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  • Aryan Definition Rig Veda, History Encyclopedia

    इन्द्रं वर्धन्तो अप्तुरः कृण्वन्तो विश्वं आर्यं अपघ्नन्तो अराव्णः

    There is a lot of Talk about who Aryan Is and there was a theory, though repudiated now, being touted by self styled Secularists even today, and also that the Aryans were inimical to Indigenous population in India, though only God only knows whom they designate by that term.

    If ,the term Dravida is meant by them there definition is not right either. Shall write on who/what a Dravida is.

    In this article let me see what Arya means. Arya, in Sanskrit means ,’One who is without Blemish, brave, Not cowardly( see Anaryajushtam Akeerthikaram me Arjuna-Bhagavad Gita Chapter 2.

    “इन्द्रं वर्धन्तो अप्तुरः कृण्वन्तो विश्वं आर्यं अपघ्नन्तो अराव्णः  – Rigveda 9.63.5
    Indram vardhanto apturah krinvanto vishwam aaryam apaghnanto araavNah – RV 9:63:5
    Here the key word is “AraavNah (अराव्णः) which categorically means “one who isn’t liberal, hence of jealous and hostile ideology”..
    Augmented by Indra’s strength, civilize the world by destroying the non-liberal and jealous ones…http://kalchiron.blogspot.com/2011/03/civilize-world-in-what-context.html


    Say Rigveda (9.63.5): Indram vardhanto apturah, Krinvanto Vishvam Aryam..

    They (Aryas, Somas) advance fast and vibrant at top speed, glorifying life and the Creator, making the world noble, reducing and eliminating the causes of suffering, forces, of negativity, uncreativity, selfishness, exploitation, fear and terror.

    Such are the Aryas: dynamic, enlightened, creative, and constructive, in the direction of positive progress, peace and happiness of all (niyam 6 & 9).

    The meaning the word Samaj is ‘a united, integrated, harmonious, living and vibrant community, itself moving and moving and advancing all others to a life of peace and comprehensive all round progress, physically, mentally, culturally and spiritually, for the individual and society as a whole.’ http://www.aryasamaj.com/enews/2011/aug/3.htm

    Definition By History Encyclopedia.

     “Aryan is a designation originally meaning “civilized”, “noble”, or “free” without reference to any ethnicity. It was first applied as a self-identifying term by a migratory group of people from Central Asia later known as Indo-Iranians (who settled on the Iranian Plateau) and, later, applied to Indo-Aryans (who traveled south to settle northern India). The word had no widespread ethnic connotation prior to the 19th century CE other than its usage by the Persians (known as ‘Iranians’ from ‘Aryans’) to distinguish themselves from their Muslim Arab conquerors in the 7th century CE, and even then (it could be argued) it was not so much an ethnic distinction as one of class and personhood. Prior to the conquest Persia had been “the land of the Aryans” and, afterwards, a term was coined for non-Aryans.https://www.ancient.eu/Aryan/

  • Kanchipuram Tribe In Vasishta Viswamitra War

    Many tribes are mentioned in the Ancient texts of India, The Vedas,Puranas,Ramayana, Mahabharata and later works of Poets like Kalidasa.

    The Rig Veda describes the tribes in detail.

    And these mention that some these tribes scattered around the world, thus sowing the seeds of Sanatana Dharma around the world.

    Also there was another civilization flourishing in the south of Vindhya mountains.

    It was the Dravida, now being identified as Lemurianas and MU civilizations.

    Apart from this there were two more civilizations in place.

    Ekambareswarar Temple, Kanchipuram,Tamil Nadu India.jpg
    Ekambareswarar Temple, Kanchipuram,Tamil Nadu India.

    They were,

    The Uighurs and

    The Atlanis People.

    For more details please read my article Rama dropped Atom Bomb.

    The Vedic texts refer to the Dravidians and the Chera,Chola and Pandya Kings.

    They were present during the Swayamvara of Damayanti, which predates Ramayana, of Draupadi and the Rajasuya Yaga of Yudhishtra.

    And the Kings from the South participated in the MahabharataWar.

    Now to the tribes mentioned in the Ancient texts of India.

    The earliest reference is to the Battle of Ten Kings.

    We find references to many tribes.

    There was a war between the Kings mostly from the North of Vindhyas.

    Now there is yet another reference of the  Tribes of India , involving Sage Vasishta and Viswamitra.

    Sage Vasishta, though the Family Priest of the Ikshvaku Dynasty, not much of is heard of him after Ramayana.

    It seems that he left with Shiva and Ganesha towards the west of India during a Tsunami,while Vaiwasvatha Manu left for Ayodhya to found the Ikshvaku Dynasty.

    There is a reference that Sage Viswamitra banished his 51 sons to Dravida Desa( History of the Tamils by PT. Srinivasa Iyeangar).

    Now let us look at these two facts together to find out more about the tribes of Dravida Desa.

    One of the Tribes who took the side of Vasishta against Viswamitra when the latter tried to take away Vasishta’s Cow,Nandini , is the Kanchi .

    Kanchi, Kanchipuram finds a reference in all the Puranas, Ramayana, Mahabharata, Harivamsa of Kalidasa and Bhrthuhari’s works.

    Kanchi was called the learning center of the south like Nalanda in the North.

    Tamil Classics also speak of Kanchi,and the Sangam Literature calls it as Kanchi Mudur,Ancient Kanchi.( The Term Mudur is used only for two cities (Mudur),Madurai and Kanchi).

    These two cities are quite ancient if one goes through these references.

    A Brahmin from Kanchi founded Cambodia Vietnam Thailand

    Kanchi tribe is mentioned in the Mahabharata Thus,

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    When the sage Vasistha was attacked by king Viswamitra’s army, Vasistha’s cow, Kamadehnu, brought forth from her tail, an army of Palhavas, and from her udders, an army of Dravidas and Sakas; and from her womb, an army of Yavanas, and from her dung, an army of Savaras; and from her urine, an army of Kanchis; and from her sides, an army of Savaras. And from the froth of her mouth came out hosts of Paundras and Kiratas, Yavanas and Sinhalas, and the barbarous tribes of Khasas and Chivukas and Pulindas and Chinas and Hunas with Keralas, and numerous other Mlechchhas.

    In the ancient Indian literature, cow is a symbol of earth or land. Thus the myth mentioned above simply means that, these tribes gathered for the protection of sage Vasistha’s land against the army of king Viswamitra.(

    • Mahabharata, Book 1, Chapter 177)

    References and Citations.

    http://ancientvoice.wikidot.com/mbh:kanchis

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanchi_Kingdom#The_myth_of_origin_of_Kanchis

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    And some moments after, from her tail she brought forth an army of Palhavas, and from her udders, an army of Dravidas and Sakas; and from her womb, an army of Yavanas, and from her dung, an army of Savaras; and from her urine, an army of Kanchis; and from her sides, an army of Savaras.
    Mbh.5.161.7227 Like a frog having its abode in a well, why art thou not able to realise the might of this vast army of the assembled monarchs, invincible, looking like the very celestial host, and protected by these lords of men, as the heavenly host by the gods themselves, protected that is, by the kings of the East, the West, the South and the North, by the Kamvojas, the Sakas, the Khasas, the Salwas, the Matsyas, the Kurusof the middle country, the Mlechchhas, the Pulindas, the Dravidas, the Andhras, and the Kanchis, this host of many nations, ready for battle, and resembling the uncrossable current of the Ganga.

  • Vasishtas Fourteen Dravidian Tribes Greeks Chinese Huns

    As one researches Indian history , one finds innumerable references to Yavanas(Greeks),Sakas, Nagas,Hunas….

    While we dig deep we find these groups listed as tribes of Bharatavarsha.

    The Pashupati seal from the Indus Valley Civilization.image,jpg
    The Pashupati seal from the Indus Valley Civilization. 2600–1900 BCE

    These references are found from the Rig Veda , the earliest  text of the world and these are repeatedly mentioned in the Ramayana, Mahabharata, Eighteen Puranas, Tamil Sangam Classics, Kalidasa’s Harivamsa and in Kalhana’s Raja Tharangini, among other texts belonging to other Regional languages of India.

    I am providing a sample list and a link to my article on the Vedic Tribes of India.

    https://ramanisblog.in/2015/06/19/tamils-vedic-tribes-yadus-turvasas-rig-veda/

    I have found some curious facts.

    1. Sage Vasshista though listed as the Royal Priest of the Ikshvaku, the Solar Dynasty to which Lord Rama belongs to i mentioned prominently during the period of Dasaratha and Rama and briefly during the period of Ikshvaku when he founded the Dynasty’ Vashista does not find a detailed mention from the period of Ikshvaku and Dasaratha.

    The reference to Vashista along with Ikshvaku is found in the Bhagavatha Purana where it is mentioned that Ikshvaku left the Dravida Desa, South of Vindhya mountains for Ayodhya from where he founded his dynasty.

    He left for Ayodhya because of a Tsunami referred to in detail by the Puranas and Tamil classics.

    The great Flood is mentioned in all ancient texts both religious and non religious.

    Other than these  references  Vashista is missing in the texts.

    Next we hear of him as having accompanied Shiva  to compose the Rig Veda in the Arctic.

    2.We find Sage Agastya moving over to South on two occasions, one at the time of Shiva Uma wedding and again to lead 71 Families out of Dwaraka when Tsunami struck after the Mahabharata War to the south of Vindhyas,

    Please check my articles on this and Agastya’s date has been validated by Star Canopus.

    3.Parashurama settled families in the south from the north.

    Manu left for the north from the South, which means that there has been a civilization before he left.

    There are references  in the Sumerian Kings List to Dasaratha, Rama and Bharatha s Kings of Sumeria.

    Sumerian texts also mention that Rama aligned with  Horus, son of Osiris.

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    Rama Atlantis War Kavatam periplus Port Window of Lemuria

    As explained in these articles, there seems to have been Four major civilizations then.

    Rama’s Empire,

    Atlantis Empire,

    Uighur Empire and

    Lemurian Empire.

    Of these Uighur was not very advanced and Lemuria which had been on the wane was trying to recoup.

    They were suppressed by the Atlantis people.

    In the Atlantis, Osiris’ son Horus entered into an alliance with Rama to defeat Seth who was trying to become independent in the Sumerian valley.’

    Ramas war against Atlantis

    So there was a civilization in south before Manu left for Ayodhya from the Dravida Desa.

    Then Viswamitra reference is found in the Ramayana and other Indian texts and also the life of Nala and Damayanti and these three ante date Rama.

    Rama’s ancestor Sibi fought against the Dravida tribes and built a temple for Vishnu  at Thiruvellarai, near SriRangam in Tamil Nadu and this temple is older than Srirangam.

    Then there is a detailed  description of the battle between Viswamitra and Vasishta when the former tried to take away the Cow Nandini from Vashista.

    The concept of taking away the Cattle is a common to both the Tamil  and Vedic Culture.

    In Virata parva of Mahabharata, Duryodhana tries to take away the cattle from Virata and the Pandavas fought against him along with Virata.

    The tribes that aligned with Vashista against Viswamitra are,

    ‘Mahabharata links the origin of Dravidas with sage Vasistha. Viswamitra, a king in the Ikshwaku clan, attacked the cow of Vasistha. Then many armies emerged for the protection of that cow and they attacked the armies of Viswamitra. Cow symbolizes land, in ancient Indian scriptures. Thus this war was fought with the tribes allied with Vasista for their own land. Other tribes that were mentioned along with the Dravidas in this incident were Sakas, Yavanas, Savaras, Kanchis, Paundras and Kiratas, Yavanas and Sinhalas, and the barbarous tribes of Khasas, Chivukas, Pulindas, Chinas and Hunas with Keralas, and numerous other Mlechchhas. (1,177)…

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    The Indus Valley civilisation (2,600-1,900 BCE) located both in Pakistan and India is often identified as having been Dravidian. Cultural and linguistic similarities have been cited by researchers Henry Heras, Kamil Zvelebil, Asko Parpola and Iravatham Mahadevan as being strong evidence for a proto-Dravidian origin of the ancient Indus Valley civilisation.[The discovery in Tamil Nadu of a late Neolithic (early 2nd millennium BCE, i.e. post-dating Harappan decline) stone celt allegedly marked with Indus signs has been considered by some to be significant for the Dravidian identification.

    Yuri Knorozov surmised that the symbols represent a logosyllabic script and suggested, based on computer analysis, an underlying agglutinative Dravidian language as the most likely candidate for the underlying language. Knorozov’s suggestion was preceded by the work of Henry Heras, who suggested several readings of signs based on a proto-Dravidian assumption.

    Linguist Asko Parpola writes that the Indus script and Harappan language are “most likely to have belonged to the Dravidian family”.Parpola led a Finnish team in investigating the inscriptions using computer analysis. Based on a proto-Dravidian assumption, they proposed readings of many signs, some agreeing with the suggested readings of Heras and Knorozov (such as equating the “fish” sign with the Dravidian word for fish, “min”) but disagreeing on several other readings. A comprehensive description of Parpola’s work until 1994 is given in his book Deciphering the Indus Script’

    I Postulate that,

    There was a Dravida Civilization in the South before or started with Manu in the south of Vindhyas,

    The tribes of Dravidas were left behind by Manu when he left for Ayodhya,

    Sage Vasista stayed in the South,

    Later when Viswamitra banished his sons to the south, Dravida civilization was in existence during the Ramayana period,

    Dravidians were called as Dasyus because of their way of Life was different from Sanatana Dharam though they followed the Sanatana Dharma.

    These Dravidian tribes included the ancestors of Greeks, other European tribes, Chinese and Huns.

    I have written on the presence of  lord Shiva in the south much earlier to vedic period.

    I shall explore further and write on the location and dispersal and seeming acrimony with the vedic people, the reasons and Shiva’s Travels throughout the world,

    References and citations.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dravida_Kingdom#Dravida_listed_in_the_ancient_Indian_.28Bharata_Varsha.29_Kingdoms

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dravidian_people#Ancestral_components

    Manu Dravida

    Pasupathy Seal Image credit.

    By unknown Indus Valley Civilization sealmaker from Mohenjodaro archaeological site – http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00routesdata/bce_500back/indusvalley/protoshiva/protoshiva.jpg, Public Domain, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=9325528

  • Dravida Lunar Culture Founded By Ila Manu Daughter Ikshvaku Dynasty

    Though Sanatana Dharma and the Tamils have mutual respect and lived together, there are some differences.

    1. The Worship of Shiva is more pronounced among the Tamils as compared to Vedas.Shiva is not mentioned directly in the Vedas but through Sri Rudram and the name of Shiva is kept in secret in Sri Rudram.There are no special Sukthas for Shiva in the Vedas whereas Shiva was /is considered as the Prime Deity among the Tamils.

    Shiva is called the Adi Siddha, the First Siddha and is reported to have founded the Vaasi Yoga, a special Technic of Yoga.

    The term Shiva is only a representation of the Vaasi Yoga.The word Vaasi when read  in the reverse or spoken fast becomes Siva.

    Shiva’s disciples on Yoga were, among others ,Agastya,Bhoga and Patanjali.

    This is from the Tamils.

    Kumarikandam
    Kumari Kandam ,The Sunken Continent

    Sanskrit mentions that Shiva means Auspiciousness and the Patanjali’s Yoga Sutra, though remains the same in essence, is different from Vaasi Yoga.

    While Shiva’s activities are limited to His Marriage with Uma and not much is heard of Him in the North Indian Texts, Tamil has a lot of references to Shiva’s Manifestations.

    His presence in Madurai is chronicled.

    His son Subrahmanya is explained in detail and He, along with Shiva and Sage Agastya are credited to have founded the Tamil Language.

    Sage Agastya and Subrahmanya are present in  South East Asian  Cultures the form  as far as New Zealand,Australia,.

    Tamil kings were present during the marriages of

    Nala and Damayanthi, which predates Ramayana,

    Rama Sita ,

    Draupadi Swayamvara, and also at

    Yudhistra’s Rajasuya Yaga,

    Tamil kings participated in the Kurukshetra , Mahabharata War,

    Krishna and Arjuna married Pandyan princesses and had children through them,

    Balarama visited south and worshiped Subrahmanya called as Murugan in the South…

    Lord Krishna attended Tamil Poets’ Conclave,Tamil Sangam…

    And Vaivaswatha Manu , ancestor of Lord Rama was a Dravida, meditated in Madagascar before migrating to Ayodhya where his son Ikshvaku founded the Ikshvaku Dynasty to which Lord Rama belongs.

    It is the Solar Dynasty of India, Suryavansh.

    Manu left for the North because of A Tsunami

    Tamil is an ancient language of India which runs parallel to Sanskrit.

    A Million year old site found near Chennai records an advanced Tamil civilization.

    The sunken harbor of Poonpuhar, Tamil Nadu, which is spoken of in detail in the Tamil Epic Cilappadikaram,is dated 20,000 years ago..

    Such an old culture refers to Sanskrit and Sanskrit in turn refers to Tamil.

    Then there is Sage Agastya who is present both in Tamil and Sanskrit.

    So is Sage Valmiki who is considered to be a Siddha and has written poems in Tamil.

    Such an intimacy between Sanatana Dharma and Tamuls yet there are differences though they present a unified picture!

    This has been a question I have been seeking  an answer to.

    The fact that Manu was from the South, Dravida.

    • One has to remember that the landmass in those ancient days was different and it has no relevance to what we call as North or South India now

    Jambudweepa,
    Jambudweepa, landmass of the Earth as explained in the Puranas. Note the change from present Landmass

    Lord Rama refused to fight against the Lemurians while he was fighting the Atlantis people saying that Lemurians were his ancestors,

    Ravana,s ancestors Malyavan and Kubera were also from the area we now call as Lemuria

    made me check.

    Vaivaswatha Manu had a daughter as well.

    She was called Ila.

    Ila was birth a Man and a woman and he/ she could change genders.

    To the skeptics , please check transgender surgeries being performed now

    While migrating to Ayodhya, Manu seems to have left his Daughter Ila in the South with a kingdom to rule.

    Ila married Budha , son of Moon.

    And The Lunar dynasty was born in India.

    Ila, daughter of Manu with her husband Budha
    Surendrapuri Temple’s Navagraha Temples, Budha with wife Ila.

    Chandra vansh
    Chandra vansh, Lunar Dynasty. Here one may find Budha, Ila is wife of Budha ) click to enlarge

    The Ikshvaku Dynasty to which Lord Rama belongs is the Solar dynasty.

    Tamil kings especially the Cholas call themselves as belonging to Solar Dynasty.

    So, while Ikshvaku Dynasty prospered in the North as Sanatana Dharma on the banks of Ganges,Sarasvathi and Sindhu, another dynasty founded by the daughter of Manu, Ila prospered in the South, Dravida Desa.

    This dynasty seems to have survived the Tsunami by staying at a higher plane near Madagascar which was a part of Lemuria.

    Saman was the brother of Ila.

    He stayed with his sister Ila in the south.

    And also in Mu civilization.

    This accounts for both the unity and diversity between Sanatana Dharma and Tamils.

    The term Elam, Tamil land seems to have originated from Ila and the descendants of Ila were ruling Elam.

    This Elam encompassed a Landmass called Kumarikandam.

    There seems to be a controversy a s to whether Lemuria and Kumarikandam are different.

    Lemuria and Kumarikandam Verified

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    Ila (Sanskrit: इल) or Ilā (Sanskrit: इला) is an androgyne in Hindu mythology, known for their sex changes. As a man, he is known as Ila or Sudyumna and as a woman, is called Ilā. Ilā is considered the chief progenitor of the Lunar dynasty of Indian kings – also known as the Ailas (“descendants of Ilā”).

    While many versions of the tale exist, Ila is usually described as a daughter or son of Vaivasvata Manu and thus the sibling of Ikshvaku, the founder of the Solar Dynasty. In versions in which Ila is born female, she changes into a male form by divine grace soon after her birth. After mistakenly entering a sacred grove as an adult, Ila is either cursed to change his/her gender every month or cursed to become a woman. As a woman, Ilā married Budha, the god of the planet Mercury and the son of the lunar deity Chandra (Soma), and bore him a son called Pururavas, the father of the Lunar dynasty. After the birth of Pururavas, Ilā is transformed into a man again and fathered three sons.

     

    In the Vedas, Ilā is praised as Idā (Sanskrit: इडा), goddess of speech, and described as mother of Pururavas.’

    ‘

    (ஈழம் என்று அழைக்கப்பட்ட  மனுவின் மகள் குமரி > ஈழம் என்னும் தமிழ் அரச குமாரி ஆண்டு வந்த. குமரி ஆட்சிசெய்த பகுதிகளை குமரிக்கண்டம் என்று அழைக்கப்பட்டு வந்தது)

    குமரிக்கண்டத்தில் இருந்த தென் இந்தியாவின் பழங்குடிகள் பழந்தமிழர்கள் என்பது கருதுகோள். சிலப்பதிகாரம் மற்றும் மணிமேகலை ஆகிய காப்பியங்களில் குமரிக்கண்டம் பின்னர் அழிவுக்குட்பட்தாக கூறப்படுகின்றது பத்தாயிரம் ஆண்டுகளுக்கு முன்பிருந்த [கி.மு.8000] பனி யுகத்தின் போது மாக்கடலில் கடல்நீர் மட்டம் குன்றிக் குமரிக் கண்டம் முழுவதும் புறத்தே தெரியும்படி மேலாக உயர்ந்திருந்தது. தமிழர் தாயக நிலப்பரப்புகளான தமிழ்நாடு, நாகதீவு>( தமிழீழம்) ஆகியவற்றில் வசித்த  தமிழனின் பிறந்தகம். ஆதித் தமிழன் வாழ்ந்த இடம் லெமுரியாக் கண்டம்.கடற்கோள் காரணமாக  லெமுரியாக் கண்டத்தின் பல பகுதிகள் கடலில் மூழ்கின.அதில் எஞ்சிய பன்னிராயிரம் தீவுகளில் ஒன்றே,>கடலில் மூழ்கிய குமரி நிலத்தின் எச்சமே இன்றைய தமிழனின் பிறந்தகம்.மேற்கூறிய சான்றுகளின்படி தற்போதைய இலங்கை தமிழகத்தின் ஒரு பகுதியே என்பதும் அங்கு வசித்தவர்கள் தமிழை தாய்மொழியாக கொண்டவர்கள் என்பதும் தெளிவாகக் புலப்படுகிறது. தமிழ் ஈழம் தமிழினத்தின் பிறப்புரிமை ! 50 ஆயிரம் ஆண்டுக்கால இலக்கிய வரலாறு கொண்ட தமிழே உலகின் முதன் மொழி! குமரிக் கண்டமே தமிழனின் பிறந்தகம். கடலில் மூழ்கிய குமரி நிலத்தின் எச்சமே இன்றைய தமிழீழம், தமிழ்ஈழம்  என்னும் நாகதீவை ஆண்ட மனுவின் மகள் ஈழம் என்னும் தமிழ் அரசகுமாரி ஆட்சி புரிந்த பகுதி> குமரிக் கண்டம் எனப்பட்டதுசிங்களவர்கள் இலங்கைத் தீவின் வந்தேறிகள்.என்பதும் கடலில் மூழ்கிய குமரி நிலத்தின் ஒரு பகுதியே இன்றைய தமிழீழம், என்பதும் தெளிவாகக் புலப்படுகிறது.

    மனுசக்கரவர்த்திக்கு ,>சமன்,என்னும் புத்திரனும்,>ஈழம், என்னும புத்திரியும்பிறந்தார்கள். மனுசக்கரவர்த்திக்கு பின் தமிழகம் இந்த இருவராலும் ஆட்சி செய்யப்பட்டு வந்தது. 

    தென்னகத்தை மகனாகிய சமனும், அவனது சந்ததியினரும், வடபாகத்தை மகளாகிய ஈழமும் அவளது சந்ததியினரும் ஆண்டு வந்தனர். மனுவின் மகளாகியஈழம் என்பவளுக்கு> குமரி என்று வேறு பெயரும் உண்டு.குமரி என்று அழைக்கப்பட்ட இந்தமனுசக்கரவர்த்தியின் மகள் ஆட்சி புரிந்த பகுதி> குமரிக் கண்டம் எனப்பட்டது. இந்தக் குமரிக் கண்டத்திலேயே  தமிழ்நாடு ,ஈழநாடு, பாண்டி நாடு, சேர நாடு, சோழ நாடு முதலிய நாடுகள் அடங்குகின்றன. ஈழம் என்னும் அரசி அட்சி புரி;ந்த பகுதியே அவளின் பெயரால் ஈழம்நாடு என்று அழைக்கப்பட்டுக் காலக்கிரமத்தில் ஈழநாடு ஆகியது. இந்த நான்கு மண்டலங்களும் ஒரு காலத்தில் ஒரே நிலப்பரப்பாகவே இருந்தன. இடையில் ஏற்பட்ட கடல்கோள்களே ஈழநாடு என்று அழைக்கப்பட்ட ஈழ மண்டலத்தை ஏனைய மூன்று மண்டலங்களிருந்து பிரித்து விட்;டன.எனினும் ஈழமண்டலமாகிய ஈழத்தில் தமிழரே வாழ்ந்து வந்தனர். பிற்காலத்தில்தான் தமிழலரல்லாதோர் இங்கு வந்து குடியேறினர் என்பதனை நாம் மறந்து விடக் கூடாது. வரலாற்றுக்காலத்துக்கு முன்பிருந்தே தமிழர்கள் ஈழத்தில் மிகவும் முன்னேற்றம் அடைந்தவர்களாகவும் நாகரீக வளர்ச்சி பெற்றவர்களுமான ஓர் இனமாக வாழ்ந்து வந்தனர்.

    தமிழர்கள் பாரம்பரியமாக வாழ்ந்துவந்த குமரிக் கண்டத்தில் உள்ள ஒரு நகரில் கன்னியாகிய குமரி (ஈழம்) ஆட்சி புரிந்தமையால் அந்நகரம் கன்னியாகுமரி என்று அழைக்கப்பட்டது. இக்கன்னியாகுமரி என்னும் பட்டினம் குமரிகண்டத்துக்குச் சிலகாலம் தலை நகராகி விளங்கியது. பிற்காலத்தில் குமரிக்கண்டத்தின் பெரும் பகுதி கடல் கொள்ளப்பட்டது. இக்கடல் கோல்களினால் நிலப்பரப்பு மாத்திரமன்றிப் பல தமிழ் சங்க மண்டபங்கள், அவைகளில் இருந்த இலக்கண இலக்கிய நூல்கள் எல்லாம் சமுத்திரத்துள் ஆழ்ந்து விட்டது, சமன் ஆண்ட பிரதேசமும் கடலுள் அமிழ்ந்தி விட்டது.மிகுதியான நிலப்பரப்பு பாரத கண்டம் பல தேசங்களாக பிரிந்தது.

    • Some gaps in the history remain.I am researching.People may contribute with authentic Links

     

    Reference and citations.

    http://m.ilavamcam.webnode.com/%E0%AE%88%E0%AE%B4%E0%AE%B5%E0%AE%AE%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%9A%E0%AE%A4%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%A4%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%A9%E0%AE%B0%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%A9%E0%AF%8D-%E0%AE%92%E0%AE%B0%E0%AF%81-%E0%AE%95%E0%AF%81%E0%AE%B2%E0%AE%B5%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%B3%E0%AE%95%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%954/

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ila_(Hinduism)

    Budha with Ila Image credit.

    By SurendrapuriNavagraha.jpg: Arkrishnaderivative work: Redtigerxyz (talk) – SurendrapuriNavagraha.jpg, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=8306583

    https://ramanisblog.in/2014/12/26/lunar-dynasty-india-chandra-vamsa-of-mahabharata-list/

  • Manu Dravida Ancestor Precedes Daksha Dravida Sanatana Dharma

    Manu Dravida Ancestor Precedes Daksha Dravida Sanatana Dharma

    I was intrigued by the fact that the Shiva worship starts with Daksha, who is the first Human being by Brahma for each Yuga.

    And Daksha Kingdom was in the North of the Vindhyas.

    Daksha’s daughter married Shiva.Daksha with Veerabhadra.jpg “Painting on paper depicting ‘Virabhadra The red-hued deity is coiffed exactly like Śiva. This is an unusual rendering of Virabhadra. The face of the Ganga peeps out of the dreadlocks, while loose jatas fly around his head. On his forehead is a prominent tripundra. Side fangs protrude from his mouth and a bushy moustache grows on his upper lip. In his upper right hand is a damaru, in his upper left hand a flame, the lower right hand carries a sword and the lower left a buckler. The attributes in his upper hands are unusual, as they generally bear the bow and the arrow. He is dressed in a dhoti adorned by sashes on the sides and an angavastra is draped on his elbows. Among his ornaments is a long white garland. On his feet are toe-knob sandals. At his left stands the ram-headed Daksha, sporting tripundra marks on his forehead and arms dressed in dhoti and with the angavastra tied around his hips.” Image credit.”Virabhadra Daksha” by Unknown – http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/search_the_collection_database/search_object_details.aspx?objectid=3058344&partid=1&output=Places%2f!!%2fOR%2f!!%2f41361%2f!%2f41361-2-20%2f!%2fPainted+in+Thanjavur%2f!%2f%2f!!%2f%2f!!!%2f&orig=%2fresearch%2fsearch_the_collection_database%2fadvanced_search.aspx&currentPage=1&numpages=10. Licensed under Public Domain via Wikimedia Commons – https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Virabhadra_Daksha.jpg#/media/File:Virabhadra_Daksha.jpg’

    Vishnu worship seems to have been later than that of Shiva in the South, Dravida worship.

    Rama’s ancestor Satyavrata Manu migrated from the South to Ayodhya, where his son Ikshvaku founded the Ikshvaku Dynasty..

    If Daksha were to be the first Human being created then how do we account for Manu?

    Manu seems to pre date Daksha as,

    1.Daksha came later, in the beginning of the Yuga, whereas Manu is for Manvantara.

    A Manu’s lifespan is 71 Mahayugas (306,720,000 years).

    ‘Yuga  is the name of an epoch or era within a four age cycle. According to Hindu cosmology, life in the universe is created and destroyed once every 4.1 to 8.2 billion years,] which is one full day and night for Brahma. The lifetime of Brahma himself believed to be 311 trillion and 40 billion years as per Hindu cosmology.’

    Manus and Saptha Rishis are for every Manvantara..

    One of the Saptha Rishis is Agastya.

    ‘The earliest list of the Seven Rishis is given by Jaiminiya Brahmana 2.218-221: Vashista, Bharadvaja, Jamadagni, Gautama, Atri,Visvamitra, and Agastya, followed by Brihadaranyaka Upanisad 2.2.6 with a slightly different list: Gautama and Bharadvāja, Viśvāmitra and Jamadagni, Vashiṣṭha and Kaśyapa, and Atri, Brighu. The late Gopatha Brāhmana 1.2.8 has Vashiṣṭa, Viśvāmitra, Jamadagni, Gautama, Bharadvāja, Gungu, Agastya, Bhrighu and Kaśyapa..’

    We find Agastya in the South advising Rama in the battle field not to lose heart and chant Adhitya Hrudayam on Lord Surya to win the war against Ravana.

    Then we have Lord Shiva as the Father of Tamil Language.

    Of course Sanskrit is also from Shiva’s Damaru, Maheswara Sutras.(Please read m Post on this)

    We find the legends of Shiva in the north from the marriage of Sati ,daughter of Daksha with Shiva.

    Nothing more of Shiva is mentioned in these North Indian Legends.

    Manus, Hinduism.Jpg Manus

    ‘In The Immortals of Meluha, Manu is said to be a prince from south India. His family, the Pandyas having ruled the mythical land of Sangamatamil for many generations. The decadence of the Kings incurred the wrath of the gods. A great deluge submerged the entire civilization. Manu having foreseen this escaped with his followers to the higher northern lands. Manu turned into an ascetic. Eventually Manu’s prayers pacified the gods and the water abated.

    In the South Shiva worship has been in vogue much earlier as Adi Shiva, The Silent Teacher,Dakshina Murthy,First Yogi who initiated Agastya, who initiated Bhogar and Kriya Babaji.

    The we have Lord Subrahmanya called as Murugan and His worship is quite old.

    Though the Tamil Grammar, earliest of Tamil works assigns Varuna, Indra, Vishnu, Murugan(Subrahmanya), and Devi to each of the landmass , Kurinji,Marutham, Mullai, Neydhal and Palai, Shiva always remains in the background as the Chief.

    He is called as the Ancient of the Ancients.

    ‘Munnai Pazhamprutkum Munnaip Pazham Porule’

    He is also called Pirva Yaakaip Periyon’

    That is Eldest though Unborn.

    Sanskrit also calls Him as Ayonija, one who does not stay in the womb.

    We have a lot of references to the South in the Puranas and Ithihasas about Tamils.

    ‘Srimad
    Bhagavatam 11.5.38-40
    kritadishu praja rajan
    kalav icchanti sambhavam
    kalau khalu bhavishyanti
    narayana-parayanah
    kvacit kvacin maha-raja
    dravideshu ca bhurisah
    tamraparni nadi yatra
    kritamala payasvini
    kaveri ca maha-punya
    pratici ca maha-nadi
    ye pibanti jalam tasam
    manuja manujesvara
    prayo bhakta bhagavati
    vasudeve ‘malasayah
    SYNONYMS
    krita- adishu — of Satya and the
    other earlier ages; prajah — the
    inhabitants; rajan — O King; kalau —
    in Kali-yuga; icchanti — they want;
    sambhavam — birth; kalau — in Kali;
    khalu — certainly; bhavishyanti —
    there will be; narayana- parayanah —
    devotees who dedicate their lives to
    the service of Lord Narayana; kvacit
    kvacit — here and there; maha-raja —
    O great monarch; dravideshu — in
    the provinces of South India; ca —
    but; bhurisah — especially
    plentifully; tamraparni — named
    Tamraparni; nadi — the river; yatra —
    where; kritamala — Kritamala;
    payasvini — Payasvini; kaveri —
    Kaveri; ca — and; maha- punya —
    extremely pious; pratici — named
    Pratici; ca — and; maha-nadi — the
    Mahanadi; ye — those who; pibanti —
    drink; jalam — the water; tasam — of
    these; manujah — humans; manuja-
    isvara — O lord of men (Nimi);
    prayah — for the most part; bhaktah
    — devotees; bhagavati — of the
    Personality of Godhead; vasudeve —
    Lord Vasudeva; amala- asayah —
    having spotless hearts.
    TRANSLATION
    My dear King, the inhabitants of
    Satya-yuga and other ages eagerly
    desire to take birth in this age of
    Kali, since in this age there will be
    many devotees of the Supreme Lord,
    Narayana. These devotees will
    appear in various places but will be
    especially numerous in South India.
    O master of men, in the age of Kali
    those persons who drink the waters
    of the holy rivers of Dravida-desa,
    such as the Tamraparni, Krtamala,
    Payasvini, the extremely pious Kaveri
    and the Pratici Mahanadi, will
    almost all be purehearted devotees(
    of the Supreme Personality of
    Godhead, Vasudeva.(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvars)

    ..

    ाः तस्याम्
    दिशि सुदुर्गमाः |
    कपीइशः कपि मुख्यानाम् स तेषाम्
    समुदाहरत् || ४-४१-७
    7. tasyaam dishi = in that, direction
    of compass; su dur gamaaH = verily,
    impossible, to pass – highly
    impassable; ye ke cana = which of
    those few; sam ut deshaaH = well,
    intended, countries – some countries
    that need be explained; about them;
    saH kapi iishaH = he that, monkeys,
    king of – Sugreeva; teSaam kapi
    mukhyaanaam = to them, monkey,
    prominent ones; sam udaaharat =
    well, illustrated – gave a picture of.
    The king of monkeys Sugreeva gave a
    picture about some of the highly
    impassable countries available in
    southern quarter that need an
    introduction to those prominent
    monkeys bound south. [4-41-7]

    सहस्र शिरसम् विंध्यम् नाना द्रुम
    लता आयुतम् |
    नर्मदाम् च नदीम् रम्याम् महोरग
    निषेविताम् || ४-४१-८
    ततो गोदावरीम् रम्याम् कृष्णावेणीम्
    महानदीम् |
    वरदाम् च महाभागाम् महोरग
    निषेविताम् |
    मेखलान् उत्कलाम् चैव दशार्ण
    नगराणि अपि || ४-४१-९
    अब्रवंतीम् अवंतीम् च सर्वम् एव अनुपश्यत
    |
    विदर्भान् ऋष्टिकान् चैव रम्यान्
    माहिषकान् अपि || ४-४१-१०
    8. sahasra shirasam = thousands, of
    heads [crests]; naanaa druma lataa
    aayutam = numerous, trees,
    climbers, abounding in; vindhyam =
    Vindhya Range; mahaa uraga ni
    Sevitaam = great, snakes, adored by;
    ramyaam narmadaam nadiim ca =
    delightful one, Narmada, river, also;
    tataH = then; ramyaam godaavariim
    = wonderful one, River Godavari;
    mahaanadiim = River Mahaanadi;
    kR^iSNaaveNiim = River Krishnaveni,
    or Krishna; mahaa bhaagaam =
    highly, auspicious one; mahaa uraga
    niSevitaam = by great, snakes,
    adored by; varadaam ca = River
    Varada, also; mekhalaan utkalaam
    caiva = Mekhala, Utkala [in
    territories,] also thus; dashaarNa
    nagaraaNi api = Dashaarna, in cities,
    also; abravantiim avantiim ca =
    Abravanti, Avanti, also; vidarbhaan
    R^iSTikaan caiva = Vidarbha,
    Rishtika, also, thus; ramyaan
    maahiSakaan api = charming
    [kingdom,] in Maheeshaka, even;
    sarvam eva anu pashyata = all
    [everywhere,] thus, closely, see –
    search thoroughly.
    “Search the thousand crested
    Vindhya mountains abounding with
    numerous tress and climbers, then
    the delightful Narmada river
    coursing a little southerly to that
    range, which is adored by great
    snakes, along with wonderful River
    Godavari, as well as River
    Krishnaveni and Maha Nadi, and
    then the greatly auspicious River
    Varada which is an adoration to
    great snakes. And the territories of
    Mekhala, Utkala, the cities of
    Dashaarna, kingdoms of Abravanti,
    Avanti, and Vidarbha, also thus the
    charming kingdom of Maheehaka, are
    to be searched thoroughly. [4-41-10] Valmiki Ramayana Valmiki Ramayana – Kishkindha Kanda – Sarga 41

    We have references to a Tamil King Perunchotru Udiyan Cheralaathan performing Tharpana for the dead in the Mahabharata War in Chera Kingdom.

    He also provided food for both Kaurva and Pandava Armies during the Mahabharata war.

    Vedas mention the spices , Peacocks, Special sandalwood.elephants being imported from the South.

    During Draupadi Swayamvara Tamil Kings were present.

    Tamil Kingas attended Rama and Sita Marriage at Mithila.

    The vanaras were in Kishkinta pre dating Rama and were Shiva worshipers.

    Hanuman is one and is considered to be an Amsa of Shiva, some say He is an Avatar of Shiva.

    Considering all these facts and admitting these facts provided by the Vedas,Puranas,Ramayana and Mahabharata, it is quite probable that he Sanatana Dharma was in place much before what is found in the North.

    Please refer my posts on Shiva’s Marriage date. Agastya Date, Ramayana Mahabharata Dates,Ram’s ancestor Satavrata Manu being a Dravida,Thiruvannamalai Billion Year Old and many more.

    Inputs welcome.

    Citation.

    http://historum.com/asian-history/63682-rama-king-cholar-solar-dynasty-9.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manu_(Hinduism)#Lifespan

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daksha

    The references in Sanskrit on Tamil are numerous.

    I have quoted only a few.

    Tamil references on Sanana Dharma, Vedas, Ramayana and Mahabharata are much more.

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