the way to Self Realization.

    They are Eight in number, called Ashtama Siddhis.

    Please refer my post for more details.

    The Siddhas, having realized the self , have transcended even these Siddhis.

    That is also a reason why they are called Siddas.

    So any realized Soul who meets this criteria is a Siddha.

    How does one identify a Siddha?

    I shall be posting on this shortly.

    Hence there is no caste,creed,for the  Siddhas.

    They are reported to be Timeless .

    They can speak in any language.

    For some reason they choose a particular language, Tamil, Hindi, Sanskrit and others.

    That does not mean they  belong to one group.

    And there is this seed sown by the west.

    Some Siddhas have attained Realization by following Buddhism, especially Mahayana.

    So they are shown as a distinct group.

    This is incorrect.

    A Siddha is a Siddha whether he followed Hinduism or Buddhism.

    Please read my Posts on Siddhas, Siddhas of North India Guru Parampara,Bhogar to get a complete picture of Indian Siddhas

    Abhayadatta Sri is an Indian scholar of the 12th century who is attributed with recording the hagiographies of the eighty-four siddha in a text known as The History of the Eighty-four Mahasiddha (Sanskrit: Caturasitisiddha pravrtti; Wylie: grub thob brgyad bcu tsa bzhi’i lo rgyus).

    Dowman holds that the eighty-four Mahasiddha are spiritual archetypes:

    The number eighty-four is a “whole” or “perfect” number. Thus the eighty-four siddhas can be seen as archetypes representing the thousands of exemplars and adepts of the tantric way. The siddhas were remarkable for the diversity of their family backgrounds and the dissimilarity of their social roles. They were found in every reach of the social structure: kings and ministers, priests and yogins, poets and musicians, craftsmen and farmers, housewives and whores.[2]

    Reynolds (2007) states that the mahasiddha tradition “evolved in North India in the early Medieval Period (3–13 cen. CE). Philosophically this movement was based on the insights revealed in the Mahayana Sutras and as systematized in the Madhyamaka and Chittamatrin schools of philosophy, but the methods of meditation and practice were radically different than anything seen in the monasteries.[3] He proffers that the mahasiddha tradition “broke with the conventions of Buddhist monastic life of the time, and abandoning the monastery they practiced in the caves, the forests, and the country villages of Northern India. In complete contrast to the settled monastic establishment of their day, which concentrated the Buddhist intelligenzia [sic.] in a limited number of large monastic universities, they adopted the life-style of itinerant mendicants, much as the wandering Sadhus of modern India.”[3]

    The charnel ground conveys how great mahasiddhas in the Nath and Vajrayana traditions such as Tilopa (988–1069) and Gorakshanath (fl. 11th – 12th century) yoked adversity to till the soil of the path and accomplish the fruit, the “ground” (Sanskrit: āśraya; Wylie: gzhi) of realization:[4]

    The charnel ground is not merely the hermitage; it can also be discovered or revealed in completely terrifying mundane environments where practitioners find themselves desperate and depressed, where conventional worldly aspirations have become devastated by grim reality. This is demonstrated in the sacred biographies of the great siddhas of the Vajrayāna tradition. Tilopa attained realization as a grinder of sesame seeds and a procurer for a prominent prostitute. Sarvabhakṣa was an extremely obese glutton, Gorakṣa was a cowherd in remote climes, Taṅtepa was addicted to gambling, and Kumbharipa was a destitute potter. These circumstances were charnel grounds because they were despised in Indian society and the siddhas were viewed as failures, marginal and defiled.

    …..

    The Caturasiti-siddha-pravrtti (CSP), “The Lives of the Eighty-four Siddhas”, compiled by Abhayadatta Sri, a Northern Indian Sanskrit text dating from the 11th or 12th century, comes from a tradition prevalent in the ancient city-state of Campa in the modern district of Bihar. Only Tibetan translations of this Sanskrit text seem to have survived. This text was translated into Tibetan by sMon grub Shes rab and is known as the Grub thob brgyad cu rtsa bzhi’i lo rgyus or “The Legends of the Eighty-four Siddhas”. It has been suggested that Abhayadatta Sri is identical with the great Indian scholar Mahapandita Abhayakaragupta (late 11th–early 12th century), the compiler of the iconographic compendiums Vajravali, Nispannayogavali, and Jyotirmanjari.

    The other major Tibetan tradition is based on the list contained in the Caturasiti-siddhabhyarthana (CSA) by Ratnakaragupta of Vajrasana, identical with Bodhgaya (Tib.: rDo rje gdan) located in Bihar, Northern India. The Tibetan translation is known as Grub thob brgyad cu rtsa bzhi’i gsol ’debs by rDo rje gdan pa. There exist several Tibetan versions of the list of mahasiddhas based on the Vajrasana text. However, these Tibetan texts differ in many cases with regard to the Tibetan transcriptions of the Indian mahasiddhas names.

    By convention there are eighty-four Mahasiddhas in both Hindu and Tibetan Buddhist traditions, with some overlap between the two lists. The number is congruent with the number of siddhi or occult powers held in the Indian Religions. In Tibetan Buddhist art they are often depicted together as a matched set in works such as thangka paintings where they may be used collectively as border decorations around a central figure.

    Each Mahasiddha has come to be known for certain characteristics and teachings, which facilitates their pedagogical use. One of the most beloved Mahasiddhas is Virupa, who may be taken as the patron saint of the Sakyapa sect and instituted the Lamdré (Tibetan: lam ‘bras) teachings. Virupa (alternate orthographies: Birwapa/Birupa) lived in 9th century India and was known for his great attainments.

    Some of the methods and practices of the Mahasiddha were codified in Buddhist scriptures known as Tantras. Traditionally the ultimate source of these methods and practices is held to be the historical Buddha Shakyamuni, but often it is a transhistorical aspect of the Buddha or deity Vajradhara or Samantabhadra who reveals the Tantra in question directly to the Mahasiddha in a vision or whilst they dream or are in a trance. This form of the deity is known as a sambhogakaya manifestation. The sadhana of Dream Yoga as practiced in Dzogchen traditions such as the Kham, entered the Himalayan tantric tradition from the Mahasiddha, Ngagpa and Bonpo. Dream Yoga or “Milam” (T:rmi-lam; S:svapnadarśana), is one of the Six Yogas of Naropa.[citation needed]

    Four of the eighty-four Mahasiddhas are women.[9] They are:

    • Manibhadra, the Perfect Wife
    • Lakshmincara, The Princess of Crazy wisdom
    • Mekhala, the elder of the 2 Headless Sisters
    • Kanakhala, the younger of the 2 Headless Sisters.

    Citations.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahasiddha#Genealogy_and_historical_dates

    http://yogindr.blogspot.in/2014/03/chaurasi-siddhas.html

    Please read a scholarly article on Siddhas being misinterpreted at the Link given below.

    http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/essays/siddhas.asp

    https://ramanisblog.in/2014/05/30/sages-of-india-list-a-timeline/

    For more on Siddhas Google Siddhas ramanan50

  • Chihuahua Mexico Is Shiva Hinduism In Americas

    The Sanatana Dharma extended to Americas as well.

    The Mayan and other civilisations in the Americas were evolved from and are the remains of the Sanatana Dharma.

    The construction of the Pyramids in the Americas and in Egypt has its base in Indian Vassthu Sastra.

    I shall be posting on the subject between the Thiruvannamalai Temple and Chichitzen Itza.

    Murudeswara,Karnataka.jpg
    Murudeshawara.

    Chihuahua district in Mexico derives its name from the root Shivava, named after a native American;Tamaulipas-Tamralipta;Nayarit-Nairitti..

    Shivava means the Temple of Shiva in Native American pronunciation.

     

    The early Kings were known as Nayars.

     

    Other etymological connections.

    Tabasco-Taba Kosh-place of meditation.

    Chiapas-Shiva Pas-Chiefs of Shiva.

    Sinaloa-Sinhala.

    The Pilgrim site of Chalma,Mexico was a Shiva Temple.

     

    Post Follows on this.

    Citation.

    India Once Ruled Americas by Gene D. Matlock.

    Mexicos Shrines

  • Where Are Manuscripts Of Vedas

    The Vedas, the Scriptures of the Hindus are voluminous.

     

    They were not written by any one but grasped from Ether.

     

    Tradition of Vedic Chanting.jpg
    Tradition of Vedic Chanting.

     

    (Image copyright Indira Gandhi National Center for Arts)

     

    There are four Vedas, Rig,Yajur, Sama and Atharva .

     

    In addition to this, we have Upavedas,Vedangas,Parisista,  not to speak of the Smritis.

     

    Of this lot this is what has been collected.

     

    “The complete corpus of Vedic mantras as collected in Bloomfield‘s Vedic Concordance (1907) consists of some 89,000 padas (metrical feet), of which 72,000 occur in the four Samhitas

     

    This is only for the Samhitas.

     

    Brahmanas,Aranyakas,Upanishads remain.

     

    There seems to be no information on when the Vedas were written in the form of manuscripts.

     

    The Digitized copies  of The Rigveda Brahmanas: the Aitareya and Kausītaki Brāhmanas of the Rigveda are in American Libraries.

     

    (Link provided below).

     

    1. Rgvedasamhita
      Accession No. : 5/1875-76
      Material : Birch Bark
      Uniqueness / Pecularity : The manuscript was used by Prof. F. Max Müller for the edition of the Rgveda with Sayana’s commentary. The manuscript is a beautiful specimen of the old style Manuscript of Kashmir.
    2. Bhagavata Purana
      Accession No. : 61/1907-1915
      No. of Illustrations : 128
      Uniqueness / Pecularity : It is one of the most precious mss. of the Institute’s collection. It contains 128 beautiful paintings in color.

     

    These are Thirty Volumes of Rig Veda Samhitas which Max Mueller had quoted and wrote his Books upon.

     

    Rest of the manuscripts’ whereabouts not known despite claims that they are in Germany, US do not seem to hold, as far as I could fathom.

     

    Readers may contribute.

     

    The best that had happened to Hinduism is that they have not been written but transmitted Orally.

     

    That is the reason they have survived.

     

    Hope efforts have been made to preserve available oral material has been saved.

     

     

    The Vedas on UNESCO Register.

     

    The Vedas comprise a vast corpus of Sanskrit poetry, philosophical dialogue, myth, and ritual incantations developed and composed by Aryans over 3,500 years ago. Regarded by Hindus as the primary source of knowledge and the sacred foundation of their religion, the Vedas embody one of the world’s oldest surviving cultural traditions.

    The Vedic heritage embraces a multitude of texts and interpretations collected in four Vedas, commonly referred to as “books of knowledge” even though they have been transmitted orally. The Rig Veda is an anthology of sacred hymns; the Sama Veda features musical arrangements of hymns from the Rig Veda and other sources; the Yajur Veda abounds in prayers and sacrificial formulae used by priests; and the Atharna Veda includes incantations and spells. The Vedas also offer insight into the history of Hinduism and the early development of several artistic, scientific and philosophical concepts, such as the concept of zero.

    Expressed in the Vedic language, which is derived from classical Sanskrit, the verses of the Vedas were traditionally chanted during sacred rituals and recited daily in Vedic communities. The value of this tradition lies not only in the rich content of its oral literature but also in the ingenious techniques employed by the Brahmin priests in preserving the texts intact over thousands of years. To ensure that the sound of each word remains unaltered, practitioners are taught from childhood complex recitation techniques that are based on tonal accents, a unique manner of pronouncing each letter and specific speech combinations.

    Although the Vedas continue to play an important role in contemporary Indian life, only thirteen of the over one thousand Vedic recitation branches have survived. Moreover, four noted schools – in Maharashtra (central India), Kerala and Karnataka (southern India) and Orissa (eastern India) – are considered under imminent threat.

     

    Citation.

     

    http://www.unesco.org/culture/ich/en/RL/0006

     

    www.acrhive.org

     

     

    www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/vedas

     

    www.bori.ac.in

     

  • Rig Veda Speed Of Light Precise Than Modern Science

     

    I have my son’s friend, who is also my friend, is in Australia(most of my son’s friends are my friends too< despite two decades difference in Ages).

     

    On Reading one of my posts on the predictions of Hinduism especially n regard to Technology, he remarked,

     

    “We have a habit of saying, after a New Thought in Modern Science has been brought forth, we say that it is already there in Hinduism and never say

     

    that before the discovery of new theories and if we are serious about our heritage, we should say what all have been said in our texts much before the

     

    present day findings.

     

    I replied that  agree and the reason people do nt know about our findings s that we do no read our texts and some of our thoughts look outrageous ,

     

    especially on Astrophysics, Time, we tend to call them as Fantasies!

    Speed of Lght In RigVeda
    Rig Veda on Speed of Light. Image Credit. http://brahmanisone.blogspot.in/2009/08/speed-of-light-from-sayana-bhashya.html

     

     

    Also that one of the purposes of Ramanis’ blog is to post as much information as I know on these subjects.

     

     

    There is also another accusation about Hinduism that People interpolate facts in the ancient texts and say that the modern findings are found in our

     

    texts.

     

     

    Untrue; wherever possible I have been provoking texts to prove that there is no interpolation.

     

    I am posting now on the Speed of Light as found in the Rig Veda.

     

    This s also doubted that there is an interpolation.

     

    I shall disprove this.

     

    “Sayana ,Sāyaṇācārya  1315- 1387) was an important commentator on the Vedas. He flourished under King Bukka I and his successor Harihara II,

     

    in the Vijayanagar Empire of South India.

     

    He was the son of Māyaṇa, and the pupil of Vishnu Sarvajna and of Samkarananda.

     

    More than a hundred works are attributed to him, among which are commentaries on nearly all parts of the Veda; some were carried out by his pupils, and some were written in conjunction with his brother Mādhava or Vidyāraṇya-svāmin

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    Hs works were edited by Max Mueller.

     

    Whale commenting on The Rig Veda, Sayana explains about the Speed/Velocity of Light’

     

    Regarding Speed of Light:


    There are 2 quotes. I will try to reproduce as given in the book:

     

    taraNirvishvadarshato jyotiShk^Ridasi sUrya | vishvamAbhAsi rochanam |

     

    Oh Sun! (You) overwhelm all in speed, visible to all, source of light. (You) shine pervading the Universe.

     

    tathA cha smaryata yojanAnAM sahasram dve dve shate dve cha yojane | ekena nimiShArdhena kramamANa namo&stu te ||

     

     

    It is remembered (that) Salutations to Thee (sun), the traveller of 2.202 yojanas in half a nimiSha.

    Source:


    Rg-veda-samhitA, maNDalam 1, sUktam 50, mantraH 4 (6000 DCE) sAyanAchArya’s commentary (14th century AD)

     

    “tatha ca smaryate yojananam. sahasre dve dve sate dve ca yojane ekena nimishardhena kramaman”
    तथा च स्मर्यते योजनानां सहस्त्रं द्वे द्वे शते द्वे च योजने एकेन निमिषार्धेन क्रममाण नमोऽस्तुते॥
    “[O Sun,] bow to you, you who traverse 2,202 yojanas in half a nimesha.”.
    Explaining this,
    Vartak in his Scientific Knowledge in the Vedas (1995, p. 95).[3]

    • 1 yojana is said to comprise either 4 or 8 krosha (a cry or shout, or the range of the voice in calling); and 1 krosha (or goruta ~ as far as a cow’s lowing may be heard, or a bull’s roar) may represent either 1000 or 2000 daNDa (a rod or staff), and 1 danda represents 1 pauruSa (a man’s length) which equals 1 dhanvantara (bow-string) or dhanu (bow). 1 yojana measures either 4,000 or (more likely) 8,000 dhanus. Assuming that 1 paurusha is 6 ft long, then 1 yojana must represent a distance of about 14.6 km (or about 9 miles, as suggested by Monier-Williams).
    • nimesa means shutting the eye or winking, and as a measure of time it is a wink of the eye or a moment. The Arthashastra (c. 300 BC) defines 1 nimesa as 1/360,000th of a day and night, i.e. 0.24 seconds.
    • Given that 1 yojana is between 14.6 and 16.4 km, 2,202 yojanas must represent between 32,149 and 36,113 km. Half a nimesha is 0.12 seconds. Sayana thus gives the “speed of the Sun” as between 267,910 and 300,940 km/sec, i.e. the same order of magnitude as the speed of light at 299,792 km/sec.”(wiki)

     

    . The units are well-known.

     

    For example, the Indian epic “Mahabharata”, conservatively dated to 400 BC – 400 AD, defines 1 nimesha to be equal to 16/75.3 seconds; 1 yojana is about 9 miles.

     

    This is the same as Modern Science on the Speed of Light: in fact more precise !

     

    There s objection to this that Sayana says this about the movement of the Sun and not Light.

     

    My point is that Hinduism speaks in allegories.

     

    If they were speaking directly then with so much of calculations they would not be saying that the Sun has Seven Horses, which are the colors of

    Light, VIBGYOR.

     

    The Sun is an allegory for Light Energy( At the same time a Personal God,  shall be posting later on this)

     

    So Sayana was referring to Light.

     

    What are the chances of Interpolations/Fraud?

     

    Substituting in Sayana’s statement we get 186,536 miles per second. Unbelievable, you’d say! It cannot be the speed of light.

     

    Maybe it refers to the speed of the sun in its supposed orbit around the earth.

     

    But that places the orbit of the sun at a distance of over 2,550 million miles.

     

    The correct value is only 93 million miles and until the time of Roemer the distance to the sun used to be taken to be less than 4 million miles. This interpretation takes us nowhere.

    What about the possibility of fraud? Sayana’s statement was printed in 1890 in the famous edition of Rigveda edited by Max Muller, the German Sanskritist.

     

    He claimed to have used several three or four hundred year old manuscripts of Sayana’s commentary, written much before the time of Roemer.

     

    Is it possible that Muller was duped by an Indian correspondent who slipped in the line about the speed? Unlikely, because Sayana’s commentary is so well known that an interpolation would have been long discovered.

     

    And soon after Muller’s “Rigveda” was published, someone would have claimed that it contained this particular “secret” knowledge.

     

    The fact that the speed in the text corresponds to the speed of light was pointed out only recently by S.S. De and P.V. Vartak.

     

    Also a copy of Sayana’s manuscript, dated 1395 AD, is available.

     

    Further support for the genuineness of the figure in the ancient book comes from another old book, the Vayu Purana.

     

    This is one of the earliest Puranas, considered to be at least 1,500 years old. (The same reference is to be found in the other Puranas as well.)

    In Chapter 50 of this book, there is the statement that the sun moves 3.15 million yojanas in 48 minutes.

     

    This corresponds to about 10,000 miles per second if considered as speed of light, and 135 million miles for the distance to the sun,

     

    if considered as the speed of the sun. Sayana’s speed of light is exactly 18 times greater than this speed of the sun! Mere numerology?

     

    For the rationalists these numbers are a coincidence.

     

    Given the significance of these numbers, they’d look very carefully at the old manuscripts of Sayana’s commentary.

     

     

     

    Citation.

    http://www.hinduhistory.info/speed-of-light-discovery-by-vedic-scholar-sayana/

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