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  • Shiva Means Vaasi Yoga Of Thirumoolar

    The treasures of  Sanatan Dharma is so rich and huge one may not even touch its periphery in one’s Lifetime

    If one were to give up linguistic and regional bias, one may unearth these treasures.

    I have in many of my posts written on the myth of Tamil and Sanatana Dharma being inimical to each other

    They complement each other

    Siva.jpg
    Lord Shiva.

    If one were to read the Vedic texts and ancient Tamil Texts one may notice the following points

    1.Shiva is not directly mentioned in the Vedas nor do we find any sukthas ascribed/devoted to Him.His name appears in Sri Rudram, Rudra being an amsa of Shiva and not Shiva in His full Glory

    2.Other Gods,Narayna, Vishnu,Varuna, Indra,Agni,Vaayu,Durga, Lakshmi and a Host of others are mentioned in the Vedas

    3.Ancient Tamil Spiritual texts mention the following  Deities and the earliest Grammar work Tholkaapiyam assigns the territories in which they are the Chief Gods.

    A).Kurinji,mountainous terrain, Chief Deity is, Cheyon(means The son)  called Murugan , that is Subrahmanya  . Interestingly Vedas do not mention Subrahmanya directly.

    B)Mullai, Pastoral lands, the Chief Deity is Maayaon, Vishnu.Maayon means Illusionist, one who creates the Yoga maaya .This is in keeping with the. description of Vishnu in Vedas and the Puranas.

    C).Marutham, Paddy fields/arable lands, Chief Deity is Indra..

    D)Neydhal, Sea and adjoining areas , Chief Deity is Varuna and

    E)Paalai, Desert Region, Chief Deity is Durga, called Kotravai in Tamil.

    Even in Tamil, which is believed to have been founded by Lord Shiva,He is not assigned a Region in the manner described above

    4.The Yoga system of the Vedic system is by Patanjali.

    5.Patanjali is a disciple of Shiva along with Sage Agastya and Bhogar according to Tamil Classics

    6.The Yoga  developed Thirumoolar, meaning The auspicious first in his Thirumandiram is different from Patanjali’s Yoga Sutra.

    7.Yoga developed by Agastya follows Thirumoolar and is different from Patanjali’s.

    The meaning Shiva in Sanskrit is Auspiciousness. Mangalam.

    No other meaning is assigned to this word.

    In Tamil the etymology is slightly different..

    Shiva is from Vaa Si.

    Vaasi when repeated in quick succession becomes Siva!

    ‘வாசி வாசி என்று வாசித்த தமிழ் இன்று
    சிவா சிவா என சிந்தை தனில் நின்று
    அவாவினால் இந்த ஒளவைத் தமிழ் கொண்டு
    கவிபாடினான் உன்னைக் கண் குளிரக் கண்டு!

     

    Listen to this’ for Vaasi becoming Shiva,

    Now Vaasi is a special type of Yoga.

    It is different from the Yoga of Patanjali.

    It is by Thirumoolar and foll0wed by Sage Agastya.

     

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    Vaasi yoga (vasi yoga) is a form of yoga that concentrates on the breath naadi (nadi), the cycle of the distribution of oxygen throughout the body, that occurs as part of the breathing process. Indian philosophy describes prana (life force) as flowing in channels called naadis. Vaasi yoga attempts to heal the body and sprirt by cleansing the breath naadi, and thus prepare for balance, true consciousness of self and then enlightenment. As such it is one of the kaya kalpa, the class of ancient yogic rejuvenation therapies. As a yogic practice it is an art of living taught by siddhars for over 3000 years ago, as initiated by Lord Shiva. Like other advanced types of yoga which should be practiced only under the guidance of Guru. Vaasi yoga is practiced by very few.

    Vaasi yogam is the attainment of consciousness about the silent sound in our breath. To attain this consciousness, the body should be devoid of any waste. To remove all the waste from one’s body, one should be taught with asanas by a guru who should be in a position to analyze the naadi functionality of one’s body. A guru who has the capacity to analyze the naadi functionality is called Siva Sithan.’

    Vaasi is not Nadi.

    It is the mental flow of Breath .

    In Patanjali’s Yoga one regulates  the Physical Breath.

    In Vaasi One controls the Mental Breath…

    There has been lot of reference of this yoga to kriya yoga or kundalini prayanama (Yogic Breathing to increase the pranic energy). But all of the above practices are being followed or taught, without empowering the body to practice it. In other words, when the physique is not devoid of waste and when one with such a physique, practices any kind of yoga or breathing techniques, it will only aggravate the body conditions due to the heat or agni produced. All other kinds of yoga do not tend to remove the waste from the body, instead only rise the body temperature and increase the appetite. But in Vaasi yoga, food intake gets controlled automatically and one can control the appetite for food casually.

     

    Our body cells need oxygen derived from air. There are some definite paths for oxygen to reach the cells and to go out of cells. These paths have some energy centres. These centres control the organs and their functions. This pattern, this throb, which is called ‘Naadi’ in Tamil, differs from person to person. The pulse beat should be not taken for ‘Naadi’. For a healthy living the Naadi has to function properly and be fully active. The imbalance in the Naadi functionality is the root cause of all ailments and diseases. By practicing Vaasi Yoga Naadi functionality gets strengthened and healthy living is achieved. Vaasi Yoga is a technique to breath. The yogis who are expert in vaasi yoga avoids breathing through normal nostrils. But they exhale the air upward towards kapala (Brain). This strengthens the brain and give brightness to face and whole body too. Siddhar Shiva vaakiyar (Tamilnadu) has narrated the secret of Vaasi yoga and its benefit.

     

    Vaasi Yoga has unique nature of attaining the consciousness of the Self, by the following stages.

    1. Analysis of Nadi functionality – Guru must have the capacity to identify the imbalance between the 3 Nadis’ Idakalai, Pingalai and Sulumunai. The reason being, each individual is unique in nature and the functioning of the body will vary due to the imbalance in these 3 Nadis. The body temperature might be different for every individual based on Vatham, Pitham and Kabam. Hence, that has to be brought under control to a stable level before practicing any kind of yoga .
    2. Asanas to empower body – Based on the above analysis, Guru must have the capacity to teach breathing techniques and asanas to bring the body and breath to a stable condition devoid of any waste. During this period 5 kinds of waste disposal happens. Motion, urine, sweat, mucous and gas. This will happen for minimum of 3 months. Only at the end of 3 months with devoid of all the waste from the body, the breath will be in control. Only when breath is under control, Vaasi can act upon us.
    3. Realizing self – Only through Vaasi Yoga, one can attain the consciousness of the true Self. Another benefit of Vaasi yoga is being younger in appearance. Because Vaasi yoga will burn out all the waste in our body and will only look leaner and younger without any excess muscles in our body . This is the reason why Siddhars lived for years together.

    Vaasi Yoga practice simulates two special hormones 1. Seratonin 2. Melatonin.

    These two hormones ultimately stabilize all the working systems in our body.’

    The term Shiva from a process of a Yogic system,Vaasi Yoga, that Shiva is termed as Adi Guru, the First Siddha, and Dakshinamoorthy as a Preceptor , embodying Silence and Vaasi Yoga being the regulation of the silent Nadi lends to the view that Shiva was a  human being and became a Realized Soul .

    The term Sat Chit and Ananda is the description of the Reality,Brahman as descried in the Vedas.

    The term Sachidanda is used for Only Shiva.

    And Consciousness is elevated to Realization by Vaasi Yoga.

    I am providing some basic details of Vassi Yoga.

    Do Not Attempt to Practice without Initiation from a Guru.

    Practicing without initiation by a Guru may prove to be serious and at times Fatal.

     

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    t’s incredibly difficult to do vasi yoga in day to day life for common people. It’s not so easy to get initiated from the available real guru who is doing vasi yoga for several years with concealed achievements. To find out these types of yogic people is very difficult. Most of the people stay with families and kids. They never disclose to the public view. They will identify the eligible people and give it to their hands with chain reactions and initiation.  They know it’s very complicated to achieve the first stage of perception with lot of obstacles when a person starts the vasi yoga. Once after initiation of vasi yoga, yogi should be very careful on the day to day life, it makes you down until unless yogi follows the traditional rules and regulations.

    I have seen number of persons who had initiated and immediately met accidents with severe injuries and wind up the vasi yoga once stuck up with numerous family problems and other life hands down. It’s a force of accumulation and higher energy level was created manually by vasi yogis in the beginning stages. If the physical body is healthy, it did not make much difference on the physical health. They may face the heart pumping problems or running of lungs operations may vary. This is due to the hunting of heart pumps when the meditation slows down the alpha emit when the kundlini raises from the lower level.

    Emission starts slowly when yogic practices are gradually trending to the upper level of consciousness which comes out from the yogis when they start the real meditations. It’s spread out from the room and extends physically to the external level, how yogi meditates or the level of attaining the universal spot in the human body. Fission and fusion takes place in the internal way of flow once starts the vasi yoga. Here don’t take it as atomic theories. A yogi comes to know gradually they might have connected with an atom which spreads over the object in and around them. Here the subject is disappeared, so the image starts the process and flow along the vasi every time, mostly all the time, round the clock.

    It never makes difference between the deep sleep and a person on awake with consciousness. They feel to do yoga almost every time, alone, loneliness, facing difficulties when it’s raised up from the mooladhara. Then it starts works itelf constantly along the flow line of vasi from the bottom to top. It never changes the position and flow line. Where ever yogi wants to hold the vasi line, he makes it hampered and activate the chakra to open the vision and subject became spectator. Subject may deviate here. I bring to an end here.

     

    ‘Vasi yoga is the knack of breathing that allows one to simply transcend mind and in the process burn karma and vasanas (tendencies). Once karma and vasanas are burnt the soul is not different from the eternal truth, Brahmam.

    Question: Are Vasi yoga and Siddha yoga one and the same?

    Answer: Siddha yoga, Gathagatham, Kriya yoga are some of the other names given to Vasi yogam by different teachers. By whatever name it is known, the system is one and the same with some frills here and there at times. The method and practice is the same ultimately. It is about the secret of inner breath.

    Question: Who found this system first and taught this?

    Answer: It is said, LORD KRISHNA taught VASI YOGA. All Siddhas follow this system only.

    • I do not find evidence of Krishna Teaching Vaasi Yoga.Question: Is it ‘pranayama’?

      Answer: No! It is not the regular pranayama. In Hatayoga , Pranayama is associated with external breathing and methods of controlling it. Vasi is the ‘inner breath’ DISTINCT from the normal inhalation and exhalation of air through the nostrils. The knowledge and control of the inner breath is vasi yoga.

      Question: Can you explain how I should begin practicing it?

      Answer: No! It cannot be imparted online nor can it be learnt by reading a book. The aspirant should learn it in the physical presence of the teacher.

      Question: Can you please explain a little more about beginning the process?

      Answer: The ‘Gathi’ or the inner breath which is in a dormant state in all unenlightened human beings will be activated by the Sathguru through the teacher. The disciple is made aware of the inner breath and its path. There begins the journey of the disciple towards God. The Master will be with the aspirant until he/she reaches his/her final goal.

    • The verses of Bogar are given below for easy understanding on the practices of vasi yoga. Bogar has written evidently the practice of vasi yoga for the eligible person who does the karma in this birth. Verses elaborate yogi should not go beyond the mooladhara. Here mooladhara is quoted for ground reference for detailed explanation by mahayogi bogar. A verse says the kundlini lift up from the mooladhara and goes to the hole where it has closed for number of births. If unable to do, then nandhi will come in front of you and initiate you. Nandhi as described indirectly for yoga practices. Nandhi is located in front of lord shiva temples. Nandi mostly close the state of shiva and makes it’s unable to see the god from outside the temple. Here it’s indirectly described that nandhi comes and help you. When nandhi crosses and deviate the direction, Yogi can get the eight types of siddhis, supreme magical powers before attaining the god shiva. Don’t stay there for long time at this place, shift over in front of nandhi, and blow it continuously so that you can see the god in front of your eyes. The eyebrow opens the screens and shows in front of your real eyes, the appearance of Manonmaniyal, goddess. It’s a trap; yogis should not stay with this appearance of goddess.உழலாதே ஊணியடி மூலத்துள்ளே

      உறுத்தியே நந்திதனில் ஊதிஏறு

      நழலாதே நந்திவந்து உபதேசிப்பார்

      நலமாகும் எட்டெட்டுச் சித்திஎல்லாம்

      புழலாதே வாசிகொண்டு ஊதி ஊதி

      புருமையத் தேநின்று புகழ்ந்துபாரு

      வழலாதே வராட்டியனைத் தாண்டிநின்று

      வழியோடே சென்றேறி மனோன்மணியேகாணே

      Bogar

      The verses of Bogar given below indicate particularly on the running of vasi in yogis. Yogis can Suck all the vasi when he raises the kunlini and maintain it on the particular way of built, then its starts to show the dances of nataraja. If the built of vasi from the stream line starts parallel travel through vertical position from top to bottom, there will be development of sounds which is used to hear in the musical stages. Suddenly it inserts into the point of traverse from the vasi and intrudes into the thousand petals of hole and broke out from the humans and spread out in the universe.

      நாடுமிறந் தோடியே நமனுக்கெய்ப்பார்

      நலமான வாசிநிறைந் துள்ளேவாங்கில்

      ஆடுதிரு நடனமும் பலமும்காணும்

      ஆட்டினது குறிப்புத்தான் மேலோகீழோ

      நாடுமூலா தாராசபை தொந்தோம்என்று

      நாட்டியே தலமாறும் உருகிச்சுழிஊடே

      பூடுகபாலம் புகுந்து குருபதத்தின்மேவிப்

      புகுந்தமண்டலத்து இதழ்தான் ஆயிரத்துஎட்டே

       Bogar

      The verses below describes how the yogis to perform the vasi yoga. He should not have lust of fire on women, should not follow the ethics and rituals, not to fall on controversies and arguments, stay like a dumb and watch the programs around, avoid the lies, use the vaasi to uplift the practices, its drowse you and it makes you to prepare the solution as symptoms, don’t go beyond the tricky visions.

      அயிக்கியமாய் விழாதேநீ காமத்தீயில்

      அனுதினமும் வேதாந்த முடிவைப்பாராய்

      ஒயிக்கியமாய் ஒருவருடன் வாயாடாதே

      ஊமைபோல் இருந்துஉன்னி உன்னிப்பாரு

      தியக்கமாய்ப் பொய்கொலைகள் செய்திடாதே

      சேர்ந்தேறு வாசிஎன்ற தேசிதன்னில்

      மயக்கமாய் வத்துவைநீ பானம்பண்ணி

      மதத்தாலே அழியாதே மாயைநீக்கே

      Bogar

      Taken from the fire ashes to drink the fluid as considered as alcohol, make it in the format of stream line of yogic practices, have the herbs, avoid the dust particles, clean the solid, it tends to glow the eyes, go to the next stage and clean the semi liquid hanging on the door, closes the five senses and use the knife to cut it, don’t forget to do vasi yoga night and day

      மூட்டியே மதுஉண்ணு கற்பம்உண்ணு

      மூதண்ட காயத்தைச் சித்திபண்ணு

      காட்டியே கனத்த மூலிகையைஉண்ணு

      கசடுஅற்று குஞ்சனத்தில் கண்ஒளிதான்மீரும்

      அடுக்காறு தளத்திலுள்ள ஆமம்நீக்கு

      வாட்டியே அய்ம்புலனை வாளால்வீசு

      மறவாதே இரவுபகல் வாசிமாட்டே

      Bogar

      Agasthiyar discloses the practice of vasi yoga transparently; always bring the vasi in to resagam, pooragam. These two words indirectly indicate the flow direction of breath into left and right. Also indicates the yogi should stand with vasi in this flow direction. When the vasi begins, then there will be possibility of pseudo actions starts itself into the tricky vision and it lead to dreams. Yogi should not fall into that way of dreams, it’s a tricky path, nature doesn’t allow yogis to come into original path, it diverts. So yogi should stand with vasi along with shravana. It should not taken here as lord muruga, the subramaniyar. It’s a code word here for vasi. Yogi should bring the vasi into centre line of travel so that he can lock the door with the vasi knot after it opens.

      நிற்கையிலே ரேசக பூரகமுங்கொண்டு

      நிகட்சியுடன் வாசியோகந் தன்னில்நின்று

      சொற்பனமாம் சாத்தியங்கள் சுழுத்தியிலேகொண்டு

      தோறாமல் கலைதனையே இறுக்கிமாட்டி

      அற்பமுடன் மதியமுர்தக் கலையில்நின்று

      அப்பனே சிராவண பதத்தில் நின்று

      துற்பரவாய் மையநிலை மதியங்கொண்டு

      துரத்தியே வாசியென்ற கயிறைப்பூட்டே

                                               Agasthiyar

      Mahayogi Nandheeswar explains about vasi and compared with the control of breath. Verses say a yogi should keep it on the travel and hold the breath along with vasi. It traverses to left hand side of the yogi. Hence, yogi locates the line of direction and changes into right hand side of the vasi, and then observes from the left hand side of the breath. After some years, he can hold the sun and activated the vasi. Sun here represents as control of right hand breath. Then practice in to flow of direction from left to right hand side of the running breaths.

      வையடா பூரணத்தைக் கும்பகத்தில் வைத்து

      வளமான வாசியைத் தானொரு மனதாய்க் கட்டி

      கையடா பிங்கலையால் கும்பகத்தில் வைத்துக்

      கண்மணியே யிடைகலை வாங்கு வாங்கு

      மையடா விவ்விதமாய் வருஷங்கும்பி

      மகத்தான சூரியன்தான் வசியமாவான்

      அய்யடா விடைகலையிற் பூரகத்தில் நாட்டி

      அப்பனே பிங்கலையால் மெதுவாய் வாங்கே

      Nandheesar

      Matchamuni Naayanar describes the goddess Vaalai in the beginning point. Verses say that yogi should worship vaalai, the goddess throughout day and night with concentration and surrender; he can achieve everything without any disruption. Verses says after completion of vaalai worship then make self to make Om kept in the centre and worship the lord shiva, the nine mantras around the ohm represents here as lord shiva. Take the light and glow along the vasi and work out daily without any obstruction, it leads to appearance of lord shiva and yogi himself appear as lord shiva.

      வாலையைக் கண்டு வணங்கி நீ மைந்தா

      காலையு மாலையுங் கருத்தாய் வணங்கினால்

      ஆலைய மாகு மவனுருத் தானுந்

      தாழ்வது மில்லைத் தவமதுவாமே

      தவமது வாக சாத்துவோங் கேளு

      உவமான மில்லை யோங்கார வட்டத்துள்i

      சிவமான விந்துவைச் ம்மென்று பூசைசெய்

      நவமாந் திரேகம் நலச்சிவ யோகமே

      முத்திக் கொழுந்து முனைகொண்ட தீபம்

      நித்திப் பிடிக்கும் பதிவான வாசியை

      நித்தமும் நோக்கி நேர்நிலைக் கண்டால்

      சித்தம் பெருகி சிவனவ னாமே.

      References and Citations.

    •  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaasi_Yoga#Misconceptions_about_Vaasi_yoga

    .http://kthillairaj.blogspot.in/2013/08/vaasi-yogamvasi-yoga-3_30.html

    http://ourguru.net/Vasiyoga.aspx

     

  • Rishis Siddhas A Comparison

    The similarities and differences  between the Rishis and the Siddhars are very striking and also very difficult to notice, though this sounds paradoxical.

    Both are Realized souls.

    Both have recorded their experiences with Godhood in the form of Mantras by the Rishis and by Poems by the Siddhars.

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     The 18 sidddhas

    Both have established Guru Sishya Lineage.

    Both have their Idols installed in temples, though they are limited in Number.

    Both were devoted to the welfare of the Mankind.

    Both transcend Time and Space.

    Differences.

    While only seven Rishis are reported to be be beyond Space , Time and live forever, all the Siddhars are Timeless.

    All Siddhars were/are followers of Sanatna Dharma Vedas and a unique system developed by them, The Siddha system, while the Rishis  followed on only Sanatna Dharma.

    Vasishta, Viswamitra, Agstya are some exceptions.

    Siddhars seem to have worshiped only shiva while the Rishis all the Gods.

    Though some siddhars like Bhogar worshiped Goddess Bhuvaneswari, Agastya Ganesha, Subrahmanya.

    The Siddhars worshiped reality, Nirguna Brahman as sound.light and as Saguna Brahman Lord Shiva.

    Most of the Siddhars are from the South of Vindhyas though there are references that the North Indian Guru Parampara came from the Siddhas.

    Please read my articles on this.

    The Rishis, Seekers of Truth
    Rishis of India

    The Siddhas expressed themselves in Tamil while the Rishis in Sanskrit.

    Some Rishis have been advisers to Kings, like Vasishta, no Siddha is associated as an adviser to King.

    All Siddhas have been Rishis while not all Rishis were Siddhas.

    The Yoga system by the Siddhas is slightly different from the one By Patanjali in Sanskrit, though Patanjali is from South and a Siddha.

    Siddhas have developed alternate system of medicine based on hers found in the South, the Rishis , based on the herbs found in the North.

     

  • Agastya’s 26 Tunnels Montana US

     

    About two years back I wrote an article that the skeleton of Gatotgaja, son of Bhima was found.
    The information was from credible websites and I published the image of the Giant as well.
    On publishing I received information that the news item on this fake and I checked with Hoaxslayer.com.
    This site reconfirmed that the news was incorrect.
    However I have found additional information that the original information that there were Giants is correct.
    There is a systematic effort to deny such archological information relating to Human past especially if it relates to the so called scientific facts like Darwin’ s Evolution Theory.
    Information relating to UFOS, evidence indicating the existence of advanced ancient civilisations like Atlantis, Lemuria, Hyperborea and the ancient Sanana Dharma are dismissed as myths for no valid reason.
    Probably these western scholars are uncomfortable about the fact that there were more advanced Civilisations than the present one and they do not wish to contradict their strong belief that the great civilisations really came into being only after Greeks and Romans, however shaky these assumptions are.

    There is abundance of research material available to prove the Atlantis, Lemuria, Huperborea Indian Purana Events and characters, UFOS and Giants.
    It may interesting to note that most of the Giants are from the Patalaloka or the Nether World.

    These were referred to as Rakshasas, Asuras.
    Please refer my posts on this.
    Also interesting to note that the present America was called the Patalaloka , California was called Kapila Aranya, Sage Kapila,s Forest and there is Mount Ashes near it as stated in Indian Purana.
    Now to Giants.

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    Nazca lines Peru , Shiva’s Trishul.

    With Rosia Montana being a mining area, a number of interesting discoveries have been unearthed there over the years – one of the most interesting being a skeleton of a 10 meter (32.8 feet) tall giant which was found in 1976.

     

    About 5,500 years ago, an underground gallery was constructed in the region by the Agathyrsi. In February 2012, a group of geologists followed the gold vein in the same place. They kept digging until they ended up at the base of the gallery. To their utter surprise, they found a gravestone which was definitely not made of common rock. The geologists took a sample, and the laboratory results revealed that the components of the tombstone included 55% 50 karat gold dust, 15% granite dust and 30% wolfram. Also, the analysis revealed that the composite rock had been made using a type of technology unknown today.

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    Giant Skeleton, Montana.

    In February 2012, a group of geologists followed the gold vein in the same place. They kept digging until they ended up at the base of the gallery. To their utter surprise, they found a gravestone which was definitely not made of common rock. The geologists took a sample, and the laboratory results revealed that the components of the tombstone included 55% 50 karat gold dust, 15% granite dust and 30% wolfram. Also, the analysis revealed that the composite rock had been made using a type of technology unknown today.

    The Hyperborean Gallery Known by the name of “The Hyperborean Gallery” or “Gallery 13”, the place of this amazing discovery is located beneath Cornea village. A number of other discoveries were made at the site in 1976. However, in the name of “security” the anthropological and archaeological discoveries were deemed too unusual and shocking for the time, so the gallery was permanently sealed. The gravestone was not the only unusual item found inside the gallery. On it, archaeologists found a 10 meter (32.8 ft.) tall skeleton of a giant. Apparently, the giant had been buried there after his death, with his legs gathered on one side. Lacking the proper equipment necessary to analyze such a find, the skeleton was sent to Moscow. Unfortunately, nothing has been reported about the giant ever since.

    I was curious because Sananatana Dharma spread to all parts of the globe and archaeological finds confirm to this fact.

    There arecare refernces to various land masses described in Hindu texts that tally with the present flora and fauna , mountains, rivers.

    Plus when one checks their culture one finds the similarities and their roots go either to Sanatana Dharma or Tamils.

    And Agastya pops up in many a place.

    He is found on New Zealand.

    Please check my posts on these.

    There is a mountain in Romania  that has caves and these caves are connected to Kailash and Iraq.

    I have found a research paper that talks about Agastya helping the Pandavas escape from the house of lac built by Duryodhana.

    Agastya seems to have built 17 caverns for them to escape.

    The dwelling place of the Rakshsas was called Patala Loka.

    It was where Bhima of Mahabharata married Hidimbi and had a son through her Gatotgaja.

    ‘

    the house of lac Agastya says that the opening of the underground
tunnel through which the Pandavas escape, is covered up with the
ashes of the burnt house.17 The narration of such details is of
no direct use to the story, that too for an epitome of the epic.
Yet it shows the minute observation and care of the poet in his
descriptions.

Agastya introdues the demon Hi^imba with eloborate detail.
The very narration presents his (demon's) physical form before our
mental eye. His reddened eyes shoot out sparks of his anger, his
face is terrific with its knotted eyebrows. The demon enters licking
his lips with his stretched tongue.

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^RMUI) TORPTT (d<5-a�: MI$<H 3^t P^IN<: II (4 - 23)

This gives a vivid pen-portrait of the demon Hidimba. Agastya
excels in such artistic skills.

In an epitome the poet will not have much scope to convey his
own impressions of the characters. However a skilful writer makes
use of even the slightest opportunity to do so. This fact too has a
bearing on the style of the poet.

In the fifth canto Agastya finds an opportunity to introduce
some of the important features of the characters moulded by himself
in this Kavya. Through the words of Dhrstadyumna during the
course of introducing different suitors in the Draupadi swayamvara
episode Agastya gives expression to his own opinions. First he
introduces Duryodhana and specially praises him for his fortune
and wealth. He compares him to God Kubera. 18 Agastya writes
this with a special purpose. According to the tradition Kubera is
also known as a chief of evil beings or spirits of darkness.

    – quote ends.

    Note that Kubera the custodian of Wealth was assigned the Patala and he was defeated by Ravana who secured Lanka from him.

    Now  most ofthe 26 tunnels found in Montana being ascribed to Agastya are associate with Water or Waterfalls.

    And Sage Agastya is associted with bringing Kaveri River and he iscreported to have drunk the ocean, though the later is an allegory for Agastya travelling through the ocean.

    Article on this follows.

    Considering these similarities in the US, apart from a Quadrilateral temple of Shiva and a Natural temple of Vishnu in Grand Canyon, Colorado, further research is needed to establish Agastya connection to Montana Caves.

    Montana caves

    Citation and references.

     

    http://www.ancient-origins.net/myths-legends/exposing-secret-history-giants-and-underground-hyperborean-gallery-romania-005243  (images and on montana link)

     

    https://archive.org/stream/BalaBharataACriticalStudy/TXT/00000185.txt

    ( Agastya building tunnels)

     

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tunnels_in_Montana

    ( Montana tunnels  List).

  • Krishna Lifts Mountain Indra Vizha By Early Cholas

    Tamil Kingdoms date back before 3 BC which is normally assigned to it,

    The fact that Silappadikaram, one of the Five Great Epics has been dated at 3 BC, Karikal Chola around 195 BC buttress the claim that the Chola Dynasty should have been ruling much earlier.

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    Krishna Lifts Govardhana Giri.

    The fact that the Puranas and the Ithihasas Ramayana and Mahabharata mention about Spices, elephant tusks being imported from the South ( Vedas also mention this) , Tamil Kings Participated in the Swayamvara of Damayanthi,which was earlier to Ramayana;these Kings participated in the Swayamvaras of Sita and Draupai;Krishna married a Pandyan princess, had a daughter through her;Arjuna married a Pandyan Princess;Balarama visited the South, worshiped Devi at Kanyakumari , worshiped Murugan(Subrahmanya) and met Parashurama….

    all this point to the fact that the Tamils were very much in existence much before the date that has been assigned to them

    Added to this is the Mount Toba ash in Jwalapuram, Kurnool and a Million year old site belonging to advanced Tamil Tamil civilization being found in Chennai add strength to this view.

    Now one more piece of evidence.

    Lord Krishna saved the Yadavas from the Deluge, initiated by Indra, God of Thunder because the Yadavas, at the behest of Lord Krishna did not perform the annual Festival worshiping him.

    This, Krishna did by lifting the Govardhana Giri( mountain)

    Later Indra apologized to Krishna ,crowned Him and addressed Krishna as Govinda .

    The name Govinda is very dear to Krishna?Vishnu.

    This festival, one understands from the Tamil Epic Silappathikaram was conducted in the South by the Tamil Kings.

    I had earlier written in the Post about about Karikal Chola that this Festival called Indra Vizha, Festival of Indra was introduced by him.

    A reader pointed out this Indra Vizha was introduced earlier and I checked.

    He is right.

    Records say that this Festival Indra Vizha was introduced by an early Chola King Thodithol Chola at the behest of Sage Agastya.

    I had shown Sage Agastya’s date  to be around 5000 years earlier, based on the movement of Star Canopus, Agastya Nakshatra.

    I shall write more on the antiquity of Tamil Kings.

    The Cholas lineage is from the Puranic times and the Cholas were related to Virata Kings( Currently the area is Rajasthan).

    More to follow on this.

    ‘he Marudam region (area of the plains) Tamil agriculturists used to worship Indra as their Lord. Indra was considered as the god of the rains and since the farmers were dependent on rains for their crops, they used to worship Indra for rain, thunder and lightening.

    There were many festivals celebrated in ancient India and references of them can be found in the ancient works like Vishnudhetrmottara Purana, and the Bhagavata Purana. This practice was prevalent in Tamil Nadu also. One such festival is known as `Indra Vizha`. The Chola kings whose port-city was Kaveripum-pattinam used to take the responsibility of this festival.

    The detailed information on the celebration of `Indra Vizha` festival can be seen in the Tamil epics, the `Silappadikaram` and the `Manimekhalai`. As per the Manimekhalai, the famous sage Agastya helped the people of Kaveripumpattinam during a period of drought. He advised the Chola king Todittol Sembian to celebrate a festival for Indra to please him and then only Indra would bring rain to this city. According to the advice, the king arranged a big festival for the Lord Indra. In return, they got rain in the city and experienced the benefits of this, his successors also continued to celebrate this festival every year. This `Indra Vizha` festival generally continues for a period of twenty-eight days.

    The festival usually commenced with a group beating drums and announcing to the people the start of the celebrations. The citizens of the town then cleaned the streets and roads and redecorate the city, with each house being adorned with many decorations. The officials of the kingdom would pay their respects to the king and wish him and the kingdom well. Musical performances would be held and the fire oblations offered in many temples for Siva, Vishnu and other deities. The festival ended with people bathing in the sea with the members of the family. It was generally believed that this festival was actually a prayer to Indra, and would remove the difficulties and dangers to those who celebrate it.’

    ‘The Sangam literature also records legends about mythical Chola kings.These myths speak of the Chola king Kantaman, a supposed contemporary of the sage Agastya, whose devotion brought the river Kaveri into existence. Two names are prominent among those Chola kings known to have existed who feature in Sangam literature: Karikala Chola and Kocengannan. There are no sure means of settling the order of succession, of fixing their relations with one another and with many other princelings of around the same period.Urayur (now a part of Thiruchirapalli) was their oldest capital. Kaveripattinam also served as an early Chola capital. The Mahavamsa mentions that an ethnic Tamil adventurer, a Chola prince known as Elara, invaded the island around 235 BCE.

    Citations and references.

    http://m.indianetzone.com/artical.aspx?iwebpageid=11753

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chola_dynasty#Origins

  • Rama Atlantis War Kavatam Periplus Port Window Of Lemuria

    I have recently published an article Rama Atlantis War, where I had mentioned that Seth of Osiris lineage fought with Rama and Rama defeated him, thereby establishing the Rama Empire in Sumeria.

    Lemurian Land of Tamils Tamil Land.The arrow points at Kumari Mountain and the red dot Kapadapuram(Kavata).Image Credit jaysreesaranathan blog, Tamizhanthiravidana blog spot.

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    Atlantis and Lemuria Location.Image credit. alternative research.

    Atlantis Lemuria Location Map.

    Osiris’s son Horus entered into a treaty with Lord Rama to fight against Seth who usurped the Kingdom in Sumeria and Osiris also wanted to check the power of the Lemurians.

    Now Lemuria is called as Kumari Kandam in Tamil Literature and Tamil Literature abounds in Lemuria references.

    Please read my posts on this.

    If Horus and Rama had entered into a pact to defeat Seth and Lemurians, who were Lemurians and in what state had they had been?

    I remembered the description in Tamil of the Kumarikandam especially in the Sangam Literature and their assertion about the city of Kapadapuram, also called as Kavatam.

    ‘According to historians, Kuadam was very close to Tiruchendur. Abraham Pandithar says that Greeks in those days named it as Periplus port’ ( Wiki)

    The Tami land extended from Kapadapuram to Then Madurai.

    The distance is about 7460Kms and the western side the land stretched to Africa!( 700 Katham)

    In this area there were 49 Tamil Kingdoms, called Ezheezh Nadukal( 7*7 countries).

    ‘

    Adiyarkunallar mentions that the lost land extended from Pahruli river in the north to the Kumari river in the South. It was located to the south of Kanyakumari, and covered an area of 700 kavatam (a unit of unknown measurement). It was divided into 49 territories (natu), classified in the following seven categories:

    • Elu teñku natu (“Seven coconut lands”)
    • Elu Maturai natu (“Seven mango lands”)
    • Elu munpalai natu (“Seven front sandy lands”)
    • Elu pinpalai natu (“Seven back sandy lands”)
    • Elu kunra natu (“Seven hilly lands”)
    • Elu kunakarai natu (“Seven coastal lands”)
    • Elu kurumpanai natu (“Seven dwarf-palm lands”)(wiki)

    Many Tamil Hindu shrines have legendary accounts of surviving the floods mentioned in Hindu mythology. These include the prominent temples of Kanyakumari, Kanchipuram, Kumbakonam, Madurai, Sirkazhi and Tiruvottiyur.[8]:57–69 There are also legends of temples submerged under the sea, such as the Seven Pagodas of Mahabalipuram. The Puranas place the beginning of the most popular Hindu flood myth – the legend of Manu – in South India. The Sanskrit-language Bhagavata Purana (dated 500 BCE-1000 CE) describes its protagonist Manu (aka Satyavrata) as the Lord of Dravida (South India). TheMatsya Purana (dated 250–500 CE) also begins with Manu practicing tapas on Mount Malaya of South India.[8]:57 Manimeghalai (dated around 6th century CE) mentions that the ancient Chola port city of Kavirippumpattinam (present-day Puhar) was destroyed by a flood. It states that this flood was sent by the Hindu deity Indra, because the king forgot to celebrate a festival dedicated to him.

    There are refernces in Atlantis legends that the earth had an inner core populated with people.

    “The first is Mother Earth’s inner crust, which is a continuation of the external surface crust. The two Polar Regions each have a large entrance or hole, somewhat like a cored apple, and the crust wraps itself down and around the mantle into the hollow interior. The outer and inner crusts have very similar topography: Both comprise oceans, continents, mountain ranges, lakes, and rivers. It is merely that the inner crust faces the Earth’s core. This core glows and is surrounded by a cloudy veil. The light given off is more diffuse that the light of the Sun, so the daylight in inner Earth is softer and gentler than on the Earth’s external surface. The second main feature of inner Earth is the so-called cavern worlds. These are immense hollows within the mantle, some of which are natural features created by Mother Earth, while others were made using the advanced technology of inner Earth’s major society, the land of Aghartha. This land is the last living remnant of Earth’s second Galactic Federation colony, Lemuria.

    Lemuria, in her original form, was a surface society with a subterranean component. The primary capital city was situated on the large island that sank beneath the waves of the Pacific some 25,000 years ago. A secondary capital city was located in inner Earth. It was to this city that the government of Lemuria moved after the cataclysm. The new ruler of the surface, the Empire of Atlantis, ordered the major tunnel entrances to be sealed. It was only during the final days of Atlantis that the Lemurians broke these seals and thus saved many surface dwellers from certain death. These people formed a society that subsequently returned for a time to the surface and became the Rama Empire situated in Southern Asia. Then the Great Flood of 8,000 BC ended this attempt to save humanity from the dark ways of the Anunnaki. Despite this setback, Lemuria persisted in her role of protecting the surface world from these havoc-wreaking rapscallions. It was her galactic emissaries that maintained membership for this solar system in the Galactic Federation.

    After the Great Flood and the demise of the Rama Empire, the Lemurians regrouped and named their newly combined society Aghartha. The capital Shamballah was relocated to a cavern located far beneath the city of Lhasa in modern Tibet. Many tunnels connect Shamballah to the surface in the Himalayas. These were used by holy men who came to spread their great energy and divine wisdom to the outside world. In this area, an extraordinary place was kept for special occasions, where holy men and their chosen disciples met in order to maintain Mother Earth’s sacred energy grids. This work, together with numerous rituals performed daily throughout inner Earth, is largely responsible for keeping alive the divine energy that is Lemuria’s main legacy to the surface peoples of Mother Earth. Lemuria, and later on Aghartha, have continuously held the Light for your transformation back into fully conscious Beings of Light.”( Source. http://www.paoweb.com/sn020706.htm)

    The term Kapatam means Window.

    Probably the reference in the Atlantis legend means Kapadapuram when they say Lemurians emerge from the sea.

    The Kapadapuram was established by  a Tamil Pandya King .

    ‘With this loss of the large territories of the Pandiya country and the demise the Paandiya king Kadungkon, the next successor to Paandiyan throne was the king Paandiyan Nediyoan. This king escaped the great disaster and moved more towards the north and captured many new regions including parts of Chera and Chola countries and made them into a new Pandiyan country.

    He distributed the captured lands to his subjects who met the loss of their own lands but possibly escaped this great tragedy, made him get the title “Nilam Tharu Thiruvit Pandiyan” (which means: “the Pandiyan who made the kind gesture of lands”) and as “Nilam Tharu Thiruvit Nediyoan”.

    The Paandiyan king Nediyon built his new capital city at Kapaadapuram (Kavaadam) closer to the sea. The Paandiyan king with a view of preventing further sea disasters had a festival in celeberation for the Sea God, and hence he was known as “Munneer Vilavu Nediyon” (Munner Vilavu = Sea (God) celeberation) and also as “Vadivalamba nintra Paandiyan”.

    He also excavated a new artificial river named “Pahruli Aaru” flowing through the city of Kapaadapuram towards the sea of the Indian Ocean possibly to make the region fertile and self sufficient in water.

    He also re-organised the Second Thamil Sangam at Kapaadapuram and as an initial measure requested the renowned Tamil Poet of the period the Tholkaappianaar to compose a new Tamil Grammer, as the original Tamil Grammer composed during the period of first Thamil Sangam by the great Poet Agaththiyar known as Ahaththiyam, apparently was lost in the great Land Slide in which the first capital city ‘Then Mathurai’ (South Mathurai) also known as “Naan maadak Koodal” went under sea.

    (Source.  http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?9994-A-brief-study-on-the-Pandiyas-(Paandiyar)-of-the-quot-Second-Sangam-quot-Period-of-Tamil-Nadu)

    “. The new ruler of the surface, the Empire of Atlantis, ordered the major tunnel entrances to be sealed. It was only during the final days of Atlantis that the Lemurians broke these seals and thus saved many surface dwellers from certain death. These people formed a society that subsequently returned for a time to the surface and became the Rama Empire situated in Southern Asia. Then the Great Flood of 8,000 BC ended this attempt to save humanity from the dark ways of the Anunnaki.”

    The Atlantis people’ sealing the Lemurians’ probably means the Mascarene plateau.

    Lemuria existed south of this plateau, which was consumed by the sea about 6000 years ago.

    The surfacing of Rama dynasty may indicate the fact that Satyavrata Manu ancestor of Rama had migrated to Ayodhya(whose son Ikshvaku founded the Ikshvaku Dynasty) and the subsequent emergence of Lord Rama and His Kingdom.

    One may note that the Ramayana and the Puranas call the Tamil areas as Dravida, meaning South, Dasyu, meaning who do not follow all the percepts of Sanatana Dharma( though they were practicing Sanatana Dharma they were not Fire (Agni) worshipers),and Viswamitra banished his sons to the south directing them to go to the Dasyu Land.

    Normally this area has been taken as stretching from the Vindhyas, but due to the emergence of the Fact about Mascarene Plataeu , the reference may be to Manscarene plateau

    To sum up,

    The Lemurians (Tamils) were in existence during the Ramayana Period,

    Their land was extended to Then Madurai from Kapadapuram.

    They were a part of the Rama Empire,

    the Tamil Timeline is,

    1. Mathivanan, then Chief Editor of the Tamil Etymological Dictionary Project of the Government of Tamilnadu, in 1991 … the following timeline …:ca. 200,000 to 50,000 BC: evolution of “the Tamilian or Homo Dravida”,
      ca. 200,000 to 100,000 BC: beginnings of the Tamil language
      50,000 BC: Kumari Kandam civilisation
      20,000 BC: A lost Tamil culture of the Easter Island which had an advanced civilisation
      16,000 BC: Lemuria submerged
      6087 BC: Second Tamil Sangam established by a Pandya king
      3031 BC: A Chera prince in his wanderings in the Solomon Island saw wild sugarcane and started cultivation in Tamilnadu.
      1780 BC: The Third Tamil Sangam established by a Pandya king
      7th century BC: Tolkappiyam (the earliest extant Tamil grammer)…

    The continent was destroyed by three large floods which wiped out most of the golden civilization with it:

    Source. http://thelostcontinent-kumarikandam.blogspot.in/

    • Inputs welcome.

    Ref.

    http://thamizhan-thiravidana.blogspot.in/2011/03/46-2.html

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