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  • Rajendra Chola Donated Siva Temple Now Santhome Church Chennai

    Rajendra Chola Donated Siva Temple Now Santhome Church Chennai

    The lengths to which Christians had gone to establish Christianity in India is mind-blowing. We are aware of Christian missionaries converting people; of fake narratives by Christian missionaries who masqueraded as people who were interested in spreading Vedas,like Maxmuller; Self styled Tamil scholars like Bishop Caldwell;People who propagate that Thirukkural, a great Tamil literary work was written by him under instruction from Saint.Thomas……..! List is endless.

    What most of us are unaware is false narratives and destruction of Hindu temples by Christians. Most think, rightly so, that Muslim invaders destroyed Hindu temples; what they do not know is Christians also indulged in destroying Hindu temples and had used the materials,like stones, from the temples to construct Churches and Basilicas.

    One such is the false narrative regarding the arrival of St.Thomas in India to establish Christianity in India.

    According to Christian leaders in India, the apostle Thomas came to India in 52 AD, founded the Syrian Christian Church, and was killed by the fanatical Brahmins in 72 AD. Near the site of his martyrdom, the St. Thomas Church was built. In fact this apostle never came to India. The Christian community in South India was founded by a merchant called Knai Thoma or Thomas of Cana in 345 AD—a name which readily explains the Thomas legend. He led four hundred refugees who fled persecution in Persia and were given asylum by the Hindu authorities.

    In Catholic universities in Europe, the myth of the apostle Thomas going to India is no longer taught as history, but in India it is still considered useful. Even many vocal “secularists” who attack the Hindus for “relying on myth” in the Ayodhya affair, off-hand profess their belief in the Thomas myth. The important point is that Thomas can be upheld as a martyr and the Brahmins decried as fanatics. He never visited India and the the entire narration is a fraud.

    Added to this is the information that the St. Thomas Church in Chennai was a Siva temple and it was destroyed by the Portuguese during the early sixteenth century.A new church was built and was named as St.Thomas Church at Santhome!

    The Siva temple dedicated to Kapaleswara. References to it are found in Thevaram, one of holy Tamil texts praising Siva.A reference is found regarding Sambhandhar, Saivite Saint having brought back to life Poompaavai.The place is referred to as Myilai,now called as Mylapore.The present Kapaleswara temple was built , (after the old Temple was destroyed by the Portuguese;where now stands Santhome Church), by Muthayappa Mudali around 1700 AD.-Census of India-1961; Temples of Madras State, 1 Chingleput District and Madras City, P.204.

    In the archeological digs in 1921 and 1923,Stone pillars and Epigraphs were found in Santhome cathedral.The finds included a Subramanya idol with His mount Peacock.Also an Epigraph states that the entire structure belongs to temple dedicated to Siva and Parvathi.More remains of the destroyed temple were found in the present Kapaleswara temple and at the Santhome Church Seminary which later was moved to Santhome High School ( the latter remains is now missing).The missing Epigraph was in Sanskrit. Here it is.

    Siva temple , Kapaleswara inscription found at Santhome Church

    Am providing images of these Epigraphs. Shocked to see that these were indexed in 1967! The department of archaeology notes in each of the Epigraphs that it belongs to 12 AD and by Rajendra Chola and yet kept quiet. What happened to history? Shameful that our own distort history.

    Santhome Church Epigraph 4
    Inscriptions found on the walls of Santhome Church, Chennai.Inscriptions by Rajendra Chola 12 Century AD.Place where each is found is mentioned in each Epigraph.Thiscseries included Tamil and Sanskrit Epigraphs.

    1923இல் தொல்பொருள் ஆய்வுத் துறையினர் சாந்தோம் கதிட்ரலில் நிகழ்த்திய அகழ்வாராய்ச்சிகளால் கல்வெட்டுகளும், தூண்களும், சிலைகளும் கண்டெடுக்கப்பட்டன. கல்வெட்டுகள் சிவன் கோயிலைக் குறிக்கின்றன. கற்றூண்களிலும் கல்வெட்டுகள் காணப்பெறுகின்றன.
    மயிலோடு கூடிய முருகர் சிலையும் கண்டெடுக்கப்பட்டது.
    1921இல் மறைத்திரு ஹோஸ்டன், சாந்தோம் கதிட்ரலில் கண்டெடுத்த வடமொழிக் கல்வெட்டு “கருவறை உட்பட எல்லாக் கட்டிடங்களும் மயிலாப்பூரிலுள்ள புகழ்பெற்ற சிவனுக்கும் பார்வதிக்கும் உரியவையாகும்” என்று குறிப்பிடுபகிறது.
    மற்றொரு தானக் கல்வெட்டில், “திருமயிலாப்பில் பூம்பாவை” என்று குறிப்பிடுப்படுவதாலும், பழைய கபாலிசுவரர் கோயில் கடற்கரையருகே இருந்திருக்க வேண்டும் .

    இந்திய மக்கள் தொகைக் கணக்கெடுப்புத்துறை வெளியிட்டசென்னை மாநிலக் கோயில்கள் (Temples of Madas State) என்னும் நூலில் காணப்படும் கருத்துக்கள் :-“கி.பி. 16ஆம் நூற்றாண்டின் தொடக்கத்தில் சாந்தோம் கடற்கரையிலிருந்த கோயில் போர்த்துக்கீசியர்களால் அழிக்கப் பட்டிருக்க வேண்டும் என்று கூறுகிறது. இந்நூல் கூறும் புதிய செய்தி,இப்போதுள்ள கபாலிசுவரர் கோயிலும் குளமும் முந்நூறு ஆண்டுகளுக்கு முன், மயிலை நாட்டு முத்தையப்ப முதலியாராலும் அவருடைய வாரிசுகளிலாலும் கட்டப்பட்டது என்பதேயாகும்.” Census of India-1961; Temples of Madras State, 1 Chingleput District and Madras City, P.204
    போர்த்துக்கீசியர்கள் இந்துக் கோயில்களை அழித்த செய்தியைக் கேள்விப்பட்டு இராமராயர் கி.பி. 1558இல், சாந்தோம் மீது படை எடுத்துப் போர்த்துக்கீசியரைப் பணிய வைத்துப் பின்னர்ப் பழுதுபட்ட கோயில்களைப் பழுதுபார்க்க ஆணையில்ட்ட செய்தியாலும் பழைய கபாலிசுவரர் கோயில் போர்த்துக்கீசியர்களால் . S.Kalyanasundaram- A Short History of Mylapore page-8) அழிக்கப் பட்டது https://thamilkalanjiyam.blogspot.com/2018/07/blog-post_18.html?m=1

  • Will Not Back Down On Conversion, Vatican Classified Document

    Reproduced here below is a report Published by The Hindu dated 22 April,2011.

    Note the Dates.

    65975: Holy See reponds to Indian criticism over conversion issue

    22 APRIL 2011 03:56 IST

    UPDATED: 22 APRIL 2011 03:56 IST

    According to Auza, the papal nunciature in New Delhi felt that the government of India was not really unhappy about the pope’s remarks, but had been compelled to make a fuss for public consumption.

    65975 5/31/2006 8:38:00 AM 06VATICAN91 Embassy Vatican CONFIDENTIAL 06NEWDELHI3548 | 06VATICAN67 | 06VATICAN86 | 06VATICAN87 | 06VATICAN91 VZCZCXRO2526RR RUEHBI RUEHCI RUEHROVDE RUEHROV #0091/01 1510838ZNY CCCCC ZZHR 310838Z MAY 06FM AMEMBASSY VATICANTO RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHDC 0346INFO RUEHNE/AMEMBASSY NEW DELHI 0010RUEHBI/AMCONSUL MUMBAI 0007RUEHCI/AMCONSUL CALCUTTA 0007RUEHCG/AMCONSUL CHENNAI 0005RUEHROV/AMEMBASSY VATICAN 0374 C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 VATICAN 000091 SIPDIS SIPDIS

    E.O. 12958: DECL: 5/26/2016 TAGS: PREL, SOCI, VT, IN SUBJECT: HOLY SEE RESPONDS TO INDIAN CRITICISM OVER CONVERSION ISSUE

    REF: (A) VATICAN 086, (B) NEW DELHI 3548 AND PREVIOUS, (C) VATICAN 087, (D) VATICAN 067

    CLASSIFIED BY: Christopher Sandrolini, Charge d’affaires, EXEC, State. REASON: 1.4 (d)

    1. (C) Summary. Holy See contacts gave further background to Embassy Vatican on the recent controversy over remarks made by the pope criticizing anti-conversion laws in India. Our contacts suggested that the pope’s remarks were neither surprising to the GOI, nor drafted in an ad hoc manner; and that the GOI’s stern reaction was primarily for public consumption. The appointment of an Indian cardinal to a prominent post in Rome, at the same time that the cardinal was speaking out on the conversion issue, was a coincidence of timing but not intentionally so. We judge that the Holy See and the Church in India and elsewhere will not back down on issues it sees as fundamental to religious freedom, and to its security and survival. End summary.

    Bold highlights by me.

    Source.

    https://www.thehindu.com/news/the-india-cables/the-cables/65975-Holy-See-reponds-to-Indian-criticism-over-conversion-issue/article14691636.ece

  • Thirukkural Christian Adi Kavya Hindu Systems From Christianity Conversion Non Sense

    Thirukkural Christian Adi Kavya Hindu Systems From Christianity Conversion Non Sense

    To tone down the seriousness of the foll article, let me narrate a declaration by a Christian Mission volunteer in Tamil Nadu.

    Dr. Jasmine Asir declares that,

    The sysyems of Indian philosophy,Saiva Siddhantha,Advaita,Visishdadvaida,all of these were derived from Ancient Christianity!

    Was there Christianity before Christ?

    And what is this ‘Adi Christianity?

    There is something more.

    She says Thiruvalluvar met Saint Thomas and wrote This is not a matter to be left unchallenged.

    Repeated lies have a tendency to be taken as History,as in the Aryan Invasion theory in particular and Indian history in general.

    There have been attempts to propagate the theory that Christ visited India and his tomb is in Kashmir.

    What else could they do? They had to close it,” Riaz told me.

    His family home almost overlooks the shrine, and he is witheringly dismissive of the notion that Jesus was buried there.

    “It’s a story spread by local shopkeepers, just because some crazy professor said it was Jesus’s tomb. They thought it would be good for business. Tourists would come, after all these years of violence.

    “And then it got into the Lonely Planet, and too many people started coming.

    “And one foreigner…” he gave me an apologetic look, “broke off a bit from the tomb to take home with him. So that’s why it’s closed now.”

    https://ramanisblog.in/2014/04/06/jesus-in-kashmir-his-tomb-attempt-at-conversion/

    And there is this process of converting Hindus to Christianity by Christians posing as Brahmins.

    https://ramanisblog.in/2013/06/12/christians-as-brahmins-new-method-of-religious-conversion/

    There is this instance of Caldwell,changing his name as Veerama munivar in Tamil to post date Tamil literature.

    He wrote a Tamil work on Christ.

    You have Maxmueller,who translated the Vedas in English as Sacred books of the East,who was a Christian Missionary .

    He delared in his letter that,

    “It (The Rigveda) is the root of their religion and to show them what the root is, I feel sure, is the only way of uprooting all that has sprung from it during the last three thousand years.”-Max Mueller to His wife,in his letter.

    https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/ramanan50.wordpress.com/2014/07/03/uproot-rig-veda-max-mueller-the-frauds-quotes/amp/

    Now to Thiruvalluvar.

    He wrote Thirukkural and he is currently dated around 2000 ago.

    I am of the view that he can be dated much earlier.

    It was authored by Valluvar, also known in full as Thiruvalluvar. The text has been dated variously from 300 BCE to 7th century CE. The traditional accounts describe it as the last work of the third Sangam, but linguistic analysis suggests a later date of 450 to 500 CE’

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tirukkuṛaḷ
    Thomas is traditionally believed to have sailed to India in AD 50 (but there is evidence of his being in Taxila in AD 43, where he did not have success) to spread the Christian faith, and is believed to have landed at the port of Muziris, (modern-day North Paravur and Kodungalloor in modern-day Kerala state) where there was a Jewish community at the time.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_the_Apostle

    Hinduism has been in existence for over 5000 Years and Rig Veda is dated at 5114 BC.

    However this is pushed back by thousands of years in the light of new evidence.

    Please check my articles onPoompuhar,Rama,Krishna,Tamils.

    It is sheer nonsense academically and is a sinister attempt distorting history to legitimise Christianity and aims at Conversion.