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  • Sagara Ramas Ancestor Married Dravidian Princess

    History of ancient India is complex,yet very interesting.

    Seemingly disconnected facts,events acquire  significance when they are analysed .

    One such is the intimacy between the Dravida Desa and Sanatana Dharma.

    Both have an intricate,complex relationship .

    Both quote each other.

    The Kings of the Northern India had a close relationship with their counterparts from the south,right from the days of the First Human Being,Manu.

    Manu was a king of Dravida Desa.

    He meditated in Madagascar,which was a part of his kingdom.

    He had a daughter who was married in the south.

    She was Ila.

    And King Sagara,of Ikshvaku Dynasty whose son. Bhagiratha brought River Ganga to earth,India was married to a south Indian,Dravida Princess.

    She belonged to Sibi,aka Sivi dynasty.

    She founded the Lunar Culture

    ‘Sagara) is a prominent king of the Suryavansha dynasty in Satya Yuga. He has two wives, one a princess of the Vidarbha, and the other from royal lineage of Sivi,’

    Source. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Sagara

    SIBI.

    Sibi,Emperor.image.jpg
    King Sibi.

    ‘The story of Sibi Chakravarthy is so famous that it was sculpted in the Barhut, Nagarjunakonda ,Amaravati bas-reliefs and  Borobudur in Java,Indonesia (see Boropudur sculpture above).

    Tamil epics Silappadikaram and Manimekalai gave more details about this link. Since the oldest part of Sangam Tamil literature mentions it no one can reject it. The link is confirmed with other stories as well.

    Sibi ruled from the north west of India. There was a Sibi puram on the banks of river Chenab in Punjab. Sibi clan is mentioned in Rig Veda and Brahmanas. Panini referred one Sivapuram may be the same Sibipuram’

    Sibi is in Nort west of India, currently in Pakistan.

    There are views that Sibi ruled from there and that the Tamils were from North India.

    Considering the differences between the Tamil Culture and Sanatana Dharma, thought Tamils were a part of Sanatana Dharma and the archeological evidence,Literature, the structural difference between Sanskrit , I am of the opinion that it is not so.

    In the case of Sibi. it is probable that Sibi had the city of Sibi as a second capital.‘

     

  • River Ganga 25 Million Years Old

    River Ganga 25 Million Years Old

    Ganga,aka Ganges,is one of the largest Rivers of India and is considered as holiest of the Holies in Hinduism.

    As many as eleven major  Hindu pilgrimage centers are on the banks of the River Ganga.

    There are seven holy rivers mentioned in ancient Hindu texts.

    Ganga,

    Yamuna,

    Godavari,

    Sarasvathi,

    Narmada,

    Sindhu, and

    Kaveri.

    Ancient Vedic culture flourished here along with the other Vedic cultures on the banks of the other six rivers mentioned above.

    In examining the antiquity of Sanatana Dharma,Gaga region has not attracted as much attention as Sarasvathi.

    Similar is the case with the other rivers.

    How old is river Ganga?

    Hindus normally take it to be from the time Bhagiratha ,by intense Prayers to Lord Shiva, brought it back to earth.

    One has to note that he ‘brought it back’

    That means it must have existed before and vanished.

    There seems to be a message here.

    According to all Puranas, Satyavrata Manu was the first human being on earth.

    Bhagavatha Purana records that he was a King from Dravida(south)Desa( country).

    He being forewarned of a Tsunami,moved to a high plateau in Madagascar and then moved to Ayodhya,where his son Ikshvaku founded the Ikshvaku Dynasty.

    No mention of Ganga at the corresponding time frame of Manu,when he was in the south.

    So there is scope for research in this.

    Then we have the Southern kingdom he is reported to have ruled before the Tsunami.

    It indicates that he had a country to rule and there must have been other regions,apart from Dravida Desa.

    There were four civilizations then.

    Uighur,

    Atlantis,

    Manu and

    Lemuria.

    And there is reference that Lake Baikal ,Russia being the Vaikanasa Theertha of Indra .

    More on this in future articles.

    Now there are three versions as to the origins of Ganga.

    One by Indra,

    By Vamana,an Avatar of Vishnu and by

    Bhagiratha,ancestor of Rama,descendant of Manu,.

    ‘

    The Vedic version, Indra, the Lord of Svarga (Heaven) slays the celestial serpent, Vritra, releasing the celestial liquid, the soma, or the nectar of the gods which then plunges to the earth and waters it with sustenance.

    In the Vaishnava version of the myth, Indra has been replaced by his former helper Vishnu. The heavenly waters are now a river called Vishnupadi (padi: Skt. “from the foot of”).As he completes his celebrated three strides—of earth, sky, and heaven—Vishnu as Vamana stubs his toe on the vault of heaven, punches open a hole, and releases the Vishnupadi, which until now had been circling around the cosmic egg within. Flowing out of the vault, she plummets down to Indra’s heaven, where she is received by Dhruva, the once steadfast worshipper of Vishnu, now fixed in the sky as the polestar. Next, she streams across the sky forming the Milky Way and arrives on the moon She then flows down earthwards to Brahma’s realm, a divine lotus atop Mount Meru, whose petals form the earthly continents.There, the divine waters break up, with one stream, the Alaknanda, flowing down one petal into Bharatvarsha (India) as the Ganges.

    It is Shiva, however, among the major deities of the Hindu pantheon, who appears in the most widely known version of the avatarana story.

    ……..the story begins with a sage, Kapila, whose intense meditation has been disturbed by the sixty thousand sons of King Sagara. Livid at being disturbed, Kapila sears them with his angry gaze, reduces them to ashes, and dispatches them to the netherworld. Only the waters of the Ganga, then in heaven, can bring the dead sons their salvation. A descendant of these sons, King Bhagiratha, anxious to restore his ancestors, undertakes rigorous penance and is eventually granted the prize of Ganga’s descent from heaven. However, since her turbulent force would also shatter the earth, Bhagiratha persuades Shiva in his abode on Mount Kailash to receive Ganga in the coils of his tangled hair and break her fall. Ganga descends, is tamed in Shiva’s locks, and arrives in the Himalayas. She is then led by the waiting Bhagiratha down into the plains at Haridwar, across the plains first to the confluence with the Yamuna at Prayag and then to Varanasi, and eventually to Ganga Sagar, where she meets the ocean, sinks to the netherworld, and saves the sons of Sagara.’

    1.The version of Vedas are to be taken as it is the earliest record and in Hindu traditions Veda is final and  Puranas and Ithihasas Ramayana,Mahabharatha are only secondary.

    In case of conflict with Vedas,the words of Veda is final.

    2.As mentioned in the above paragraphs,there must have been other regions,before the Tsunami,when Manu ruled the South.

    3.Bhagiratha brought Ganga from Deva Loka of Indra.

    Deva loka is identified as the present Russia and Indra’s capital Amaravathi was in Russia.

    Lake Baikal was Vaikanasa Theertha of Indra.

    4.The term Ganga has only one more significant meaning.

    ‘Name of the source of the gaṅgā- (said to have sprung from viṣṇu-‘s foot or from an aperture made in the mundane egg by the toe-nail of viṣṇu-)’

    Reference. http://sanskritdictionary.com/?iencoding=iast&q=Ganga&lang=sans&action=Search

    Now that brings in the Vishnu connection and Vamana Avatar.

    This Avatar is in Satya Yuga, The Eon earlier to the Treta Yuga,when Bhagiratha brought Ganga back

    And this Avatar was in the south.

     

    Therefore Ganga dates earlier to Bhagiratha .

    Now to Geology on Ganga’s Date.

    ‘The Indian subcontinent lies atop the Indian tectonic plate, a minor plate within the Indo-Australian Plate.Its defining geological processes commenced seventy-five million years ago, when, as a part of the southern supercontinent Gondwana, it began a northeastwards drift—lasting fifty million years—across the then unformed Indian Ocean.The subcontinent’s subsequent collision with the Eurasian Plate and subduction under it, gave rise to the Himalayas, the planet’s highest mountain ranges. In the former seabed immediately south of the emerging Himalayas, plate movement created a vast trough, which, having gradually been filled with sediment borne by the Indus and its tributaries and the Ganges and its tributaries,now forms the Indo-Gangetic Plain’

    As the  Geological process  began 75 million years ago and it took 50 million years for the Drift,it is logical that Ganga was formed around 25 million years ago.

    Reference and Citation. In Block Quote.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganges

  • Four Earliest Civilizations Rama Tamil Empires

    I had written on the ancient civilizations of the world.

    The earliest civilizations included the Rama Empire.

    The ancestor of Lord Rama, Vaivaswatha Manu lived in the south,The Dravida Desa.

    He migrated to Ayodhya because of a Tsunami.

    He meditated in a Plateau at the time of the Tsunami which is now in Madagascar.

    Pleased read details  Manu Meditated in Madagascar

    His son Ikshvaku founded the Ikshvaku founded the Ikshvaku Dynasty, to which Lord Rama Belongs

    Manu migrated to North

    And in the War with Atlantean people Rama was involved.

    Rama's Empire.
    Rama Empire

    When one cross checks this information with the history of Tamils, Atlantis.,Osiris it clicks.

    There were four ancient civilizations,

    .Lemuria,

    Atlantis,

    Osirian  and

    Ikshvaku.

    The timeline is from 76,000 BC!

    Reference and citation.

    76000 – 24000 B.C. Lemurian Civilization:
    Lemuria was an island which embraced all of present-day Australia, New Zealand, the Philippines, Oceania, western North America, and everything between. It was destroyed by earthquakes and then submerged about 26,000 years ago. Man’s first civilization arose on the continent of Lemuria 78,000 years ago and reached heights so great that our present civilization can barely be considered a civilization when compared to it. Government, religion, and science achieved such perfection as to be far beyond our present comprehension. Western Civilization is only about 2,500 years old and has narrowly survived its power-seeking rulers and priests. Our science and technology are but in their infancy and as yet consist of but relatively few rediscoveries. The religion of Lemuria was established on the laws of the universe by Christ Himself when He ruled Lemuria under the name Melchizedek.

    22500 – 8500 B.C. Atlantean Civilization:
    After the destruction of Lemuria, Atlantis grew to be a great nation, which subsequently proved to be the world’s second-ranking civilization. It flourished for some 14,000 years until its submersion about 10,500 years ago. The name of this nation was Poseid, and it was the offspring of the colony which the Pfrees (overly practical) had originally established.

    The nation of Poseid was inventive far beyond the wildest imaginings of modern scientists. Their fantastically advanced technology afforded consummate leisure, comfort, and a vast abundance of material things. Unfortunately, the people were much too preoccupied with the pursuit of physical pleasures and with the accumulation of luxurious possessions to take advantage of the opportunity to attain citizenship, and this shortcoming ultimately resulted in their downfall. Internal conflict arose when large numbers of Katholis (overly idealistic) deserted their cities in South and Central America and migrated to Poseid in order to escape their savagely warlike neighbors. The Katholi priests set about to bring Poseid under their sway, but they only succeeded in destroying the governmental and economic system which produced the wealth and luxuries they sought to usurp. Civil and religious warfare vexed the land until it submerged beneath the ocean waves.

    When Atlantis sank in a localized earthquake, it left all the rest of the globe impoverished so far as technology was concerned. Nobody else knew how to duplicate that technology; so many of the things that had been used world-wide simply didn’t exist any longer. Even though technology gradually diminished in the rest of the world, they managed to be civilized towards one another. But then 3,000 years after the sinking of Atlantis came a world-wide reapportionment of the land masses.

    5500 B.C. Osirian and Rama Nations:
    The third greatest civilization was the pre-dynastic Egyptian culture, known as Osiris, which was greatly different from the records that we are able to find of the various dynasties. The fourth greatest civilization was the Rama Empire in the Indian sub-continent. The common people in India then had an entirely different philosophy than the educated ruling families who, incidentally, were members of the Brotherhoods.

    The pre-dynastic Egyptian culture was concurrent with the Rama Empire and both were concurrent with the end times of the Atlantean civilization. They were known as the three kings. Atlantis was predominantly a very practical group of people. The people in the Rama Empire of India were much more idealistic than they were either practical or mentally oriented. The Osirian nation was primarily noted for its use of mental techniques in a positive way.

    The ancient Rama Empire in India became the fourth-ranking civilization under a dynasty of enlightened leaders who for a period of several centuries suppressed the priesthood. The Rama regime and predynastic Egypt had both managed to salvage some of their culture after the fall of Atlantis, but the rest of the world was reduced to a condition of brutal struggle for survival. The colonies of the world were irretrievably shut off from the technology of Atlantis, and in a few generations they reverted to a stone age-existence. The few manufacturing facilities not destroyed by world-wide earthquakes and tidal waves soon deteriorated from lack of raw materials to feed them. Stone replaced smelted metals for tools, and all too soon subsequent generations couldn’t believe anything other than stone had ever been used. Egypt and India were precariously spared from the far-reaching upheaval, and their weakened governments gradually succumbed to evil priests and war lords.

    That last reapportionment 7,500 years ago put an end to the Rama Empire in India as well as the Osirian nation in the Mediterranean basin. Today, what we consider ancient history only goes back to about that cataclysm. What we commonly refer to as the “cradle” of civilization in the region of the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers of today, was people coming back to some semblance of civilization and culture.

    http://www.adelphi.com/past_and_future_history/ancient_empires.html

  • Why Rama Uses Brahmin Rishis In Gotra Pravara

    I had written on the Gotra and the Pravara of Lord  Rama.

    He recites the names of Brahmin Rishis as his ancestors in His Pravara.

    Lord Rama was a Kshatriya.

    Why?

    Rama with Kodanda,Bow.jpg
    Lord Rama

    Lord Rama’s Gotra/Pravara is this.

    ‘

    Yajur vEDa Saakhaa adhyaayinE, VaasishTa, MaitraavruNa KouNDinya trayaarishEya Prvaraanvita, VasishTa

     

    GotrOdbhavaaya, Tribhuvanaadheesaaya, AkhilaaNDa kOti BrahmaaNDa naayakaaya, Tattva ateetaaya, Sat chit Ananda

    moortayE, Soorya Vamsa Paavanaaya, Akhila jagad aananda kaarakkaya, Ksheeraabdi VaasinE, SaraNaagata vatsalaaya,

    Kousalyaananda Vardhanaaya, ThaTakaa ThaaTakEyaantakaaya, Sree Paada rENu paalita Goutama kaLatraaya, Parama

    Bhaagavata architaaya, khaNDeekrita tripura chaapaaya, Saadu jana nivaasa vrukshaaya,LakshmaNa agrajaaya, Sreevatsa

     

     Koustuba  haara - kanaka kEyooraadi DivyaabharaNa bhooshitaaya, Vaijayantee Vanamaala sObitaaya, Ikshvaaku Vamsa

     

    Udbhavaaya, Naabhaaga VarmaNa: naphtrE, Aja Mahaaraaja VarmaNa: poutraaya, Dasaratha Mahaaraaja VarmaNa: putraaya,

     

    Sree Raamachandra VarmaNE Saakshaat NaaraayaNa svaroopaaya varaaya'

    Pravara of Lord Rama

    Now Lord Rama was a Kshatriya.

    Yet we find that He uses the Brahmin Rishis as his ancestors as His Pravara!

    Why?

    Gotra is derived from two sources.

    One is ancestors an another is the  Guru Shishya Parampara, Preceptor Disciple Lineage.

    That is one type uses the ancestors an the other uses the Guru of his family.

    The Ancestors are used tin Gotra/Pravara by the Brahmins.

    They do not use the Guru, except in some cases, like Viswamitra as he was by birth a Kshatriya and later became a Brahmin because of Knowledge.

    His original Name was Kausika when he was a King.

    When he became a Brahma Rishi, he was called Viswamitra and there is Kausika nd Viswmitra and Kausika Gotra.

    The offspring he sire when he was a king Kausik use the Kausika and after he became a Brahmin, those offspring use Viswamitra Gotra.

    Other communities like Kshatriya, Vaisya and Sura normally use their family priests, Guru’s Gotra for they considered Gurus as spiritual Fathers.

    Lord Rama chose a middle path thus,

    ‘

    Yajur vEDa Saakhaa adhyaayinE, VaasishTa, MaitraavruNa KouNDinya trayaarishEya Prvaraanvita, VasishTa''

    Translation.

    He belongs to the Pravara consisting of three Rishis viz., VasishTar, MaitraavaruNar and

     

    KouNDinyar; He is born in the VasishTa Gotra

    GotrOdbhavaaya,  ( Guru Prampara)...

     

    Ikshvaaku Vamsa

    Udbhavaaya, Naabhaaga VarmaNa: naphtrE, Aja Mahaaraaja VarmaNa: poutraaya, Dasaratha Mahaaraaja VarmaNa: putraaya, (ancestors)

    Translation.

     

    He belongs to Ikshvaaghu Vamsam: He is the Great grandson of Naabhaaga Mahaaraaja Varma; He is the

     

    grandson of Aja Mahaaraaja Varma; He is the son of Dasaratha Mahaaraaja Varma; He is Sree Ramachandra Varma;'

    Note how meticulously he uses the term Varma , indicating  that He is a Kshatriya.

    Brahmins must use the term Sarma, Kshatriyas Varma and Vaisyas Gupta after their Names in Pravara.

    Thus Rama does not make  a mistake when He uses the Brahmin Rishis in His Pravara.

     

  • Become Invisible In Pond Thiruvellarai Oldest Vishnu Temple

    There are a few places in India which are reported to be quiet ancient, some of them to Billion years!
    And these have been dated scientifically.
    For example Thiruvannamalai 3.94 billion years, Thirupati 2100 million years.
    Please read my posts on these places and more places similar to them.
    And now there is an addition to this list.

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    The Temple for Vishnu at Srirangam ,is reported to be built by Rama,though many state that it was built earlier.
    This period belongs to Treta Yuga, some 4,32,000 ago according to Indian Texts.
    Historical dating of Lord Rama is around 5114 BC.
    We may safely state that Srirangam belongs to 5114 BC, if not earlier.
    References are found in Indian Texts that there is another temple which was built earlier by Lord Rama’s ancestor, King Sibi.
    The same Sibi is mentioned as the one who parted with his Flesh to feed a Dove.
    This has been mentioned in Tamil Sangam Literature, which is dated around 3000 BC.
    But  the date of Sangam literature is pushed back by at least by 20,000 subsequent finding of the ruins of Poompuhar,Tamil Nadu.
    Poompuhar’s period was much later than Sangam period!
    The Tamil Cholas are referred to as the descendants of Ikshvaku Clan,to which Lord Rama belonged.
    So the refernce to a temple earlier to that of Srirangam gains credibility.
    The Temple of Pundarikaksha(Vishnu) is mentioned in Sangam Classics and also referred to in King Rajaraja’s inscriptions.

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    Rajaraja built the Thanjavur Big Temple.
    He belongs to 1039 AD.
    The place where the temple is was called Thiruvellarai. Even now it is called so.
    Thiruvellarai is about 19 km from Srirangam and bus facilities are available.
    Nearest Airport.  Thiruchirapalli.
    Railway Station. Thiruchirapalli/Srirangam.
    It is recorded in Srimad Bhagavadham that Rakshsas of the South,Rakshasa being a powerful race mostly settled in now sunk Lemuria, were inciting rebellion in the south of King Sibi’s Kingdom.
    Sibi proceeded with his army to annihilate the Rakshasas but was thwarted by a wild Boar(Swetha Varaha, an Avatar of Lord Vishnu).
    Sage Markandeya who was in meditation there advised Sibi that Sibi’s descendent (Rama)would take care of the Rakshasas and Sibi should build  temple for Vishnu and have His darshan.
    This Sibi did and this is the Thiruvellarai temple.
    Temple timings. 6 to 12 noon. 4 pm to 8 pm.
    Contact. SRI Kannan +91 8760732566
    As the Bhattars in charge of pooja perform duties by turn I have provided the permanent staff  number at the temple

    The Main Deity is Pundaikakshan( Lotus eyed Vishnu).
    ‘ Goddess: Shenbagavalli, also called as Periya Piraattiyaar Lakshmi Devi. Seperate sannadhi for Thaayar. Utsavar thaayar is named as Pangajavalli.
    Mangalasasanam: Periyalwar – 11, Thirumangai Alwar – 13, a total of 14 Paasurams. Perialwar – 71, 192 – 201, Thirumangaialwar – 1368-77, 1851, 2673, 2674
    Prathyaksham for Periya Thiruvadi Garudan, Sibi chakravarthy, Bhoodevi (Bhoomi Piratti), Maarkandeya Maharishi, Lord Brahma, Rudhran (Lord Shiva).
    Sri Pundarikakshan, Bhoomi Piratti, Periya piratti, Suriya and Chandiran and Aadisheshan are in human forms in the Moolavar Place.
    Other shrines: Krishna, Vishwaksenar, Nammazhwar, Chakarathazhwar, Nadhamunigal, Kulasekara Azhwar, Thondarippodi Azhwar, Andal, Ramanuja and Manavala Mamunigal.
    At the very entrance are the 18 steps reminding one of the 18 chapters of Bhagvat Gita given to us byPundareekakshan.
    After this, one comes across 4 steps that are considered equal to the 4 Vedas to reach the Bali Peetam.
    From here, one enters the Perumal sannidhi by ascending 5 steps representing the PanchaBhoothams (Fire, Water, Space, Air and Earth) and crossing theNaazhi Kettaan Vasal.
    Here there are 2 gates Dakshinaayana Gate and Utharaayana Gate which are alternately used during the Dakshinayana/ Utharayana 6 month periods.
    One climbs further 8 steps remind one of Ashtaaksharam
    Thereafter one comes to the 24 steps reminding one of Gayathri Mantram to arrive at the sanctum sanctorum,where Senthaamarai Kannan (Pundareekaakshan) stands with His consort Pankayacchelvi Naacchiyaar.
    Legend has it that all the Vaishnavas who perform daily poojas in temples in south are originally from Thiruvellarai.
    The sanctum sanctorum has two entrances namely Utharayana Gate and the Dakshinayana Gate as in the Sarangapani temple at Kumbakonam. Utharayana Gate is open from the Tamil month of Thai (Capricorn) until the month of Aadi (Cancer), i.e., from Jan 15 to June 15 approximately and from then on, the Dakshinayana Gate is open.
    In the human life, there are two separate entrances, one for entering into the life and the other for exiting out of it. We would be able to feel the presence of Paramaathma in both – while entering into the life and while exiting out of it. The two gates represnt this. The Utharayana Gate is the entrance through which all the Jeevathmas enter into the world as a human-being or as a non human-being and is the place of “Lord Guberan”, the God of wealth. The Dhakshinayana Gate is the entrance to the death and it is the place of Lord Yama, the king of Naragam. The Lord is ‘Suriya Narayanan’ during Utharayanam and is ‘Govindan’ during Dakshinayanam.
    Apart from Utharayana and Dakshinayana Gates, the sanctum sanctorum has one more entrance called ‘Naazhi Kettaan Vaayil’ where it is believed that the Lord was intercepted and questioned by his consort, upon his returning home later, after his sojourn. Even today, during the festivals, after completing the trip outside, Perumal has to account for his time to his consort by informing the time he started, the places he visited etc., at this gate in order to gain entry into the temple.
    A Temple tank Swastik Kulam (pond) or Maamiyaar -Maattu Penn (Mother in law – Daughter in law) 3, maintained by Archeological Survey of India (ASI) is outside the temple on the south-eastern side. The Swasthik shape of the tank makes it possible that people bathing at one ghat cannot view any other ghat. There are beautiful sculptures in the pillars above the steps.


    In front of big pillar in this temple, when we make any sound, it replicates and echo around the temple in the inner prakaram. Because of this, some of the paasurams in Divyapprabhandhams are recited for 2-3 times.
    There are two cave temples in the rocks, one of them belongs to the period of `Pallava Malla’ Nandivarman II and another belongs to the period of Rajaraja 1. There is another cave temple carved out of a rock known as Swedhagiri where Lord Siva, known as `Vada Jambunathar’ and Pundarikaksha are enshrined.

    I have noticed that as one enters the Artha Mandapa,one can feel a cool breeze blowing ,though the temperature outside makes one sweat and there is no source for the cool air inside.

    Thiruvellarai Brief detailshttps://youtu.be/_Jpwu1m2An8

    Citation and reference.
    https://shanthiraju.wordpress.com/2007/10/24/thiruvellarai/

    Thiruvellarai Pundarikaksha temple.