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  • Greeks Reference In India Texts 2000 BC

    It is a fact that Indian history is full of misinformation.

    Reasons are two.

    Ancient Indians considered Life to be ephemeral, transient and concentrated on realising the Reality and were concerned about the origin of the world and other philosophical questions.

    As such,they did not consider it worthwhile recording history or personal achievements.

    Religious texts were transmitted orally.

    And then came the invaders.

    It did not suit them to have the enslaved Nation to have ancient history.

    And they wanted to pit people against people by dividing them,pitting one against another, dividing them.

    They wanted to impose their religion and culture on Indians.

    They doctored history, misinterpreted it ,in its mild form,and totally lying in extreme cases.

    Most of the time lying was resorted to.

    Greek coins Balarama 180 BC.image

    Greek coins Balarama 180 BC

    If one were to read Indian history,it starts with Alexander’s invasion of India and earlier history as found in the Vedas, the religious texts of the Hindus, Puranas, ancient history,and Ithihasas, Ramayana and Mahabharata,the epics of India were dismissed as myths.

    All these texts contain verifiable and verified facts with Astronomy,Carbon Dating, Archeological finds, Geology,Plate tectonics,reference in foreign literature and culture.

    If the first contact with Greeks was established only when Alexander invaded India,how come India references are found in Greek writings before his time?

    There was a thriving commercial interaction between Tamil Kings and the Greeks even around 230 BC.

    There was a Roman Colony in Madurai, Roman Colony in Madurai Tamil Nadu.

    There was a temple for Augustus in

    Musiri,Tamil Nadu.

    Dionysus and Shiva.

    One more connection of Sanatana to Greece has been found in the relationship of Dionysus and Shiva.

    Dionysus may be Shiva Himself because He migrated to the West during the great flood while Vaivaswataha Manu, ancestor of Lord Rama moved to Ayodhya.

    Dionysus is found in the Atharva Veda.

    Bhrigu and Greece

    Bhrigu and others are also found in Greece.

    by the pre-historic times the devotees Dionysus’s used to travel to India since it was a pilgrimage for them. The priesthood genes got developed into various tribes. So there are the Bhrigu(Bhryges), the Avanti (Avantes), the Kurus (Kuris), the Panchas(Panchaioi) theKoshas (Koes), the Sindhu (Sindu). They originate from different parts of Greece’

    The Kurus and the Panchas originate from Crete and might be the oldest ones. The Avanti from Evoia. A part of them joined with A part of Kuris and created the priesthood Korivantes, who ruled Asia Minor. Bhriges, Koshas and Sindu were from Thrace, an area that covered this time all North Greece. A part of Bhriges moved to Anatolia and a part of Sindu to south cost of black sea. Bhrigu in ancient Greek means “to burn” and it is referred to the sacrificial ritual. Sindu in Thracian dialect means river. So is it possible the oldest name of Indus river deriving from them? Even nowadays in North Greece there is the municipality of Sindos. Most of the western researchers either don’t understand or they don’t want to accept the common roots of those cultures. But as I heard in Harvard they teach that the Sanskrit Soma has common etymological root with Greek saima that means originally the holly blood of the sacrificed God. Saimon was a holy mountain of Dionysus in Thrace, meaning blood..

    Bhrigu From Greece Greek Priests in Rig Veda?

    Reference to Tamils in 70 BC

    Greek historian records that the port of Hipporus on the coast of Sri Lanka was ruled by Tamil King.

    A traveler from Rome reached the port through Arabia and leant Tamil.

    This was in 70BC!

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    And more sites like Adichanallur,Keezhadi are pushing the dates even further back.

    Misinformation by Scholars (?)

    Max Muller in his ‘What Can India Teach Us?’ says: ‘If I call the invasion which is generally called the invasion of the Shakas, or the Scythians, or the Indo-Scythians, or Turushkas, the Turanian invasion… who took possession of India, from about first century BC to the third century BC.’ Again classifying Sanskrit literature he says, ‘we divide the whole of the Sanskrit literature into there two periods, one anterior to the great Turanian invasion, the other posterior to it, we may call the former period as ancient and natural, that of the later modern and artificial.’ Thus, Ramayana belonged to the modern and artificial literary period and Veda-s to ancient. According to Indians the Turushkas are not the Scythians but Turkish, and the Yavanas, are clearly the Greek. Michelson in his ‘Linguistic Archaisms of the Ramayana…’adds another phase called Epical period. Thus, there are three, Vedic, Epical, and the rest of it is modern and artificial. At the same time Max Muller says: ‘At the time of Solomon, there was a channel of communication open between India and Syria and Palestine is established beyond doubt, I believe, by certain Sanskrit words which occur in the Bible such as ivory, apes, peacock, and sandalwood, which, taken together, could not have been exported from any country but India…’ So Solomon, Bible, Turanian invasion, Ramayana… all occasioned at one time, i.e., around 0 BC. So many professors, so many researchers have not said a date agreeable to Indians as well as to the world.

    Tamils trade with Greeks Romans.

    Roman and Greek traders frequented the ancient Tamil country, present day Southern India and Sri Lanka, securing trade with the seafaring Tamil states of the Pandyan, Chola and Chera dynasties and establishing trading settlements which secured trade with the Indian Subcontinent by the Greco-Roman world since the time of the Ptolemaic dynasty’

    The 1st-century Periplusnotes how a country called This, with a great city called Thinae (comparable to Sinae in Ptolemy’s Geography), produced silk and exported it to Bactria before it traveled overland to Barygaza in India and down the Ganges River:

    Link provided towards the close of the article.

    Greeks reference Hindu texts 2000 BC

    At one place, it is said that there was a rapport among these places India-Syria-Palestine and even up to Egypt, but at other place, the Indian thought, that the Indian had Greeks and Greeks had Indians, is dismissed. What prevents to agree that both hold up mirror to almost the same culture, though diverse in its practise, right from the belief of Greeks, viz., ‘the sense of many gods are there near at hand’ to various gods, to their names, to the epical literature, and also to myths and legends and dramas etc, is unknown. But when it comes to dating and mapping ‘the earliest date known for certain in Indian history is the invasion of Alexander in 326 BC…’ and ‘The chronology has been built up form the identification of Sandracrottus of Greek writers with Chandragupta Maurya… yet it is said ‘In the seventh century BC India was divided into sixteen Mahajanapada-s…’ as per ‘An Historical Atlas of Indian Peninsula”, Oxford. Peculiarly those sixteen Janapada-s did not contain the names of Yavana, Shaka provinces in atlases.

    ‘The Greeks, evidently descended from tribes who had come westwards from the early home of Indo-Europeans in South-Central-Asia, first settled in the land which we know as Greece about 2000 B.C….’ according to The Encyclopaedia of Myths and Legends of All Nations, Kaye & Ward Ltd., London. Their history about Ion, the king of Helice, and his war with Elsenians, the confederacy of Lonia in Asia Minor etc., speaks about their origin and shuffling, i.e., from east to west and again from west to east. It is they who have adopted Vedic Rain-god Mitra as their Mithras and many a temple was built all over Europe for Mithras. Even Goddess Lakshmi has Her counterpart in Greece ‘

    http://www.valmikiramayan.net/kishkindha/sarga43/kishkindha_43_prose.htm

    Coinage of Lakshmi,Balarama 200 BC

    Agathocles Dikaios(Greek: Ἀγαθοκλῆς ὁ Δίκαιος; epithet meaning: “the Just”) was a Buddhist Indo-Greek king, who reigned between around 190 and 180 BC. He might have been a son of Demetrius and one of his sub-kings in charge of the Paropamisadebetween Bactria and India. In that case, he was a grandson of Euthydemus whom he qualified on his coins as Βασιλεὺς Θεός,Basileus Theos (Greek for “God-King”).
    At the same time, Agathocles issued an intriguing range of bilingual coinage.

    https://ramanisblog.in/2015/02/11/krishna-balarama-lakhmi-greek-coins-200-bc/

    Now look at the reference to even Arctic in Ramayana.

    na katha.ncana ga.ntavyam kuruuNaam uttareNa vaH |
    anyeSaam api bhuutaanaam na anukraamati vai gatiH || 4-43-57

    57. kuruuNaam uttareNa= from Kuru, to north of; kathancana= under any circumstances; vaH na gantavyam= you, not, to go; anyeSaam bhuutaanaam api = to other, beings, even; gatiH= a course, passage; na anukraamati = not, follows – no course is there; vai= indeed.

    “Under any circumstances you shall not go to the north of Kuru province as there is no other way out to follow, even for other beings like daitya, daanava, yaksha, gandharva-s, though they possess some extraordinary capabilities. [4-43-57]

    ‘Here we have a glimpse of the Arctic region with the Aurora Borealis to the north of the Uttara Kuru realms. The Uttara Kurus, it should be remembered, may have been a real people, as they mentioned in the aitareya braahmaNa viii-14 wherefore the several nations who dwell in this northern quarter beyond the Himalayas, the Uttara Kurus and the Uttara Madras are consecrated to glorious dominion and people term them glorious…’ Mouris, Sanskrit Series, Vol. I

    Reference and citation.

    https://ramanan50-wordpress-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/ramanan50.wordpress.com/2018/06/14/ancient-tamil-life-expectancy-100-ptolemy-100-bc/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCCAE%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Framanan50.wordpress.com%2F2018%2F06%2F14%2Fancient-tamil-life-expectancy-100-ptolemy-100-bc%2F

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Roman_trade_relations

    http://www.valmikiramayan.net/kishkindha/sarga43/kishkindha_43_frame.htm

  • Krishna Enemy Greek King Kalayavana Killed By Tamil King

    I have written about the Tamil Chola King Muchukunda and his identifying the Shiva idol from Indra.

    The Seven temples of Shiva, the Sapthavidanga sthalas in Tami Nadu have these Lingas.

    Please read my article on this.

    Muchukunda lived in Hyderabad,India and helped Lord Krishna.

    Muchukunda was a comtemporary of Lord Krishna and Kala Yavana.

    Kala Yavana Lays siege to Mathura,India
    Kala Yavana Lays siege to Mathura

     

    Image credit.

    By Anonymous (India) – Online Collection of Brooklyn Museum; Photo: Brooklyn Museum, 1990.185.1_IMLS_PS4.jpg, No restrictions, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=14608189

     

    According to the Vishnu Purana and Harivamsa, Kalayavana was the son of a Brahmin named Ganga, and a Yavana princess. This legend appears to indicate an invasion from across the Himalayas, meaning one of the Central Asian, Middle Eastern or Ancient Greek provinces. After the invasion by combined forces of Jarasandha of Magadha, Kalayavan and their grand alliance, Krishna departed to build the city of Dvārakā amidst sea, transported all his people and left them there.

    The legend goes like this: Lord Shri Krishna to save humanity from the evils of an yet another imminent battle with mighty Jarasandha flees Mathura [hence another name of Krishna, Ran-Chod Rai, one who fled war field] and moves his kingdom to newly builtDwarka. Kalayavan, who stood by Jarasandha chases Shri Krishna to Dwarka. Pretending to flee yet again from war field, Shri Krishna lures Kalayavana into the cave where the great king of Treta yuga, Muchukunda, one of the forefathers of Lord ShriRama was in a deep slumber of thousands of years after helping devas in an epic war with Asuras. Contemplating an absolutely undisturbed sleep he was given a boon that anyone who dared to disturb his sleep would get burnt to ashes immediately. Fast forward to Dwapara yuga, in the darkness deep inside the cave, Kalayavan mistakenly wakes up Muchukunda from his sleep, and sure to Muchukunda’s powers Kalayavan was decimated into ashes instantaneously with a fiery glance. And then Muchukunda was delighted to see Lord Shri Krisha there, who was none other than Lord Vishnu. Sri Krishna advises him to perform Tapas to cleanse the accumulated sins to attain Moksha (liberation). After meeting with lord, Muchukunda sets out of the cave. And the story narrates that he is astonished to see that all creatures had shrunken in size over time while he rested in cave, indicating long ages gone by. Muchukunda then goes north to Gandamadana Mountain and from there to Badrikashrama for doing penance and finally achieves liberation, the Moksha.

    Kalayavana means a Black Greek/from Middle east.

    Yavana is a term used from the Vedic times to denote Greeks,people from the middle east.

    References to Yavana is found in ancient Tamil Literature , Vishnu Purana,HariVamsa and Silappadikarm in Tamil.

    India imported horses  from these areas and exported silk,  Muslin,Diamonds, Emeralds ,Spices,Tigers, Elephants.

    ‘Experts say in the Edicts of Ashoka (c. 250 BCE) especially In the Gandhari Rock XIII : Antiochus is referred as “Amtiyoko nama Yona-raja” (lit. “The Greek king by the name of Antiochus”), beyond whom live the four other kings: “param ca tena Atiyokena cature 4 rajani Turamaye nama Amtikini nama Maka nama Alikasudaro nama” (lit. “And beyond Antiochus, four kings by the name of Ptolemy, the name of Antigonos, the name of Magas, the name Alexander”).

     

    Dipavamsa , Mahavamsa and Sasanvamsa
    Buddhist texts such as the Dipavamsa, Mahavamsa and the Sasanavamsa reveal that after the Third Buddhist Council, the elder (thera) Mahárakkhita was sent to the Yona country and he preached Dharma among the Yonas and the Kambojas.

    Milindapanha
    Another example is that of the Milinda Panha , where “Yonaka” is used to refer to king Menanders (160–135 BCE ) guards.

    Mahabharata
    The Vanaparava of Mahabharata contains verses in the form of prophecy complaining that “……Mlechha (barbaric) kings of the Shakas, Yavanas, Kambojas, Bahlikas etc. shall rule the earth (i.e India) un-righteously in Kaliyuga…” . This reference apparently alludes to chaotic political scenario following the collapse of dharmic dynasties in northern India and its subsequent occupation by non-dharmic hordes of the Yavanas, Kambojas, Sakas and Pahlavas etc.

    Others
    other Indian records describe the Yavana attacks on Saketa, Panchala, Mathura and Pataliputra, probably against the Sunga empire, and possibly in defense of Buddhism. The main mentions of the invasion are those by Patanjali around 150 BCE, and of the Yuga Purana, which, like the Mahabharata, also describes Indian historical events in the form of a prophecy:

    Yavana in other cultures.

    • Egyptians used the word j-w-n(-n)-’
    • Assyrians used the word Iawanu
    • Persians used the word Yauna or Yavanu
    • Sri Lankans – used the word Yona in Mahawamsa and other historic texts.
    • In Biblical writings, the word was Yāvān (and still is, in modern Israeli Hebrew – יוון)
    • In Arabic and Turkish it is Yunan See Also Sanskrit Yoni

     

     

    The history of Greece can be traced back to Stone Age hunters. Later came early farmers and thecivilizations of the Minoan and Mycenaean kings. This was followed by a period of wars and invasions, known as the Dark Ages. In about 1100 BC, a people called the Dorians invaded from the north and spread down the west coast. In the period from 500-336 BC Greece was divided into small city states, each of which consisted of a city and its surrounding countryside.

    There were only a few historians in the time of Ancient Greece. Three major ancient historians, were able to record their time of Ancient Greek history, that include Herodotus, known as the ‘Father of History’ who travelled to many ancient historic sites at the time, Thucydides andXenophon.

    Most other forms of History knowledge and accountability of the ancient Greeks we know is because of temples, sculpture, pottery, artefacts and other archaeological findings.


      NEOLITHIC PERIOD (6000 – 2900 BC)

    According to historians and archeological findings, the Neolithic Age in Greece lasted from 6800 to 3200 BC. The most domesticated settlements were in Near East of Greece. They traveled mainly due to overpopulation. These people introduced pottery and animal husbandry in Greece. They may as well have traveled via the route of Black sea into Thrace, which then further leads to Macedonia, Thessaly, Boeotia etc. The second way of traveling into Greece is from one island to another and such type of colonies has been found in Knossos and Kythnos..( http://www.ancientgreece.com/s/History/ )

    There are attempts to distort history by saying that the term Yavana was derived from Ionia and that the term was not is use when the term was Yavana was coined.

    Yavana is a name coined by the Vedic people with specific meaning and has no reference to Ionia for Ionia was named much later to the Vedic/Tamil Sangam period.

    Obviously they could not have derived the term from Ionia.

    To say that there  was no Greek History then, is  distortion of Facts s may be evidenced from the quote above.

    Note that the predecessors to Greek civilistion,like the Minoans, were influenced by the Vedic civilization and Indian kings were ruling Minoans and there is also the Tamil connection.

    Please read my articles on these

    References and citations.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalayavana

    https://controversialhistory.blogspot.in/2009/10/origin-of-yavanas-greek-myth.html

  • Historians Admit To Inventing Ancient Greeks

     

     

    ‘History’ Napoleon said ‘is what the victors  write” ;he forgot the so-called scholars.

    When will the Historians come  out to declare the same about ‘Aryan invasion’?

    Story:

    WASHINGTON—A group of leading historians held a press conference Monday at the National Geographic Society to announce they had “entirely fabricated” ancient Greece, a culture long thought to be the intellectual basis of Western civilization.

    The group acknowledged that the idea of a sophisticated, flourishing society existing in Greece more than two millennia ago was a complete fiction created by a team of some two dozen historians, anthropologists, and classicists who worked nonstop between 1971 and 1974 to forge “Greek” documents and artifacts.

    “Honestly, we never meant for things to go this far,” said Professor Gene Haddlebury, who has offered to resign his position as chair of Hellenic Studies at Georgetown University. “We were young and trying to advance our careers, so we just started making things up: Homer, Aristotle, Socrates, Hippocrates, the lever and fulcrum, rhetoric, ethics, all the different kinds of columns—everything.”

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/historians-admit-to-inventing-ancient-greeks,18209/

     

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