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  • Virochana Prahlads Son Incas Peru Founder Tamil Connection?

    The Sananatana Dharma Inca Connection seems to be vaidated by new facts .

    Incas civilization flourished  during middle ages.

    ‘The Inca Empire (Quechua: Tawantinsuyu, lit. “The Four Regions also known as the Incan Empire and the Inka Empire, was the largest empire in pre-Columbian America, and possibly the largest empire in the world in the early 16th century.[4] The administrative, political and military center of the empire was located in Cusco in modern-day Peru. The Inca civilization arose from the highlands of Peru sometime in the early 13th century. Its was conquered by the Spanish in 1572..’

    But the religious beliefs and culture seem to indicate a much earlier date.

    ‘Viracocha of South America tradition, is the great creator deity in the pre-Inca and Inca mythology in the Andes region of South America. Full name and some spelling alternatives are Wiracocha……

    Incas of Peru artifact image
    gold cup such as this may lie among the thousands of priceless items thought to make up the mythical lost Inca gold. This fabled treasure, part of an exorbitant ransom for the imprisoned Inca leader Atahualpa, was supposedly hidden in the 16th century when the Inca learned Atahualpa had already been put to death by Spanish conquistador Francisco Pizarro. Image credit. National Geographic

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inca_Empire

    Virococha ,Chief God of Incas.

    ‘

    He reminds of Indra,the Chief of Devas.

    Like Indra Viracocha wields Thunderbolt and the chief Deity among the Incas, pre-Inca Pantheon.

    According to Puranas Indra and Virochana both studied under Prajapathi.

    While Indra advocated the worship of the Atman, The Self as the goal of Life, Virochana worshiped Sarira, the Human Body.

    Hence he was not considered as a Deva in Sanatna Dharma, though his story is narrated in the Puranas and the Ramayana.

    In the Valmiki Ramayan of India, Virochana (Sanskrit: विरोचन), was the first great Asura king with supernatural powers. (Asuras were power seeking deities). The Upanishads say that Virochana and Lord Indra together were taught at the feet of Prajapati. However, contrary to what he was taught, Virochana preached the Asuras to worship the ‘sharira’ (body) instead of the ‘atman’ (absolute consciousness)…

    Scholars say today, the megaliths of South America, such as the Temple of ‘Kalasasaya’ (which houses an idol of Viracocha) in Bolivia, could not have been made without alien help.

    Investigations in Assyrian mythology prove the existence of a tradition in Assyrian history of such a king called Berosus – a distortion of Virochana and Viracocha – as it has often been reiterated ‘b’ and ‘v’ are commutable. According to Swami Vivekananda “the western nations are the children of the great hero Virochana.” (Source: Talks with Vivekananda: Publisher- Advaita Ashram, Mayavati, Himalayas, January 1939.)’

    https://ramanisblog.in/2015/06/09/indra-in-incas-peru-viracocha-ramayana-upanishad/

    Incas of Peru celebrate Makara Sankarathi The Tamil Way

    Thith’s lake is found in South America

    Bhogar, a Siddha seems to have designed a Vimana (aircraft) in South America.

    Now it may be noted that King Virocha,an Asura,,Grandson of Hiranyakasipu,son of Prahlada and father of Mahablai seems to have moved to Latin America long back or conquered the land and spread Sanatana Dharma.

    Shiva is credited with the founding of the Tamil Language and reported to have presided over the First Tamil Poets’ Conclave in Thenmadurai,which was in Lemuria.

    For more on this line of thought please check my articles on Lemuria,Shiva.

    Being devotees of Shiva and Asuras the Hiranyakasipu clan might have moved or conquered Latin America from the Dravida Desa(south).

    Only this can account for the Tamil Practices and Sanatana Dharma being practiced by the Incas.

    This fusion of Tamil and Sanatana Dharma is unique.

    The artifacts found in Peru,Paraguay resemble Ancient Indian ornaments.

    And there is this treasure of the Incas which is being hunted by the bounty hunters.

    The term Asura means one who is powerful.

    ‘Asuras are described in Indian texts as powerful superhuman demigods or demons with good or bad qualities. The good Asuras are called Adityas and are led by Varuna, while the malevolent ones are called Danavas and are led by Vritra’

    Asura is used as an adjective meaning “powerful” or “mighty”. In the Rigveda, two generous kings, as well as some priests, have been described as asuras. One hymn requests a son who is an asura. In nine hymns, Indra is described as asura. Five times, he is said to possess asurya, and once he is said to possess asuratva. Agni has total of 12 asura descriptions, Varuna has 10, Mitra has eight, and Rudra has six. Bhargava gives a count of the word usage for every Vedic deity.[citation needed] The Book 1 of Rig Veda describes Savit

    Asura is used as an adjective meaning “powerful” or “mighty”. In the Rigveda, two generous kings, as well as some priests, have been described as asuras. One hymn requests a son who is an asura. In nine hymns, Indra is described as asura. Five times, he is said to possess asurya, and once he is said to possess asuratva. Agni has total of 12 asura descriptions, Varuna has 10, Mitra has eight, and Rudra has six. Bhargava gives a count of the word usage for every Vedic deity.The Book 1 of Rig Veda describes Savitr (Vedic solar deity) as an Asura who is a “kind leader”.

    हिरण्यहस्तो असुरः सुनीथः सुमृळीकः स्ववाँ यात्वर्वाङ् ।
    अपसेधन्रक्षसो यातुधानानस्थाद्देवः प्रतिदोषं गृणानः ॥१०॥[9]

    May he, gold-handed Asura, kind leader, come hither to us with his help and favour.
    Driving off Raksasas and Yatudhanas, [he] the god is present, praised in hymns at evening.
    – Translated by Ralph Griffith[8]

    r (Vedic solar deity) as an Asura who is a “kind leader,

    हिरण्यहस्तो असुरः सुनीथः सुमृळीकः स्ववाँ यात्वर्वाङ् ।
    अपसेधन्रक्षसो यातुधानानस्थाद्देवः प्रतिदोषं गृणानः ॥१०॥[9]

    May he, gold-handed Asura, kind leader, come hither to us with his help and favour.
    Driving off Raksasas and Yatudhanas, [he] the god is present, praised in hymns at evening.
    – Translated by Ralph Griffith[8]

    (Wiki)

    The Asuras are assigned the South of Vidhya Mountains in Central India and were considered as Dravidas ,people from the South.

    Ravana is considered to be from the South,so is Mahabali who is believed to come ever year to south to see his subjects and this event is celebrated as Onam in Kerala in South India.

    Lord Rama’s ancestor was from the south.

    Vaivaswatha Manu, ancestor of Rama meditated in Madagascar.

    Please read my articles on this.

    The Hiranyakasipu dynasty ruled much before Ramayana.

    Narasimha Avatar is reported at Ahobilam in Andhra Pradesh where 12 Narasimhas are found in Ahobilam,near Kurnool/Nandyala,Andhra Pradesh.

    After Hiranyakasipu ,his son Prahlada ruled ,followed by Virochana.

    Prahlada was born near Multan, now in Pakistan.

    His son Virochana seems to have either conquered or moved to South and had a som Mahabali.

    Virochana seems to have adopted Dravidian Culture,though aligned to Sanatana Dharma differed in some issues,mainly in respect of worship of Shiva.

    Shiva worship seems to have preceded Vedic period and it is in evidence in ancient Classic Tamil Literature.

    Shiva worship had a different aspect in the south where He was considered the Prime Deity and the system of worship was unique  as Advaita advocated by Shankaracharya later.

    Shiva was worshiped as a Yogi and was considered as the First Siddha to be followed by Agastya,Bhogar and others.

    Shiva seems to have been a human being who realized Brahman through Siddha practices.

    During the Great Flood He seems to have moved towards the west of India,with His son Ganesha before reaching Arctic where the Vedas were compiled.

    Vasishta seems to have accompanied him.

    And Subrahmanya,called Karthikeya in the North and Murugan in the South moved towards Australia,establishing Sanatana Dharma.

    This could be the reason for the overwhelming presence of Shiva and Murugan worship starting from Indonesia to Australia where the Australian tribes perform Shiva’s Trinetra Dance,Third Eye Dance even today.

    However the Hiranyakasipu clan seem to have moved towards what is presently known as Latin America.

    It may be noted that the Asuras in general worshiped Shiva from Hiranyakasipu to Ravana barring a few exceptions like Prahlada.

    Shiva is credited with the founding of the Tamil Language and reported to have presided over the First Tamil Poets’ Conclave in Thenmadurai,which was in Lemuria.

    For more on this line of thought please check my articles on Lemuria,Shiva.

    Being devotees of Shiva and Asuras the Hiranyakasipu clan might have moved or conquered Latin America from the Dravida Desa(south).

    Only this can account for the Tamil Practices and Sanatana Dharma being practiced by the Incas.

    This fusion of Tamil and Sanatana Dharma is unique.

    The artifacts found in Peru,Paraguay resemble Ancient Indian ornaments.

    And there is this treasure of the Incas which is being hunted by the bounty hunters.

    This treasure seems to have been cursed;though people have been recovering a few pieces they have not recovered the treasure yet.

    Part of the artifact recovered indicate ancient Indian presence.

    Please watch Incas Treasure Hunt in Discovery Channel.

     

    The legend begins in the 16th century, when the great Inca Empire in western South America was giving way to European invaders. Atahualpa was an Inca king who, after warring with his half-brother, Huáscar, for control of the empire, was captured at his palace in Cajamarca in modern-day Peru by Spanish commander Francisco Pizarro.

    Pizarro agreed to release Atahualpa in return for a roomful of gold, but the Spaniard later reneged on the deal. He had the Inca king put to death before the last and largest part of the ransom had been delivered. Instead, the story goes, the gold was buried in a secret mountain cave. And there the legend has remained, daring others to prove it.

    The shadowy guide of those who have tried is Valverde, a Spaniard who some 50 years after Atahualpa’s death is said to have become rich after being led to the gold by his Indian bride’s family. When he died, he left written directions to its location, the so-called Derrotero de Valverde.

    The gold trail went cold until the 1850s, when English botanist Richard Spruce traveled to Ecuador in search of the cinchona tree, the seeds of which were used to produce the antimalarial drug quinine. Spruce, when he finally returned to Britain, reported that he had uncovered Valverde’s guide and a related map, made by a man named Atanasio Guzman.

    ‘Golden Vases Full of Emeralds’

    Treasure seeker Barth Blake followed up Spruce’s discovery in 1886. If his writings are to be believed, Blake was the last person to find the gold. In one letter he wrote: “There are thousands of gold and silver pieces of Inca and pre-Inca handicraft, the most beautiful goldsmith works you are not able to imagine.” He detailed life-size human figurines, birds and other animals, flowers, and cornstalks, as well as “the most incredible jewelry” and “golden vases full of emeralds.” But, Blake claimed, “I could not remove it alone, nor could thousands of men.”

    Taking only what he could carry, Blake left and never returned. Sources suggest that en route to New York, where he planned to raise funds for an expedition to recover his prize, he disappeared overboard. Some say he was pushed deliberately. Many who have since attempted to retrace his steps into the treacherous Llanganates have also paid with their lives.’

    Lost Inca Gold  National Geographic.

    On Viroacha.

    ‘

    It was believed that human beings were actually Viracocha’s second attempt at living creatures as he first created a race of giants from stone in the age of darkness. However, these giants proved unruly and it became necessary for Viracocha to punish them by sending a great flood. In the legend all these giants except two then returned to their original stone form and several could still be seen in much later times standing imposingly at sites such as Tiahuanaco (also known as Tiwanaku) and Pukará.

    AS THE SUPREME PAN-ANDEAN CREATOR GOD, OMNIPRESENT VIRACOCHA WAS MOST OFTEN REFERRED TO BY THE INCA USING DESCRIPTIONS OF HIS VARIOUS FUNCTIONS.

    Then Viracocha created men and women but this time he used clay. He also gave them such gifts as clothes, language, agriculture and the arts and then created all animals. Even more useful was Viracocha’s decision to create the sun, moon and stars and so bring light to the world. These heavenly bodies were created from islands in Lake Titicaca. Finished, and no doubt highly satisfied with his labours, Viracocha then set off to spread his civilizing knowledge around the world and for this he dressed as a beggar and assumed such names as Con Ticci Viracocha (also spelt Kon-Tiki), Atun-Viracocha and Contiti Viracocha Pachayachachic. He was assissted on his travels by two sons or brothers called Imaymana Viracocha and Tocapo Viracocha. The god was not always well received despite the knowledge he imparted, sometimes even suffering stones thrown at him. Ending up at Manta (in Ecuador), Viracocha then walked across the waters of the Pacific (in some versions he sails a raft) heading into the west but promising to return one day to the Inca and the site of his greatest works.’

    http://www.ancient.eu/Viracocha

     

     

  • VEDAS COMPLIED IN THE ARCTIC WHY HOW BY WHOM ? PART 3 Clarification

    In the previous two articles I have mentioned some facts and did not provide the relevant Links.

    The reason, as I have mentioned in the article is that providing too many Hyperlinks in an article affects the site technically.

    Many have corresponded on the authenticity of the statements I have made in these articles and requested details.

    My intention is to provide information on Indian History and the Purana, Ithihahasa and The Vedas that they are not stories or fantasies but facts and history ,aprt from conveying deep philosophical thoughts.

    However there are some objections to the concept that Arctic was the Home of The Vedas and there are scholars who dispute this, including Professor Vartak.

    I intend anaylsing them in the present series in a separate article.

    One comment on the article is reproduced below and I am providing the information with the link, though it is not a Hyperlink.

    One may copy paste it to read the full article.

    My replies are in Italics.

    Arunachala Shiva.jpg
    Shiva In Thiruvannamalai.

     

    ‘Your intention is good, your effort is commendable, your blog is very informative.

    A little muscle to the foundations of your arguments would help. Could u give references of specific verses from spiritual literature to bolster your arguments. That would help.
    For eg: Arguments like:
    The Vedas refer repeatedly to long periods of day long periods of night.

    ‘The information of the relevant texts are provided in Tilaks Book.

    Link .https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Arctic_Home_in_the_Vedas

    and more by way of objections by Shri Vartak at,

    In his support Tilak cites Rigveda 7-76-2 and 
translates it: "The Devayana path has become visible 
to me. The banner of the Dawn has appeared in the 
east." From this verse he infers that the Devayana 
started at the rise of the Dawn. This inference 
appears correct apparently, but is not true, because 
Tilak himself has told that in the Polar and Arctic 
regions the sun rises in the south. Then how is it 
that the banner of the Dawn was seen in the east? 

Tilak has taken support of Pi try ana also. He 
states that the Hindus consider Pitryana as 
unauspicious for a man to die. This tradition is easily 
and rationally explained if the Pitryana represented 
a period of continuous darkness. The funeral 
ceremonies of any one dying during the long night 
were deferred till the break of the dawn. Now the 
question arises that if there was a continuous spring 
at the Arctic region in the ancient era when Aryas 
lived there, as Tilak says, then is it possible to keep 
the dead body at home for six months?

    Link https://archive.org/stream/ScientificKnowledgeInVedas/Scientific_Knowledge_in_Vedas_djvu.txt

    They also speak of days in yet another context ,extending for 60 Nazhigais,which corresponds to our normal day.

    Southern direction is being treated as some thing beyond more like alien territory.

    When one reads the Vedic Texts,reference to Dravida desa is made as though it is a distant land, though a part of Sanatna Dharma,and it was considered as a place where a sloghly different culture was followed and was considered fit to banish people, as in the case of Viswamitra who banished his 51 sons to the Dravida Desa.

    And Vasishtas Tribes in Dravida desa indicates the southern connection.

    https://ramanisblog.in/2016/11/17/vasishtas-fourteen-dravidian-tribes-greeks-chinese-huns/

    Kanchipuram ,Tamil Nadu tribe is mentioned in Vasishta Viswamitra War.

    Please google viswamitra sons +ramanan50 to read more articles on this subject.

    They were called as Dravida

    The Shiva cult precedes Sanatana Dharma.

    https://ramanisblog.in/2015/07/05/pre-sanatana-dharma-shiva-in-south-predates-sanatana-dharma/

    You may read more articles on this by Googling Pre Sanatna Dharma Shiva.

    But the texts are clear that Shiva as a separate Entity though not in conflict with the Vedas is mentioned as the Ancient One.

    This refers to Then (south) Madurai which was devored by the sea.

    This speaks of a parallel system of philosophy in the south,though not at variance with the the Vedas.

    Lord Shiva is considered to be the founder of the Tamil language.

    Thiruvannamalalai,Tamil Nadu is 3.64 billion years old and Jwalapuram,Cuddapah,Telengana,which houses Nataraja is 74,000 years old.

    For Thiruvannamalai being 3.64 Billion year old,Jwalapuram 74,000 years old, kindly check my articles on these issues by googling the search term plus ramanan50.

    Rest assured my intention is not negative. Kudos and looking forward to read ahead.
    (I hv read Lokmanya Tilak’s Artic theory of the vedas but i am not convinced since a lot of our great scholars and noblemen in those days were under duress to kowtow to the British empire which is understandable. No fault of theirs….Those were very trying times and they did the best what they could do so that we could live in a free India).’

     

    Related.

    Vedas Complied In The Arctic Why How By Whom ? Part 1

  • Vedas Complied In The Arctic Why How By Whom ? Part 2

    Sage Agastya came to South twice.

    He came to South when Shiva asked him to go to south to balance the earth when Shiva married Uma in the Himalayas.

    This is dated around 40,00,000 thousands years ago.

    The next time he came down to south was around 5000 BC.

    The dates have been arrived at by tracking the movement of Star Canopus,called Agastya,which is visible in the southern lattidues once on 5000 years.

    Please check my articles on these.

    The fact that Shiva had to send him to an area which was far off is mentioned in the Puranas,especially the Skanda,Linga,Shiva  Purana stating that the place he had to go was Dravida.

    The tone and tenor convey a distant land, not a geographically adjacent one.

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    8.One may notice that Shiva is not mentioned directly in the Vedas as Vishnu and others are.He, however , is repeatedly mentioned in the Tamil Classics.

    He was called the ‘Ancient of the Ancients’

    The Shiva cult precedes Sanatana Dharma as is evidenced from the Earliest Tamil works like Agathiyam,written by Agastya and Tholkaapiyam by Tholkappiyar.

    Both Agastya and Tholkaapiyar were Rishis, as declared by them.

    They refer Shiva as the primary deity.

    Rama,Krishna,Vishnu are also mentioned and their period is mentioned.

    But not Shiva’s.

    He is mentioned as beyond Time.

    This indicates that Shiva cult was present  in the south even before  Shiva’s marriage with Uma in the Himalayas.

    In the Shiva cult of the early times the Vedas,though mentioned, are not assigned a date.But the texts are clear that Shiva as a separate Entity though not in conflict with the Vedas is mentioned as the Ancient One.

    9.The Avatars of Shiva are not in vogue in the north as much as in the south.

    They are called Thiruvilayadal in Tamil and they are documented.

    They are 64 in numbers.

    Please read my article on this.

    These avatars are reported to have taken place in the Tamil ,Dravida Region.

    They,at least most of them,took place in Madurai.

    This is not the present Madurai ,Tamil Nadu.

    This refers to Then (south) Madurai which was devored by  the sea.

    This was in Lemuria,and Then Madurai is mentioned along with Kapatapuram and Vanchi.

    The Shiva worship was prevalent there before Rama and Krishna worship.

    This speaks of a parallel system of philosophy in the south,though not at variance with the the Vedas.

    10.Lord Shiva is considered to be the founder of the Tamil language.

    He founded the language along with Sage who wrote the First  Tamil book on Grammar,Agathiyam.

    The Tamils conducted Poets’s Conclaves.

    There were three such Conclaves,Tamil Sangam.

    The first one was presided over by Shiva and the third one by Subrahmanya,his son,who is also considered to be a co founder of Tamil.He was called Murugan.

    The Tamil Sangam was attended by Lord Krishna.

    He participated as a special invitee.

    Please read my article on this.

    This indicates the Shiva worship, presence preceded Krishna’s.

    11.Lord Shiva got married to, in one of His avatars,to Meenakshi of Madurai.

    Shiva, in this Avatar, was called Chokkanatha,Sundareswara in Sanskrit.

    Meenakshis father Malayadwaja Pandya participated in the Mahabharata war alongside the Pandavas.

    The marriage ceremony was conducted through the Vedic rites.

    This is specifically mentioned.

    This is of importance as the marriage was not conducted the Tamil way.

    This means the Vedic custom did not take deep roots then.

    12.Rama finds references in the ancient classics of the Tamils.

    He,as in the case of Krishna,was treated as a human being,though he was worshiped later.

    This again confirms that the Vedic people were considered as from the north with a culture,though similar from the north,Aryavarth,Meaning from a ‘Blemishless place’

    13.Rama worshiped Shiva as Ramanatha at Rameswaram, Tamil Nadu after killing Ravana.

    14.Ravana was from the Dravida desa and a Brahmin.

    He married Mandodari from the north overcoming objections to the marriage of Mandodari to a Dravida.

    15.Ravana learnt the Vedas and recited them at Kailash, the Abode of Shiva .

    16.Ravana built the Shiva Temple at Koneswaram, Sri Lanka which anti dates Indian temples..

    17.Rama’s,ancestor Vaivaswatha Manu was from Dravida Desa and he migrated to Ayodhya and his son Ikshvaku founded the Ikshvaku Dyasty.

    18.Vaivaswatha Manu meditated in Madagascar.

    19.Shiva temples,which are quite ancient,are quite numerous as compared to North.

    20.While Shiva’s marriage with Uma and Shiva’s loneliness because of the loss of Sati and Shiva as an ascetic is known in the north, not much of Him is heard there as in the south,about His sons,Ganesha and Subrahmanya,which is detailed in the south

    21.Vasi yoga is the predecessor of Patanjali’s Yoga Sutra and this was revealed in the South by Shiva.

    22.The Siddhas,the Enlightened souls, from the south had  a distinct system of Shiva worship and they were aware of Vedas. Patanjali,Agastya and Valimiki were Siddhas and have wriiten philosophical treatises in Tamil.

    Valmiki mentions in his Tamil poem that he was a Vedic Brahmin.

    23.The Avatars of Vishnu,(Parashurama,Vamana,Kurma and Varaha)took place in the south.Of these,Kurma and Varaha took place just after The Vedas were compiled.

    24.The migration to north seems to have been necessitated because of Great flood in each yuga and Puranas/ ithihasas/Tamil classics assert this.

    25.Thiruvannamalalai,Tamil Nadu is 3.64 billion years old and Jwalapuram,Cuddapah,Telengana,which houses Nataraja is 74,000 years old.

    I can go on adding.

    What happened after the flood and the compilation of the Vedas will be detailed in the forthcoming article.

    Vedas Complied In The Arctic Why How By Whom ? Part 1

  • Bharatavarsha Meaning

    India is called Bharatavarsha.

    Hindus , when performing a religious rite recite  about the location from where they are are praying, their ancestry and Time.

    It is called Sankalpa, right determination.

    Genealogof Bharata.jpg
    Family Tree of Bharata. Click to enlarge the Image.

    For more on Sankalpa , read my article in the hyperlink.

    The Full Sankalpa Text.

    Aadhya Brahmanah,

    Dwdheeya Paraarthe,

    Swetha Varaha Kalpe,

    Vaivaswatha Manvantare,

    Astavikum Sathi tha me.

    Kali Yuge,

    Pradhame padhe.

    Jambooth Dweepe,

    Bharata Varshe,

    Bharata Kande,

    Merooh,

    Dakshine parsve for those south of India) Sahapthe,

    Asmin,

    Varthamane,

    Vyavahaarike,

    Prabhavaathi,

    Shasti Savastharaanam,

    Madhye …….(name of the year) nama samvathsare

    Dakshinaayane /Uttarayane(movement of the SUN to Cancer to Capricorn),

    …….(Name of the season among the six seasons), Ritau,

    …..(Name of The Month),

    …….pakshe(indicate the Waxing and Waning of the Moon)

    Punya Thithou,

    …..(mention the Day) ”Vaasara  Yukthaayaam

    …mention the Nakshatra/Star Yukthaayaam.

    Asmaakam Saha Kudumbaanaam,

    Kshema, Dhairya,, Veerya, Vijaya, Ayur, Arogya, Aiswarya Naam,Dharma ,Artha, Kama, Moksha,

    Chatur vitah pala purushaartyartham,

    ..mention Gotra(your lineage ( there will be three in number-this is called ‘Pravaram- the details are posted separaetely)

    ..mention you christened Name”…

    Here the term Bharatavarsha is mentioned.

    It denotes a geographical location.

    It is presumed to mean the present Indian Landmass.

    It is not.

    Bharatavarsha is not India

    The term Bharatavarsha is taken to mean the Country of Bharata, Indian Emperor,son of  Emperor Dushyanta.

     

    What is the meaning of Bharata?

    Bharata means cherish.

    Varsha has many meanings.

    The meaning used in this context is,

    ‘

    division of the earth as separated off by certain mountain

    ‘
    Dushyanta was the father of emperor Bharata; a verse explanatory of his name is chaunted by the gods; “The mother is only the receptacle; it is the father by whom a son is begotten. Cherish thy son, Dushyanta; treat not Śakuntalá with disrespect. Sons, who are born from the paternal loins, rescue their progenitors from the infernal regions. Thou art the parent of this boy; Śakuntalá has spoken truth.” From the expression ‘cherish,’ Bharaswa, the prince was called Bharata .( Vishnu Purana  Chapter XIX)

    So the meaning of Bharatavasha is Cherished Land of Bharata.

    References and citations.

    http://www.spokensanskrit.de/index.php?script=HK&beginning=0+&tinput=varsham+&trans=Translate&direction=SE

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/vp/vp112.htm

  • Sanatana Dharma Tamil Coexisted in Indus Valley Tamil Towns

    The relationship between Tamil and Sanatana Dharma is intriguing.

    Their relationship is one of cordiality , mutual respect and admiration for each other.

    The Tamil Kings are spoken of highly in the Vedas and Puranas.

    They were invited to the Swayamvara of. Damayanthi, who predates Lord Rama, Rama Sita marriage, Draupadi Swayamvara and Yudhistra’s Rajasuya Yaga.

    Tamil King Udiyan Cherallathan provided food for both the Pandava and Kaurava armies during the Mahabharata War.

    Sananat Dharma spread around he world
    Vedic India

    Madurai Meenakshi’s father Malayathdwaja participated in the Mahabharata war fighting along side the Pandavas.

    Lord Krishna was invited to Tamil Poets ‘Conclave at Madurai(probably the Thenmadurai, now sunk) and he participated in it.

    Krishna and Arjuna married Pandyan Princesses;Krishna had a daughter and had her married to a Pandyan Prince, while Arjuna had a son.

    Krishna’s elder brother Balarama visited south and worshiped Lord Subrahmanya.

    And of course Parashurama, who established the present Kerala.

    Sage Viswamitra’s descendant  Apasthamba wrote the Veda Sutra called Apasthama Sutra by integrating Tamil practices like Thaali, Mangalya, which is not found in the Vedas.

    Brahmins in the south of India follow Apasthamba sutra even today.

    Rama’ ancestor Vaivaswatha Manu migrated from the south to Ayodhya to found Ikshvaku Dynasty.

    Manu migrated to Ayodhya because of a Tsunami recorded in Tamil Classic, Sangam Literature.

    So there should have been no presence of any dynasty in the north if we go by this hypothesis .

    However there was a Chola king, who ruled from North, much before the great Flood.

    He was King Sibi and Cholas call themselves the descendants of Kashyapa.

    This Sibi is mentioned in Tamil Literature  and in Puranas a belonging to Suryavansh.

    He built a temple near Srirangam in Tamil Nadu for Lord Vishnu.

    It is the Thiruvellarai Pundareekakshar temple, about 20km from Srirangam

    Sibi is reported to have fought an army of Asuras here.

    Asuras mean powerful, yet evil intentioned.

    King Sibi ruled from Pakistan?

    And we have a a site of about a Million years in Chennai which belongs to advanced Tamil civilization.

    Another one is at Adhichanallur which dates back to 11000 years.

    Thee site  refer to Sanatana Dharma.

    And Sanatana Dharma refer Tamils!

    Tamil Brahmi is found in Harappa.

    Tamil Sangam period Towns,harbor names are found in Indus Valley Civilization.

    Thee names are.

    Vanji, capital of Chera Kingdom,

    Gorkai, in Afghanistan

    a Pandya harbor, Matrai(Madurai), Urai(Uraiyur capital of Cholas), Koodal kat(kodal, name for Madurai),in Pakistan,

    ‘சிந்துவெளி மற்றும் அரப்பாவில் ”கொற்கை, வஞ்சி, தொண்டி வளாகம்”
    சிந்துவெளியில் சங்கத் தமிழரின் துறைமுகங்கள், தலைநகரங்கள் மற்றும் ஊர்களின் பெயர்கள்
    பாகிஸ்தானிலுள்ள கொற்கை (Gorkai. Gorkhai), வஞ்சி (Vanji), தொண்டி(Tondi), மத்ரை (Matrai), உறை (Urai), கூடல் கட் (Kudal Garh) மற்றும் கோளி (Koli); ஆப்கானிஸ்தானிலுள்ள கொற்கை (Korkay. Gorkay). பூம்பகார் (Pumbakar) ஆகிய ஊர்ப் பெயர்கள் சங்க இலக்கியங்களில் குறிப்பிடப்பட்டுள்ள தலைநகரங்கள் மற்றும் துறைமுக நகரங்களின் பெயர்களான கொற்கை. வஞ்சி. தொண்டி. மதுரை. உறையூர். கூடல். கோழி. பூம்புகார் ஆகியவற்றை நினைவுபடுத்துகின்றன.

    Lord Rama, whose name is found in the  Sumerian King List as a King of Sumer,along with Dasaratha and Bharata, fought a war against Atlantis people to help Horus , on of Osiris,.

    ‘

    Leading Osiris’s Egyptian armies was Osiris’ eldest son Horus. After Osiris’ unfortunate ‘death’, Horus succeeded his father as king of the Libyan/Egyptian Empire. Intuitively, Horus knew what would happen when they landed in Libya. He completely distrusted his uncle. Horus persistently warned his father about Seth’s stubbornness and treachery. Osiris, believing in the goodness of the human heart, initially ignored his son’s advice. Subsequently, Osiris landed in Libya and after Seth’s abdication became Emperor’

    After the demise of Osiris, his son Horus entered into a pact with Rama Empire(Emperor Zata’ar’s eldest son, Prince Rama.) to defeat Seth, the usurper.’

    The Atlantis army met with Rama’s Army in Rishi City, now in Pakistan…..

    There were four ancient empires.

    Rama’s Empire,

    Atlantis Empire,

    Uighur Empire and

    Lemurian Empire.

    Of these Uighur was not very advanced and Lemuria which had been on the wane was trying to recoup.

    They were suppressed by the Atlantis people.

    In the Atlantis, Osiris’ son Horus entered into an alliance with Rama to defeat Seth who was trying to become independent in the Sumerian valley.

    ‘

    Rama Dropped Atom Bomb Mohenjo daro

    This means that Mohenjo Daro was a flourishing civilization before the Rama War with Atlantis people.

    Yet there was a  Chola King much before the advent of Rama.

    ‘

    The contention of Dr Parpola and the Dravidian politicians of Tamilnadu is that Tamils have descended form the IVC locations of North India. The verse by poet Kapilar in fact traces the origins of the King IrungoveL to Dwaraka. He says that he belonged to the 49th generation of the king who was born of the Sacrificial Fire conducted by the sage of the North. This king ruled Dwaraka, so says the poet. Reserving the other details of this verse for a future post, I am now concentrating on another description in that song.

    ( There is another interpretation on the interpretatiion of  the term Sacrificial fire

    Kapilar describes Dwaraka as being surrounded by walls made of copper.

    நீயே, வடபால் முனிவன் தடவினுள் தோன்றிச்,
    செம்பு புனைந்து இயற்றிய சேண்நெடும் புரிசை,
    உவரா ஈகைத், துவரை ஆண்டு,
    நாற்பத்து ஒன்பது வழிமுறை வந்த
    வேளிருள் வேளே!
    This means “O king IrungoveL! you were the 49th king in the lineage of the king, who was born of the sacrificial fire conducted by the sage and ruled Dwarka which was surrounded by long / tall walls of copper.”

    From the commentary that Dr U.Ve.Sa found out form the palm leaf manuscripts :-
    “நீ தான் வட பக்கத்து முனிவனுடைய ஓம குண்டத்தின் கண் தோன்றிச் செம்பால் புனைத்து செய்தாலொத்த சேய்மையை உடைத்தாகிய நெடிய மதிலை உடைய துவராவதி என்னும் படை வீட்டை ஆண்டு, வெறுப்பில்லாத கொடையினை உடையராய் நாற்பத்தொன்பது தலைமுறை தொன்றுபட்டு வந்த வேள்களுள் வைத்து வேளாய்உள்ளாய்!”..

     ‘This king was not in Dwaraka when Kapilar met him and sang this verse. He was ruling some part of the western ghats in present day’s Karnataka. This Vel’s kingdom was different from the Tamil lands of the 3 kings (Chera, Chola and Pandya). The next verse was on the same king sung by Kapilar in which he describes his land in the hills.
    This king’s palace was not surrounded by walls of copper. Copper walls were there in the kingdom of his ancestors in Dwaraka.Assuming that 3 kings lived per century, we can say that 1600 years have passed by the time this 49th king had come into being. The period of this king is not exactly known, but can be deciphered from Kapilar’s other connections. Kapilar was a close friend of another VeL king, Paari who was killed by the 3 Tamil kings. Kapilar took care of Parri’s orphaned daughters and approached another Vel king, IrungoveL to request him to marry the two daughters of Paari. This verse contains that request.

    https://ramanisblog.in/2016/01/28/irungovel-tamil-king-and-hoysalas-founder-the-same/

     So there seems to be a Dynasty belonging to Suryavansh in the North and it declined or swallowed by Tsunami from the Arabian Sea, this could have  either the second or the  first Great flood mentioned in the Tamil Classics.

    And we have references to Sage Agastya, settling the people from the sinking Dwaraka  in Tamil Nadu and the present Karnataka.

    Considering all this I proposed that there could have been two Tamil Empires.

    As t whether Tamils came from the Sanatana Dharma people or vice versa, it is difficult t postulate.

    I am providing an abstract from one theory on this.

    ‘

    Abstract

    Can Sankam corpus, the ancient extant Dravidian literature, be a source to identify the language of the Indus script; a collateral evidence to estimate the ethno-linguistic composition of Indus Civilization? I seek to answer this question in affirmative.

    I have located a group of place names in the Indus –Harappan geographies (modern Pakistan and adjoining regions), which I choose to call as “Korkay, Vanji, Tondi Complex.” This ‘complex’ contains perfect parallels to “Korkai-Vanji-Tondi” and many other geographical names and anthroponyms attested in Sankam Tamil texts.

    I propose that these identical name-heritage complexes of the north-western geographies and the extreme south provide reliable markers for the probable migration of Dravidians following the collapse of Indus Valley Civilization. I call in the evidence of “bone-eating camel” described in Akananooru as a testimony for the earlier presence of Dravidians in the north-western geographies (particularly Gujarat).

    And, I conclude that the Sankam corpus in part represents the ‘carried forward memories’ of a remote past, the coordinates of which can be traced back to the Indus Valley Civilization and late Harappan cultures and relevant geographies.’

    http://new.modernrationalist.com/2013/07/tamil-indus-korkayvanjitondiin-the-north-west-and-a-bone-eating-camel-in-the-cankam-text/

    My view is that there were two cultures, Tamil and Sanatana Dharma coexisting , thugh slightly different in their approach to Life.

    That these two acknowledge their differences yet respected each other i a great lesson for us.

    References and citations.

    https://tamilvaralaru.wordpress.com/2014/12/03/%E0%AE%9A%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%A8%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%A4%E0%AF%81%E0%AE%B5%E0%AF%86%E0%AE%B3%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%AF%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%B2%E0%AF%8D-%E0%AE%8A%E0%AE%B0%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%95%E0%AE%B3%E0%AF%8D-%E0%AE%A4/

    http://new.modernrationalist.com/2013/07/tamil-indus-korkayvanjitondiin-the-north-west-and-a-bone-eating-camel-in-the-cankam-text/

    https://ramanisblog.in/2016/10/27/two-tamil-empires-in-india-northwest-south-india-missing-history/