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  • Tamil Elam In Iran Elamites

    The unraveling of Indian History is an arduous task.

    It is more confounding when one tries to sort out the relationship and antiquity of Sanskrit and other regional languages like Tamil Kannada( I have done some research in these but yet to study other languages, I am sure I will have more surprises when I go with an open mind).

    Now that I have explored a little on Sanatana Dharma, Sanskrit and their relationship with them, Iam convinced that Tamil and Sanatana Dharma/Sanskrit is quite ancient and our present reading of History does not do just do justice to any of them.

    Facts.

    1.Tamil kings were present during the Swayamvara of Nala and Damayanthi,Lord Rama.

    2.Shiva worship in the South preceded Vedic Texts.

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    Narama Sin, Akkadian King

    3.Thiruvannamalai is 3.9 Million years old.

    4.Tirupathi is 2100 million years old.

    5.There is a million year old Tamil site near Chennai.

    6.Jwalapuram near Cuddapah, Rayalaseema is 74000 years old where Nataraja Idol is found.

    7.Agastya’s travel to  South India has been documented at around 5000 BC and another around 21 000 years ago.

    8.Velirs, A Dynasty of Kings were brought from Dwaraka to South India by Agastya.

    9.Tamil Brahmi script is found in Harappa.

    10.Satavrata Manu, ancestor of Lord Rama migrated from Dravida Desa.

    11.Satyavrata Manu meditated near Madagascar.

    12.Shiva’s Trinetra Dance is performed among the Aborigines of Australia.

    13.There is speculation that Daksha hid in the Antarctic.

    14.Due to Tectonic plate movement India was near Arctic a long time ago.

    15.It is probable that India moved near Antarctic as well.

    16.The cultural exchange between South and North was quite frequent and very close.

    17.Rama supported the Lemurians in their war against the Atlanteans.

    18. Traces of Tamil language and Tamil culture is found among the tribes of North West of India and the South west of present Iran.

    Now  a new theory suggests that Tamil Elam was present in the area surrounding Iran and Tamil in its rudimentary form is found there even new.

    The word Tamil Elam is from the usage of the same word in the same sense by the Elamie civilisation.

     

     

    McAlpin (1975) in his study identified some similarities between Elamite and Dravidian. He proposed that 20% of Dravidian and Elamite vocabulary are cognates while 12% are probable cognates. He further proposed that Elamite and Dravidian possess similar second-person pronouns and parallel case endings. For example the term for mother in the Elamite language and in different Dravidian languages like Tamil is “amma”.[2] They have identical derivatives, abstract nouns, and the same verb stem+tense marker+personal ending structure. Both have two positive tenses, a “past” and a “non-past”.[3]

     

    Apart from the linguistic similarities, the Elamo-Dravidian Hypothesis rests on the claim that agriculture spread from the Near East to the Indus Valley region via Elam. This would suggest that agriculturalists brought a new language as well as farming from Elam. Supporting ethno-botanical data include the Near Eastern origin and name of wheat (D. Fuller). Later evidence of extensive trade between Elam and the Indus Valley Civilization suggests ongoing links between the two regions.

    The distribution of living Dravidian languages, concentrated mostly in southern India but with isolated pockets in Southern Afghanistan and Pakistan (Brahui) and in Central and East India (Kurukh, Malto), suggests to some a wider past distribution of the Dravidian languages. However, there are varied opinions about the origin of northern Dravidian languages like Brahui, Kurukh and Malto[disambiguation needed].[5] The Kurukh have traditionally claimed to be from the Deccan Peninsula,[6] more specifically Karnataka. The same tradition has existed of the Brahui.[7][8] They call themselves immigrants.[9] Many scholars hold this same view of the Brahui[10] such as L. H. Horace Perera and M. Ratnasabapathy.[11] Moreover, it has now been demonstrated that the Brahui only migrated to Balochistan from central India after 1000 CE. The absence of any older Iranian loanwords in Brahui supports this hypothesis. The main Iranian contributor to Brahui vocabulary, Balochi, is a western Iranian language like Kurdish.[12]

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    The people of Elam (yes in Tamil, Eelam means homeland), were the first to civilise the Iranian Peninsula. in the 2700 BC period. They were contemporaries of the Egyptians, the Mittanis and the Hittites. The Elamites were a significant people. till the 800BC in Persia (modern day Iran).
    The Elamites concluded a major treaty with the Akkadian King King Naram-sin (Naram to Narain and Sin is the moon goddess, Chandra; possibly Narayan Chandra). Akkadian language is itself implicated in being in cahoots with Sanskrit and Indus Valley languages – and the creation ans spread of most modern languages except Sino languages. One of the most prominent rulers of Babylon was Nebuchadnezzar (as spelt in English). Replace ‘b’ with ‘d’ and you are very close the Tamil name of Neduncheziyan (Nedunchedianuru) – a current and modern Tamil name. Interestingly, Neduncheziyan is more famous as the fabled erring Pandyan King in the Tamil classic – Silappadhikaaram. Neduncheziyan mistaken justice, brings him grief and finally death. Neduncheziyan is overshadowed by the other King, Cheran Senguttuvan’s fame in the Tamil classic, written by Jain Saint, Elangovadigal.
    Where It All Started
    The oldest Indian language, not based on Sanskrit, is Tamil. There is 3000 year old history that Tamil language has, which makes it one the oldest, living language. Related languages are in use even today in Pakistan, where the Brahui tribe speaks a related version of the Tamil language. The Brahuis have marriage preferences which are similar to South Indians (cousins preferred in marriage) – rather than North Indians. BRAHUI, a people of Baluchistan, inhabiting the Brahui mountains, which extend continuously from near the Bolan Pass to Cape Monze on the Arabian Sea. The khan of Kalat, the native ruler of Baluchistan, is himself a Brahui, and a lineal descendant of Kumbar, former chief of the Kumbarini, a Brahui tribe. The origin of the Brahuis is an ethnological mystery.The origins of the Brahuis are even more puzzling than those of the Baluch, for their language is not Indo-European at all, but belongs to the same Dravidian family as Tamil and the other languages of south India spoken over a thousand miles away. One theory has it that the Brahuis are the last northern survivors of a Dravidian-speaking population which perhaps created the Indus Valley civilisation, but it seems more likely that they too arrived as the result of a long tribal migration, at some earlier date from peninsular India. Bishop Robert Caldwell and other authorities declare them Dravidians, and regard them as the western borderers of Dravidian India. The Brahuis declare themselves to be the aborigines of the country they now occupy, their ancestors coming from Aleppo. For this there seems little foundation, and their language, which has no affinities with Persian, Pushtu or Baluchi, must be, according to the most eminent scholars, classed among the Dravidian tongues of southern India. Probably the Brahuis are of Dravidian stock, a branch long isolated from their kindred and much Arabized, and thus exhibiting a marked hybridism.

    Please read my articles on on each of the poits mentioned in the begiining of the post.

    Also refer my posts on Akkadian Kings,Egypt, Sumerian connections with Tamils.

    Citation and reference.

    http://inthecirclesoflife.blogspot.in/2009/05/elamites-sri-lankan-tamils.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Valley_Civilization

  • Irungovel Tamil King And Hoysalas Founder The Same

    Apart from the well known Kings of Tamil Nadu there were some other Kings in Tamil Nadu of yore.

    One such is Irungovel, who ruled over the western part of Tamil Nadu not covered by the Chera Kings.

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    Hoysla Kingdom.

    The area corresponds roughly the area surrounding Coimbatore extending  to Dharmapuiri.

    It is also interesting to note that King Pari who ruled around this area belongs to Velir Community.

    This community was brought from Dwaraka when or after Dwaraka was sinking or a little before or a little after( with those who remained the deluge) by Sage Agastya.

    Some intriguing points.

    1.The time frame mentioned and the reference found in Nachinarkkiniyar , a famous Tamil commentator of Sangam Literature.

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    Sangam Tamil poets composed over 2000 poems. Purananuru is an encyclopaedia of Tamil culture. It has got less than 400 verses. Purananuru verse 201 was composed by Kapilar two thousand years ago. This is a very important verse in Purananuru. It throws much light on early Indian History. Kapilar talks about 49th generation of Irungovel. Famous Tamil Commentator Nachinarkiniyar , who lived several hundred years ago, gave a very interesting story about this verse.

    Nachinarkiniyar said that Agastya brought 12 tribes from Dwaraka ruled by Lord Krishna. Another city in the name of Dwaraka was founded in Karnataka (Mysore) state in the twelfth century. There is an interesting story about how and who founded this city. Hoychalas were the kings who ruled from this city.Hoychala is translated into Tamil asPulikadimal which is found in verse 201.

    Chala was a king belonging to Yadu dynasty. While he was hunting in the Western Ghats, he saw a hare heroically fighting with a tiger. This made him to think that this place must have some special importance. When he followed the fighting tiger and hare, an ascetic who was doing penance ordered king Chala to kill the tiger. The ascetic’s order in Sanskrit was “Hatham Hoy Chala”. So from that day on wards the king and his descendants were called Hoychalas. If the verse 201 refers to this anecdote then it must have happened 2000 years ago.

    This is reinforced by the Temples dedicated to Hindu Gods by the Hoysalas in Karnataka.

    Kannadigas from Yadava Tribe

    This King could have been called as Irungovel in Tamil and Hoysala in Karnataka.

    The area in question is around the present border of Tamil Nadu and Karnataka.

    2.Tamil Literature speaks of a King who was born of a Yaaga in Dwaraka and the city of Dwaraka was enclosed by Copper walls.

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    We know that Dwaraka and Gujarat present a very rich archeological source for IVC. The contention of Dr Parpola and the Dravidian politicians of Tamilnadu is that Tamils have descended form the IVC locations of North India. The verse by poet Kapilar in fact traces the origins of the King IrungoveL to Dwaraka. He says that he belonged to the 49th generation of the king who was born of the Sacrificial Fire conducted by the sage of the North. This king ruled Dwaraka, so says the poet. Reserving the other details of this verse for a future post, I am now concentrating on another description in that song.

    ( There is another interpretation on the interpretatiion of  the term Sacrificial fire

    Kapilar describes Dwaraka as being surrounded by walls made of copper.

    நீயே, வடபால் முனிவன் தடவினுள் தோன்றிச்,
    செம்பு புனைந்து இயற்றிய சேண்நெடும் புரிசை,
    உவரா ஈகைத், துவரை ஆண்டு,
    நாற்பத்து ஒன்பது வழிமுறை வந்த
    வேளிருள் வேளே!
    This means “O king IrungoveL! you were the 49th king in the lineage of the king, who was born of the sacrificial fire conducted by the sage and ruled Dwarka which was surrounded by long / tall walls of copper.”

    From the commentary that Dr U.Ve.Sa found out form the palm leaf manuscripts :-
    “நீ தான் வட பக்கத்து முனிவனுடைய ஓம குண்டத்தின் கண் தோன்றிச் செம்பால் புனைத்து செய்தாலொத்த சேய்மையை உடைத்தாகிய நெடிய மதிலை உடைய துவராவதி என்னும் படை வீட்டை ஆண்டு, வெறுப்பில்லாத கொடையினை உடையராய் நாற்பத்தொன்பது தலைமுறை தொன்றுபட்டு வந்த வேள்களுள் வைத்து வேளாய்உள்ளாய்!”..

     

     ‘This king was not in Dwaraka when Kapilar met him and sang this verse. He was ruling some part of the western ghats in present day’s Karnataka. This Vel’s kingdom was different from the Tamil lands of the 3 kings (Chera, Chola and Pandya). The next verse was on the same king sung by Kapilar in which he describes his land in the hills.
    This king’s palace was not surrounded by walls of copper. Copper walls were there in the kingdom of his ancestors in Dwaraka.Assuming that 3 kings lived per century, we can say that 1600 years have passed by the time this 49th king had come into being. The period of this king is not exactly known, but can be deciphered from Kapilar’s other connections. Kapilar was a close friend of another VeL king, Paari who was killed by the 3 Tamil kings. Kapilar took care of Parri’s orphaned daughters and approached another Vel king, IrungoveL to request him to marry the two daughters of Paari. This verse contains that request.

    If we know the time period of Paari, we can ascertain the original period of the king of Dwaraka mentioned in this verse.
    Paari and other Vel kings were regarded as the 3rd and last group of Patrons (கடை ஏழு வள்ளல்கள்).

    The Vel lineage seems to have ended by the time Silapapdhikaram was written.

    Silappadhikaram is about the Cheran king Neduncheralaathan (நெடுஞ்சேரலாதன்) who brought the stone from Himalayas to construct a temple for Kannagi. He conquered kings of the North and brought them as prisoners (They were made to carry the stone).

    He later released them and ordered his deputy to keep them in the palace of the Vel king, by name Aavikko (வேளாவிக்கோ).

    (Silapapdhikaaram chapter 28 )

    “வஞ்சி மூதூர் புறத்துத்
    தாழ் நீர் வேலித் தன மலர்ப் பூம்பொழில்
    வேளாவிக்கோ மாளிகை காட்டி”

    The king showed the palace of Velaavikko surrounded by cool waters and gardens in the city of Vanji (his capital city).

    (Vanji is perhaps Kochi of Kerala.)

    From this we can say that the Vels were there before 2nd century AD.
    1600 years before that period coincides with the time of Dwarkan excavations given by Prof S.R Rao on Bet Dwaraka.
    Bet Dwaraka was a later-built city which is dated at 1520 BC by Prof Rao


    Details in this link :-

    http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/mp/2002/11/20/stories/2002112000450200.htm

    This date does not coincide with Krishna‘s date as we saw in the previous post in this series. Krishna‘s time precedes by another 1500 years.

    Krishna’s Dwaraka could have been very much under the sea as there is marine archeological proof of very old habitations – now sunken – of a period, 5000 years to 7500 years ago.

    The Vel king of this sangam verse might have had his lineage traced to the Dwarakan king of Bet Dwaraka.’

    The king could have been the descendant of Krishna’s.

    3.Krishna’s dynasty listing 71 Generations of Krishna lists Shatasena as the 71 st King and Krishna comes at 64th.

    Assuming 3 Kings for every hundred years Shatasena fits the bill.

    More interesting is the fact that was he  Krishna’s son through Jambavathi, who is listed as Satyajit?

    71 generations of Krishna

    The area where Jambhavathi and her father lived was Kishkinta, now confirmed as Hampi  and surrounding areas in Karnataka.

    Possible that he conquered these areas later called as Velir Areas in Tamil Nadu?

    4.Irungovel and Hoysalas were the same or one is the descendant of the  other?

    It may be noted that both the Velirs and the Hoyasals were at war with the Cholas initially.

    One must remember tat there were no linguistic divisions of India.

    5.This Irungovel might have been around by  1800 BC .

    Citation and references.

    http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2010/07/copper-in-harappa-dwaraka-and-in-sangam.html

     * This is an exploratory view,Please send in inputs.

  • Tank Built By A Lakh Men 1100Years Ago Feeds Chennai

    While we keep questioning about the antiquity of our culture,dismissing them as Myths/legends we keep using the facilities built by them for our daily use even today.

    I can make out a long list of them.

    In this first article let me look at the reservoir, Lake built around AD, which quenches Chennai’s thirst.( a Metro in India).

    This Lake, located 14 km (8.7 mi) SSW of Chidambaram in Cuddalore district in the state of Tamil Nadu in South India. 1 km (0.62 mi) from Sethiyathope., 235 km (146 mi) from Chennai, India.

    Veeranam Reservoir which has a capacity of 1.5 thousand million cubic feet (tmcft), supplies 180 million litres a day (MLD) to the city.

    Who Built this Lake?

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    Veeranam Reservoir, near Chennai.

    Veeranam Lake was built in the Tenth Century during the time of Greater Cholas, from 907–955 AD, by Rajadithya Chola.

    The Rashtrakutas under Krishna III mounted multiple invasions into the Chola territories between 940 and 950 A.D. In order to ward of the attacks, Rajaditya stationed himself at Takkōlam along with his troops during the latter part of his reign.

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    Veeranam Location.

    Rajadithya was appointed by his father Parantaka Chola 1 in charge of Northern Territory of the Chola.

    Rajadithya had over 100,000 Men constituting his army and he did not want to keep them idle.

    He made them build a Lake, called Veerananarayna Lake, named after the Presiding Deity  Lord Vishnu in Cuddalore/Thiruppadithiripuliyur.

    He also carried out works in the temple.

    In the 1830s, (later Sir) Arthur Cotton, the engineer who later harnessed the waters of the Krishna and Godavari, studied the tank in detail. He noted that there was no serious defect in the tank (this, 900 years after it was constructed)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veeranam_Lake

     

     

     

  • Chola King List From 3020 BC

    The Tamil Kingdoms run parallel to Puranic Timelines and the Puranas, Ramayana and Mahabharata mention these kings in various places, Damayanthi/Sita/Draupadi Swayamvara,Krishna/Arjuna marrying a Pandyan Princess,Shahadeva/Balarama pilgrimage to South,import of spices and elephant tusks.Agastya’s visit to South…..

     

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    Thanjavur Big Temple

    I am providing a list of Cholas from 3020 BCE based on Puranas and the evidence from the copperplates,Chola Inscriptions belonging to Chola period.

    Even this may not be accurate as Chera King Udiyan Cheralaathan , Chola and Pandya Kings took part in the Kurukshetra war in the Mahabharata.

    As Ramayana also refers to these Kings the date may be pushed back to somewhere around 5000 BC.

    List of Chola Kings as indicated by Puranas.

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    • Eri Oliyan Vaendhi C. 3020 BCE
    • Maandhuvaazhi C. 2980 BCE
    • El Mei Nannan C. 2945 BCE
    • Keezhai Kinjuvan C. 2995 BCE
    • Vazhisai Nannan C. 2865 BCE
    • Mei Kiyagusi Aerru C. 2820 BCE
    • Aai Kuzhi Agusi Aerru C. 2810 BCE
    • Thizhagan Maandhi C. 2800 BCE
    • Maandhi Vaelan C. 2770 BCE
    • Aai Adumban C. 2725 BCE
    • Aai Nedun jaet chozha thagaiyan C. 2710 BCE
    • El Mei Agguvan a.k.a. Keezh nedu mannan C. 2680 BCE
    • Mudiko Mei Kaalaiyam Thagaiyan C. 2650 BCE
    • Ilangok keezh kaalaiyan thagaiyan a.k.a. Ilangeezh nannan C. 2645 BCE -start of Kadamba lineage by his brother Aai Keezh Nannan
    • Kaalaiyan gudingyan C. 2630 BCE
    • Nedun gaalayan dhagayan C. 2615 BCE
    • Vaengai nedu vael varaiyan C.2614 BCE
    • Vaet kaal kudingyan C. 2600 BCE
    • Maei Ila vael varaiyan C. 2590 BCE
    • Sibi Vendhi C. 2580 BCE
    • Paru nonji chaamazhingyan C. 2535 BCE
    • Vaeqratrtri chembiya chozhan C. 2525 BCE
    • Saamazhi chozhiya vaelaan C. 2515 BCE
    • Uthi ven gaalai thagan C. 2495 BCE
    • Nannan that kaalai thagan C. 2475 BCE
    • Vel vaen mindi C. 2445 BCE
    • Nedun jembiyan C. 2415 BCE
    • Nedu nonji Vendhi C. 2375 BCE
    • Maei Vael paqratrtri C. 2330 BCE
    • Aai Perun thoan nonji C. 2315 BCE
    • Kudiko pungi C. 2275 BCE
    • Perun goep poguvan C. 2250 BCE
    • Koeth thatrtri C. 2195 BCE
    • Vadi sembiyan C. 2160 BCE
    • Aalam poguvan C. 2110 BCE
    • Nedun jembiyan C. 2085 BCE
    • Perum paeyar poguvan C. 2056 BCE
    • Kadun jembiyan C. 2033 BCE
    • Nedun kathan C. 2015 BCE
    • Paru nakkan C. 1960 BCE
    • Vani sembiyan C. 1927 BCE
    • Udha chira mondhuvan C. 1902 BCE
    • Perun kaththan C. 1875 BCE
    • Kadun kandhalan C. 1860 BCE
    • Nakka monjuvan C. 1799 BCE
    • Maarko vael Maandhuvan Aaththikko C. 1786 BCE
    • Musukunthan Vaendhi C. 1753 BCE
    • Peru nakkan Thatrtri C. 1723 BCE
    • Vaer kaththan C. 1703 BCE
    • Ambalaththu Irumundruvan C. 1682 BCE
    • Kaari mondhuvan C. 1640 BCE
    • Vennakkan Thatrtri C. 1615 BCE
    • Maarko chunthuvan C. 1565 BCE
    • Vaer parunthoan mundruvan C. 1520 BCE
    • Udhan kaththan C. 1455 BCE
    • Kaariko sunthuvan C. 1440 BCE
    • Vendri nungunan C. 1396 BCE
    • Mondhuvan Vendhi C. 1376 BCE
    • Kaandhaman C. 1359 BCE
    • Mundruvan Vendhi C. 1337 BCE
    • Kaandhaman C. 1297 BCE
    • Monjuvan Vendhi C. 1276 BCE
    • Ani sembiyan C. 1259 BCE
    • Nungunan Vendhi C. 1245 BCE
    • Maarkop perum Cenni C. 1229 BCE
    • Monjuvan Nanvendhi C. 1180 BCE
    • Kop perunar chenni C. 1170 BCE
    • Monthuvan jembiyan C. 1145 BCE
    • Narchenni C. 1105 BCE
    • Caet chembiyan C. 1095 BCE
    • Nakkar chenni C. 1060 BCE
    • Parun jembiyan C.1045 BCE
    • Venjenni C. 998 BCE
    • Musugunthan C. 989 BCE
    • Maarkop perun jembiyan C. 960 BCE
    • Nedunjenni C.935 BCE
    • Thatchembiyan C. 915 BCE
    • Ambalaththu iruvaer chembiyan C. 895 BCE
    • Kaariko chenni C. 865 BCE
    • Venvaer chenni C. 830 BCE
    • Kaandhaman, C. 788 BCE
    • Kaandhalan C. 721 BCE
    • Caetchenni C. 698 BCE
    • Vani nungunan C. 680 BCE
    • Mudhu sembiyan Vendhi C. 640 BCE
    • Peelan jembiyach chozhiyan C. 615 BCE
    • Maeyan gadungo C. 590 BCE
    • Thiththan C. 570 BCE
    • Perunar killi Porvaiko C. 515 BCE
    • Kadu mundruvan C. 496 BCE
    • Kopperunjozhan C. 495 BCE
    • Narkilli Mudiththalai C. 480 BCE
    • Thevvan go chozhan C. 465 BCE
    • Naran jembiyan C. 455 BCE
    • Nakkam peela valavan C. 440 BCE
    • Iniyan thevvan jenni C. 410 BCE
    • Varcembiyan C. 395BCE
    • Nedun jembiyan C. 386 BCE
    • Nakkan aran jozhan C. 345 BCE
    • Ambalathu irungoch chenni C. 330 BCE
    • Perunar killi C. 316 BCE
    • Kochaet Cenni C. 286 BCE
    • Cerupazhi Erinda Ilanjaetcenni, C. 275 BCE
    • Nedungop perunkilli C. 220 BCE
    • Cenni Ellagan C. 205 BCE
    • Perun gilli C. 165 BCE
    • Kopperun jozhiyav ilanjaetcenni C. 140 BCE
    • Perunar killi Mudiththalai ko C. 120 BCE
    • PerumpootCenni C. 100 BCE
    • Ilam perunjenni C. 100 BCE
    • Perungilli Vendhi aka Karikaalan I C. 70 BCE
    • Nedumudi Killi C. 35 BCE
    • Ilavanthigaipalli Thunjiya Maei Nalangilli Caet Cenni, C. 20 BCE
    • Aai Vaenalangilli C. 15 BCE
    • Uruvapakraer Ilanjaetcenni, C. 10 – 16 CE
    • 16–30 CE Kingdom ruled by a series of Uraiyur chieftains
    • Karikaalan II Peruvalaththaan, C. 31 CE
    • Vaer paqradakkai Perunar killi, C. 99 CE
    • Perun thiru mavalavan, Kuraapalli Thunjiya C. 99 CE
    • Nalangilli C. 111 CE
    • Perunarkilli, Kula mutrtraththu Thunjiya C. 120 CE
    • Perunarkilli, Irasasuya vaetta C. 143 CE
    • Vael kadunkilli C. 192 CE
    • Kochenganaan C. 220 CE
    • Nalluruththiran C. 245 CE

    Based on Chola Inscriptions.

    • Manu
    • Ikshvaku
    • Vikukshi
    • Puranjaya
    • Kakutstha
    • Kakshivat
    • Aryaman
    • Analapratapa
    • Vena
    • Prithu
    • Dhundhumara
    • Yuvanasva
    • Mandhata
    • Muchukunda
    • Valabha
    • Prithulaksha
    • Parthivachudamani
    • Dirghabahu
    • Chandrajit
    • Sankriti
    • Panchapa
    • Satyavrata
    • Rudrajit
    • Sibi
    • Marutta
    • Dushyanta
    • Bharata
    • Cholavarman
    • Rajakesarivarman
    • Parakesarin
    • Chitraratha
    • Chitrasva
    • Chitradhanvan
    • Suraguru
    • Chitraratha
    • Vyaghraketu
    • Narendrapati
    • Vasu
    • Visvajit
    • Perunatkilli
    • Karikala
    • Kochchengannan

    Please read my posts on Cholas from Kasyapa Gotra, Sibi, Cholas from Ikshvaku Dynasty.

    For more articles on Cholas ,please Google Cholas+ramanan50.

     

    Citation and reference.

    http://america.pink/legendary-early-chola-kings_2572689.html

  • Krishna Lifts Mountain Indra Vizha By Early Cholas

    Tamil Kingdoms date back before 3 BC which is normally assigned to it,

    The fact that Silappadikaram, one of the Five Great Epics has been dated at 3 BC, Karikal Chola around 195 BC buttress the claim that the Chola Dynasty should have been ruling much earlier.

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    Krishna Lifts Govardhana Giri.

    The fact that the Puranas and the Ithihasas Ramayana and Mahabharata mention about Spices, elephant tusks being imported from the South ( Vedas also mention this) , Tamil Kings Participated in the Swayamvara of Damayanthi,which was earlier to Ramayana;these Kings participated in the Swayamvaras of Sita and Draupai;Krishna married a Pandyan princess, had a daughter through her;Arjuna married a Pandyan Princess;Balarama visited the South, worshiped Devi at Kanyakumari , worshiped Murugan(Subrahmanya) and met Parashurama….

    all this point to the fact that the Tamils were very much in existence much before the date that has been assigned to them

    Added to this is the Mount Toba ash in Jwalapuram, Kurnool and a Million year old site belonging to advanced Tamil Tamil civilization being found in Chennai add strength to this view.

    Now one more piece of evidence.

    Lord Krishna saved the Yadavas from the Deluge, initiated by Indra, God of Thunder because the Yadavas, at the behest of Lord Krishna did not perform the annual Festival worshiping him.

    This, Krishna did by lifting the Govardhana Giri( mountain)

    Later Indra apologized to Krishna ,crowned Him and addressed Krishna as Govinda .

    The name Govinda is very dear to Krishna?Vishnu.

    This festival, one understands from the Tamil Epic Silappathikaram was conducted in the South by the Tamil Kings.

    I had earlier written in the Post about about Karikal Chola that this Festival called Indra Vizha, Festival of Indra was introduced by him.

    A reader pointed out this Indra Vizha was introduced earlier and I checked.

    He is right.

    Records say that this Festival Indra Vizha was introduced by an early Chola King Thodithol Chola at the behest of Sage Agastya.

    I had shown Sage Agastya’s date  to be around 5000 years earlier, based on the movement of Star Canopus, Agastya Nakshatra.

    I shall write more on the antiquity of Tamil Kings.

    The Cholas lineage is from the Puranic times and the Cholas were related to Virata Kings( Currently the area is Rajasthan).

    More to follow on this.

    ‘he Marudam region (area of the plains) Tamil agriculturists used to worship Indra as their Lord. Indra was considered as the god of the rains and since the farmers were dependent on rains for their crops, they used to worship Indra for rain, thunder and lightening.

    There were many festivals celebrated in ancient India and references of them can be found in the ancient works like Vishnudhetrmottara Purana, and the Bhagavata Purana. This practice was prevalent in Tamil Nadu also. One such festival is known as `Indra Vizha`. The Chola kings whose port-city was Kaveripum-pattinam used to take the responsibility of this festival.

    The detailed information on the celebration of `Indra Vizha` festival can be seen in the Tamil epics, the `Silappadikaram` and the `Manimekhalai`. As per the Manimekhalai, the famous sage Agastya helped the people of Kaveripumpattinam during a period of drought. He advised the Chola king Todittol Sembian to celebrate a festival for Indra to please him and then only Indra would bring rain to this city. According to the advice, the king arranged a big festival for the Lord Indra. In return, they got rain in the city and experienced the benefits of this, his successors also continued to celebrate this festival every year. This `Indra Vizha` festival generally continues for a period of twenty-eight days.

    The festival usually commenced with a group beating drums and announcing to the people the start of the celebrations. The citizens of the town then cleaned the streets and roads and redecorate the city, with each house being adorned with many decorations. The officials of the kingdom would pay their respects to the king and wish him and the kingdom well. Musical performances would be held and the fire oblations offered in many temples for Siva, Vishnu and other deities. The festival ended with people bathing in the sea with the members of the family. It was generally believed that this festival was actually a prayer to Indra, and would remove the difficulties and dangers to those who celebrate it.’

    ‘The Sangam literature also records legends about mythical Chola kings.These myths speak of the Chola king Kantaman, a supposed contemporary of the sage Agastya, whose devotion brought the river Kaveri into existence. Two names are prominent among those Chola kings known to have existed who feature in Sangam literature: Karikala Chola and Kocengannan. There are no sure means of settling the order of succession, of fixing their relations with one another and with many other princelings of around the same period.Urayur (now a part of Thiruchirapalli) was their oldest capital. Kaveripattinam also served as an early Chola capital. The Mahavamsa mentions that an ethnic Tamil adventurer, a Chola prince known as Elara, invaded the island around 235 BCE.

    Citations and references.

    http://m.indianetzone.com/artical.aspx?iwebpageid=11753

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chola_dynasty#Origins