Tag: Atharvaveda

  • Vedic Embryology Garbhopanishad

    The scriptures of the Hindus, Vedas speak of Embryology.

     

    There are references in the Puranas to Embryology.

     

    1.Dadisi’s Stemcell was taken from his backbone, when Dadisi gave his backbone to Indra, Chief of Devatas to enable him to create a Powerful weapon, Vajrayadudha.

     

    2.Sage Agasthya was born in Pot, with Semen being kept in it.

     

    3.Lord Krishna taught Abhimanyu the Chakravyuha., a Battle formation.

     

    There are more instances, I shall be posting on this in detail.

     

    I have published an article on Human Conception Embryology in The Vedas where I have dealt with references to Bhagavatham and Charaka Samhita.

     

    We have a Upanishad fully devoted to Embryology.

     

    It is Garbhopanishad by Paippalada.

     

    Here is the Translation.

     

     

    Om ! May He protect us both together; may He nourish us both together; May we work conjointly with great energy, May our study be vigorous and effective; May we not mutually dispute (or may we not hate any). Om ! Let there be Peace in me ! Let there be Peace in my environment ! Let there be Peace in the forces that act on me !
    The body is fivefold in nature (the five elements), existing in the five, depending on the six (tastes of food), connected with the six qualities (kama etc.,), seven Dhatus, three impurities, three Yonis (of excretion) and four kinds of food.
    Why say ‘Fivefold in nature ?’ The five elements Earth, Water, Fire, Wind and Ether. In this body, whatever is hard is of Earth, liquid is water, warm is fire, whatever moves about is air and space-enclosed is ether. The function of the Earth is to support, water is to consolidate (digestion etc.,). Fire is to see, wind is for moving, Ether is to give space (for vital functions).
    The eyes are used in seeing form, ears for sound, tongue for taste, the skin and nose for touch and smell respectively; genital for pleasure, Apana is for evacuation (of bowels). The person cognises through the intellect, wills with the mind and speaks with the tongue.
    The six-fold support is the six tastes (of food): sweet, acid, salty, pungent, bitter and astringent.
    1-7. Sadja, Risabha, Gandhara, Panchama, Madhyama, Dhaivata, Nisadha – these are the seven agreeable and disagreeable sounds. White, Red, Black smoke-coloured, Yellow, Tawny and Pale-White – these are the colours of the seven Dhatus (primary Humours). Why ? For Devadatta (any person) there springs up in his mind desire for enjoyment of objects. From relish of food blood is born, from it is flesh, thence fat, bones, marrow, semen; by the combination of semen and blood the foetus is born.
    Vital warmth springs up in the womb and the belly. In the seat of the warmth bile, Prana flows – at the proper season ordained by the creator.
    8. The embryo lying (in the womb) for (a day) and night is a confused mass; after seven days it becomes a bubble; after a fortnight, a mass and in a month, it hardens. In two months develops the region of the head; in three months, the feet; in the fourth, belly and hip; in the fifth, the backbone; in the sixth, nose, eyes and ears; in the seventh the embryo quickens with life and in the eighth month, it becomes complete.
    9. By the dominance of the father’s semen, the child becomes male; the mother’s – female. When equal, a eunuch. If, at the time of impregnation, the parents are agitated, the child will be blind, crippled, hunch-backed or stunted in growth. If the couple have vital-air-trouble, the semen enters in two parts resulting in twins.
    10. In the eighth month, in conjunction with the five vital airs the Jiva gets the capacity to know its past affairs (of past births), conceives of the imperishable Atman as Om, through perfect knowledge and meditation. Having known Om he sees in the body the eight Prakritis derived from it the five elements, mind, intellect and ego and the sixteen changes [see Prasnopanishad].
    11. The body becomes complete in the ninth month and remembers the past birth. Actions done and not done flash to him and he recognises the good and bad nature of Karma.
    12-17. ‘I have seen thousands of wombs, eaten several kinds of food and sucked many breasts; born and dead often, I am immersed in grief but see no remedy. If I can get out of this, I will resort to Sankhya-Yoga which destroys misery and yields liberation; or I resort to Maheshvara who destroys misery. Or I resort to Narayana, who destroys misery. If I did good and bad deeds for the sake of my dependants, I shall myself be burnt for the deeds – the others who enjoyed the fruits go away (unaffected).
    18. The person being squeezed as it were by a machine is touched by all-pervading air and forgets previous births and deeds.
    19. Why is the body so called ? It has three fires: the Kosthagni ripens all that is eaten; the Darsanagni helps one see colour etc., the Jnanagni is the mind which helps perform good and bad deeds.
    20. The Daksinagni is in the heart; Garhapatya in the belly and Ahavaniya in the mouth; the intellect is the performer’s consort, contentment is Diksha, sense organs are the utensils, head is the jar, hair is the sacred grass, the mouth the interior of the altar etc.

    Here ends the Garbhopanishad belonging to the Krishna-Yajur-Veda.

    *Translated by Dr. A. G. Krishna Warrier
    Published by The Theosophical Publishing House, Chennai.

     

    Date of Garbhopanishad.

    Moore hints at amazement with the Garbha Upanishad in almost the same breath. Regarding this text, he writes:
    A brief Sanskrit treatise on ancient Indian embryology is thought to have been written in 1416 B.C.

    This scripture of the Hindus, called Garbha Upanishad, describes ancient ideas concerning the embryo.

    It states:
    From the conjugation of blood and semen the embryo comes into existence.

    During the period favorable to conception, after the sexual intercourse, (it) becomes a Kalada (one-day-old embryo).

    After remaining seven nights it becomes a vesicle.

    After a fortnight it becomes a sperical mass. After a month it becomes a firm mass [12]

    Pre-2000 BCE
    The first question concerns the date of the Garbha Upanishad. Since it is ascribed to Pippalāda, we need to determine this sage’s place in the Vedic tradition, although it is believed that the text may not be as old as the sage. Pippalāda is also the instructing sage of the Praśna Upani¬ad and the author of the Atharvaveda śākhā named after him (Paippalāda śākhā). As a principal arranger of the Atharvaveda, he should be assigned to at least the middle of the second millennium BCE, if the ›gveda is to be taken to be no later than 2000 BCE, as is suggested by hydrological evidence related to the drying up of the Sarasvatī river around this time, and the fact that the ›gveda celebrates this river as the great river of its time, flowing from the mountains to the sea.
    According to the Purāªas, Pippalāda was the disciple of the ›¬i Vedasparśa, and he instructed Yudhi¬−hira in the significance of the A¡gāravrata, which is based on a dialogue between ˜ukra and Virocana.
    The physiological knowledge in the Garbha Upani¬ad is consistent with that found in the oldest Upani¬ads. Like the other texts, it speaks of recursion, but it doesn’t list as many channels (veins and nerves) as the other texts do. This indicates that this Upani¬ad may be older than what has been assumed.
    Pippalāda answers six questions in the Praśna Upani¬ad, a number that is reminiscent of the six darśanas. The six questions touch upon six different aspects of reality: forms (nyāya), basis of life (mīmā÷sā), origins (sā÷khya), devas within (yoga), next world (vedānta), and modifications (vaiśe¬ika). This is not an argument for the lateness of the Praśna Upani¬ad, but rather for the remote antiquity of six bases to reality, which mirroring the six directions..

    Citation.

    (http://www.geocities.com/freethoughtmecca/embryo.html)

    (Link does not seem to work)

     

    http://ramanisblog.in/2014/05/22/human-conception-embryology-in-the-vedas/

  • Saptha Rishis Qualification Details

    Saptha Rishis, the Seven Sages are revered most in Hinduism and they are given the pride of Place.

     

    They are represented in the sky as the Saptha Mandala.(Ursa Major)

     

    What are the qualifications of these Saptha Rishis?

     

    1.Performing the basic six duties of a Brahmin.

     

    Learning the Vedas,

     

    Teaching the Vedas to the qualified, by way of disposition and discipline, to others.

     

    Perform Yagna,

     

    Perform Yagnas for the others.

     

    Perform Dhana (Donate),

     

    Accept Dhana.

     

    In addition they should have the following qualities.

     

    Run a Gurukula, where the children are taught, at Home and take care of the disciples as their own children.

     

    Enter the family Life only for begetting a progeny.

     

    Regulate the senses.

     

    Contented.

     

    Treat all the Varnas, loosely translated now as Caste, equally.

     

    Though Brahma Gnanis, remain in the worldly affairs without being affected by it.

     

    The Saptha Rishis change for every Yuga.

     

    Saptha Rishis of  the present Manvantara are,

     

    Atri, Bhrigu, Kuthsa, Vasishta, Gautama, Kasyapa and Angirasa.

     

    Goddess Mahlakshmi was born to Atri  ,Bhrigu.

     

    Vasishta was the Guru of Rama and a Brahma Rishi.

     

    Kasyapa was the Father of all the Devas and asuras,including the Adithyas, including Vishnu as an Aditya.

     

    Angirasa compiled Atharva Veda.

     

    Kuthsa gave 82 Rig Vedic Sukthas 62 Rudra Mantras and Prokshana Mantra.

     

    Gautama is called ‘Dhrusta,, discoverer of Vedic Mantras, he was the husband of Ahalya and Rajaa Guru of Janaka.

     

    Second Manvantara — the interval of Swarochisha Manu

    Urja, Stambha, Prańa, nanda , Rishabha, Nischara, and Arvarívat.

    Third Manvantara — the interval of Auttami Manu

    Sons of Vashista: Kaukundihi, Kurundi, Dalaya, Śankha, Praváhita, Mita, and Sammita.

    Fourth Manvantara — the interval of Támasa Manu

    Jyotirdhama, Prithu, Kavya, Chaitra, Agni, Vanaka, and Pivara.

    Fifth Manvantara — the interval of Raivata Manu

    Hirannyaroma, Vedasrí, Urddhabahu, Vedabahu, Sudhaman, Parjanya, and Mahámuni.

    Sixth Manvantara – the interval of Chakshusha Manu

    Sumedhas, Virajas, Havishmat, Uttama, Madhu, Abhináman, and Sahishnnu.

    The present, seventh Manvantara — the interval of Vaivasvata Manu

    Kashyapa, Atri, Vashista, Vishvamitra, Gautama, Jamadagni and Bharadvaja

     

    * There is a variation in the names of the Saptha Rishis of the present Vaivasvatha Manvantara.

     

    Citation.Wiki.

    Image.http://www.greatdreams.comUrsa Major

     

     

  • Sarabeswara Astothra Prathyingara Female Narasimha

    Sarabeswara is an Avatar of Lord Shiva and Prthaynkara ,an Amsa ,part manifestation of  Devi.

    Narasimha, an a Man Lion Avatar of Vishnu, after killing Hiranyakasipu, remained furious and was ferocious, having tasted Blood, which induced Rajo Guna.

    Devathas effort to calm Him down were of no avail.

    At the behest of the Devas, Lord Shiva took the form of Sarabeswara, Bird Animal.

    To cool down Vishnu, (it may be noted that Vishnu is known for His Calm and Serene demeanor),Lord Shiva , (with the help of Devi), had two wings, Prathyankara and Soolini, the parivaras of Devi .

    The two wings of the Saraba could not cool down Narasimha, despite the wings fanning Him.

    Out of Vishnu’s anger rose Kandaberunda and it started attacking Shiva.

    Shiva then ordered Prathyankara to fight.

    Prathyankara killed Kandaberuna and drank his blood.

    Devi Pratyangira was released from his wings and took the female form of Narasimha and calmed down Lord Narasimha.

    She is also known as Narasimhika [in Kalisahasranama Stotram).

    Sobered Narasimha then cooled down.

    Narasimha then performed an Astotra for Lord Shiva.

    Lord Shiva then revealed to all the Devas that “to annihilate the Asura, Lord Narasimha came, and to appease Lord Narasimha, I have come as Sarabeswara. Be aware that we are both one and the same like water and water, milk and milk, ghee and ghee, both inseparable and to be worshipped as one”.

    “Yatha Jaley Jalam, Kshiptham, Ksheeram, Ksheeray Kruthang Kruthey|
    Yekayeva Thatha Vishnu: Shiva Leetho Nachanyatha”||

    Lord Brahma, out of gratitude for saving the universe from the anger of Sri Narasimha, worshipped Lord Sarabeswara with “Sri Sarabeswara Ashtothra”.

    The advent of Sri Sarabeswara has been vividly mentioned in Atharva Veda, Linga Purana, Skanda Purana and Brahmanda Purana. Special mention is also made in Rigveda and Thaitriya as well, at the Uttara bhaga of Sri Lalitha Sahasranama.

    “Paayaanno Deva: Sarabasthva Payaath
    Sathaarirogath Vipinorakaapyam
    Vaiswanaro Kugari Ritchakebya:
    Prethebyo Bhoothebyo Rusha: Krudanthan” ||
    (Atharva Veda) 

    The Veda mantras affirm that all our sins are wiped off by chanting the powerful mantra of Sri Sarabha. Sage Veda Vyasa in his Linga Purana (96th Chapter) categorically says that those who worship Sri Sarabeswara, will get rid of all the afflictions caused by bad dreams, chronic ailments, poisonous bites, besides the great disasters caused by earthquake, floods, cyclone, thunder, lightning and such bad conglomerations.

    “Sarva Vigna Prasamanam, Sarva Vyadi Vinasanam
    Arichakra Prasamanam, Sarva Dukka Vinasanam,
    Atraanyothpada Bookamba thaavagni Paamasu Vrishtisu
    Thatho duswapna Samanam, Sarvabhootha Nivaranam,
    Vishagraha Kshayakaram Puthra powthraadhi Vardhanam,
    Thathraksha Daaranam Kuryaath Jangamaangey Varaananey”|| Linga Purana – 96

    Sarabeswara Astothra Sathanamavali.

    Sri Sarabeswara Ashtothara Sathanamavali !!

    Om Sarabeswaraya Nama:

    Ugraya Nama:

    Veeraya Nama:

    Bhavaya Nama:

    Vishnuvey Nama:

    Rudraya Nama:

    Bheemaya Nama:

    Kruthyaya Nama:

    Manyavey Nama:

    Sarvaya Nama:

    Sankaraya Nama:

    Haraya Nama:

    Kala Kalaya Nama:

    Mahakalaya Nama:

    Mruthyuvey Nama:

    Nithyaya Nama:

    Veerabhadraya Nama:

    Sahasrakshaya Nama:

    Meedushey Nama:

    Mahathey Nama:

    Agraya Nama:

    Mahadevaya Nama:

    Devaya Nama:

    Shooliney Nama:

    Ekaya Nama:

    Neelakandaya Nama:

    Sreekandaya Nama:

    Pinakiney Nama:

    Anandaya Nama:

    Sookshmaya Nama:

    Mryuthyu Mryuthyuvey Nama:

    Paraya Nama:

    Parameswaraya Nama:

    Parathparaya Nama:

    Parey Shithrey Nama:

    Bhagavathey Nama:

    Vishwa Moorthaye Nama:

    Vishnu Kalathraya Nama:

    Vishnu Kshethraya Nama:

    Bhanavey Nama:

    Kaivarthaya Nama:

    Kirathaya Nama:

    Maha Vyadhaya Nama:

    Shambhavey Nama:

    Bhairavaya Nama:

    Saranyaya Nama:

    Maha Bhairava Roopiney Nama:

    Nrusimha Samharthrey Nama:

    Kala Kalaya Nama:

    Puraraye Nama:

    Papaika Samharthrey Nama:

    Vishnu Mayanthakariney Nama:

    Tryambakaya Nama:

    Mahesaya Nama:

    Shipivishtaya Nama;

    Mruthyunjayaya Nama:

    Sarvanyaya Nama:

    Yamaraye Nama:

    Kadolkaya Nama:

    Hiranyaya Nama:

    Vahnirethasey Nama:

    Maha Pranaya Nama:

    Jeevaya Nama:

    Prana Bana Pravarthiney Nama:

    Trigunaya Nama:

    Trishoolaya Nama:

    Gunatheethaya Nama:

    Jishnavey Nama:

    Yanthra Vahanaya Nama:

    Yanthra Parivarthiney Nama:

    Chith Vyomney Nama:

    Sookshmaya Nama:

    Pungavadheesa Vahiney Nama:

    Paramaya Nama:

    Vikaraya Nama:

    Sarva Karana Hethavey Nama:

    Kapaliney Nama:

    Karalaya Nama:

    Pathaye Nama:

    Punya Keerthaye Nama:

    Amoghaya Nama:

    Agninethrey Nama:

    Lakshmishaya Nama:

    Sambhavey Nama:

    Bhishakthamaya Nama:

    Chandaya Nama:

    Ghora Roopiney Nama:

    Devaya Nama:

    Deva Devaya Nama:

    Bhavani Pathaye Nama:

    Avyakthaya Nama:

    Vishokaya Nama:

    Veera Dhanvaney Nama:

    Sarnnavaya Nama:

    Krithivasaya Nama:

    Pancharnnava Hethavey Nama:

    Eka Padhaya Nama:

    Chandrardha Moulaye Nama:

    Adhwararajaya Nama:

    Vatsalam Pathaye Nama:

    Yogidhyeya Nama:

    Sathwaya Nama:

    Rudraya Nama:

    Paramathmaney Nama:

    Sarvathmaney Nama:

    Sarveshwarathmaney Nama:

    Kali Durga Sametha Veera Sarabeswara Swaminey Nama:

    This will cure the effects of black magi, mental disorders of any kind, accidental deaths in the family.

    Articles to follow on Prathyankara Devi and more on Sarabeswara.

    Citation.

    http://indiatempletour.blogspot.in/2012/06/sri-sarabeswara-ashtothara.html

  • Atharva Veda Medicine Black Magic Text

    Of the Four Vedas, the Scriptures of the Hindus,the Ataharva Veda is less known as compared to Rig,Yajur and Sama Vedas.

     

    It is not Athavana Veda as most people pronounce it.

     

    Atharveda is not as large as the Rug Veda.

     

    There are 10552 verses in Rig Veda and around 5987 verses (varies slightly based on recessions) in Atharva Veda.

     

    Thus Atharva Veda is a little more than half the size of Rig Veda.

     

    It is three times bigger than Yajur Veda or Sama Veda.

     

    From the preliminary analysis of the text, it is revealed that Atharva Veda was centered around the northern Sarasvati region and later became the text of the shamans in the Kuru kingdom which got established to the east of Sarasvati (in Haryana).

     

    Practitioners of Atharva Veda are now limited and they are found mostly in Maharashtra and Kerala, Gujarat.

     

    As compared to the other three Vedas, the Atharva Veda speaks more of Daily problems and solutions, like diseases,black magic.

     

    The name Atharva Veda is a compound of Atharva, the Rishi who compiled it and Veda, meaning Knowledge.

     

    The Atharvaveda was mainly composed by two groups of rishis known as the Atharvanas and the Angirasa.

     

    Hence its oldest name is Ātharvāṅgirasa. In the Late Vedic Gopatha Brahmana, it is attributed to the Bhrigu and Angirasa.

     

    Additionally, tradition ascribes parts to other rishis, such as Kauśika, Vasiṣṭha and Kaśyapa.

     

    There are two surviving recensions (śākhās), known as Śaunakīya (AVS) and Paippalāda (AVP)

     

    The Schools,Shakas.

     

    1. paippalāda, regions south of the Narmada River
    2. stauda
    3. mauda
    4. śaunakīya, regions north of the Narmada River
    5. jājala
    6. jalada
    7. kuntap
    8. brahmavada
    9. devadarśa
    10. cāraṇavaidyā

     

    Disease and Medicines in Atharva Veda.

     

    Atharva Veda is the first Indic text dealing with medicine.

    It identifies the causes of disease as living causative agents such as the yatudhāna, the kimīdin, the krimi or kṛmi and the durṇāma.

    The Atharvans seek to kill them with a variety of incantations or plant-based drugs in order to counter the disease .

    This approach to disease is quite different compared to the trihumoral theory of Ayurveda.

    Atharva Veda suggests germs as a cause for leprosy and also talks about Anti-Biotics.

     

    Atharva Veda also talks about Warfare.

     

    A variety of devices, such as an arrow with a duct for poison (apāskambha) and castor bean poison, poisoned net and hook traps, use of disease-spreading insects and smoke screen.

     

    Abhicarika Prayoga, Deployment of Black Magic.

     

    The major rituals covered by the Atharva Veda are marriage in kāṃḍa – XIV and the funeral in kāṃḍa – XVIII.

    There are also hymns that are specific to rituals of the bhṛgu-aṅgirasas, vrātyas and kṣatriyas.

    One peculiar rite is the Viṣāsahi Vrata, performed with the mantras of the XVII kāṃḍa in a spell against female rivals.

     

    Atharva Veda contains mantras for white magic (defensive magic) as well as black magic (offensive magic).

    It deals with rivalries between women in relationship with the same man, rivalries between two men, attracting /seducing a man by a woman or a woman by a man and suggests incantations that can be used in such situations.

     

    Atharva Veda Black magic and Western Black magic.

     

    Many of the hymns in Atharva Veda containing invocations to cure diseases or to ward of diseases and magical incantations to defend against evils done by enemies or to proactively attack evil-doers indicates a religion and philosophy which has its parallels in the Shamanic traditions in the whole world.

    Since Atharva Veda is the oldest text describing these practices and since it is still preserved without much modification, it is possible that Shamanic traditions worldwide have their origins in the Atharva Vedic religion.

    This could mean that the Shamaic traditions in Europe such as those in Ireland, Belgium etc could have its origins in the Atharva Vedic-homeland in Saraswati-Ganga basins.

    Similar traditions are also found in the southern India and in various pockets of central and eastern India.

    This situation however can also be explained without a migration scenario.

    It is possible that the Shamanic traditions well-preserved in Atharva Veda was one important part of the global Shamanic traditions that had already spread throughout Asia, Africa and Europe during the early days of awakening of the human civilization.

     

    Atharva Veda Text in  English by Ralph T.H.Griffith.

     

    Citation.

     

    http://ancientvoice.wikidot.com/article:atharva-veda

     

  • Break In Eternity Vedas Dates Rishis Mantras

    The Vedas, the Sacred Books of the Hindus, transmitted orally are considered to be Apaurusheya, not Man mad, grasped from Ether by the Seers  intuitively.

     

    The are to be ‘Heard’, Sruthi, not learnt from written Books.

     

    Rigveda (padapatha) manuscript in Devanagari, early 19th centur.Image.jpg
    Rigveda (padapatha) manuscript in Devanagari, early 19th century.

     

    However, the written form of the Vedas are in the form of Manuscripts.

     

    “Due to the ephemeral nature of the manuscript material (birch bark or palm leaves), manuscripts rarely surpass an age of a few hundred years.

     

    The Benares Sanskrit University has a Rigveda manuscript of the mid-14th century and there are a number of older Veda manuscripts in Nepal belonging to the Vajasaneyi tradition that are dated from the 11th century onwards.”

     

    The core text of the Yajurveda falls within the classical Mantra period of Vedic Sanskrit at the end of the 2nd millennium BCE – younger than the Rigveda, and roughly contemporary with the Atharvaveda, the Rigvedic Khilani, and the Sāmaveda.

    The scholarly consensus dates the bulk of the Yajurveda and Atharvaveda hymns to the early Indian Iron Age, c. 1200 or 1000 BC, corresponding to the early Kuru Kingdom.

     

    There is a dispute about the exact date of the Manuscripts.

     

    What is to be borne in mind is that the spoken word being older than the written word, and considering the richness of the Language used the Vedas must date quite a few thousand years than the date of the Manuscripts.

     

    But be it as it may.

     

    What I am interested is not about the date of the Vedas but the dates of Vedas when seen in conjunction with the Ithihasas, Ramayana and Puranas.

     

    They themselves admit that the follow the Vedas and as such mus be post-Veda.

     

    Fine, no issues,

     

    But when the Vedas contain references to the Puranas, Ihihsas or their Characters found therein?

     

    Vedas contain,

     

    1. Rama-rahasyopanishad.
    2. Rama-tapany-upanishad.
    3. Vasudevopanishad.
    4. Gopala-tapany-upanishad.
    5. Krishnopanishad.
    6. Nrisimha-tapaniyopanishad.
    7. Yajnavalkyopanishad.
    8. Varahopanishad

     

     

    Of these,are characters   from The Ramayana(1,2 ) ,: 3, 4 , 5  from Mahabharata and Bhagavatham while 6 ,7, and 8 from Puranas ..

     

    Yagnavalkya is reported to have vomited the Vedas , Taittriyas.

     

    If one looks at these the question that comes to mind is,

     

    If the Purana, Ithihasas are later than the Vedas, how come they are mentioned in the Vedas?

     

    It is also stated that Viswamitra gave the world the Gayatri Mantra, to whom it was revealed.

     

    The Rig Vedic version has one syllable short and Taittriya Aranyaka has the full detailed version.

     

    Does this mean that before it was revealed to Viswamitra no body chanted it?

     

    Yet there are references of the Rishis chanting the Gayatri before the advent of Viswamitra.

     

    How and why?

     

    Therefore my options are.

    1. That the Vedas are not eternal I do not subscribe to this view.

    2.The References to Puranas are Interpolations.- Possible.

    3.That as Sound precedes being grasped, Sounds  that exists eternally, are picked up at different times by the different Seers and are recorded.

     

    Eminently possible.

     

    Understanding Infinity and Zero are equally beyond me.

     

    In this sense eternity seems to have a break in that while Sound is Eternal, grasping it not.

     

    Inputs welcome.

     

    Citation.

    http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Hinduism/The_Vedas