Tag: Sugriva

  • Mount Ararat Baghdad In Ramayana

    If one wants to know about the lands and people of the world during Sanatana Dharma, the best source, in my opinion, is the set of instructions given by Sugriva to his army of vanaras in search of Sita, who was abducted by Ravana.

    He gives such detailed descriptions, ably captured by Valmiki, that one can identify the Lands even today.

    I have posted on Peru where Nazca Lines resemble the Trishul of Lord Shiva,Arkaim in Russia.

    In the course of his directions Sugriva directs a group of his army bound for west to search for Sita in a mountain where the sun sets.

    Ancient City Arkaim.jpg
    Ancient City Arkaim.

    Sugreeva, (the ‘vanara’ commander) directs the ‘vanaras’ to go west from the Vindya mountains of India, right up to the fourth quarter of the (Arabian) sea, via a point described as ‘where the Sindhu falls into the sea’ – which may point to either where the Indus falls into the Arabian Sea at Karachi in Pakistan or to where the Narmada falls into the Arabian Sea. Sindhu is the Sanskrit name of Indus, butsindhu also means ‘river’. Going along this route, the fourth quarter of the sea would bring the Vanaras to the ‘Persian Gulf’.

    Valmiki description of a coastal mountain by the name ‘Hemgiri’ – high with its peak touching the sky, and also a waterlogged mountain by the name ‘Paariyatra’ indicates that the ‘vanaras’ were probably taking a sea-side route along the Persian Gulf. Valmiki also describes a Mount ‘Vajra’, which he says shines like a diamond – possibly a reference to the peaks of what is today known as the Zagros Range.

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    Ancient Baghdad.

    After crossing the fourth quarter of the Ocean, the ‘vanaras’ are told that they will see a structure on Mt. Chakravan, which looks like a ‘wheel with a thousand spokes’. The Ramayana says that the city or structure was built on this mountain by the ‘celestial architect’ ‘Vishwakarma. This suggest a megalithic circular wheel like structure atop a mountain…

     

    Another option is the city of Yerevan in Armenia. Yerevan is one of the oldest continually inhabited cities of the world. Yerevan has been built and rebuilt over the ruins of older cities over the centuries – but its basic plan even today remains circular as it was in the ancient times. The city is spread out now but historically the city was located at the heart of the Armenian Highland in Kotayk canton of Ayrarat province.

    The Ramayana say that a at distance of 64 ‘yojanas’ (a yojana has been taken to mean a distance of anywhere between 6 to 15 km) from this city, the Vanaras will encounter a peak by the name ‘Varaaha’. This may well be Mt. Ararat of today. Mt. Ararat is visible from Yerevan. Also, over the millennia the name ‘Chakravan’ may have distorted to ‘Yerevan’ and ‘Varaaha’ to ‘Ararat’. 

    The Ramayana then mentions a city by the name ‘Pragjyotish’ which was the abode of the demon ‘Naraka’. Though there are no cities with a name close to ‘Pragjyotish’ in the Armenian region, but there sure is a town by the name ‘Narek’ located close to Mt. Ararat.

    Another possibility is that Valmiki may have been referring to a pre-historic city, on the ruins of which Baghdad was built later. Present day Baghdad was built on the ruins of ancient Baghdad which was first built in 700 AD. But is it possible that there was a city already existing thousands of years before 700 AD and was mentioned in the Ramayana. Sketches of ancient Baghdad comes uncannily close to Valmiki’s description.

    Some scholars have suggested that there is also a possibility that when the ‘vanaras’ head west and then continue their journey along a mountain range, they could be moving northwards along the Zagros and further to the Ural range. In that case, could the ancient city that the ‘vanaras’ saw be ‘Arkaim’ in the Urals. It has even been debated that ancient Arkaim was not a city at all, and that it was a weapon-storage facility!

    Citation.

    http://vediccafe.blogspot.in/2013/05/where-is-chakravan-city-of-ramayana.html

  • Search Sita In Peru Nazca Lines Sugreeva Ramayana

    Bharata Varsha included the Americas, as I had posted earlier.

     

    The Americas were the  Patala Loka as described in Hindu texts.

     

    There is yet another evidence pointing in this direction.

     

    Sugreeva directs his army of Vanaras  to search for Sita in Lima, Peru, which is to be identified by the Nazca Lines , in the form of a Trident.

     

    “””In Ramyan, when King Sugriv directs his men in all directions in search of Sita, he instructs people going to east direction to check out for a TRIDENT engraved on a mountain.

    He describes the Trident as “A long Golden flagstick with three limbs stuck on top.

    It always glitters in when seen from sky”. (This trident is on west coast of peru – Lima and is visible clearly from the sky)

    In Valmiki Ramayan – Kishkindha Kaand – The sanskrit shlok is as below: (Kishkindha-39/47-48)

    Kishkindha Kanda-39/47-48) Ramayana Sloka.jpg.
    Kishkindha Kanda-39/47-48) Ramayana Sloka.

     

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    Nazca Lines.

     

    Citation.

     

     

    https://sites.google.com/site/vvmpune/other-works/about-trident-peru

  • Did Lord Rama Backstab Vali Rajaji’s Views

    There was a comment to my Post in Facebook that Lord Rama back stabbed Vaali and the commenter was

    defensive in asking this question by adding that he was embarrassed in asking this question as this is a very

    sensitive issue.

     

    Lord Rama Kills Vali, from Behind a Tree
    Rama Kills Vali By Stealth

    Well, Hinduism is not narrow-minded and it encourages questions on anything, if the question is in earnest.

     

    It does not consider this as blasphemy as some Religions do.

     

    Lord Rama killed Vali by hiding behind a tree.

     

    The reasons

    1. Vaali was harassing Sugriva, his brother.

    2.Vaali grabbed Sugriva’s Kingdom.

    3.He also coveted Sugriva’s Wife.

     

    4.Lord Rama wanted Sugriva’s help in finding Sita who was kidnapped.

     

    Lord Rama offered hid friendship to Sugriva and once , having given his  word as he would treat Vali as his friend he would stick by it, come what may.

     

    After being struck by The Rama Bana, Vali says to Lord Rama thus.

     

    ‘Rama you are the son of the Righteous Dasaratha.

    Your reputation as a fair-minded person precedes you.

    You are the embodiment of Dharma and fair play.

     

    Yet you chose to kill me hiding behind a tree. while I was fighting Sugriva.

     

    Why did you do this?

     

    • What was my crime?
    • Even if I committed a crime (with my brother), what is your right to kill me?
    • The third statement shows Vali’s disapproval of the way Rama killed him.
    • He says, “I was fighting with some other person and was not careful enough when you shot me.”

     

    Lord Rama replied,

    Lord Rama promises to Kill Vali
    Rama Vows to Kill Vali

     

    Vali, you speak as if you are the embodiment of Virtues.

     

    You grabbed what was essentially entitled to Sugriva, his share of the Kingdom.

     

    You coveted his wife.

     

    Hence you deserve to be killed by me.

     

    When some one breaks the Dharma, it is my duty to set the Dharma right by punishing the Guilty and protecting the Wronged.

     

    And I have accepted Sugriva as my friend and had given him my word that I would help him to relieve him of hid fear of you in return for his assurance to find Sita for me”.

     

    • The younger brother should be treated like a son. Even if he made a mistake you should forgive him, especially when he promised to respect you for your whole life.
    • About his authority he said he had permission from King Bharat to spread righteousness and punish evils.
    • The third argument he quoted how great kings did hunting of deers in the past. In fact, Vali in principle could also be kept in the category of deers (as he was a Vanara and not a Human) and a hunting king does not care whether the deer was careful or not.

     

    Vali replies,

     

    ‘Rama,

     

    You speak as if you have performed a very noble act.

     

    These are my points,

     

    1.Rama, since when your Reign extended to Kishkinta?

     

    Who are you to intrude into my kingdom and kill me in this fashion?

     

    2.The Dharma of Vanaras is different for Vanaras from what is applicable to Human Beings.

     

    As a Vanara we have our Mores, including the sanction to have one other’s wife.

     

    Which Smriti did you learn from?

     

    If you had become friends with Sugriva only with the intention of finding you wife,you have made a wrong choice

     

    You should have come to me, who had Ravan tucked under my Tail and had him hung as a toy for mu son

    Angadha’s Cradle.

     

    You need not have troubled your self.

     

    I would have ordered Ravana to hand over Sita and he would have done.

     

    If he had not done, I would have killed him.

     

    By no standards what you done is Right.

     

    Lord Rama did not have an answer.

     

    The argument still rages on.

     

    C.Rajagopalachari, known as Rajaji, the man wrote the Vyasar Virundhu, Mahabharata in Tamil, Chakkaravarthi Thirumakan, Ramayana, and

     

    a GreatStatesman India has ever produced and whom Gandhi called as ‘his conscience,’ gave a reply.

     

    ” There is a debate on the issue of Rama killing Vali by unfair means.

     

    Lord Rama is considered to be the embodiment of Dharma.

     

    Just as a small inkblot spoils a white Dhoti, this small act of His, evokes heated discussion.

     

    In the others it would have gone unnoticed.

     

    Having been described as a perfect Human Being, this appears to be a very serious issue.

     

    Technically Vali is Right.

     

    Valmiki wrote the Ramayana as it happened and the Ramayana is not a fiction.

     

    Had it been so, Valmiki could have omitted this episode and written Rama killed Vali on a direct fight, to

     

     

    show Rama as a Perfect Human Being.

     

    No body is going to find out this.

     

    This very narration that implies a wrong doing by Rama itself proves that the Ramayana is Real.

     

    And Lord Rama paid for this , by being killed by a Fisherman in a similar fashion in the Avatar of Lord Krishna.

     

    And I would say this to those who try to sully the name Rama on this issue,

     

    ‘You try to follow at least 1% of what Rama said and try to be like him a minuscule.

     

    Ten you would not be asking this question.

     

    And to me, it is That.

     

    Later Vali regretted his outburst and asked Rama’s forgives is a different issue.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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