Tag: Vedas

  • How Much Do You Trust God

    How Much Do You Trust God

    Faith Sustains, Cures, while Reason seeks out explanations.

    For those in critical situations, solution to the problem is importnt than the explanations or the rationale.

    Help reaches out to those who have Faith, I have seen.

    It may not be some thing unnatural or something akin toa miracle.

    It could be by an unexpected turn of events , help from an unexpected source or from a Stranger.

    Then how come that even for those who have Faith, help does not arrive many a time?

    The answer is your return is directly proportional to your investment , in this case , the intensity of Faith.

    Krishna says in the Bhagavad Gita that total, unconditional surrender would beckon Him.

    In the Karna Mantra He states,

    Sarva Dharman Parthyajyasya Maamekam Charanam Vraja,’

    The correct meaning is,

    for those who abandon all actions and seek Refuge in Me alone.

    He did not come to the aid of Draupadi,also called Krishnai,who was being stripped in an open Hall, though she was crying out to Krishna , at the same time holding on to her clothes.

    He came to her when she freed her hands , threw her hands up!

    When Tirunavukkarasar( Tamil Saint), called Appar, was  thrown out into the sea with a stone tied around him, he sang,

    சொற்றுணை வேதியன் சோதி வானவன் 
    பொற்றுணைத் திருந்தடி பொருந்தக் கைதொழக் 
    கற்றுணைப் பூட்டியோர் கடலிற் பாய்ச்சினும் 
    நற்றுணை யாவது நமச்சி வாயவே. 				4.11.1  Thevaram. by Appar.
    
    
    Even if you are thrown into the Ocean with a stone around you,
    
    Nama Sivaya, the word of One, Who is,
    
    The Protector of the Word, Vedas,
    
    The Eternal Flame of the Heavens,
    
    For those who worship His feet'
    
    He, The Refuge ,Constant Companion.
    
    This is Thirunavukkarasar's approach.
    
    What does Abhirami Bhattar have to say on this?
    
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    அன்றே தடுத்து என்னை ஆண்டுகொண்டாய், கொண்டது அல்ல என்கை
    நன்றே உனக்கு? இனி நான் என் செயினும் நடுக்கடலுள்
    சென்றே விழினும், கரையேற்றுகை நின் திருவுளமோ.-
    ஒன்றே, பல உருவே, அருவே, என் உமையவளே. Abhirami 30

    அபிராமி அன்னையே! என் உமையவளே! நான் பாவங்களைச் செய்வதற்கு முன்பே என்னை தடுத்தாட் கொண்டவளே! நான் பாவங்களையே செய்தாலும், நடுக்கடலில் சென்று வீழ்ந்தாலும், அதனின்று காப்பது நின் கடைமையாகும். என்னை ஈடேற்ற முடியாது என்று சொன்னால் நன்றாகாது. இனி உன் திருவுளம்தான் என்னைக் கரை ஏற்ற வேண்டும் (பந்தபாசக் கடலில் இருந்து முக்திக் கரை ஏற்றுதல்). ஒன்றாகவும், பலவாகவும், விளங்குகின்ற என் உமையவளே!

    Mother Abhirami,The One who appears as Many,

    You have prevented me from committing Sins and taken over long back,

    If I commit sins even now, and I fall in the deep ocean.

    It is your Job to take care,

    நன்றே வருகினும், தீதே விளைகினும், நான் அறிவது
    ஒன்றேயும் இல்லை, உனக்கே பரம்: எனக்கு உள்ளம் எல்லாம்
    அன்றே உனது என்று அளித்து விட்டேன்:- அழியாத குணக்
    குன்றே, அருட்கடலே, இமவான் பெற்ற கோமளமே. Abhrami Andhadi 90

    ஏ, அபிராமி! அழியாத குணக்குன்றே! அருட்கடலே! மலையரசன் பெற்றெடுத்த அழகிய கோமள வல்லியே! எனக்கு உரிமை என்று எப்பொருளும் இல்லை. அனைத்தையும் அன்றே உன்னுடையதாக்கி விட்டேன். இனி எனக்கு நல்லதே வந்தாலும், தீமையே விளைந்தாலும், அவற்றை உணராது விருப்பு, வெறுப்பற்றவனாவேன். இனி என்னை உனக்கே பரம் என்று ஆக்கினேன்.

    Let auspiciousness strike me or that which is painful,

    I have no idea nor I know of it,

    It’s all yours,

    For I have you given you all that is supposed to be Mine, including my Mind,

    Abhirami, Daughter of The Himalayas,The Ocean of  Graciousness,’

  • Brother Vishnu Gifts Sister River Cauvery Flooding July August

    Brother Vishnu Gifts Sister River Cauvery Flooding July August

    If the approach of Hinduism to God at a personal level , by treating God as Father, Mother, Sister,Brother …..even as a Lover by Humans, it is more interesting to hear Gods engaged in Human like Relationships among themselves.

    This becomes exquisite when Tamil joins hands with Sanskrit and Sanatana Dharma in expressing Piety and Love of God.

    We have Lord Shiva calling a  Saint , a Lady, Karaikkal Ammayaar as Mother.

    During the month of Adi, Aashada, July/August when the Monsoon is in full flow in South India, the River Cauvery is in spate.

    This normally occurs on the 18th of Tamil month Adi .

    On this day, Lord Renganatha , Sri Rangam visites His sister River Cauvery at Amma Mantapam, Sri Rangam/Tiruchi and offers her His ‘Cheer’-brother’s Gift to Sister!

    On this day, the Utsava Murthy, Renganatha arrives at Amma mantapam with His gifts for His sister Cauvery,

    Renganatha, Srirangam, Vishnu Offers Gifts River Cauvery.jpg Renganatha, Srirangam, Vishnu Offers Gifts River Cauvery.

    Turmeric powder, symbol of auspiciousness,

    Kumkum,

    Bangles,

    New Saree.

    All these are kept in a Muram(normally used for sifting impurities in Grains), signifying that only the best is offered)

    The materials are carried by the Temple elephant.

    They are then kept in front of the Renganatha Idol.

    Then the Temple elephant shall take the Muram with the materials and leave them in  Cauvery by getting into the river!

  • Shankar Mutts By Shankaracharya Four Vedas

    Shankar Mutts By Shankaracharya Four Vedas

    Those who know a little of Sanskrit and Hinduism would know what an Intellectual Giant Adi Shankaracharya was.

    But not many know the logic that has gone behind his establishing the four Mutts.

    He chose four directions to found the Mutts.

    Shishya
    (lineage)
    Direction Maṭha Mahāvākya Veda Sampradaya
    Padmapāda East Govardhana Pīṭhaṃ Prajñānam brahma (Consciousness is Brahman) Rig Veda Bhogavala
    Sureśvara South Sringeri Śārada Pīṭhaṃ Aham brahmāsmi (I am Brahman) Yajur Veda Bhūrivala
    Hastāmalakācārya West Dvāraka Pīṭhaṃ Tattvamasi (That thou art) Sama Veda Kitavala
    Toṭakācārya North Jyotirmaṭha Pīṭhaṃ Ayamātmā brahma (This Atman is Brahman) Atharva Veda Nandavala

    All the Four Vedas are represented

    Padmapadacharya (fl. 8th century CE) was an Indian philosopher, a follower of Adi Shankara.

    Padmapāda’s dates are unknown, but modern scholarship places his life around the middle of the 8th century; similarly information about him comes mainly from hagiographies. What is known for certain is that he was a direct disciple of Shankara, of whom he was a younger contemporary. Padmapada was the first head of Puri Govardhana matha. He is believed to have founded a math by name Thekke Matham in Thrissur, Kerala. Keralites believe that he was a Nambuthiri belonging to Vemannillom, though according to textual sources he was from the Chola region in South India.

    Sureśvara (also known as Sureśvarācārya, c. 750 CE) was an Indian philosopher, who studied under Śankara. Śankara is said to have entrusted to Sureśvara his first monastic institution, the Sringeri Sharada Peetham. Suresvara is believed to have founded the famous Naduvil Matham in Thrissur…

    Little is known for sure about Sureśvara’s life. According to a strong tradition within Advaita Vedānta, before he became a disciple of Śankara, Sureśvara was known as Maņdana Miśra, a Mīmāmsāka. After being defeated in debate by Śankara, Miśra renounced his life as a householder, and became a sannyāsin. Whether this Maņdana Miśra was the same as the author of Brahmasiddhi is questioned by modern scholars, on the basis of textual analysis.

    Hastamalakacharya (IAST Hastāmalakācārya) (c. 8th century CE) was a disciple of Adi Shankara, the Advaita philosopher. He was made the first Jagadguru (head) of the Dvāraka Pīṭhaṃ, the monastery founded by Adi Shankara in Dwaraka. Hastamalaka founded a matha by name Idayil Matham in Thrissur, Kerala.

    The Mādhavīya Śaṃkaravijayam states that when Adi Shankara was at Kollur, he accepted invitations by brāhmaņas to have Bhikşa (alms or food) at their houses. On such an occasion he visited a village called Śrī Bali (present day Shivalli), where every house was said to emit the holy smell of the smoke of Agnihotra sacrifice, to accept Bhikşa. That place was inhabited by about two thousand brāhmaņas who were learned in the Vedas and performed the Yajnas prescribed in the Vedas. There was also a temple dedicated to Shiva and Parvati.

    In that village there lived a brāhmaņa, Prabhākara, who was noted for his learning. He had a son who though appearing quite handsome, behaved rather like an idiot. Though upanayanam was performed for him, he did not take to studying the Vedas, instead preferred to sit around doing nothing. Hearing about Adi Shankara’s visit, Prabhākara approached the Acharya (teacher) with a load of fruit and prostrated before him. He also made his son prostrate before him. Prabhākara explained to Adi Shankara that his son behaved rather like an idiot and sat idly throughout the day.

    Then, Adi Shankara addressed that young boy and asked him who he was. The boy replied in 12 verses containing the gist of theAdvaita philosophy.Thus Adi Shankara was immensely impressed with him and accepted him as his disciple. He was named Hastāmalaka (one with the amalaka fruit in his hand) since the knowledge of the Self was natural to him like an Amalaka fruit in one’s hand. Adi Shankara took the boy into his party and started towards his next destination..

    Totakacharya (IAST Toṭakācārya) (c. 8th century CE) was a disciple of Ādi Śaṅkara, the Advaita philosopher. He was made the first Jagadguru (head) of the Jyotirmaṭha Pīthaṃ, the northern maṭha founded by Ādi Śaṅkara near Badrinath. He founded a maṭha by name Vadakke Matham in Thrissur, Kerala…

    he Mādhavīya Śaṅkaravijayam states that when Ādi Śaṅkara was at Śṛṅgeri, he met a boy named Giri. Ādi Śaṅkara accepted the boy as his disciple. Giri was a hard-working and loyal servant of his Guru, Ādi Śaṅkara, though he did not appear bright to the other disciples. One day, Giri was washing his Guru’s clothes, when Ādi Śaṅkara sat down to begin a lesson on Advaita Vedānta. He however did not start the lesson saying he was waiting for Giri to come back from his chores and singing lessons. At this, Padmapada pointed to a wall and said that it would be the same if Ādi Śaṅkara taught to this dumb object as he taught to Giri. Now, Ādi Śaṅkara wanted to reward Giri for his loyalty and devotion. Thus he mentally granted Giri the complete knowledge of all the śāstras (sciences). The enlightened Giri composed extempore the Toṭākāṣṭakam, a Sanskrit poem in the toṭaka metre, in praise of the Guru Ādi Śaṅkara. Thus the dumb disciple Giri became Toṭākācārya.

    Look at the way Shankaracharya appointed Pontiffs, from deep south to west and from North to South.

    And three of these Mutts  fall into a pattern of being in the same latitude.

    Geographically speaking the char Dham make a perfect square with Badrinath and Rameswaram falling on the same longitude and Dwarka (old) and Puri on the same latitude, representing the farthest north, east, west, and south points of India (at that time, before coastlines changed)

    Badrinath, coordinates. Longitude.

    79.49481879999996

    Rameshwaram Longitiude.

    79.31292910000002

    Dwaraka latitude.

    22.2441975

    Puri Latitude.

    19.8133822

    * Present alignment.

    Citations.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Char_Dham

    http://www.distancesfrom.in/odisha/puri-latitude-longitude/46.html

  • Kumarikandam, Lemuria Are Not the Same

    While one reads about the lost continents of Lemuria and Kumarikandam, one is likely to assume that both are the same.

    This is due to the hazy impression one gets about the Tsunami that was the cause for the massive upheaval in the south of the Vindhyas, the Dravida Desa.

    Geographical Position of Mu.jpg Geographical Position of Mu.

     

    Lemuria, Map.jpg hypothetical sketch of the monophyletic origin and extension of the twelve races of Man from Lemuria over Earth.” From Haeckel, Natürliche Schöpfungsgeschichte, Plate XV. Note the differences in the German version (1868) without Lemuria and the English version (1876) with Lemuria, after 1870 Haeckel adopted and promoted the idea of a sunken continent in the Indian Ocean.

    There  (three?) were two Tsunamis mentioned in the Tamil Classics, Silappadikaram, Manimeghalai and Jivaka Chintamani.

    Since there were at least two references to Tsunamis and four references to earth quakes in Sangam Tamil and post Sangam Tamil verses we can be sure of some natural catastrophes. The reason for the doubts about their existence came from the big number of kings, big number of poets they sponsored and the years the kings ruled. If we take those years as exaggerated or coded language then we can reconcile the contradictions.

    Adirakku Nallar, the commentator of Tamil epic Cilappatikaram had given the geography of the Tamil Land that was devoured by the sea. He wrote that there were seven big areas and each one was divided into seven smaller areas. Seven is a sacred number for Hindus and this type of land division is already in Hindu mythologies. When the first Tamil Sangam at South Madurai went into the sea ,they moved south and established the second academy at Kapatapuram. When that was also devoured by the sea they moved further south and established the third Tamil Sangam in modern Madurai. During the second academy Tolkappiyam was written by Tolkappiyar. At present Tolkappiyam  is the oldest available Tamil work, which is grammar book. Scholars date it to first century BC or AD. Some kings and poets who were part of First (Murinjiyur Mudinagarayar) and Second Sangam wrote a few poems which are included in Sangam corpus of Tamil literature ( Panamparar, Kakkaipatiniyar).

    Any student of linguistics will easily find out that their poems were not very old as claimed by the commentator. The language of Tolkappiyam and verses by Muda Thirumaran (King during second Tamil Sangam) and Murinjiyur Mudinagarayar (First Tamil Sangam)betray their age. The language was not very different from other Sangam poems. If we apply the thumb rule followed by Max Muller to date the Vedic literature (two hundred years for language changes) both Tolkappiyam and other Sangam works will be grouped under the same period. Tolkappiyar himself indirectly says that he compiled whatever materials available at that time. He adds in hundreds of places the journalist’s cliché “they say”, “it is said that”. This makes it clear that he was not the one who wrote every bit of the book, but it was only a compilation. If we go by his language we can’t put him back any further than first century. His colleague Panamparar wrote the introduction (prefatory verse) for his treatise. His language was not archaic either.

    The commentator of “Iraiynar Agapporul” gives a full account of the three Tamil Sangams .In the background of this linguistic evidence and in the absence of any historical proof, the claim that the  First Tamil Sangam existed for 4400 years under  89 kings and 4449 poets composed poems wont command any credibility. It is the same story about Second Tamil Sangam which existed for 3750 years  under  59 kings and 3700 poets. The third Tamil Sangam existed for 1850 years.’….

    I am of the opinion that the dates mentioned around 1 Ad or even 5000 BC may not be correct, considering the references one finds about the Tamils in the Vedas,  when Rig-Veda has been dated around 5000 years ago, the date of Tamils should have been pushed earlier.

    Based on the evidence available about the two Tsunamis, it is quite probable, the break of the South, Tamil Nadu could have been in two phases.

    One when Lemuria got disengaged from the Indian Mass.

    The other, Kumarikandam.

    Considering the facts that,

    Manu Precede Daksha,

    This Manu, of Kali Yuga, Satyavrata Manu, migrated from the South to Ayodhya,

    Manu’s are for Manvantaras and hence precede the known history,

    Shiva worship was present in the South even before the Tsunamis,

    The relics of Shiva Ganesha and Murugan are found in the Middle east, Europe, Americas, Russia and Africa,

    Vishnu relics are found in New Zealand and Australia,

    it is probable that these two landmasses  were separated b considerable length of Time.

    I am looking into which one was submerged earlier b referring ti archeological, Astronomical and linguistic evidence from various cultures from the East and West of the Present India.

    Lemuria or Mu is the name of a hypothetical continent that allegedly existed in one of Earth’s oceans, but disappeared at the dawn of human history. The concept and the name were proposed by 19th century traveler and writer Augustus Le Plongeon, (1825-1908), who claimed that several ancient civilizations, such as those of Egypt and Mesoamerica, were created by refugees from Mu – which he located in the Atlantic Ocean. Egypt was founded by Queen Moo, a refugee from the land’s demise. Other refugees supposedly fled to Central America and became the Mayans.

    After his investigations of the Maya ruins in Yucatan, Le Plongeon claimed that he had translated ancient Mayan writings, which supposedly showed that the Maya of Yucatan were older than the civilizations of Greece and Egypt, and additionally told the story of an even older continent. Le Plongeon actually got the name “Mu” from Charles Etienne Brasseur de Bourbourg who in 1864 mistranslated what was then called the Troano Codex using the de Landa alphabet. That was wrong as recent translations of the Troano Codex have shown it to be treaties on astrology. Brasseur believed that a word that he read as Mu referred to a land submerged by a catastrophe. Le Plongeon then identified this lost land with Atlantis, and turned it into a continent which had supposedly sunk into the Atlantic Ocean:..

    Churchward claimed that more than fifty years prior, while he was a soldier in India, he befriended a high-ranking temple priest who showed him a set of ancient “sunburnt” clay tablets, supposedly in a long lost “Naga-Maya language” which only two other people in India could read. Having mastered the language himself, Churchward found out that they originated from “the place where man first appeared – Mu.” The 1931 edition states that “all matter of science in this work are based on translations of two sets of ancient tablets:” the clay tables he read in India, and a collection 2,500 stone tablets that had been uncovered by William Niven in Mexico.

    Churchward gave a vivid description of Mu as the home of an advanced civilization, the Naacal, which flourished between 50,000 and 12,000 years ago, was dominated by a “white race” that was superior in many respects to our own. At the time of its demise, about 12,000 years ago, Mu had 64,000,000 inhabitants and many large cities, and colonies in the other continents.

    Churchward claimed that the landmass of Mu was located in the Pacific Ocean, and stretched east-west from the Marianas to Easter Island, and north-south from Hawaii to Mangaia. He claimed that according to the creation myth he read in the Indian tablets, Mu had been lifted above sea level by the expansion of underground volcanic gases. Eventually Mu was completely obliterated in almost a single night after a series of earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, “the broken land fell into that great abyss of fire” and was covered by “fifty millions of square miles of water.

    Churchward claimed that Mu was the common origin of the great civilizations of Egypt, Greece, Central America, India, Burma and others, including Easter Island, and was in particular the source of ancient megalithic architecture. As evidence for his claims, he pointed to symbols from throughout the world, in which he saw common themes of birds, the relation of the Earth and the sky, and especially the Sun. Churchward claims the king of Mu was Ra and he relates this to the Egyptian god of the sun, Ra, and the Rapanui word for Sun. He claimed to have found symbols of the Sun in Egypt, Babylonia, Peru and all ancient lands and countries – it was a universal symbol.

    Churchward attributed all megalithic art in Polynesia to the people of Mu. He claimed that symbols of the sun are found depicted on stones of Polynesian ruins, such as the stone hats (pukao) on top of the giant moai statues of Easter Island. Citing W.J. Johnson, Churchward describes the cylindrical hats as spheres that seem to show red in the distance, and asserts that they represent the Sun as Ra. He also incorrectly claimed that some of them are made of “red sandstone” which does not occur in the island. The platforms on which the statues rest (ahu) are described by Churchward as being platform-like accumulations of cut and dressed stone, which were supposedly left in their current positions awaiting shipment to some other part of the continent for the building of temples and palaces.He also cites the pillars erected by the Maori of New Zealand as an example of this lost civilization’s art work. In Churchward’s view, the present-day Polynesians are not descendants of the dominant members of the lost civilization of Mu, responsible for these great works, but survivors of the cataclysm that adopted the first cannibalism and savagery in the world.

    Churchward’s Books

    Volume 1The Lost Continent of Mu set out Churchward’s theory utilizing a “vast knowledge of science, ancient art and history, mythology and the occult” to recreate the splendor and doom of this hidden antediluvian world. Lemuria or Mu was about 5,000 miles long and 3,000 miles wide. The Garden of Eden was not in Asia but on a now sunken continent in the Pacific Ocean. The Biblical story of Creation came first not from the peoples of the Nile or the Euphrates Valley but from this now-submerged continent, Mu – the Motherland of Man…

    When ones across the archeological evidence in the areas beig called once belonging to Lemuria, indicate a confirmed Hindu presence and the apread of Tamil culture.

    Kumari Kandam Evidence.

    According to Silappadhikaram, one of the Five Great Epics of Tamil Literature written in 2nd century CE, states that the “cruel sea” took the Pandiyan’s land, part of which was present between the rivers Pahruli and the mountainous banks of the Kumari. These rivers are said to have flowed in a now-submerged land.

    Adiyarkkunallar, a 12th-century CE commentator on the epic, explains this reference by saying that there was once a land to the south of the present-day Kanyakumari, which stretched for 700 kāvatam from the Pahruli river in the north to the Kumari river in the south.
    The modern equivalent of the measurement kāvatam, which is also known as kātam in Tamil, is a distance of 6.25 miles (10.06 km).[

    Kanakkathikaram, a 15th century Tamil Mathematical literary work which is in the form of poems, defines the length of 1 kāvatam(1 kātam) as 24,000 muzham(33,000 feet, 6¼ miles) and it also defines the time taken to cover it which is the distance that can be covered by normal walk in 7½ Nāzhigai or 1 Sāmam(equivalent to 3 hours).
    So, the distance of 700 kāvatam is equivalent to 4,375 miles (7,041 km) in modern day measurements.

    This land was divided into 49 nadu(countries), or territories, which he names as seven coconut territories (elutenga natu), seven Madurai territories (elumaturai natu), seven old sandy territories (elumunpalai natu), seven new sandy territories (elupinpalai natu), seven mountain territories (elukunra natu), seven eastern coastal territories (elukunakarai natu) and seven dwarf-palm territories (elukurumpanai natu).
    All these lands, he says, together with the many-mountained land that began with KumariKollam, with forests and habitations, were submerged by the sea.
    Two of these Nadus or territories were supposedly parts of present-day Kollam and Kanyakumari districts.

    Citations.

    http://www.crystalinks.com/lemuria.html

    https://ramanisblog.in/2015/03/03/lemuria-kumari-kandam-verified-different-landmass/

    http://tamilandvedas.com/2012/03/20/three-tamil-sangams-myth-and-reality-2/

  • Manu Dravida Ancestor Precedes Daksha Dravida Sanatana Dharma

    Manu Dravida Ancestor Precedes Daksha Dravida Sanatana Dharma

    I was intrigued by the fact that the Shiva worship starts with Daksha, who is the first Human being by Brahma for each Yuga.

    And Daksha Kingdom was in the North of the Vindhyas.

    Daksha’s daughter married Shiva.Daksha with Veerabhadra.jpg “Painting on paper depicting ‘Virabhadra The red-hued deity is coiffed exactly like Śiva. This is an unusual rendering of Virabhadra. The face of the Ganga peeps out of the dreadlocks, while loose jatas fly around his head. On his forehead is a prominent tripundra. Side fangs protrude from his mouth and a bushy moustache grows on his upper lip. In his upper right hand is a damaru, in his upper left hand a flame, the lower right hand carries a sword and the lower left a buckler. The attributes in his upper hands are unusual, as they generally bear the bow and the arrow. He is dressed in a dhoti adorned by sashes on the sides and an angavastra is draped on his elbows. Among his ornaments is a long white garland. On his feet are toe-knob sandals. At his left stands the ram-headed Daksha, sporting tripundra marks on his forehead and arms dressed in dhoti and with the angavastra tied around his hips.” Image credit.”Virabhadra Daksha” by Unknown – http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/search_the_collection_database/search_object_details.aspx?objectid=3058344&partid=1&output=Places%2f!!%2fOR%2f!!%2f41361%2f!%2f41361-2-20%2f!%2fPainted+in+Thanjavur%2f!%2f%2f!!%2f%2f!!!%2f&orig=%2fresearch%2fsearch_the_collection_database%2fadvanced_search.aspx&currentPage=1&numpages=10. Licensed under Public Domain via Wikimedia Commons – https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Virabhadra_Daksha.jpg#/media/File:Virabhadra_Daksha.jpg’

    Vishnu worship seems to have been later than that of Shiva in the South, Dravida worship.

    Rama’s ancestor Satyavrata Manu migrated from the South to Ayodhya, where his son Ikshvaku founded the Ikshvaku Dynasty..

    If Daksha were to be the first Human being created then how do we account for Manu?

    Manu seems to pre date Daksha as,

    1.Daksha came later, in the beginning of the Yuga, whereas Manu is for Manvantara.

    A Manu’s lifespan is 71 Mahayugas (306,720,000 years).

    ‘Yuga  is the name of an epoch or era within a four age cycle. According to Hindu cosmology, life in the universe is created and destroyed once every 4.1 to 8.2 billion years,] which is one full day and night for Brahma. The lifetime of Brahma himself believed to be 311 trillion and 40 billion years as per Hindu cosmology.’

    Manus and Saptha Rishis are for every Manvantara..

    One of the Saptha Rishis is Agastya.

    ‘The earliest list of the Seven Rishis is given by Jaiminiya Brahmana 2.218-221: Vashista, Bharadvaja, Jamadagni, Gautama, Atri,Visvamitra, and Agastya, followed by Brihadaranyaka Upanisad 2.2.6 with a slightly different list: Gautama and Bharadvāja, Viśvāmitra and Jamadagni, Vashiṣṭha and Kaśyapa, and Atri, Brighu. The late Gopatha Brāhmana 1.2.8 has Vashiṣṭa, Viśvāmitra, Jamadagni, Gautama, Bharadvāja, Gungu, Agastya, Bhrighu and Kaśyapa..’

    We find Agastya in the South advising Rama in the battle field not to lose heart and chant Adhitya Hrudayam on Lord Surya to win the war against Ravana.

    Then we have Lord Shiva as the Father of Tamil Language.

    Of course Sanskrit is also from Shiva’s Damaru, Maheswara Sutras.(Please read m Post on this)

    We find the legends of Shiva in the north from the marriage of Sati ,daughter of Daksha with Shiva.

    Nothing more of Shiva is mentioned in these North Indian Legends.

    Manus, Hinduism.Jpg Manus

    ‘In The Immortals of Meluha, Manu is said to be a prince from south India. His family, the Pandyas having ruled the mythical land of Sangamatamil for many generations. The decadence of the Kings incurred the wrath of the gods. A great deluge submerged the entire civilization. Manu having foreseen this escaped with his followers to the higher northern lands. Manu turned into an ascetic. Eventually Manu’s prayers pacified the gods and the water abated.

    In the South Shiva worship has been in vogue much earlier as Adi Shiva, The Silent Teacher,Dakshina Murthy,First Yogi who initiated Agastya, who initiated Bhogar and Kriya Babaji.

    The we have Lord Subrahmanya called as Murugan and His worship is quite old.

    Though the Tamil Grammar, earliest of Tamil works assigns Varuna, Indra, Vishnu, Murugan(Subrahmanya), and Devi to each of the landmass , Kurinji,Marutham, Mullai, Neydhal and Palai, Shiva always remains in the background as the Chief.

    He is called as the Ancient of the Ancients.

    ‘Munnai Pazhamprutkum Munnaip Pazham Porule’

    He is also called Pirva Yaakaip Periyon’

    That is Eldest though Unborn.

    Sanskrit also calls Him as Ayonija, one who does not stay in the womb.

    We have a lot of references to the South in the Puranas and Ithihasas about Tamils.

    ‘Srimad
    Bhagavatam 11.5.38-40
    kritadishu praja rajan
    kalav icchanti sambhavam
    kalau khalu bhavishyanti
    narayana-parayanah
    kvacit kvacin maha-raja
    dravideshu ca bhurisah
    tamraparni nadi yatra
    kritamala payasvini
    kaveri ca maha-punya
    pratici ca maha-nadi
    ye pibanti jalam tasam
    manuja manujesvara
    prayo bhakta bhagavati
    vasudeve ‘malasayah
    SYNONYMS
    krita- adishu — of Satya and the
    other earlier ages; prajah — the
    inhabitants; rajan — O King; kalau —
    in Kali-yuga; icchanti — they want;
    sambhavam — birth; kalau — in Kali;
    khalu — certainly; bhavishyanti —
    there will be; narayana- parayanah —
    devotees who dedicate their lives to
    the service of Lord Narayana; kvacit
    kvacit — here and there; maha-raja —
    O great monarch; dravideshu — in
    the provinces of South India; ca —
    but; bhurisah — especially
    plentifully; tamraparni — named
    Tamraparni; nadi — the river; yatra —
    where; kritamala — Kritamala;
    payasvini — Payasvini; kaveri —
    Kaveri; ca — and; maha- punya —
    extremely pious; pratici — named
    Pratici; ca — and; maha-nadi — the
    Mahanadi; ye — those who; pibanti —
    drink; jalam — the water; tasam — of
    these; manujah — humans; manuja-
    isvara — O lord of men (Nimi);
    prayah — for the most part; bhaktah
    — devotees; bhagavati — of the
    Personality of Godhead; vasudeve —
    Lord Vasudeva; amala- asayah —
    having spotless hearts.
    TRANSLATION
    My dear King, the inhabitants of
    Satya-yuga and other ages eagerly
    desire to take birth in this age of
    Kali, since in this age there will be
    many devotees of the Supreme Lord,
    Narayana. These devotees will
    appear in various places but will be
    especially numerous in South India.
    O master of men, in the age of Kali
    those persons who drink the waters
    of the holy rivers of Dravida-desa,
    such as the Tamraparni, Krtamala,
    Payasvini, the extremely pious Kaveri
    and the Pratici Mahanadi, will
    almost all be purehearted devotees(
    of the Supreme Personality of
    Godhead, Vasudeva.(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvars)

    ..

    ाः तस्याम्
    दिशि सुदुर्गमाः |
    कपीइशः कपि मुख्यानाम् स तेषाम्
    समुदाहरत् || ४-४१-७
    7. tasyaam dishi = in that, direction
    of compass; su dur gamaaH = verily,
    impossible, to pass – highly
    impassable; ye ke cana = which of
    those few; sam ut deshaaH = well,
    intended, countries – some countries
    that need be explained; about them;
    saH kapi iishaH = he that, monkeys,
    king of – Sugreeva; teSaam kapi
    mukhyaanaam = to them, monkey,
    prominent ones; sam udaaharat =
    well, illustrated – gave a picture of.
    The king of monkeys Sugreeva gave a
    picture about some of the highly
    impassable countries available in
    southern quarter that need an
    introduction to those prominent
    monkeys bound south. [4-41-7]

    सहस्र शिरसम् विंध्यम् नाना द्रुम
    लता आयुतम् |
    नर्मदाम् च नदीम् रम्याम् महोरग
    निषेविताम् || ४-४१-८
    ततो गोदावरीम् रम्याम् कृष्णावेणीम्
    महानदीम् |
    वरदाम् च महाभागाम् महोरग
    निषेविताम् |
    मेखलान् उत्कलाम् चैव दशार्ण
    नगराणि अपि || ४-४१-९
    अब्रवंतीम् अवंतीम् च सर्वम् एव अनुपश्यत
    |
    विदर्भान् ऋष्टिकान् चैव रम्यान्
    माहिषकान् अपि || ४-४१-१०
    8. sahasra shirasam = thousands, of
    heads [crests]; naanaa druma lataa
    aayutam = numerous, trees,
    climbers, abounding in; vindhyam =
    Vindhya Range; mahaa uraga ni
    Sevitaam = great, snakes, adored by;
    ramyaam narmadaam nadiim ca =
    delightful one, Narmada, river, also;
    tataH = then; ramyaam godaavariim
    = wonderful one, River Godavari;
    mahaanadiim = River Mahaanadi;
    kR^iSNaaveNiim = River Krishnaveni,
    or Krishna; mahaa bhaagaam =
    highly, auspicious one; mahaa uraga
    niSevitaam = by great, snakes,
    adored by; varadaam ca = River
    Varada, also; mekhalaan utkalaam
    caiva = Mekhala, Utkala [in
    territories,] also thus; dashaarNa
    nagaraaNi api = Dashaarna, in cities,
    also; abravantiim avantiim ca =
    Abravanti, Avanti, also; vidarbhaan
    R^iSTikaan caiva = Vidarbha,
    Rishtika, also, thus; ramyaan
    maahiSakaan api = charming
    [kingdom,] in Maheeshaka, even;
    sarvam eva anu pashyata = all
    [everywhere,] thus, closely, see –
    search thoroughly.
    “Search the thousand crested
    Vindhya mountains abounding with
    numerous tress and climbers, then
    the delightful Narmada river
    coursing a little southerly to that
    range, which is adored by great
    snakes, along with wonderful River
    Godavari, as well as River
    Krishnaveni and Maha Nadi, and
    then the greatly auspicious River
    Varada which is an adoration to
    great snakes. And the territories of
    Mekhala, Utkala, the cities of
    Dashaarna, kingdoms of Abravanti,
    Avanti, and Vidarbha, also thus the
    charming kingdom of Maheehaka, are
    to be searched thoroughly. [4-41-10] Valmiki Ramayana Valmiki Ramayana – Kishkindha Kanda – Sarga 41

    We have references to a Tamil King Perunchotru Udiyan Cheralaathan performing Tharpana for the dead in the Mahabharata War in Chera Kingdom.

    He also provided food for both Kaurva and Pandava Armies during the Mahabharata war.

    Vedas mention the spices , Peacocks, Special sandalwood.elephants being imported from the South.

    During Draupadi Swayamvara Tamil Kings were present.

    Tamil Kingas attended Rama and Sita Marriage at Mithila.

    The vanaras were in Kishkinta pre dating Rama and were Shiva worshipers.

    Hanuman is one and is considered to be an Amsa of Shiva, some say He is an Avatar of Shiva.

    Considering all these facts and admitting these facts provided by the Vedas,Puranas,Ramayana and Mahabharata, it is quite probable that he Sanatana Dharma was in place much before what is found in the North.

    Please refer my posts on Shiva’s Marriage date. Agastya Date, Ramayana Mahabharata Dates,Ram’s ancestor Satavrata Manu being a Dravida,Thiruvannamalai Billion Year Old and many more.

    Inputs welcome.

    Citation.

    http://historum.com/asian-history/63682-rama-king-cholar-solar-dynasty-9.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manu_(Hinduism)#Lifespan

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daksha

    The references in Sanskrit on Tamil are numerous.

    I have quoted only a few.

    Tamil references on Sanana Dharma, Vedas, Ramayana and Mahabharata are much more.