From Where Did The Brahmins Come?

One of the most controversial topics is whether the Aryans invaded India and later settled here and if so from where did they come from?

I have already posted a blog .The Myth called Aryan Invasion’

The scientific research proves that there is no Aryan Invasion at all.

I will be adding some more points to disprove this Myth and before that there are some questions to be answered ,the questions arising out of Ramayana.

Rama and the others ; hailing from the Northerner part of India and if the Ramayana is a fact,which it is( I have posts on this under Hinduism),Lord Rama and others should have been fair-skinned,

But the description of Rama is Blue Black.

This is based on the conception of Lord Vishnu as Black in color.while Lakshmi is Golden (Hiranya varnaam(Sri Suktham), Lord Shiva of Reddish Hue,Parvati of greenish hue, as per the Purana.

But based on geographical origin and the present people living in North India Rama should have been fair-skinned.

We have two options.

1.Ramayana was a fiction.

This is incorrect as the Astronomical data provided in the Ramayana and other Purana stand the test of Science.

Ramayana is a fact.

So we are left with the other option that there have been other skinned people in India before Ramayana and there has been an a mix of various groups having different racial characteristics.

Lord Rama could have been an exception as far as color is concerned.

Others in the Ramayana were not of the same hue as Rama.

Sita was fair-skinned.

Against this Ravana was not described as dark-skinned and he is the brother of Kubera who is fair-skinned and Ravana is a Brahmin though he is described as a Dravidian!

Therefore logic forces one to conclude that there were more races in India than one homogeneous Race in India which included Sri Lanka.

Again if one refers to any of the Eighteen Purana, one would find descriptions of people both black and fair-skinned.

And not all Brahmins were fair-skinned.

For example, Aurava and you can find Brahmins of Dark hue in South India.

The Indian Society expanded outwards, not from outwards.

This is why one finds remnants of Hindu Thoughts in all the continents more specifically Egypt, central America , Australia and the Middle East.

The early Indian Society was based on disposition, Varna, Brahmanas, Kshatriya , Vaishya and Sudras.

Therefore the Brahmins did not come from any where to India and were a part of India Society.

There is a school of thought which establishes that the Dravidian were living South of the Vindhya range and later they mixed with the people from the South.

Sage Viswamitra banished his sons to the South and they intermingled with the Dravidians.

Sage Apasthamba came from this mixed race and he composed the Apasthamba Sutra of the Vedas and it is being followed by the Brahmins of South India even today.

Some more objections to Aryan Invasion of India.

1) If the ‘light skinned and mostly blonde haired and blue eyed’ Aryans had really invaded India and settled here thereafter, then why are such people with pure Caucasian features rarely found in India now? If it is because of centuries of racial intermixing, then how come one can still find some quite dark skinned people in India but not central Asian/ European type ‘white’ skinned people in India? Even the light brown skinned people found in the far north of India in places like Kashmir aren’t as fair as the ‘Aryans’ are considered to be.

2) The Aryans divided themselves into 3 classes. The fourth class was the lowly ‘Shudra’ class, explained by the European historians as the Aryan conquered Dravidians’ class. By this logic, all the high castes, esp. the Brahmins had to be white/ light brown skinned and the people belonging to the ‘Shudra’ class had to be dark brown skinned. And yet, many dark skinned Brahmins and light skinned ‘Shudras‘ can easily be found in India – both in north as well as south. And upon that, inter-caste marriages, esp. high and low caste ones, are still uncommon in almost all parts of India. Another point regarding castes is that – Valmiki, the writer of the great Indian epic ‘Ramayana’, was born a Shudra, but ultimately, by attaining the Brahminical aspect of knowledge earning, spiritual understanding and noble mannerisms, became a Brahmin. ‘Ramayana’ is the story (does not matter if it was factual or myth) of a Kshtriya (Aryan) prince of North India – Lord Rama, who at the climax of the story defeats and kills the demonic king of Sri Lanka (south of India) – Ravana. Now, even though Ravana was a Brahmin (Aryan) by caste, he is considered, in the Indian spiritual folklore, as an UnArya or a non-Aryan, on account of his demonic deeds. This all suggests that caste system, originally, was not rigid, and that, ‘Aryan’ was an open, attainable socio-spiritual status.

3) How come almost all the light brown skinned people in India (considered to be the descedants of the original Aryans) belong to the cold climate locations of India like Kashmir and Himachal and the dark brown skinned (considered to be the Dravidians themselves) belong to the warm climate locations? This suggests that skin colour in India has more do do with the climate and atmosphere of a particular region in India.

4) If the Aryans were outsiders in India, then why do their spiritual-cultural-social compilation ‘The Vedas’ do not mention any outside cities, rivers and mountains? Why do they only mention the places that are found in India, as their sacred most? Why not some place in Caucasus or Iran? Why don’t the Vedas, which contain references to many battles, contain no reference to an ‘invasion’ of the land of Indus-Saraswati (India)? How come the modern descendants of Aryans in India have no recollection of their foreign origins? How come the descendants of Shudras (so called Dasas or Dasyus or Dravidians or indigenous race of India) have no recollection of an Aryan invasion of their land and their subsequent subjugation because of a defeat at the hands of the Aryans?

5) If the Dravidians’ Indus valley civilization met its end at the hands of the invading Aryans, then how come no horse remains, broken chariots and burned buildings were discovered in and around the valley.

Source:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_did_the_aryans_get_to_India

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36 thoughts on “From Where Did The Brahmins Come?”


  1. https://polldaddy.com/js/rating/rating.jsThere already was a book by british historians for scythian origin of dravidian languages
    https://www.jstor.org/stable/592159

    And on brahmans, there were two type of people, one were nord indids, who will have large skull or horse faced, these were mostly the high lords, land lords, and law makers. The others like vishwamitra were gracile indics, thin frames. These were mostly administrators or kshatriya. REst, the indian kings were mostly scythians and dravidians also. Dravidas are not tribal people.

    Brahman was a racial classification, and not a caste. Caste based elitism came during gupta empire. There’s no mention of brahmins in vedas also. The closest which comes to it is bhranth, which means high or elevated.


  2. Ramayan is a fiction. What is there in the name of ramayan actually was some old story of indo european civilization. This is more accurate story of the nordic civilization, which was penned down in german and norse languages.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Ejazi

    There is no point of bringing 5000 year old civilization. In fact, majority of indians are scythians admixed with brachids, though, the aryan invasion people were not blue eyed blond haired people. These white genetics are due to cro magnon influence. But the aryans who came towards indus valley were asiatic alpine, and they have olive skin.



    1. https://polldaddy.com/js/rating/rating.jsFirstly tamil is not a Dravidian language it is southern india language n Dravidian is not a tamil word neither sanskrit its an english word which was firstly used by ROBERT CaADWELL.
      The sanskrit n tamil varnamala only have 3 types of word:-
      (Dravin/dravid/द्रविड):-it stands for wealth any valuable possession,a mountain,a common name kept for babies in hindu society,a common sir title found in marathi bhraman community thus they also belong to the dravida region of india.
      (Dravinam/द्रविनम):-dravinam is a sanskrit word which stands for wealth.
      For ex:- GANESH AARTI{SANSKRIT SMALL STANZA}
      ।।तमेव माता च पिता तुमेव।।
      ।।त्वमेव व विध्या च “द्रविड्म” तुमेव।।
      In this stanza dravinam word is used for praying for wealth to lord ganesha who is a symbol of wealth in hindu society.
      Thus; dravin n dravinam words do not stands for any caste or relegion
      (Dravida/द्रविदा):-dravida is a sanskrit word which means a south part of any land areas(bhu-bhag) region.
      Thus; the dravida word represent the geographical identity of south india.
      It is also believed that this concept was firstly coined by jagat guru aadishankara who was a great hindu saint n vedic philosopher{504 B.C}.
      WHEN HE WENT FOR SHASTRARTH TO MAHISHI A VILLAGE OF BIHAR TO MEET “MANDAN MISHR” A GREAT VEDIC TEACHER.
      WHERE SHANKARACHARYA WAS BEEN ASKED TO TELL HIS IDENTIFY FROM WHERE WHICH STATE OF INDIA HE HAVE COME,THEN HE REPRESENT HIMSELF AS A {DRAVIA SISHU} THE WORD DRAVIDA IS MADE UP OF 2 WORDS:-
      DRAVYA:-BIG N DIA:- MEANS N LAND SOURENDED WITH WATER BODIES FROM 3 SIDES WHICH WE CAN SE THE SOUTHERN PART OF INDIA IS SURROUNDED BY 3 OCEANS/SEAS.
      1:-INDIAN OCEAN
      2:-BAY OF BENGAL
      3:-ARABIAN SEA/SINDHU SAGAR
      THE MORDEN SCHOLARS HAVE UNDERSTAND THE WWORD DRAVIDA STANDS FOR GEOGRAPHICAL IDENTITY N SECONDLY INDIA IS THE COUNTRY WHICH WAS HAVING BIGGEST LAND AREA IN WORLD TILL MUGHALS HAVEN’T INVADED INDIA.
      EVERY ONE KNOWS OUR COUNTRY BODER LINE REACH TILL GANDHAR IN WEST INDIA.{MORDEN DAY:-AFGHANISTAN}.
      SUPPOSED A PERSON WHICH IS COMMING FROM GANDHAR REGION OF INDIA WE WILL SUPPOSE HIM AS A MAN COMMING FROM GANDHAR REGION OF INDIA.WE WILL NOT SAY THAT THE GUY IS GANDHARIAN N HIS RELEGION IS GANDHAR N HIS MOTHER TOUNGE IS GANDHARIAN.
      LIKE THE SOUTH INDIA OR DRAVIDA IS JUST A GEOGRAPHICAL IDENTITY OF SOUTH INDIA.SO THAT DOSEN’T MEAN THAT THEIR RELEGION IS DRAVIDIAN N THEIR IDENTITY WILL BE A TAMIL ONLY BECAUSE TAMIL IS NOT A SINGLE STATE COMMING IN DRAVIDA REGION.
      STATES SUCH AS:-
      ANDHRA PRADESH
      TELENGANA
      KARNATKA
      KERELA
      MAHARASHTRA
      ARE ALSO COMMING IN GEOGRAPHICAL REGION OF SOUTH INDIA.
      Now lets come to the language
      Well when any one asks me what’s the language of madras presidency {tamil nadu}.
      Then it’s definitely tamil. Tamil Is a language born from 60%Bhramhi lipi n 40%of devnagri lipi which date back according to historians 2500 years ago.
      But according to me n holy vedic sanatana dharma books tamil it is dated back to 5000 years back n the holy purans of vedic dharma claims that lord shiva is a creator of tamil language.
      The devnagri lipis time period is 1 arab 96 crore 5lakhs 114 thousand years according to Yuga’s n the chaturyugis which contains 1000 years each.
      Kaliyuga life spam is 4 lakhs 32 thousand years.
      From which 5000 years have been passed.
      {And from 1000, 451 chaturyugis have been passed away}.
      So,it means that tamil language has been created in the last stage of dwapar yuga n the stating time period of Kaliyuga.
      Many of the great vedic sanatani texts such as the great history of treta yuga ramayana also have many verses in bhramhi lipi also.
      The time period of ramayan is 9 lakhs years
      {In treta yuga}
      So that means sanskrit is the most oldest language in world n till the end of dwapar yuga n the starting time period of Kaliyuga sanskrit was the greatest of all lipis n after end of dwapar yuga tamil taken birth 5000 years ago.
      From southern part of india many people’s n historians have accepted that tamil language was firstly being used in sri lanka then from their it has spread in the southern part of india.
      But everyone need to understand that sanskrit n tamil are just a language not a culture. Cultures are being made from dharma granthas for ex:-vedas,18 darshan upnishads, history books such as ramayan n mahabharat some pure purans{history books}not crypted puranas.

      This is the original n the 1250 years old map of india which is representing the great akhand bharatvarhsa n aryavarth.
      Aryavarth means the land of honour the land of honourable n great people’s in society.
      ।।ओ३म्।।
      ।।कृपवन्तो विश्वआर्यम।।
      आर्यव्रत:-अर्थआत श्रेष्ठ एव उच्यत्म कोटी राष्ट्र।
      After a long study n re-search I have understand that the word arya is not belonging to any caste or clan this word stands for honour in society.
      From hinduism till buddhism from sanskrit till pali mai n tamil the word arya only stands for honour in a society.
      {Some Sub-titles are written to in hinglish hope anyone don’t mind that}
      Arya ka aarth kresth vyakti ya mahila hota hai is shabd ka prayog kisi samananiya jan ya nagrik ko dea jaata hai.
      For example:-ithihaas mai kai aaise mahan log huen hai society mai jinhe arya shabd ka honour mila hai aur pracheen kaal mai maae aapne putron ko arya putra keh kar sambodhit kea karti thi.
      Bhagwan ram ko bhi 9 lakh saal purav is title se sammanit kra gaya tha.
      Shri krishna ko bhi arya putra keh kar unki maa devki sambodhit karti thi,same for arjun
      Sughreev n bali ji ki mata ji bhi aapne putron ko arya ki upadhi dekar sambodhit kra karti thi.
      Ashoka the great ko bhi log arya putra keh kar sambodhit kea the.
      Kyuki arya ki upadhi paane waala mahan ev 3eeno Gudo
      Satvarajastamas
      Par niyantran rakhte hai.
      Arya (Sanskrit, also ārya; Pāli: ariya) is a term frequently used in Buddhism that can be translated as “noble”, “not ordinary”, “valuable”, “precious”,[a] “pure”,[2] etc. Arya in the sense of “noble” or “exalted” is frequently used in Buddhist texts to designate a spiritual warrior or hero.
      Translations of
      AryaEnglishnoble
      not ordinary
      preciousPaliariyaSanskritarya, āryaTibetanའཕགས་པ་
      (Wylie: phags pa;
      THL: pakpa)Glossary of Buddhism.
      Arya is a Sanskrit word that used to be used to show respect to others. This is one of the first origins of the word before it started to be given as a name. In the beginning it was frequently used as a male name, but that has been shifting over the decades and it has become a more popular girls name instead. Arya with a long final vowel ‘a’ is the feminine form of the name, and a name of the Goddess Parvati
      Language In Local Arya means noble person
      Bengali আর্যা Honored; Noble Boy/girl
      Kannada ಆರ್ಯಾ Honored; Noble Boy/girl
      Marathi आर्य Honored; Noble Boy/girl
      Gujrati આર્યા Honored; Noble Boy/girl
      Malayalam ആര്യാ Honored; Noble Boy
      Telugu ఆర్యా Honored; Noble Boy/girl
      Tamil ஆர்யா Honored; Noble Boy/girl
      Punjabi ਆਰ੍ਯਾ Honored; Noble Boy/girl


      1. Tamil and Sanatana dharma go together.Yes. Dravidian means only south. Aryan invasion is a myth.Please read my articles on Dravidian,Tamils


  3. I have read in many books of history that all the humans used to live in Africa and then they migrated to different parts of the world. Then according to it everyone should be dark skinned ?? My ancestors were from Italy and my family have both light skinned mad dark skinned. Your looks and height are also determined by the region , climate, food and many more factors at the time of your birth. I have many friends who were light skinned but now they have become little or wheatish.
    One of my friend had green eyes but now it’s dark brown. It was a shock for me, but then I find out that it’s not necessary that a person having blue or green eyes can not necessarily be permanent. It can change from blue to green, green to grey, grey to hazel.

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