Tag: Kishkinta

  • Rama’s Brother In Law In 2 Million Year Old Karnataka Ramayana

    Karnataka , as we know of it today, was a part of Deccan Plateau and it was  Karnataka Plateau.

    After the formation of linguistic states history of India got murky.

    Earlier India was called Bharavarsha and remained one, albeit ruled by many kings.

    Rama with Kodanda,Bow.jpg
    Lord Rama

    Karnataka ,till the advent of  the Satavahanas in 230BCE  was ruled either by the emperors of the North or by the Tamil Kings as this area was not  a separate entity then.

    Chandragupta Maurya ruled the Karnataka Plateau and died in Sravanabelagola as a Jain ascetic around 239 BCE

    However Karnataka has prehistorical past.

    I shall provide the information based on Geology and Archeology  towards the close of the post.

    The recorded history of Karnataka goes back more than two millennia.

    Meanwhile let us see the references in the Ramayana.

    1.

    Anegundi, believed to be the monkey kingdom of Kishkindha (Kishkinta means in local language a forest where the monkeys lived) in the epic of Ramayana, is at a distance of 5 km from the historical site of Hampi. Anjanadri hill, the birthplace of monkey-god Hanuman, and the mountain Rishimuka are the other places near Anegundi associated with Ramayana. It is said to have one of the oldest plateaus on the planet, estimated to be 3,000 million years old. So, only local story-tellers refer to Anegundi as the maternal home of Bhoodevi (Mother Earth).

    The picturesque village, located on the northern side bank of River Tungabhadra, was said to be the legendary Kishkindha, a kingdom of the monkey Prince Sugriva and the cradle place of the historic Krishnadevaraya dynasty of the glorious Vijayanagar empire and falls in the core zone of Hampi.

    Sage Rishyasrunga.jpg Sage Rishyasrunga.

    2.Pampa Sarovar is mentioned as the place where Shabari (also Shabri), a disciple of the Rishi Matunga, directedRama as he journeyed southwards on his quest to redeem Sita, his wife, from the demon king Ravana. According to the story,Shabari, a pious devotee of Rama, prayed faithfully everyday to see Rama. She lived in the ashram of her guru, Matunga in the place know known as Matunga Parvat, in Hampi. Before her guru Matunga Rishi died he told her she would certainly see Rama. After his death, Shabari continued to live in the ashram awaiting Rama. Many years passed by and Shabari became an old woman, before Rama stopped at the ashram on his journey to Lanka. She proceeded to feed Rama and his brother Lakshmana. Touched by her piety Rama and Lakshmana bowed down at her feet. Then, they narrated to her the incident of Sita’s kidnapping and Shabarisuggested that they seek help from Hanuman and Sugriva of the monkey kingdom who lived further south near the Pampa lake. Pampa sarovar is also famous for the pushti marg vaishnavas, where in Srimad Vallabhacahrya had performed Srimad Bhawwad in the 16th century, in is many bharat darshan visits, also reafirms the importance of the holy place..

    3.Sringer is the place where Sage Rishyasrunga, son of Vibhantaka brought rains to the drought affected kingdom of Romapada.(Balakanda of Ramayana).

    4.There is Rishyasrunga Hill near Sringeri.

    5.Rama’s sister Shanta  was married to Romapada.Romapada was the King of Anga Desa, now in Pakistan, near Mohenjo Daro. His son-in-law  was Rishyasrunga, which makes Rishyasrunga Rama’s Sister’s husband!

    A king named Dasharatha will be born into Ikshwaku dynasty who will be very virtuous, resplendent and truthful one to his vow.” Said Sanat Kumara, the Sage.”King Dasharatha will befriend the king of Anga and the king of Anga will beget a fortunate girl named Shanta.

    Shanta is said to be the daughter of Dasharatha and given to Romapada in adoption, and Rishyasringa marries her alone. This is what Sumantra says to Dasharatha at 1-9-19.

    The son of the king of Anga, the earlier king of Anga kingdom, will be known as Romapada, or also know as Chitraratha, and the highly renowned king Dasharatha approaches Romapada. Then king Dasharatha says to king of Anga “oh, righteous one, I am childless and hence I intend to perform a Vedic ritual. Let the husband of your daughter Shanta, Sage Rishyasringa, preside over that Vedic ritual at you behest, for the sake of progeny in my dynasty.

    “On hearing those words of king Dasharatha that benevolent soul Romapada, the king of Anga, considers heartily and agrees to send the one who endows progeny by rituals, namely Sage Rishyasringa his son-in-law.

    The words pradaasyate putravantam are read in some translations as ‘Rishyasringa who already has a son…’ while others read it as ‘a sage who endows progeny by putra kameSti ritual…’ But in Maha Bharata father Vibhandaka says to Rishyasringa to comeback after begetting a son, which Rishyasringa did not concede. So taking this some say Rishyasringa has a son. But it is generally accepted that putravantam as aahitaagni, Vedic ritualist of eminence, according to: j˜ta putra× k®þõa keþo agnŸn adhŸta…according to shruti scripture.

    “On receiving that Brahman, Sage Rishyasringa, at the behest of his father-in-law, that king Dasharatha gets rid of his febrile condition and will accomplish that Vedic ritual, feeling very felicitous in the depths of his heart.

    “That king, the desirer of glory, the knower of virtue and the lord of people, namely Dasharatha will be requesting that best Brahman Rishyasringa with his palms adjoined in supplication for the conduct of ritual, for progeny and even for his heavenly abodes, and that king of all the quarters of earth will accomplish those desires from that eminent Brahman Rishyasringa.’

    Balakanda Ramayana

    6.Ravana in Gokarna.

    Gokarna is the place where Ravana kept the Atmalinga down.

    7.Sage Agastya killed Vatapi .

    There is a lake called Agastya Lake bear Vatapi, now called as Badami.

    Archeological evidence.

    The pre-historic culture of Karnataka (and South India in general) is called the hand-axe culture, as opposed to the Sohan culture of North India. Paleolithic hand axes and cleavers in the shape of pebbles made with quartz and quartzite which have been found in places such as Lingadahalli in Chikkamagaluru district and Hunasagi in Yadgir district, and a wooden spike atKibbanahalli in Tumkur district are examples of old stone age implements.There are reports that a polished stone axe was discovered at Lingasugur in the Raichur district[7][8] Neolithic sites (new stone age) of importance are Maski in Raichur district,Brahmagiri in Chitradurga district etc., with abundance of evidence that man begun to domesticate animals such as cows, dogs and sheep, use copper and bronze weapons, wear bangles, rings, necklaces of beads and ear-rings and have burial chambers. To the end of the Neolithic era, during the Megalithic age, people in Karnataka began to use long swords, sickles, axes, hammers, spikes, chisels and arrows, all made of iron.

    Scholarly hypothesis postulates contacts between the Indus Valley (3300 BCE – 1300 BCE) cities of Harappa and Lothal, citing the discovery of gold found in the Harappan sites that was imported from mines in Karnataka.

    Citations.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pampa_Sarovar

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anegundi

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Karnataka

  • Did Lord Rama Backstab Vali Rajaji’s Views

    There was a comment to my Post in Facebook that Lord Rama back stabbed Vaali and the commenter was

    defensive in asking this question by adding that he was embarrassed in asking this question as this is a very

    sensitive issue.

     

    Lord Rama Kills Vali, from Behind a Tree
    Rama Kills Vali By Stealth

    Well, Hinduism is not narrow-minded and it encourages questions on anything, if the question is in earnest.

     

    It does not consider this as blasphemy as some Religions do.

     

    Lord Rama killed Vali by hiding behind a tree.

     

    The reasons

    1. Vaali was harassing Sugriva, his brother.

    2.Vaali grabbed Sugriva’s Kingdom.

    3.He also coveted Sugriva’s Wife.

     

    4.Lord Rama wanted Sugriva’s help in finding Sita who was kidnapped.

     

    Lord Rama offered hid friendship to Sugriva and once , having given his  word as he would treat Vali as his friend he would stick by it, come what may.

     

    After being struck by The Rama Bana, Vali says to Lord Rama thus.

     

    ‘Rama you are the son of the Righteous Dasaratha.

    Your reputation as a fair-minded person precedes you.

    You are the embodiment of Dharma and fair play.

     

    Yet you chose to kill me hiding behind a tree. while I was fighting Sugriva.

     

    Why did you do this?

     

    • What was my crime?
    • Even if I committed a crime (with my brother), what is your right to kill me?
    • The third statement shows Vali’s disapproval of the way Rama killed him.
    • He says, “I was fighting with some other person and was not careful enough when you shot me.”

     

    Lord Rama replied,

    Lord Rama promises to Kill Vali
    Rama Vows to Kill Vali

     

    Vali, you speak as if you are the embodiment of Virtues.

     

    You grabbed what was essentially entitled to Sugriva, his share of the Kingdom.

     

    You coveted his wife.

     

    Hence you deserve to be killed by me.

     

    When some one breaks the Dharma, it is my duty to set the Dharma right by punishing the Guilty and protecting the Wronged.

     

    And I have accepted Sugriva as my friend and had given him my word that I would help him to relieve him of hid fear of you in return for his assurance to find Sita for me”.

     

    • The younger brother should be treated like a son. Even if he made a mistake you should forgive him, especially when he promised to respect you for your whole life.
    • About his authority he said he had permission from King Bharat to spread righteousness and punish evils.
    • The third argument he quoted how great kings did hunting of deers in the past. In fact, Vali in principle could also be kept in the category of deers (as he was a Vanara and not a Human) and a hunting king does not care whether the deer was careful or not.

     

    Vali replies,

     

    ‘Rama,

     

    You speak as if you have performed a very noble act.

     

    These are my points,

     

    1.Rama, since when your Reign extended to Kishkinta?

     

    Who are you to intrude into my kingdom and kill me in this fashion?

     

    2.The Dharma of Vanaras is different for Vanaras from what is applicable to Human Beings.

     

    As a Vanara we have our Mores, including the sanction to have one other’s wife.

     

    Which Smriti did you learn from?

     

    If you had become friends with Sugriva only with the intention of finding you wife,you have made a wrong choice

     

    You should have come to me, who had Ravan tucked under my Tail and had him hung as a toy for mu son

    Angadha’s Cradle.

     

    You need not have troubled your self.

     

    I would have ordered Ravana to hand over Sita and he would have done.

     

    If he had not done, I would have killed him.

     

    By no standards what you done is Right.

     

    Lord Rama did not have an answer.

     

    The argument still rages on.

     

    C.Rajagopalachari, known as Rajaji, the man wrote the Vyasar Virundhu, Mahabharata in Tamil, Chakkaravarthi Thirumakan, Ramayana, and

     

    a GreatStatesman India has ever produced and whom Gandhi called as ‘his conscience,’ gave a reply.

     

    ” There is a debate on the issue of Rama killing Vali by unfair means.

     

    Lord Rama is considered to be the embodiment of Dharma.

     

    Just as a small inkblot spoils a white Dhoti, this small act of His, evokes heated discussion.

     

    In the others it would have gone unnoticed.

     

    Having been described as a perfect Human Being, this appears to be a very serious issue.

     

    Technically Vali is Right.

     

    Valmiki wrote the Ramayana as it happened and the Ramayana is not a fiction.

     

    Had it been so, Valmiki could have omitted this episode and written Rama killed Vali on a direct fight, to

     

     

    show Rama as a Perfect Human Being.

     

    No body is going to find out this.

     

    This very narration that implies a wrong doing by Rama itself proves that the Ramayana is Real.

     

    And Lord Rama paid for this , by being killed by a Fisherman in a similar fashion in the Avatar of Lord Krishna.

     

    And I would say this to those who try to sully the name Rama on this issue,

     

    ‘You try to follow at least 1% of what Rama said and try to be like him a minuscule.

     

    Ten you would not be asking this question.

     

    And to me, it is That.

     

    Later Vali regretted his outburst and asked Rama’s forgives is a different issue.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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