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  • Krishna’s Temple Dome of the Rock Krishna Greek God?

    Lord Krishna Playing the Flute.
    Lord Krishna Playing the Flute.

    I have written a number of articles on the spread of Sanatana Dharma throughout the world.

    Sri Lanka,

    Malaysia,

    Thailand,

    Laos,

    Korea,

    Indonesia,

    Cambodia,

    Vietnam,

    Japan,

    Philippines,

    New Zealand,

    Australia,

    US,

    South America,

    Central America,

    Greece,

    Romania,

    Turkey,

    Germany,

    Iran,

    Iraq,

    Afghanistan,

    Russia,

    China.

     

    You may check my posts for each of these countries.

    As I have been attempting to study the references to Sanatana Dharma through various sources, including works in other languages, I have requested Beatrix Laurens, France, (a regular reader of my posts)  to suggest French references.

    I am aware that French is the most suited langauge suited for Philosophy, apart from Sanskrit.

    I was sure that there are bound to be references.

    I was suggested a site and I have been promised more.

    As I was going through the site, I chanced upon a Link that threw up interesting information about Lord Krishna.

    I shall be writing on Rama Influence, sourced from the site mentioned by my friend a later as I have to study the material in-depth as it makes startling revelations.

    Now,

    I have been able to establish from reliable sources that.

    1.Christianity was nothing new and was sourced from elsewhere.

    2.There was Sanatana Dharma presence in the middle east.

    3.Interesting that The Jews were the descendants of the Yadavas, Lord Krishna’s Clan.

    Twenty two tribes left India after the Mahabharata War.

    Manu is Noah Yayati Yadava

    4.

    After the epic battle of Mahabharata, exodus from India began .

    Many tribes fled from India towards the North and West.

    It has come to light that one of the tribes, Ailahs fled to the middle east and the Arabs called their God as Allah, from the Sanskrit speaking tribes Ailah.

    Ailas were a part of Yadavas and Pauravas who took part in the Mahabharata battle.

    And this tribe did not stop here.

    They proceeded further west.

    And landed in Samaria.

    Samaritans

    5.Sumerian culture’s Link with Sanatana Dharma has been dealt with in detail in my earlier Posts.

    6.We have the 786 of Islam being the OM of Hinduism.

    7.There was Shiva Temple in Mecca.

    8.Also in Jordan, Petro Jordan Shiva temple.

    9.The Greeks had a fascination for Krishna and we have many legends of Krishna in Greece and there is enough evidence to suggest that the Greeks worshiped Lord Krishna.

    10.Pillars of Hercules are reported to be a Tribute to Lord Krishna.

    11.Then we have the Tamil connection to Hitti Empire, Mittani,Incas, Aztecs,Mayas.

    12.The ancestors of Celts wereBrahmins.

    I shall be writing on the similarities between Sanskrit and Irish Languages

    Additional information has come to my notice about the Temple of Solomon( I shall be writing on this later) and about  Krishna in Greece and Krishna was the God of the Greeks.

    Dome of The Rock.jpg Dome of The Rock.

    Abraham's Tomb.jpg Abraham’s Tomb.

    ‘In about 1900 BC, hundreds of thousands of native Indians emptied Northern and Central India and fled to the Middle East after Krishna’s Dwarka sank under the water.( I have reservations on the date here)

    ..*his family together and fled either to the Middle East or to what is now Iraq. Only some gigantic natural disasters, such as earthquakes and floods could have caused such an exodus. It was at this time that the Saraisvati and the Indus changed their proper beds. The Saraisvati dried up…( Possible as Krishna’s son Pradhyumans’ city is in Russia-please refer my post on this)

    The word Jerusalem is derived from Sanskrit: Yadu-Ishalayam, meaning “The Holy Rock of the Yadu Tribe.” Lord Krishna was a Yadu. The Moslems still revere this huge rock under the Dome of the Rock on Jerusalem Temple Mount.

    ..

    Until now, I have been wondering why Krishna’s name did not appear in Jerusalem after his arrival there. Yet, the name of the king of Jerusalem,Melchizedek, the mentor of Abraham, did. I once thought thatMelchizedek was the name of a certain person. I made this mistake by thinking that a prince and a son of a Kassite king, Melik-Sadaksina, was a supernaturally endowed prince, magician and spiritual giant. I thought he had accompanied Krishna, Abraham, and Sarah to the Middle East. Later on, I came to realize that the Sanskrit word Sadhaka applies to anyone who is an adept, a magician, one possessed of supernatural powers gained by worshipping a deity or by uttering magical chants……

    ‘Krishna and his family probably fled to Iraq. But I’m certain that they went to Jerusalem. The word Jerusalem is derived from Sanskrit: Yadu-Ishalayam, meaning “The Holy Rock of the Yadu Tribe.”

    Lord Krishna was a Yadu.

    The Moslems still revere this huge rock under the Dome of the Rock on Jerusalem Temple Mount.

    (The India We Have Lost,Paramesh Choudhary)

    I have additionally shown in this article that the New Testament words for Jesus all refer to Lord Krishna and his holy names. The early Christians were convinced that Melchizedek was just a prior incarnation of Jesus Christ, The remains of the Nag Hammadi manuscript entitled Melchizedekseem to confirm this. Melchizedek, king of Jerusalem and mentor of his son Abraham, was none other than ancient India’s God Krishna. The early Christians thought that Jesus was a reincarnation of Krishna, for who else had the name Yesu Kristna, Isa, Krishna, etc.?”

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    ..

    Many people don’t understand what is meant by Joshua’s remark about “the other side of the flood.” They think he was referring to the Noachide flood. He was referring to the time when God Krishna’s Dwarka and Haran province, in today’s Gujarat, sank under water in about 1900 BC. Abraham, Sarah, and their followers escaped southward, to the coastal ports of Kalyan and Sopara (Sophir or Sauvira), in Maharashthra. From there, they sailed northward to the Middle East. Sarah (Sarsvati) embarked from the port of Kalyan. At one time, Kalyan was located closer to the coast, but is now located more than 50 miles inland. Sarasvati is the patron saint of Kalyan. The patron saint of Sophir or Sauvira was Parasu Rama (possibly a name of our biblical Abraham/Brahma).

    And I took your father Abraham from the other side of the flood, and led him throughout all the land of Canaan… (Joshua 24:2-3.)

    Citation.

    http://viewzone.com/davidkoreshx.html

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  • Banned Ancient Triptych Temples Mother Religion Sanatana Dharma

    Banned Ancient Triptych Temples Mother Religion Sanatana Dharma

    There is yet no proof that Atlantis.Gondwana,Lemuria did not exist.

    Many western scholars, as Missionaries, have faked research papers to disprove their existence.

    Reason, they wanted to justify the Bible!

    How and why they went about this in a systematic manner, I have written a few articles and I shall be posting more.

    One technic is manipulation of the History as has been done to Indian History;another method is to fake interest in Non Christian Literature, then plant thoughts that had not been there, which would make people lose their faith in their texts,…

    Another method is to Post date the archeological evidence.

    But the arrival of Internet has made materials accessible  to everyone.

    Those who have an  interest and a bit of knowledge about Culture and History can check ,cross reference and draw conclusions.

    While the Christians tried and are still trying, to wipe out Hinduism, by manipulating History, Islam simply destroyed the Temples and things associated with Hinduism.

    But what about Temples where the long strong-arm of Islam did not reach?

    Fortunately for Hinduism, Sanatana Dharma has survived thanks to the Oral traditions of the Vedas and the ancient temples established throughout the world.

    Those who have an eye that catches some thing distinct can discern that the ancient architectural remains of temples, what ever be the religion they have been falsely related to,have ancient temple architecture everywhere!

    Look at the following Image, containing images of such Temples.

    Temples found in various countries display Indian Temple architecture.jpg Temples found in various countries

    Temples resembling Hindu Temples across the world.jpg Temples resembling Hindu Temples across the world.

    For good measure throw a fancy name, Tripych( Three Doors) Temples,has been assigned to these similarities and they have been  cited as belonging to a Mother Civilization,Atlantis!

    These types of temples have their origin in India and any one can see them today in India.

    And Cambodia, Vietnam, Bali, Philippines,Indonesia,Thailand,US, Mexico,Honduras,Burma, Sri Lanka, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia,Italy…

    Shiva temples in Mecca, Petra Jordan,Colarado..

    Please read my articles on each of these.

    I have also traced the origins of Gondwana and Atlantis… and that is

    Sanatana Dharma!

    ‘

    The abundant occurrence of the Triptych across the ancient world is not a random coincidence. The Triptych represents more than merely an architectural element; the Triptych is the chief symbol of an advanced Universal Religion that was once shared globally in Antiquity, mainly by the pyramid cultures. The discovery of the Triptych provides, for the first time, conclusive evidence that ancient cultures worldwide shared the same spiritual beliefs. It also indicates that these cultures did not evolve independently, but were probably descended from the same more remote parent source.

    Eight Mayan Triptych temples from various cities in the Yucatan Peninsula.jpg Eight Mayan Triptych temples from various cities in the Yucatan Peninsula.

    The Universal Religion symbolized by the Triptych was banned in the West 2,000 years ago by the Catholic Church, but nonetheless it has continued into modern times, surviving in the beliefs of Secret Societies and their art and architecture. Look, for example, at the headquarters of the Freemasons, the Skull & Bones, the Shriners and the Knights of Pythias. Each building’s facade depicts an unmistakable Triptych pattern:

    The abundant occurrence of the Triptych across the ancient world is not a random coincidence. The Triptych represents more than merely an architectural element; the Triptych is the chief symbol of an advanced Universal Religion that was once shared globally in Antiquity, mainly by the pyramid cultures. The discovery of the Triptych provides, for the first time, conclusive evidence that ancient cultures worldwide shared the same spiritual beliefs. It also indicates that these cultures did not evolve independently, but were probably descended from the same more remote parent source.

    The Universal Religion symbolized by the Triptych was banned in the West 2,000 years ago by the Catholic Church, but nonetheless it has continued into modern times, surviving in the beliefs of Secret Societies and their art and architecture. Look, for example, at the headquarters of the Freemasons, the Skull & Bones, the Shriners and the Knights of Pythias. Each building’s facade depicts an unmistakable Triptych pattern:…

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    The Universal Religion shared by the ancients and hidden in these Secret Society Triptychs is a complex and detailed spiriUniversal religiontual belief system. Its tenets have been known throughout recent history by philosophers, poets, theologians, astronomers, alchemists and occultist—all of whom have been initiated into its wisdom.

    The Universal Religion teaches that:

    – Deep down each one of us is an eternal spiritual “soul”
    – This soul is our real true immortal “Self”
    – This Self is actually a divine “god” or deity with overreaching powers”

    The problem is, we have amnesia of our immortal godhood Self (capital S) because it is covered up by our mortal animal bodily self (lowercase s) while we live our lives on earth.”

    And what is this Religion?

    Sanatna Dharma!

    Citations.

    http://grahamhancock.com/cassaror1/

    Graham Hancock has done extensive research to prove the Sanatana Dharma origins.

    For misinformation check.

    http://humansarefree.com/2013/12/the-temples-of-atlantis-planetary.html

    http://www.messagetoeagle.com/articles1/triptychtemplesatlantisnew.php#.VctvubKqqko

    Reasearch author..Richard Cassaro

    http://www.richardcassaro.com/research

  • Jesus Christ Killed Had Bad Temper Apocrypha Bible

    One of the problems, which those who design a Religious text, do not realize that, whatever be the presentation and promotion , Truth will surface.

    Especially so, if the Religious text is selected from about 300 versions and only that which suited the Political expediency is accepted.

    Lost Books of The Bible.Image.jpg
    Lost Books of The Bible.

    The danger is that there are chances that the rejected material shall also come through.

    This, being of the same origin as that of the accepted Text will carry the same force as the one accepted.

    I am talking about the Bible, which was compiled by a Conclave of Cardinals and only that which suited the political necessities of Empire Constantine was accepted as the Religious text.

    There were more than 300 versions reported to have been considered by the conclave of the Cardinals.

    Now there are those versions of the Bible that have become available that speak differently of Jesus and His Character.

    These Books are called the Lost Books of the Bible, Apocrypha Bible.

    Some of the material found in these books are very uncomfortable for a Religion which says it the most Compassionate and Jesus  was a Prince of Peace.

     

    ”

    No question, the kid portrayed in the “The Lost Books of the Bible” isn’t exactly the Prince of Peace. After recounting three murders in two pages, one passage concludes, “Then said Joseph to St. Mary, henceforth we will not allow him to go out of the house; for everyone who displeases him is killed.”

    The “lost books” are part of the apocrypha, quasibiblical works not included in the official Bible. There are several dozen of these, dating from both Old and New Testament eras and exhibiting considerable variety in length, completeness, and credibility. A few of these were considered inspired in some corners of the early church but were ultimately excluded from the formal canon for one reason or another; the remainder, which account for the bulk of the material, have always been regarded as spurious by the mainstream church and include works condemned as heretical or fraudulent…

    In 1820 a number of the apocryphal books were compiled into a sort of alternative Bible called the Apocryphal New Testament. This was republished in 1926 as The Lost Books of the Bible and reprinted in 1979; the last version is what you saw. The 1820 book in turn was an aggregation of two English translations published in 1736 and 1737. The original works were a serious attempt to advance bible study, but the subsequent publications, arguably in 1820 and certainly from 1926 onward, were an attempt to sell books by creating scandal.

    ..

    The homicidal-Jesus stories come from something known as the Infancy Gospel of Thomas. (This is to be distinguished from the better-known but equally apocryphal Gospel According to Thomas, about which more below.) Several versions of the Infancy Gospel have come to light, dating back to about the sixth century AD; all are copies of earlier texts.

    As near as scholars can make out, the Thomas story originated in the mid-second century AD, subsequent to the four canonical gospels (that is, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John). Some say it was based in part on Luke; the two books share the story of Jesus scourging the money lenders at the Temple. It is one of the few portrayals, spurious or not, of Jesus’s early life, which no doubt accounts for its continued circulation after eighteen hundred years…

    Gospel According to Thomas, a collection of 114 sayings attributed to Jesus discovered in Egypt in 1945. It is taken more seriously than the Infancy Gospel and while not as outrageous is equally troubling in its way. It ends, “Simon Peter said to them, ‘Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of life.’ Jesus said, ‘I myself shall lead her in order to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every woman who will make herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven.’”

    Old Testament orders to Kill.

     

    Zephaniah 2:12-15

    “You Ethiopians will also be slaughtered by my sword,” says the LORD. And the LORD will strike the lands of the north with his fist. He will destroy Assyria and make its great capital, Nineveh, a desolate wasteland, parched like a desert. The city that once was so proud will become a pasture for sheep and cattle. All sorts of wild animals will settle there. Owls of many kinds will live among the ruins of its palaces, hooting from the gaping windows. Rubble will block all the doorways, and the cedar paneling will lie open to the wind and weather. This is the fate of that boisterous city, once so secure. “In all the world there is no city as great as I,” it boasted. But now, look how it has become an utter ruin, a place where animals live! Everyone passing that way will laugh in derision or shake a defiant fist

     

    Ezekiel 9:5-7

    “Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple.” So they began by killing the seventy leaders. “Defile the Temple!” the LORD commanded. “Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!” So they went throughout the city and did as they were told.”

     

    Matthew henry’s Biblical commentary writes this on Ezekial 9:5-7 :

     

    . A command given to the destroyers to do execution according to their commission. They stood by the brazen altar, waiting for orders; and orders are here given them to cut off and destroy all that were either guilty of, or accessory to, the abominations of Jerusalem, and that did not sigh and cry for them. Note, When God has gathered his wheat into his garner nothing remains but to burn up the chaff, Matthew3:12 http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=mt+3:12&t=kjv.

     

    1. They are ordered to destroy all, (1.) Without exception. They must go through the city, and smite; they must slay utterly, slay to destruction, give them their death’s wound. They must make no distinction of age or sex, but cut off old and young; neither the beauty of the virgins, nor the innocency of the babes, shall secure them. This was fulfilled in the death of multitudes by famine and pestilence, especially by the sword of the Chaldeans, as far as the military execution went. Sometimes even such bloody work as this has been God’s work. But what an evil thing is sin, then, which provokes the God of infinite mercy to such severity! (2.) Without compassion: “Let not your eye spare, neither have you pity (Ezekiel 9:5 <http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=eze+9:5&t=kjv&gt; ); you must not save any whom God has doomed to destruction, as Saul did Agag and the Amalekites, for that is doing the work of God deceitfully, Jeremiah 48:10 <http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=jer+48:10&t=kjv&gt; . None need to be more merciful than God is; and he had said (Ezekiel 8:18 <http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=eze+8:18&t=kjv&gt; ), My eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity.” Note, Those that live in sin, and hate to be reformed, will perish in sin, and deserve not to be pitied; for they might easily have prevented the ruin, and would not.

     

    1. They are warned not to do the least hurt to those that were marked for salvation: “Come not near any man upon whom is the mark; do not so much as threaten or frighten any of them; it is promised them that there shall no evil come nigh them, and therefore you must keep at a distance from them.” The king of Babylon gave particular orders that Jeremiah should be protected. Baruch and Ebed-melech were secured, and, it is likely, others of Jeremiah’s friends, for his sake. God had promised that it should go well with his remnant and they should be well treated (Jeremiah 15:11 <http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=jer+15:11&t=kjv&gt; ); and we have reason to think that none of the mourning praying remnant fell by the sword of the Chaldeans, but that God found out some way or other to secure them all, as, in the last destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans, the Christians were all secured in a city called Pella, and none of them perished with the unbelieving Jews. Note, None of those shall be lost whom God has marked for life and salvation; for the foundation of God stands sure.

    Some of the Lost Books.

     

    • Biblical Corruption?

    • The Acts of The Apostle Thomas
    • The Apocalypse of Peter
    • The Apocalypse of Paul
    • The Book of Enoch
    • Eugnostos the Blessed
    • The Book of James – Protevangelium
    • The Book of Jubilees
    • The Dialogue of the Saviour
    • The Didache: Teachings of the 12 Apostles
    • The Epistle of Barnabas
    • The Epistle to the Laodiceans
    • The Essenes and The Dead Sea Scrolls
    • The Essene Gospel of Peace
    • The Essene Book of Revelation
    • The Forgotten Books of Eden: First and Second Book of Adam and Eve:
    • The Gospel of the Egyptians
    • The Gospel of Mary Magdalene.
    • The Gospel of the Nativity of Mary
    • The Gospel of Nicodemus
    • The Gospel of The Perfect Life / Holy (12) Twelve
    • The Gospel of Philip
    • The Gospel of Thomas
    • The Gospel of Truth
    • The Heavenly Prince Melchizedek
    • The Lost Gospel of Peter
    • The Sophia (Wisdom) of Jesus
    • The Lost Ten Tribes of Israel
    • The Lost Years of Jesus
    • The Testament of Abraham
    • The Treatise on the Resurrection

     

    Citation and References.

    http://thefrt.com/what-are-the-lost-books-of-the-bible-did-jesus-kill-2-boys-a-schoolmaster-because-they-displeased-him/#

    http://answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/another_bible_myth.htm

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  • Jesus ‘mentally ill suffered from paranoia’ Bible Not Historic Study

    I chanced upon this.

    I thought about skipping it.

    But the names associated with it included A. Schweitzer.

    Worth reading.

    That the Bible was concocted is a fact, that it was compiled by Emperor Constantine to suit his political ambition is true.

    As to Christ, I doubt he existed,

    Please read my post on this.

    Dead Christ supported_by the madonna and saint John pieta.jpg
    Dead Christ supported_by the madonna and saint John pieta

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    Even those who deny that Jesus existed – and I am one of them – must agree that whether the gospels are true or not they don’t give us any confidence in the sanity of Jesus Christ.  Even if Jesus didn’t exist the gospels could have been based on stories about eccentrics and fairly obscure prophets of the time who did exist. 

     

    If we can prove that the Jesus Christ in them was mad then that is all we need to destroy Christianity.  It would mean that the apostles he chose and the Church he founded were all very silly people indeed.  It would mean that we have to be on guard against any other religious movement because if Christianity was founded on the ravings of a madman and was such a success any other religion could have been the same.

     

    We can be sure that there is no evidence for Jesus’ sanity and plenty of evidence against it.

     

    You will see plenty of Christian books written in defence of the faith that deny that Jesus was mentally ill and claim that he was the sanest person that ever lived.

     

    It is possible that Jesus was a manic-depressive.  He said he was the light of the world (John 9:5) and the only way to God (John 14:6) and the unique Son of God (John 17).  That is the sign of severe mania.  He was unnaturally full of himself.  Even if it were true, we would expect him to let others say he was this great being instead of him trying to convince him.  If he really had the power to influence people through using the Holy Spirit he did not need to make such declarations.”

     

    The following information is worth thinking about as it throws quite a few questions about Bible and Jesus.

    ‘This study was published in Dutch as: Jezus de Messias. Was het christendom een vergissing ? Antwerpen, EPO, and as:Toen God sliep schreef de mens de Bijbel. De bijbel belicht door een psycholoog. Antwerpen, Facet.

    Summary.

    This psychopathological study of the Gospel resulted in a revolutionary view on the personality of Jesus and his life, the sources of his spirituality and ideas. The hypothesis of paraphreny was able to explain a number of otherwise unexplained events. Did Jesus survive the crucifixion ? Is the Apocalypse the first Christian document, earlier than the letters of Paul ? Was the resurrection a myth? These questions find an answer in this study.

     

    About 1910 three competent psychiatrists: Ch. Binet-Sangle, G.L.De Loosten (G. Lomer) and W. Hirsch concluded after thorough examination of the texts, that Jesus was mentally ill and suffered from paranoia. They were criticised by A. Schweitzer who alleged that from an historical point of view most texts were dubious or certainly not historic, e.g. the quotations from the Gospel of St. John, and from a medical point of view that the alleged symptoms of paranoia or another mental disease were misunderstood.
    Three objections seemed essential: first: there is no certainty about the historical truth of the texts, secondly: what seems to us like a symptom was possibly a normal trait, a cultural feature in that civilisation, thirdly: there are not enough sure elements in order to found on them a safe judgment.

    If witnesses describe in a text correctly (according to modern psychopathology) a number of elements (symptoms) and if these symptoms are coherent and can be identified with a known syndrome, while these witnesses ignored completely psychopathology and moreover intended to prove a very different interpretation of the facts (a faulty one), there can be no more doubt about the authenticity of the described facts.

    The decision consequently about the historicity of the facts will no more depend upon mere philological criteria, but also upon psychopathological ones. Schweitzer supposes incorrectly, that the philological criteria are the only ones that can decide about historicity; in fact: the psychopathological control is more efficient and safe. So the first objection of Schweitzer is eliminated.

    The second objection of Schweitzer, that symptoms may be misunderstood cultural features, is at least superficial. It is very clear that the true pathological nature of the observed symptoms is culture-independent, although they may be coloured by the cultural background. Unadapted and strange behaviour as it is seen by extraneous observers, is on account of this fact itself matched against the own cultural background of the observers, but if this background is identical with the background of the subject no cultural interference exists any more. Therefore it is important to study the reaction of the own cultural milieu of the subject…

    In the Gospel of Mark a child is described, possessed by the devil. The features, found in the text, are all coherent with the syndrome of epilepsy and especially with an infantile type: perinatal infection of the ear with inflammatory complications, causing thrombo-phlebitis in the brain with the consequence of epileptic seizures and deaf-muteness. In the text of Mark all symptoms are precisely described: the child is mute, falls in the water and the fire (loss of conscience), utters a cry and is agitated, has foam on his mouth, becomes like dead and after a while is “cured”.
    2000 years ago nobody was aware of the true nature of epilepsy and the typical features in young children. (Hippocrates described the epilepsy as a disease, but we can consider that this was largely ignored in Judaea.)
    In the Bible numerous texts mention the hearing of voices, especially the voice of God. Current exegesis (Kittel, Theologisches Woerterbuch des Neuen Testaments, s.v. “Phone”) interbreeds these texts as metaphorical: hearing the voice of God is simply the expression for a vocation by God. However in psychopathology “hear a voice” is a current expression for an auditive (sensory) hallucination. Often the voice heard is identified as the voice of God. So the question is, if the voices heard by Jesus ( Baptism, desert, Thabor) were hallucinatory ones as even Schweitzer suggests.
    The narrative of the baptism of Jesus shows a text-evolution. In the Gospel: as Mark says that Jesus saw the Heaven opened, Matthew says that the heaven opened and that Jesus saw a bird… Luke lays a heavy accent on the physical appearance of a dove and eliminates any allusion to a vision, John adds the testimony of John the Baptist, the latter saw the ghost… The text-evolution seems to intend to change a subjective vision into an objective happening. Of course Mark has always the most original version: Jesus saw the heaven opened, he saw a bird, he heard a voice. This is the evidence, if one considers the complete narrative of Jesus baptism and his stay in the desert. Psychopathological investigation discovers in Mark, Luke and Matthew, regardless of the fact that especially Luke adapted the original version, a number of well-known symptoms of an hallucinatory state: hearing the voices of God and the devil, seeing wild beasts (zoopsie), having the impression to fly (vestibular hallucination), having visions of the whole world, suffering from anorexia (fasting). In that light the vision of the Baptism also is certainly another manifestation of this hallucinatory state: a well-localised (heavenly) vision, seeing a light (opening of heaven) , of a bird, the hearing of a voice, communicating a grandiose genetic message (you are my beloved son), a voice speaking in the second person as hallucinatory voices often do.
    Date Contradcition about the date of birth of Jesus
    It is important to see the essential difference between the Gospel of Infancy and the baptism-Thabor episode. Most biblical students see the Gospel of Infancy as a mythical corpus in the New Testament and they mention numerous reasons. First there are the chronological contradictory data. According to Matthew Jesus should be born (between 6 and 4 B.C.) during the reign of the great Herod, who died in 4 B.C.; the census which according to Luke, obliged the parents to travel to Bethlehem, was executed by Quirinius, who according to the precise indications of Flavius Josephus, the Jewish historian, became procurator of Syria in 7 A.D.., i.e. 11 to 12 years later. Furthermore the beginning of Jesus public life, when he was about thirty years, is situated by Luke (3,1) in the 15th year of the reign of Tiberius (1 October 27-30 September 28). According to that indication Jesus should be born in 4-3 B.C . The historians never solved these difficulties.
    Secondly: the divergence between Matthew and Luke is striking. For Luke an angel appears to Mary and to Elizabeth. For Matthew each event is predicted in the Old Testament; for Luke the quotations of the O.T. are replaced by occasional prophecies by Hannah and Simeon. For Matthew a star appears, magicians come, there is a flight to Egypt and a killing of innocents by the great Herod. For Luke there are only shepherds, angels and music, the circumcision in the Temple and a simple return to Nazareth. He does not mention Egypt, or the Innocents. In the Protevangelium Jacobi another series of divergent elements can be found. Herod kills Zechariah, while John is sought for; there is no star, no magicians, no prophecies, only the angels and their message to Mary and to Elizabeth.
    Thirdly: the only elements, which all witnesses have in common are: 1° the exceptional pregnancy of Mary, 2° the hesitation of Joseph, 3° the birth of Jesus, 4° the  exceptional sphere of wonders. Each witness surrounds these historical events with a scenery of marvellous elements of his own…
    As has been said, if all symptoms coherently are in accordance with a well-known syndrome, there can be no more doubt about the historical truth of the described facts because it was impossible in Hebrew antiquity to describe accurately and correctly what twenty centuries later became known as a mental disease without having observed it. The fact that can be shown is that in the Gospel an image is found of Jesus, which is entirely coherent with the syndrome of paraphrenia, and that it is quite sure that this was not the intention of the authors of the Gospel. Nothing specifically divine or even superior is noted. Paraphrenia has to be understood as a mental disease sometimes also classified in the category of paranoia and opposed to schizophrenia. In opposition to the schizophrenic the paraphrenic remains adapted to his milieu, has a coherent thinking and a well-organised behaviour. Generally hallucinations are rare, but initiate a delusional state, often with a grandiose genetic theme. The paraphrenic is very sensitive to the opposition against his ideas: he is often full of resentment and hate. This is exactly the image the Gospel has painted of Jesus. If miracles are the only argument for the supposed divinity of Jesus, one must take into account that a number of these are certainly pseudo-miracles (cf. the epileptic child ‘(Mc. 9) or the possessed of Gerasa (Mc. 5)).
    Citation from the research Papers.
    * This Post is to present diverse views.I have posted artciles on Objectiobale material in Hinduism,Islam as well.
    So do not conclude this is Christianity bashing.
    Contradicting views with research welcome.

  • ‘Indian Yogi Met Socrates’ Disciple Of Aristotle

    I have posted articles on the close affinity between Hinduism and Greek Religion.

    Krishna and Balarama have been worshiped and there is evidence to state that Hercules was Balarama, elder brother of Krishna.

     

    There is a report by Aristoxenus, a disciple of Aristotle.

    English: Bust of Socrates in the Vatican Museum
    English: Bust of Socrates in the Vatican Museum (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

     

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    this Indian met Socrates in Athens and asked him what he studying. Socrates replied that he was studying human life. The Indian at this point laughed and asked him how could he study human life without studying the divine.  The quote is as follows

    ‘Now Aristoxenus the Musician says that this argument comes from the Indians: for a certain man of that nation fell in with Socrates at Athens, and presently asked him, what he was doing in philosophy: and when he said, that he was studying human life, the Indian laughed at him, and said that no one could comprehend things human, if he were ignorant of things divine [Eusebius of Caesarea: Praeparatio Evangelica (Preparation for the Gospel). Tr. E.H. Gifford (1903) — Book 11]

    It is not sure if Socrates changed his mind, but his student Plato was influenced. Plato who previously argued that human and divine affairs were the same, started distinguishing between the two. According to Plato there was one kind of study concerning nature, another concerning humans and a third concerning dialectic.

    ‘But he maintained that we could not take a clear view of human affairs, unless the divine were previously discerned: for just as physicians, when treating any parts of the body, attend first to the state of the whole, so the man who is to take a clear view of things here on earth must first know the nature of the universe; and man, he said, was a part of the world; and good was of two kinds, our own good and that of the whole, and the good of the whole was the more important, because the other was for its sake.[Eusebius of Caesarea: Praeparatio Evangelica (Preparation for the Gospel). Tr. E.H. Gifford (1903) — Book 11]

    Citation.

    1. Mcevilley, Thomas C. The Shape of Ancient Thought: Comparative Studies in Greek and Indian Philosophies. 1st ed. Allworth Press, 2001.
    2. Caesarea, Eusebius of. Eusebius of Caesarea: Praeparatio Evangelica, 2010.