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  • Sanskrit Tamil Devi’s Letters Synchronised Thirumoolar

    I had written my earlier articles that ancient Tamil and Vedic Sanskrit had fifty one letters and that these two languages arose from the Damaru of Siva, as i had written earlier is recorded to have crested these two languages as a Favor to Devi.

    Sanskrit ,Vedic

    Sounds preccede written scripts.Not aqll sounds can be captured or wriiten down.Language os from Sounds and the other way raround.Sounds express emotions and sounds are spomtaneous.Sounds also express the innermost yearnings of Beings. Spiritual feelings too are expressed though sounds.

    Siva, Siddha Thirumoolar, records in his Thirumandhiram a Philosophical and Tantric treatise in Tamil,had created The Fifty one letters of Sanskrit and Tamil to synchronise with the Aksharas of Devi.

    The term’ Akshara’ in Sanskrit means Not Limited, conveying the fact that sounds are not limited and depend on one’s level of Spiritual enlightenment.

    It is worth noting that Special Aksharas are embedded in Soundaryalahari by Sri Shankaracharya.

    Sometimes , sounds are not expressed explicitly in a language but is embedded in it.

    Shall be writing on this.

    This is the reason certain words are not recommended for usage as they would bring in spiritual downfall and difficulties in daily life.

    https://youtu.be/kuKczDaTLi0

    Goddess of Wisdom , Saraswati.
    Ram, the Akshara that Contains Pranava OM
    Siva with Sakthi
    Foreign Scholars on Tamil

    ‘ஆகின்ற சக்கரத் துள்ளே எழுத்துஐந்தும் பாகொன்றி நின்ற பதங்களில் வார்த்திக்கும் ஆகின்ற ஐம்பத்து ஓரெழுத்து உள்நிற்கப் யாகொன்றி நிற்கும் பராபரன் தானே 945
    ‘

    பண்டிதர் ஆவார் பதினெட்டு பாடையும்
    கண்டவர் கூறும் கருத்தறிவார் என்க
    பண்டிதர் தங்கள் பதினெட்டு பாடையும்
    அண்ட முதலான் அறம் சொன்னவாறே-திருமூலர்
    இந்தியாவின் பண்டைய பதினெட்டு மொழிகளும் சிவபெருமான் சொல்லிய அறம் விதிகளுக்கு உட்பட்டு உள்ளது என்று சித்தர் திருமூலர் சொல்லி உள்ளார்.
    ஆதி தமிழ் எழுத்து உயிர் எழுத்து 15 + மெய் எழுத்து 35 + 1 ஓம் பிரணவம்=51 எழுத்து வடிவம் கொண்டு இருந்தது என்று சித்தர் திருமூலர் சொல்லி உள்ளார்.இந்த ஆதி எழுத்துகள் பற்றி பல இடங்களில் சித்தர் திருமூலர் மீண்டும் மீண்டும் திருமந்திரத்தில் சொல்லி உள்ளார். இந்த ஆதி எழுத்துகளில் இருந்து தான் வேதங்கள் ஆகமங்கள் எல்லாம் தென்னிந்தியாவில் தோன்றின என்று சொல்லி அதனால் தென்னிந்தியா உலகில் சுத்தமான இடம் என்றும் சித்தர் திருமூலர் சொல்லி உள்ளார்.

    ஓதும் எழுத்தோடு உயிர்க் கலை மூவைந்தும்
    ஆதி எழுத்தவை ஐம்பதோடு ஒன்று என்பர்
    சோதி எழுத்தினில் ஐயிரு மூன்று உள
    நாத எழுத்திட்டு நாடிக் கொள்ளீரே- திருமூலர்

    ஐம்பது எழுத்தே அனைத்து வேதங்களும்
    ஐம்பது எழுத்தே அனைத்து ஆகமங்களும்
    ஐம்பது எழுத்தேயும் ஆவது அறிந்த பின்
    ஐம்பது எழுத்தும் போய் அஞ்செழுத்தாமே-திருமூலர்

    ஈறான கன்னி குமரியே காவிரி
    வேறாம் நவ தீர்த்தம் மிக்குள்ள வெற்பு ஏழுள்
    பேறான வேத ஆகமமே பிறத்தலால்
    மாறாத தென் திசை வையகம் சுத்தமே-திருமூலர்

    இந்த தமிழ் ஆதி எழுத்துகள் பற்றிய குறிப்புகள் ஐம்பத்தோறு அட்சரங்கள் என்று அழுகணி சித்தர்,அகப்பேய் சித்தர்,கொங்கண சித்தர்,போகர்,சிவவாக்கியர்,பட்டினத்து சித்தர் போன்ற எல்லா சித்தர் பாட்டுகளில் உள்ளன. அருணகிரி நாதர் திருப்புகழில் தமிழில் ஐம்பத்தோறு அட்சரங்கள் என்று சொல்லப்பட்டு உள்ளது.பரஞ்சோதி முனிவர் எழுதிய திருவிளையாடல் புராணம் தமிழ் எழுத்துகள் 51 என சொல்லி உள்ளது…
    That Tamizh had 31 letters was noted by Thiruvilayaadal Puranam,Siddhas Azhuguni,Agappey,Konganar,Siva vaakiyar,Pattinathaar and Arunagirinaathar.

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    It may be noted that the first portion of the SoundaryaLahari( was given by Lord Ganesha and the balance was composed by Adi Shankaracharya.

    Lalitha Sahasranama contains these Aksharas, Alphabets in them.

    Devi is described as ‘Mathruka Varna Roopini’ Lalitha Sahasranama.

    Mantrathmika-Lalitha Sahasranama.

    Tantra Roopa Manon mayee-Lalitha Sahsranama

    Sarva Mantrathmike, Sarva Yantrathmike0Shyamala Dandakam by Kalidasa.Lalita is also known as Matrika Devi, the Goddess of the Letters of the Alphabet. In Sanskrit there are 36 consonants and 15 vowels. In some arrangements of Her yantra these letters are to be found inscribed in the various triangles and petals of Shri Yantra. The combination of the 15 Vowels (the 15 Nityas) and the consonants (the 36 Tattvas) produces all sound, all mantra, all vibration, all word, and all music.

    There are 8 letter groups in the Sanskrit alphabet. These 8 groups are personified as the 8 Little Mothers, worshipped all over India. The 9th group is Lalita Herself. She is beyond language and description. It is little realised ‘that gods and goddesses do not have names, but instead are described. “She who Plays” (Lalita) is not the name of the red goddess, but merely one of Her characteristics. She is beyond Name and Form.

    In the first 12 verses (shlokas) of the Vamakeshvara Tantra is given a hymn to the Goddess as the Mother of the Letters:

    1. I bow to the Goddess made of mantra, who consists of the (51) Ganeshas, the (9) Planets, the (27) Lunar Constellations, the (6) Yoginis, the (12) Signs of the Zodiac, and the (51) Matrika-Seats.

    2. I bow to the great Matrika Devi, the Supreme Lady, who in Time is both a fraction of a second and the end of the Universe, the Destroyer and the Creatrix of Time.

    3. Who is the whole perfect measure of the letters of the alphabet, worshipped by the Sun, Garuda, the Moon, the God of Love, by Lord Shankar, the God of Fire, and by Vishnu.

    4. I worship the Devi of all Devis, the great Shri Siddha Matrika, whose letters of the alphabet, like moonlight, adorn the three worlds.

    5. Who is the great thread of the letters of the alphabet, from which is woven the three worlds, who extends from the top of the head to the base of the spine. I worship you, 0 Siddha Matrika.

    6. Who is made up of the 11 adharas (in the body), the universe-seed, the source of the primordial triangle. From the top of the head to the base of the spine you are the Origin of the World.

    7. Who is the aggregate of the 8 letter-groups A-Ka-Ca-Ta-Ta-Pa-Ya-Sa, the primordial Source and Many Rayed Dweller in the centre of the heart.

    8. Unfolder of the letter I, essence of essences, Most Ultimate One, I bow to you Great Devi, form of the Utmost Bliss.

    9. The primordial One, of whom other gods and goddesses have no inkling. Who knows what and from where She creates? O Producer of Form and Formlessness!

    10. I worship You, the imperishable letter-form from A to Ksha, O Devi, Supremely Auspicious Being. You are the Expansion Mirror, the Maya of the 36 Tattvas.

    11. The aggregate of the eight groups of letters, in whom the eight Little Mothers reside, I worship You, Great Lady of the eight siddhis which originate from the eight letter groups.

    12. Dwelling at the Auspicious Sacred Seats (Pithas) of Kamarupa, Purnagiri and Jalandhara, I bow to You Great Shree Tripura, the fourfold abode of the Elements.

    Syllables of Vidya.

    Vidya is feminine of mantra. Lalita has various forms of mantra, the most popular seeming to be the vidya of 15 syllables which runs Ka E I La Hrim, Ha Sa Ka Ha La Hrim, Sa Ka La Hrim. This is a mantra with three sections which correspond to Moon, Sun and Fire. There is said to be a secret 16th syllable which is the Goddess Herself. This vidya is called Kadi (Ka etc.) because of its initial letter. The Kadi doctrine deals with involution of the yantra, the Hadi vidya with evolution. These 15 syllables correspond to the 15 Kalas of the Moon.

    If you refer to the pages on Shri Puja and the Bhavana Upanishad as well as the Shri Yantra figure above and the page on the Nine Mandalas of the Shri Yantra, this text becomes much easier to follow..

    Devi’s 51 Alphabets 15 Syllables Details in Hindi Telugu

  • Europeans European Languages from India Sanskrit?

    I have written on human migration in the distant past from from India,then called Bharatavarsha.

    This is due to,

    1. The earliest DNA has been traced to Madurai, probably not the present Madurai in Tamil Nadu, but Thenmadurai which was located in Lemuria/Kumarikandam/MU.

    2. Out of Africa theory is now being discarded.

    3.When one studies the history of Europe one finds that a group has been living in areas what we now call Europe had been invaded/ joined by people from the East,Asia.

    The approximate time of this migrationabout 5000 years ago, fits in with the Third Great Flood in Asia recorded in Puranas and Ancient Tamil Classics.

    4. What of the people living already in these areas before these immigrants moved in?

    To understand this one has to remember that the landmass then was different from what it is today and Pangea and other super Continents have a clue.

    Please read my articles on Rodina, Pangea.

    Apart from checking these continents it is worthwhile researching the languages (present) of the people living in Europe.

    When one delves deep into the ancestors and the languages spoken by them leads to Franks,Huns,Gauls,Vikings and Celts.

    It is accepted that all the languages had their link to Celt.

    France had the influence of Franks , a Germanic tribe and I had written earlier that Huns who preceded Franks were from Bharatavarsha.

    Anglo Saxon came much later.

    In all, the present Languages of Europe go back to Celt.

    This leads to prehistoric period.

    The time assigned to this around 1900 BC, about 5000 years ago.

    This date can be pushed back based on the findings at Carnac in France and other sites in Europe.

    And Celt is traced back to PIE, Pan Indo Euripean Languages.

    ( This is different from Indo Eurooean Languages.

    This, in my opinion,is to ensure that Sanskrit does not ebter the picture.)

    Celt is assigned to PIE and an ancestry of Latin is postulated while some include Sanskrit with Latin as the language the later Euripean languages sprung from.

    One if he is desirous of finding facts must note that Humans had been living in Bharatavarsha during these ancient times and Vedic Sanskrit heads the Indo European Language group.

    Now as the time assigned to the Rig Veda is 5000 years ago and the migration from Asia to Europe had taken place at this time, it is safe to postulate that Sanskrit is the language from which the present European languages have sprung from.

    If one were to take Latin as the language from which the present European have come from one must find the origin of the people who had been speaking Latin.

    And it is back to Bharatavarsha.

    And one may remember Vedic Sanskrit is different from the Sanskrit which came later.

    I surmise that it is later Sanskrit from which these European languages assign thenselves to.

    This is du references found in the Vedas abiut the peoples who were not fron the Karmabhoomi of Bharatavarsha but from Bhigabhoomi of Milechas.

    That is from area not of Bharatavarsha.

    And one may note that Sanskrit Brahmi was earlier to Vedic Sanskrit and was the language of the less qualified abd they were treated as Barbarians by the Vedic people.

    To conclude,

    the present English,French,German,Romanian,Bulgarian and other languages trace their origins to Sanskrit and people from Bharatavarsha.

    References and citations.

    ‘ Franks (Latin: Franci or gens Francorum) were a collection of Germanic peoples that originated in the lands between the Lower and Middle Rhine in the 3rd century AD and eventually formed a large empire dominating much of western and central Europe during the Middle Ages. The Frankish Empire ultimately led to the birth of modern France and Germany and thus the Franks are seen as the forebears of the French and German peoples (in addition to Austrians, the Dutch, Luxembourgers and some other European nations

    …….

    Proto-Indo-European (PIE)[1] is the linguistic reconstruction of the common ancestor of the Indo-European languages, the most widely spoken language family in the world. Far more work has gone into reconstructing PIE than any other proto-language, and it is by far the best understood of all proto-languages of its age. The vast majority of linguistic work during the 19th century was devoted to the reconstruction of PIE or its daughter proto-languages (e.g. Proto-Germanic), and most of the modern techniques of linguistic reconstruction such as the comparative method were developed as a result. These methods supply all of the knowledge concerning PIE since there is no written record of the language.

    PIE is estimated to have been spoken as a single language from 4,500 B.C.E. to 2,500 B.C.E.[2] during the Neolithic Age, though estimates vary by more than a thousand years. According to the prevailing Kurgan hypothesis, the original homeland of the Proto-Indo-Europeans may have been in the Pontic–Caspian steppe of Eastern Europe. The linguistic reconstruction of PIE has also provided insight into the cultureand religion of its speakers.[3] As Proto-Indo-Europeans became isolated from each other through the Indo-European migrations, the dialects of PIE spoken by the various groups diverged by undergoing certain sound laws and shifts in morphology to transform into the known ancient and modern Indo-European languages.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_language

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franks

  • Hanuman Sanskrit Grammarian Sanskrit Grammarians List

    Hanuman,the ardent devotee of Lord Ramachadra was not only powerful,wise ,he was also a scholar of Sanskrit.

    His skill in debates are reported to be exemplary.

    His presentation of facts and information to people to address the issue worrying them.

    So much so ,Kamba Ramayana,the Tamil Epic narrates an incident thus.

    Hanuman with five faces.image
    Panchamuka Hanuman

    After seeing Sita in Lanka ,Hanuman returned to Rama and he addressed Rama stating,

    ‘கண்டேன் சீதையை ‘

    Seen Sita.

    These were the words.

    In Tamil this is not correct grammatically as the verb starts the sentence.

    But had Hanuman started in Tamil according to grammar or in the normal fashion of speaking,he should have said,

    நான் சீதையை கண்டேன்
    But in this form, there would have been an element of suspense/anxiety for Rama as one can also say

    I have not seen Sita.

    So Hanuman did not begin either with first person(Hanuman) or the the third person (Sita)!

    So great was his reading of human mind.

    Apart from these, Hanuman is regarded as the Tenth Grammarian of Sanskrit.

    Hanuman wonders as to which language he should use when he met Sita in Lanka.

    He was worried that Sita might mistake him to be Ravana in disguise if  he ( Hanuman ) spoke in Sanskrit for Ravana was a Sanskrit scholar.

    ‘Yadi vacam pradasyamidvijatiriva Samskrutham

    Ravanam manyamana maam Sita Bhita Bhavishyati

    Vanarasya viseshena katham syaad abhibhaashanam

    Avasyam eva vaktavyam maushamvakyam arthavath

    -Ramayana V .20.19

    Shall write on Manusha Bhasha later.

    Hanuman is considered to be the Tenth Grammarian of Sanskrit.

    List of Sanskrit Grammarians.

    Bhartruhari

    Katyayana

    Panini

    Patanjali

    Pingala

    Sakatayana

    Saunaka

    Vararuchi

    Yaska

  • World Language Families From Indian Languages Evidence

    I received a comment on my article ‘All Indian Languages are over 5000 years old’ thus.

    ‘This Venkat Ramanan guy would be laughed at any reputed  school of linguistics in the world. The headline is very misleading… All languages of India are not 5000 years old. There are only 4 major language families of India. Indo-Aryan, Dravidian, SinoTIbetan and Austro-Asiatic. Sanskrit, the mother of all the Indo-Aryan languages is indeed 5000 years old, but it is laughable to suggest that Hindi, Punjabi, Marathi, Bengali are also 5000 years old. These languages, i.e. Hindi, Punjabi etc. all started off as local dialects of Sanskrit and over the millenia morphed into the languages that you hear today. Likewise, ancient Dravidian morphed over the 4-5000 years into what we now hear as Tamil, Telugu, Kannada etc. The Austro-Asiatic languages are represented by Ho, Munda and Santali in India ( I don’t know their antiquity, but it has got to be ancient). SinoTibetan family of languages are spoken in the North East of India and yes SinoTibetan ( Ancestor of Han Chinese, Burmese etc is indeed 5K years old). If one wants to thump their chest in some exercise in petty nationalism, so be it; but it can hardly be called “Scholarship”. ‘

    1.Unraveling the misinformaton about India, is ‘petty Nationalism’ be it’

    2.I did not present more information on the article,as I thought it would become heavy and expected my readers to check the languages’ history and Sanatana Dharma,which my readers generally do.

    Now let me on the Dravidian,Proto Dravidian,Indo Iranian,Indo Asiatic,Indo Australian group of languages.

    Before proceeding further,it must be remebered that languages evolve from Dialects.

    It is generally agreed that India had Brahmi and Prakrit as Dialects initially.

    Sanskrit ,Prakrit,Tamil Brahmi,Tamil are to be taken into account.

    Prakrit was called a colloquial language,spoken by ordinary people,while Sanskrit was spoken by Scholars and was used more for Literature and Philosophy.

    There is Sanskrit Brahmi,which is considered as older and it dates back over 5000 years,and a Dialect takes much longer to evolve.

    Now Sanskrit is dated( again deliberately) to 5000 BC.

    Even this date should push Sanskrit Brahmi by at least 2000 years before Sanskrit,that means 7000 years ago!

    2.We have Tamil Brahmi as well and as Tamil is assigned, at least,a date of 3000 BC,Tamil Brahmi must be dated 5000 BC.

    3.Kannada Brahmi is found in  rock in Karnataka and it is dated a million years ago.(please read my article on this)

    Dravidian Family/Proto Dravidian Family.

    ‘the Proto-Dravidian language is not itself attested in the historical record. Its modern conception is based solely on reconstruction. It is suggested that the language was spoken in the 4th millennium BCE, and started disintegrating into various branches around 3rd millennium BCE.   (     https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Dravidian_language  )
    ‘Though some argue that the Dravidian languages may have been brought to India by migrations in the fourth or third millennium BCE

    migrations in the fourth or third millennium BCE or even earlier,the Dravidian languages cannot easily be connected to any other language, and they could well be indigenous to India.

    Epigraphically the Dravidian languages have been attested since the 2nd century BCE. Only two Dravidian languages are exclusively spoken outside India: Brahui in  Pakistan,and Dhangar,a dialect of Kurukh, in Nepal.Dravidian place names along the Arabian Sea Coast and the Dravidian grammatical influence such as clusivity in the Indo-Aryan languages, namely Marathi, Konkani, Gujarati, Marwari, and Sindhi, suggest that Dravidian languages were once spoken more widely across the Indian subcontinent. ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dravidian_languages)

    Tamil heads this group.Tamil Brahmi must have been there atleast 2000 earlier to reach its full bloom.

    Note that these Dravidian languages were spoken ‘ Dravidian languages were once spoken more widely across the Indian subcontinent’ as far away in NorthWest of India.

    Tamil Brahmi script has been found on Indus Valley civilization.

    Elamite and Akkadian languages forerunner of Sumerian trace their origins to Tamil.Please check my articles on this.

    This places Tamil around 5000 years ago and its pervasive nature throughout.

    Indo Iranian Family.

    ‘The Indo-Iranian languages derive from a reconstructed common proto-language, called Proto-Indo-Iranian.

    The oldest attested Indo-Iranian languages are Vedic Sanskrit (ancient Indo-Aryan), Older and Younger Avestan and Old Persian (ancient Iranian languages). A few words from another Indo-Aryan language (see Indo-Aryan superstrate in Mitanni) are attested in documents from the ancient Mitanni kingdom in northern Mesopotamia and Syria and the Hittite kingdom in Anatolia.’

    Look at the spread of Sanskrit ,to Mesopotamia and Anatolia!

    ‘The Indo-European languages are a language family of several hundred related languages and dialects. There are about 445 living Indo-European languages, according to the estimate by Ethnologue, with over two-thirds (313) of them belonging to the Indo-Iranian branch.

    Indo-European Family traces its history to Indo Iranian and Indo Iranian to Vedic Sanskrit!

    Afroasiatic languages have their origins in Akkadian,Elamite and they are traced back to Tamil/Sanskrit.

    ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afroasiatic_languages  )

    Cameroonians speak Tamil even today.

    Indo Semitic Group.

    The Indo-Semitic hypothesis maintains that a genetic relationship exists between Indo-European and Semitic — that is, that the Indo-European and Semitic language families descend from a prehistoric language ancestral to them both. This theory has never been widely accepted by contemporary linguists in modern times, although historically it has had a number of supporting advocates and arguments, particularly in the 19th and 20th centuries.

    ‘According to Carleton T. Hodge (1998:318), a leading specialist of Afroasiatic, “The positing of a genetic connection between Indo-European and Semitic goes back at least as far as Richard Lepsius (1836)”.


    The arguments presented for a relationship between Indo-European and Semitic in the 19th century were commonly rejected by Indo-Europeanists, including W.D. Whitney (1875) and August Schleicher.

    The culmination of this first phase in Indo-Semitic studies was Hermann Möller’s comparative dictionary of Indo-European and Semitic, first published in Danish in 1909 (but usually cited in its German edition of 1911).

    Sino Tibetan,Indo Australian languages go back to Sanskrit/Tamil..

    So, it is not ‘Petty Nationalism’ but a statement of facts when I write on India,its History,People and its languages

  • All Languages of India 5000 Years Old, Conservative Estimate

    All Languages of India 5000 Years Old, Conservative Estimate

    The plethora of Languages in India is mind boggling.

    22 Official languages( some estimate to be 25) and 720 Dialects( some estimate 2000) !

    ( http://translation-blog.trustedtranslations.com/india-the-country-with-more-than-2000-dialects-2011-10-18.html

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_history_of_the_Indian_subcontinent)

    The unraveling of the History of these languages is very difficult and calls for an understanding of the Cultural undercurrent running through all these languages.

    Regions may vary,languages and dialects may vary,but the ethos of Sanatana Dharma straddles them like a colossus,albeit with slight modifications as in Tamil,though the core remains the same.

    Looking through the prism of Foreign Culture,would obfuscate the study for to classify and assign them dates without taking Sanatana Dharma into account ,will result in arriving at incorrect conclusions.

    There,again, we have the myth,now debunked Theory of Aryan Invasion.

    This helped the Invaders to divide the country and enaled them to rule India.

    So, a grand design was worked out.

    Take Indian languages,without taking Sanatana Dharma into account,underlying cultural unity among these languages,refer and link these languages to countries,which are now independent of India,like Afghanistan,Iran,Iraq,forgetting the the fact that Bharatavarsha extended throughout the globe,some 5000 years ago.

    (Please read my articles on the spread and Sanatana Dharma, under ‘Hinduism’ or google the country plus Sanatana Dharma +ramanan 50.)

    So for the common man the message was that,

    There are two major Languages,Sanskrit and Tamil,

    The other languages were derived out of either of these or a mixture of two.

    This makes the job of misinformation easier.

    One,you can divide people on the basis of Language and another,you can date individual languages as you please,meaning assign them much later dates!

    What are the facts,when one takes the parameters of Sanatana Dharma,its pervasive nature throughout the world and an independent analysis of each language in conjunction with Sanatana Dharma and the history of a language based on its history and its Dialects?

    1.There ,my research over eight years on Sanatana Dharma,its presence thorughout the world civilizations,my study of Indian languages’s History, compel me to arrive at different sets of facts on Indian languages and their dates.

    2.As records stand now, Sanskrit and Tamil seem to be oldest of the languages of India.

    3.The dates od Sanskrit and Tamil stretch far back in time and it is difficult to say which one wzs earlier,for, A million year old site Athirambakkam,near Chennai,Tamil Nadu,India had an advanced Tamil civilization znd this civilization quotes Vedas.

    And Vedas refer Tamil/Tamils.

    And recent excavations of Poompuhar,Tamil Nadu dates the city 11,000 Year ago!

    Yet the Tamil is assigned a date of around,3000 BC!

    The researches into Lemuria/Kumari Kandam, the home of Tamils indicate Kumari Kandam around 200,000 years ago!

    At worst ,you can date Tamil,at 20,000 years ago.

    4.Telugu.

    Telugu is dated around  1500 BC.

    But people forget Godavari is one of the ancient rivers of India and Godavari civilization was also a cradle of civilization.

    Telugu is mentioned in Ramayana.

    And Tamil Sangam literature refers to Telugu.

    And Tamil Sangam is dated,by the western orientalists at 3000 BC.

    So even by their reckoning Telugu should be at least 3000 years old.

    In fact,based on Indian texts,it is at least 5000 years old.

    5.Kannada is said to be 2500 years old.

    Again Tamil texts refer Kannada and Ramayana refers to the area,Kishkinda,Rama’s sister was married to Rishyashrunga from Sringeri,Karnataka.

    So Kannada can be dated at least 5000 years ago.

    9.Bengali,Marathi,Gujarati, and other languages of regions around Vindhyas and beyond also date back to at least 5000 years.

    They evolved from Prakrit,Brahmi,Sanskrit,which are dated at 5000 years ago or earlier.

    The differnces among these languages is due to the fact that they descended from Brahmi,which had 11 types.

    All the regions in India are described by Valmiki in his Ramayana and Vyasa also refers them in Mahabharata.

    And all the eighteen puranas speak of all these areas and dialects.

    So, none of the Indian Languages are younger than 5000 years.

    The plethora of Languages in India is mind-boggling.

    22 Official languages (some estimate to be 25) and 720 Dialects (some estimate 2000)!

    ([http://translation-blog.trustedtranslations.com/india-the-country-with-more-than-2000-dialects-2011-10-18.html]

    [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_history_of_the_Indian_subcontinent)]

    The unraveling of the History of these languages is very difficult and calls for an understanding of the Cultural undercurrent running through all these languages.

    Regions may vary, languages and dialects may vary, but the ethos of Sanatana Dharma straddles them like a colossus, albeit with slight modifications as in Tamil, though the core remains the same.

    Looking through the prism of Foreign Culture would obfuscate the study for to classify and assign them dates without taking Sanatana Dharma into account will result in arriving at incorrect conclusions.

    There, again, we have the myth, now debunked Theory of Aryan Invasion.

    This helped the Invaders to divide the country and enabled them to rule India.

    So, a grand design was worked out.

    Take Indian languages, without taking Sanatana Dharma into account, the underlying cultural unity among these languages, refer and link these languages to countries, which are now independent of India, like Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, forgetting the fact that Bharatavarsha extended throughout the globe, some 5000 years ago.

    (Please read my articles on the spread and Sanatana Dharma, under ‘Hinduism’ or google the country plus Sanatana Dharma +ramanan 50.)

    So for the common man, the message was that,

    There are two major Languages, Sanskrit and Tamil,

    The other languages were derived out of either of these or a mixture of two.

    This makes the job of misinformation easier.

    One, you can divide people on the basis of Language, and another, you can date individual languages as you please, meaning assign them much later dates!

    What are the facts when one takes the parameters of Sanatana Dharma, its pervasive nature throughout the world, and an independent analysis of each language in conjunction with Sanatana Dharma and the history of a language based on its history and its Dialects?

    1. There, my research over eight years on Sanatana Dharma, its presence throughout the world civilizations, my study of Indian languages’ History, compel me to arrive at different sets of facts on Indian languages and their dates.
    2. As records stand now, Sanskrit and Tamil seem to be the oldest of the languages of India.
    3. The dates of Sanskrit and Tamil stretch far back in time, and it is difficult to say which one was earlier, for, a million-year-old site Athirambakkam, near Chennai, Tamil Nadu, India had an advanced Tamil civilization and this civilization quotes Vedas.

    And Vedas refer Tamil/Tamils.

    And recent excavations of Poompuhar, Tamil Nadu, dates the city 11,000 Years ago!

    Yet Tamil is assigned a date of around 3000 BC!

    The researches into Lemuria/Kumari Kandam, the home of Tamils, indicate Kumari Kandam around 200,000 years ago!

    At worst, you can date Tamil at 20,000 years ago.

    1. Telugu.

    Telugu is dated around 1500 BC.

    But people forget Godavari is one of the ancient rivers of India, and the Godavari civilization was also a cradle of civilization.

    Telugu is mentioned in Ramayana.

    And Tamil Sangam literature refers to Telugu.

    And the Tamil Sangam is dated, by the western orientalists, at 3000 BC.

    So even by their reckoning, Telugu should be at least 3000 years old.

    In fact, based on Indian texts, it is at least 5000 years old.

    1. Kannada is said to be 2500 years old.

    Again Tamil texts refer Kannada and Ramayana refers to the area, Kishkinda, Rama’s sister was married to Rishyashrunga from Sringeri, Karnataka.

    So Kannada can be dated at least 5000 years ago.

    1. Bengali, Marathi, Gujarati, and other languages of regions around Vindhyas and beyond also date back to at least 5000 years because they evolved from Prakrit, Brahmi, Sanskrit, which are dated at 5000 years ago or earlier.

    The differences among these languages are due to the fact that they descended from Brahmi, which had 11 types.

    All the regions in India are described by Valmiki in his Ramayana, and Vyasa also refers to them in Mahabharata.

    And all the eighteen Puranas speak of all these areas and dialects.

    So, none of the Indian Languages are younger than 5000 years.

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