Self styled Historians, nay Anglophiles have started screaming for facts in Indian history, pointing out ,
Rmama Sethu, Built by Lord Rama’s army
“Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s comments in October, that Lord Ganesha was the product of plastic surgery, has prompted the Indian History Congress, attended by over 2000 professional historians in Delhi, to pass a resolution that says “genuine historians would stand by the values of their profession and resist interested distortions of our past.”
The resolution, adopted during its Platinum Jubilee meet on Tuesday, mentions the Prime Minister’s statement and also “calls upon the members of the political establishment to refrain from making statements contrary to well-established historical facts.”
Speaking to NDTV, well-known historian Professor Aditya Mukherjee said, “The Prime Minister shouldn’t confuse between history and mythology. In many societies, there are tales of people flying, doing other extraordinary things, but they can’t be taken as history.”
Mr Mukherjee, who also heads the School of Social Sciences in the Jawaharlal Nehru University, responded to the often-cited argument that Historiography in India has been Left-centric and biased.
“There should not be a problem if there are multiple perspectives. In fact, it is good that if the discipline’s rigor is challenged but you can’t treat imagination as history,” said Mr Mukherjee
Indian History Congress’s meet has been in the news for raising issues of contemporary debate. Apart from the PM’s statement on Ganesha, the conference also talked about “attempts to change school textbooks”. Right-wing hardliners have been accused of trying to pressure the government to rewrite school books in line with Hindu-nationalist orthodoxy.
Inaugurating the event on Sunday, Vice President Hamid Ansari had cautioned that the attempt to portray “India as a homogenous nation is problematic”.
Which are the distortions of facts?
Lord Rama , whose existence is proved by astronomical dating, archeology,your own white skinned people,and by Indian Literature in many languages?
Or
The Bible which was composed by Constantine to suit a Political need,
Jesus whose real name is not known till today?
That Krishna’s Dwaraka is found, his date is established,
or
The story of some one whose existence is not proved and who says he read God’s inscriptions on stone in Heaven?
That Indians were advanced in Mathematics,Physics, astronomy,Quantum Physics, Chemistry, Medicine, Surgery,Agriculture,Ship building, Aircraft Building, Social Sciences,Astrophysics,Biology, Stem Cell research, …..
The ever-changing views of Science of today when one can never be sure of what he ‘scientists’ will find to-morrow.
The atomic theory of Vaisheshika who are far ahead of repeatedly falling CERN research?
How about these multiple perspectives as these ?(they are established facts)
That Nehru delayed the dispatch of troops to Kashmir to repel Pakistani intruders,
That a certain gentleman of great fame was born in a Brothel , his father ran one,
And another was a Homo sexual,
That Hyder Ali and Tippu Sulthan destroyed temples,
That Shah Jehan Built the Taj Mahal on a Shiva temple,
He imprisoned his father,
That Islam invaders destroyed thousand of temples and killed, maimed raped Indians,
The British genocide toll in India exceeds one Billion.
I can go on.
If an ordinary man like me can quote this much, imagine the knowledge of Real Indian scholars?
Of course you do not recognise them for they are Indians, much worse…. Hindus!
Check your facts.
Nice to be secular but more important is to be a Rational Man.
Indians believe the Timeline of India’s History as explained by William Jones and his followers, though their theory on the dates assigned to events and persons have been proved to be incorrect by many references and most importantly by archeology.
If one were to mistrust the Hindu scriptures, the Nastika System of jainism which denies the authorit of the Vedas, has provided informationwhich tallies with the timeline and events portayed by the Puranas.
Secondly the Archeological finds dispprove the dates assined by William Jones and others and show that the events and people had happened/lived much before the dates indicated by them
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Our history textbooks tell us that Magadha (not Ayodhya) was one of India’s first kingdoms and that Buddha and Mahavira were contemporaries who lived in/ around Magadha around 600 BCE. However, when we visit the sites of India’s so-called earliest centres of civilization (e.g., Sarnath where the Buddha preached his first sermon), we see evidence from the Jain tradition that its earlier Tirthankaras8 were already living in that city hundreds of years ago.9 On top of this, the Jains appear to share the same hoary past as the Hindus do, with their first Tirthankara (Rishabhadeva) believed to be the king of Ayodhya more than 20 generations before Mahavira.
In addition to the Jain tradition, the history preserved in our native chronicles – the Puranas – appears to have some support from archaeology as well. Although most of the sites described in the Puranas are now populated and hence cannot be excavated, the few non-inhabited sites (e.g., Dwaraka) exhibit evidence of ancient civilizations. This begs the question as to whether we should truly discard the traditions preserved in India’s native chronicles or take the trouble to re-examine them in a new light. This essay presents the chronology of India as preserved by its native historians and tests the validity of this chronology when compared to independent accounts of ancient India.
The accepted chronology of ancient India is based on William Jones’s identification of Sandrocottus with Chandragupta Maurya, the first king of the Mauryan empire. This identification serves as the basis for determining the era of Buddha, the dates of the subsequent kings of Magadha and of other kingdoms of India. According to this chronology, Chandragupta Maurya ascended the throne of Magadha around 315 BCE. However, the Puranas as well as Megasthenes’s account of the milieu he lived in present a compelling case for debunking this identification and associating Sandrocottus with Chandragupta I, the founder of the Imperial Guptas. According to the Puranas, Chandragupta Maurya was crowned in 1538 BCE, Ashoka was crowned in 1489 BCE, and Chandragupta I ascended the throne of Pataliputra around 315 BCE in time to be the monarch referred to as Sandrocottus when Megasthenes arrived in Pataliputra in 302 BCE. This essay presents the evidence for this Puranic chronology and aims to resolve other conundrums in Indian history, such as the age of Vikramaditya and Adi Sankara, with this revised timeline.”
Then one has the astronomical data.
This authenticates the Puranic Data.
The problem with the astronomical data is that celestial events occur repeatedly at a fixed intervals and as such the difficulty lies in matching a particular astronomical event with the events described by our Puranas.
Then one has Kalpas, a Kalpa being one day f Lord Brahma, the Creator and He creates 14 Manvantaras.
This crestes additional dificulties to identify the Manvanatara, Kalpa and a particular event.
This one can resove by referring to the Sankalpa being used by the Hindus for every religious event.
Please read my post Geo Tagging, Sankalpa.
I became curious to check all these because i has found a refernce stating that Satyavrata Manu , the ancestor of Lord Rama migrate from the South to North because of a Tsunami.
He went to Ayodhya and founded the Dynasty called Ikshvaku.
There are five floods recoreded in Indian legends, both in Sanskrit and Tamil.
This we can resolve by matching this information with references found in other texts and by archeology.
The following verified information spurred me to search and arrive at a Kings List of India according to Puranas ans Tamil Classics.
1.Lord Rama’s Date of Birth, Marriage,Exile, Ramayana War.
2.Mahabharata War.
3.Agasthya’s crossing over to South through the Vindhyas.
4.Tamil Classics’s refernce to Tsunamis.
5.The ancestry of Tamil Cholas to Manu and of Pandyas antiquity.
6.The feeding of the armies of Kauravas and Pandavas by a Tamil King, Udiyan Neduncheralaathan.
7.The artifacts and archeological finds of the remnants of Sanatana Dharma throuhout the world.
And the Bhagavata reference to Satyavrata Manu leaving th south for the North because of a Tsunami.
I have posted articles on all these issues,under Hinduism.
List of Kings.
List of Indian Kings according to Puranas after primay creation. Click to enlarge.
List of kings in the Vaivasvata (descendants of Vivasvat) Manvantara as stated in the Vishnu Purana.Click to enlarge.
List upto Mahabharata War.List of kings in the Vaivasvata Manvantara until the Great War as stated in the Vishnu Purana.Click to enlargeList of Kings in Kali Yuga(present Yuga). List of kings in the Kaliyuga (after the Great War) as stated in the Vishnu Purana.Click to enlargeList of kings in the Kaliyuga (after the Great War) as stated in the Vishnu Purana. The Vidisha list is from the Vayu Purana.Click to enlarge.
One may note that the Solar and Lunar dynasties married among themselves.
The list incldes the names of Bimbisara, father of Ashoka.
The King List which chronicles a list of Kings of Sumeria is written in Sumerian Language.
Ancient Sumeria, one of the oldest civilizations flourished in the southern parts of Iraq.
In the Kings List, one finds the Dynasties of the Kings of Sumeria with their official locations.
It includes the names of Kings of adjoining countries, then called city states
The Kingship was believed to be from the Gods and was transferable from one city to another.
Sumeria was believed to have had an hegemony during its period of existence.
It is curious to find the name of Lord Rama in the Sumerian King List.
Not only Lord Rama but his brother Bharata also find a place in the List.
King List,Sumeria
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Fortunately, a study of Sumerian history provides a fairly vivid flesh-and-blood picture of Rama. The highly authentic Sumerian King-list appear such hallowed names as Bharat (Warad) Sin and Rim Sin. Sin was the Moon god Chandra and as the cuneiform symbol for ‘Rim’ can also be read as ‘Ram’, Rim Sin is the same as Rama Chandra. In the Sumerian texts Ram-Sin is said to be from Elam which links him to Indo-Iran. Rama was the longest reigning monarch of Mesopotamia who ruled for 60 years. Bharat Sin ruled for 12 years (1834-1822 BC), exactly as stated in the Dasaratha Jataka. The Jataka statement, “Years sixty times hundred, and ten thousand more, all told, / Reigned strong-armed Rama”, only means that Rama reigned for sixty years which agrees exactly with the data of Assyriologists. Ayodhya may be Agade the capital of Sargon which has not yet been identified. It is possible that Agade was near Der or the Heart near Harayu or Sarayu. Learned scholars like D. P. Mishra were aware that Rama could be from the Herat area. The noted linguist Sukumar Sen also noted that Rama is a sacred name in the Avesta where he is mentioned together with Vayu. Rama is called Rama Margaveya in some texts from which Dr. Sen concluded that he hailed from Margiana. The Cambridge Ancient History contains priceless information relevant to Indian ancient history. The Sumerian records furnish the first date of the Indus era – the war with Ravana took place in 1794 BC. The significance of the fact Ram-Sin’s reign (60 years) was the longest in Sumerian history has been lost on most writers. There are two Ram-Sins in Sumerian history.”…….
My researches into the relationship from between the Dravadas (South of Bharata Varsha) and Sanatana Dharam have led me to establish that the ancestor of Lord Rama, Vaivaswatha Manu migrated from Dravida desa because of a Tsunami to Ayodhya to establish a Kingdom.
* Seemingly different dates of Rama from the Date of Rama of Ramayana tells another story.
Shiva and His sons Ganesha,Muruga left by the Arabian Sea and spread through the Middle East, establishing their lineage en route, Iraq, Africa, Spain,Latin America,North America, Central America before reaching the Arctic where the Rig Veda was composed.
Later their descendants traveled from the Arctic through Russia to reach India again.
These facts are culled from Tamil Classics Vedas, Sanskrit Literature and cross checked by Astronomical facts mentioned in these texts.
Of late I have been researching into the connection between Tamil and Sanatana Dharma, though I have posted a few articles on the subject earlier.
I have been able to confirm to myself the following.
1.The Tamil, Dravida and the Sanatan Dharma were closely connected and people were interacting with each other.
Kaala Chakra, world Tie Line by Rig Veda.
2.Historical Characters like Krishna, Sahadeva and Arjuna traveled to the South and Krishna and Arjuna married Dravidian women, had children through them.
3.The Tamil Kings were held in such high esteem that one of them Udiyan Cheralathan was in charge of feeding both the Kaurava and Pandava Armies during the Mahabharata Battle.
3.Sage Agasthya , who is presumed to have founded the Tamil Language is the same one who wrote the Rig Vedic Hymns 166 to 190.
4.Agasthya crossed the Vindhyas to enter Dravidian Territory.
5.Kumari Kandam is not a figment of Tamil Imagination.
6.Various references about Tamil in the Vedas,Puranas,Ramayana and Mahabharata and by Tamil in Tholkaapiyam,Silappadikaara and Manimekalai about Sanatana Dharma check out.
I have been able to check the dates and events with the help of Astronomical Data found in Tamil and Sanskrit Literature,Vedas, Puranas, Ramayana and Mahabharata.
This has been done with the help of Star Canopus, called Agasthya, mentioned in Tamil Classics and Sanskrit.
I wanted to cross verify this with the help of references found on Time in the Rig Veda.
Rig Veda , the earliest literature known to Man speaks of Time as a Wheel, thereby denoting that Time is Cyclic.
I have posted a detailed article on ‘Time, Non-Linear, Cyclic’
Seven {sapta} are yoked {yuñjanti} to the Chariot {ratham} with a single-wheel {ekacakram} and a single horse {eko aśvo} with seven people (seven names) {saptanāmā} inside it. The wheel has three navels {trinābhi}. It is ageless {ajaram} and un-decaying {anarvam}. On it are staying {tasthuh} all the beings of the world {viśvā bhuvanādhi}.
The seven yoked entities mentioned here represents the seven days of the week constituting the first quarter of a fortnight. It is also represented in Epics and Puranas as the seven horses of the Chariot of Surya (the Sun) alluding to the seven rays of the sun (seven colors in sunlight). The seven people who rides the chariot could be an indirect references to the Seven Sages (Saptarshis). The Chariot here represent the Sun whose apparent motion in Earth’s sky is what facilitates the time measurements done using the wheel of time. The Chariot could also represents the constellation of the seven stars (Big Dipper;- Saptarshi constellation) which also helps to measure long units of time.
The ‘navel’ of the wheel mentioned here represents ‘gear’. Thus the wheel is envisaged as a machinery with three gears to change the three levels of time measurement using the same wheel of time viz. 1) hours in the day, 2) months and seasons in the year and 3) twelve zodiacal ages and four (or eight) Yugas in the Great Year (axial precession period, 25,776 years). The beings of the world depends on this wheel since the daily, yearly and precessional changes in the time indicated by this wheel of time affect all beings.
In this Chariot {ratham}, resides {tasthuh} the seven {sapta}. It has seven-wheels {saptachakram} and is driven by seven horses {sapta vahanty aśvāḥ}. The Seven sisters { sapta svasāro} praises the Cow {gavāṃ} and the seven people (seven names) {sapta nāma}.
This verse again describes the Seven Sages (Seven Names) residing in the Chariot (the Sun) this time mentioned as having seven horses (like in Epics and Puranas) and as having seven wheels. The Seven Sisters represent river Sarasvati and the nearby rivers and is a theme repeated in Vedas. The Cow represents the Year. The significance of seven wheels is unknown. It could mean the seven zodiacal ages that had elapsed during the composition of this hymn.
rvs.1.164.11:-
RV_1,164.11a dvādaśāraṃ nahi taj jarāya varvarti cakram pari dyām ṛtasya |
RV_1,164.11c ā putrā agne mithunāso atra sapta śatāni viṃśatiś ca tasthuḥ ||by length of time,
By Universal-Order {ṛtasya} this wheel {cakram} of time having twelve-spokes {dvādaśāraṃ} revolves {varvarti} in the sky {dyām}, without ever weakening or aging {nahi taj jarāya}. O Agni {agne}, On it stays, in pairs {mithunāso}, 720 sons {putrā}.
The word Rta, means Universal Order, Universal Law, the Laws of Physics or the Laws of Cosmology. Here the wheel is mentioned as having twelve spokes, to measure out twelve months in a year and twelve ages in a Great Year (25,776 years). The strange number 720 mentioned here as number of sons attached to the wheel is interesting. As per Graham Hancock this could mean the 72 years taken by the wheel to move 1 degrees (71.6 approximated as 72). However 720 is also twice 360. The meaning here thus represent 720 spokes which are paired, each spoke representing 1/2 degree (36 years) and a pair of spokes representing 1 degree (72 years).
Similarly in a human lineage, if 720 sons are born at an interval of 36 years (ie father begets a sun at his 36th age, on an average) then the total duration would be 720 x 36 = 25920 years, very close to the precession period of 25,776 yeas. Due to this simplicity, the number 72, its half 36 and its half 18 with or without zeros are frequently found in the Vedas, Epics and Puranas. Similarly the multiples of 72 like 144, 216, 432 with or without zeros too are found. Besides 36 + 72 = 108 is a very special number in ancient Indian traditions.
The number of Parvas in Mahabharata is 18; number of days Kurukshetra War is fought is 18. The time gap between Kurukshetra War and submergence of Dwaraka is 36. Duration of ChaturYuga mentioned in Shanti Parva of Mahabharata is 4,320,000.
rvs.1.164.48:-
RV_1,164.48a dvādaśa pradhayaś cakram ekaṃ trīṇi nabhyāni ka u tac ciketa |
RV_1,164.48c tasmin sākaṃ triśatā na śaṅkavo ‘rpitāḥ ṣaṣṭir na calācalāsaḥ ||
Twelve {dvādaśa} are the major-spokes {pradhayaś}, and the wheel {cakram} is single {ekaṃ}; three {trīṇi} are the naves {nabhyā}. Who hath understood it {ka u tac ciketa}?
On it are set together 360 spokes, which cannot be loosened {na calācalāsaḥ}.
Here the Wheel of Time with 12 spokes to define 12 zodiac signs is mentioned as having 360 sub-spokes for measuring each each day of the year and each degree of movement of Vernal Equinox in every 72 years. It is mentioned as having three naves (gears of modes of operation, to measure hours in a day, months in a year and zodiacal ages in a Great Year). The verse generate curiosity in the mind of reader or reciter asking if they have any understanding of it.
Rig Veda also mentions frequently about the Cow and the Calf when it discusses about the wheel of time. Cow represent a year and Calf the residual time that is left which needs adding of few days after the expiry of few years to correct the calender. This residue is a by product of approximation of the year as 360 days, 365 days, 365.25 days or as 365.2522 days. Hence the year is rightly called the Cow and the residue the Calf.
Eg:- RV_1,164.05c (the yearling Calf {vatsa}); RV_1,164.09c the Calf {vatsa} lowed, and looked upon the Mother, the Cow.
References of the Wheel of Time in Mahabharata are subsequent to those found in the Vedas. They often supplement the references in the Vedas and increase their clarity.
Three hundred and sixty cows represented by three hundred and sixty days produce one calf between them which is the year. That calf is the creator and destroyer of all. Seekers of truth following different routes, draw the milk of true knowledge with its help. Ye Aswins, ye are the creators of that calf!
The 360 cows thus represents 360 degrees and erroneously to 360 days in a year. The calf represent the residual time to complete one year. The residue in case of 360 days will be 5 days, in case of 365 days will be 1/4 day, in case of 365.25 days will be 11 minutes and so on and this chase will lead one to the secret knowledge about the precession of equinox and the wheel of time.
The History of World as known with the help of Rig Veda has been provided in this post at the Top.
The description of Vishnu is not found in the Vedas .
Narayana Suktham speaks of Narayana as the Principle, it may be noted that Narayana is different from Vishnu.
Balaji Tirupati,Srivathsam is visible.
Vishnu Suktham again describes the principle of Vishnu.
Sketchy description of Vishnu in Human form is found in the Puranas, especially in the Vishnu Purana,
Dhuruva Stuthi describes Vishnu’s Form, but does not provide details about His Ornaments and marks .
Gopala Uttara Tapini Upanishad( 75-78) has the first reference to Lord Vishnu’s Form.
‘His feet bear the auspicious signs of a celestial standard, a royal parasol.
His chest is adorned by srivatsa locks of hair, the brilliantly shining kaustubha gem and rows of forest-flower garlands (vanamala).
His four hands hold shankha (conch), chakra (discus), gada (mace) and padma (lotus).
He is adorned with armlets, garlands, jewels, diadem and earrings shaped like makara the sea monster (makara-kundala )
His form is enchanting and auspicious (divya mangala vigraha); radiant like the sharad -full moon ; his eyes glow like blue lotus blossoming amidst the
pool of clear water ; his brows like a well strung bow; his nose slender and shapely like the petals of champak flower ; the serene, cool, gentle smile, pure
like cow’s milk , dancing on his full and well shaped red lips lights up the whole world ; his chin firm and well proportioned; his throat bright and sound
shaped like a conch; the tilaka adorning his forehead between the brows is luminous like crescent moon in a clear cloudless sky; his arms long , strong and
supple like the elephant’s trunk; his chest wide , strong and healthy; he is adorned with golden-hue–silk garments (pitambara);he is richly and tastefully
ornamented; and he is the very embodiment of all the grace , beauty and joy in the universe.
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In his mind one should meditate on Me standing on
the blossomed eight-petaled lotus of the heart, My two
feet marked with conchshell, flag and umbrella, MY
chest marked with srivatsa and splendid with the
kautabha gem, My four arms holding the conch, cakr
a, mace, and sarnga bow,
My arms decorated with
armlets. MY neck splendid with
a flower garland, My head circled
by a splendid crown, My ears
decorated with glistening shark-
shaped earrings, MY form splendid
and handsome, holding a flute and
buffalo-horn bugle, and granting
fearlessness to the devotees.’Gpala Tapini Upanishad 75 to 78)
How Sri Vathsam came into Being.
Once the foot of Trivikrama came to the place where Bharadwaaja Maharishi was performing Japam, he struck on the chest of VishNu with a handful of water. The spot where he was hit became the mole and this mole is called Srivatsam( Mahaabhaaratham Saanthi Parvam 3.5.2 vide Page 401 of Notes on BalakaaNDam of Vaalmiki Ramayanam by Sri C.R. Srinivasa Iyengar).
There is another interpretation found in the same Santhi Parva 3.5.2. According to this, on one of the several occasions in which Lord Siva came to fight with Mahavishnu, he aimed his trident (Soolam) at the latter creating a scar on Vishnu’s chest and this scar is Srivatsam.
There is also the view that Lakshmi resdies in the Sri Vathsam.
We find a near complete description of Lord Vishnu in the Vishnu Sahasranama.
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