Tag: Vedic Sanskrit

  • Sanskrit And Tamil Had 51 Letters?Siddha Thirumoolar Thirumandhiram

    Tamil, one of the ancient languages has a hoary past. It is ri8ch in Grammar and literature. It is a language that has survived over 10,000 years and is still a very popular language of the world..It is intricately conneted with Sanskrit which is yet another language that is as old as Tamil.These two languages share acommon parent.

    Siva.

    Sanskrit and Tamil had sprung from the Damaru of Siva and they sprang simultaneouly.Sivc and His foremost Disciple Sage Agastya founded the Language and it was promoted by none other Murugan,aka Subrahmanya.

    Tamil phonetics is different from Sanskrit and is very intwersting.I shall write on this later.

    Tamil, as of now, has 247 Letters, depending on the definition you give for Alphabets , whether is the writing symbols or phonomimes or both.

    In linguistics, the word alphabet is ambiguous, 1. In the sense of a set of orthographic symbols or characters; 2. A set of contrastive sounds of a language called an inventory of phonemes.

    https://www.quora.com/How-many-letters-are-used-in-Sanskrit

    That Tamizh had 31 letters was noted by Thiruvilayaadal Puranam,Siddhas Azhuguni,Agappey,Konganar,Siva vaakiyar,Pattinathaar and Arunagirinaathar.

    இணையார் திருவடி எட்டெழுத்தாகும்

    இணையார் கழலிணை யீரைந்தாகும்

    இணையார் கழலிணை ஐம்பதொன்றாகும் இணையார் கழலிணை ஏழாயிரமே” (878)

    அடைவினில் ஐம்பதும் ஐஐந்து அறையின் அடையும் அறையொன்றுக்கு ஈரெழுத்து ஆக்கி அடையும் மகாரத்தில் அந்தமாம் க்ஷவ்வும் அடைவின் எழுத்துஐம் பத்தொன்றும் அமர்ந்ததே 924 Thirumandhiram

    ‘ஆகின்ற சக்கரத் துள்ளே எழுத்துஐந்தும் பாகொன்றி நின்ற பதங்களில் வார்த்திக்கும் ஆகின்ற ஐம்பத்து ஓரெழுத்து உள்நிற்கப் யாகொன்றி நிற்கும் பராபரன் தானே 945

    சித்தர் திருமூலர் தன் திருமந்திரத்தில் ஆரியம் என்ற சம்ஸ்க்ருதம்,தமிழ் இரண்டு மொழிகளையும் சிவ பெருமான் உமைக்கு போதித்தார் என்று பின் வரும் பாட்டில் சொல்லி உள்ளார்.

    –திருமூலர் மேலும் சித்தர் திருமூலர்

    பண்டிதர் ஆவார் பதினெட்டு பாடையும்
    கண்டவர் கூறும் கருத்தறிவார் என்க
    பண்டிதர் தங்கள் பதினெட்டு பாடையும்
    அண்ட முதலான் அறம் சொன்னவாறே-திருமூலர்

    இந்தியாவின் பண்டைய பதினெட்டு மொழிகளும் சிவபெருமான் சொல்லிய அறம் விதிகளுக்கு உட்பட்டு உள்ளது என்று சித்தர் திருமூலர் சொல்லி உள்ளார்.

    ஆதி தமிழ் எழுத்து உயிர் எழுத்து 15 + மெய் எழுத்து 35 + 1 ஓம் பிரணவம்=51 எழுத்து வடிவம் கொண்டு இருந்தது என்று சித்தர் திருமூலர் சொல்லி உள்ளார்.இந்த ஆதி எழுத்துகள் பற்றி பல இடங்களில் சித்தர் திருமூலர் மீண்டும் மீண்டும் திருமந்திரத்தில் சொல்லி உள்ளார். இந்த ஆதி எழுத்துகளில் இருந்து தான் வேதங்கள் ஆகமங்கள் எல்லாம் தென்னிந்தியாவில் தோன்றின என்று சொல்லி அதனால் தென்னிந்தியா உலகில் சுத்தமான இடம் என்றும் சித்தர் திருமூலர் சொல்லி உள்ளார்.
    ஓதும் எழுத்தோடு உயிர்க் கலை மூவைந்தும்
    ஆதி எழுத்தவை ஐம்பதோடு ஒன்று என்பர்
    சோதி எழுத்தினில் ஐயிரு மூன்று உள
    நாத எழுத்திட்டு நாடிக் கொள்ளீரே- திருமூலர்

    ஐம்பது எழுத்தே அனைத்து வேதங்களும்
    ஐம்பது எழுத்தே அனைத்து ஆகமங்களும்
    ஐம்பது எழுத்தேயும் ஆவது அறிந்த பின்
    ஐம்பது எழுத்தும் போய் அஞ்செழுத்தாமே-திருமூலர்
    ஈறான கன்னி குமரியே காவிரி
    வேறாம் நவ தீர்த்தம் மிக்குள்ள வெற்பு ஏழுள்
    பேறான வேத ஆகமமே பிறத்தலால்
    மாறாத தென் திசை வையகம் சுத்தமே-திருமூலர்

    இந்த தமிழ் ஆதி எழுத்துகள் பற்றிய குறிப்புகள் ஐம்பத்தோறு அட்சரங்கள் என்று அழுகணி சித்தர்,அகப்பேய் சித்தர்,கொங்கண சித்தர்,போகர்,சிவவாக்கியர்,பட்டினத்து சித்தர் போன்ற எல்லா சித்தர் பாட்டுகளில் உள்ளன. அருணகிரி நாதர் திருப்புகழில் தமிழில் ஐம்பத்தோறு அட்சரங்கள் என்று சொல்லப்பட்டு உள்ளது.பரஞ்சோதி முனிவர் எழுதிய திருவிளையாடல் புராணம் தமிழ் எழுத்துகள் 51 என சொல்லி உள்ளது…

    That Tamizh had 31 letters was noted by Thiruvilayaadal Puranam,Siddhas Azhuguni,Agappey,Konganar,Siva vaakiyar,Pattinathaar and Arunagirinaathar.

    சம்ஸ்க்ருத சொல்களின் வேர்கள் எல்லாம் தென் இந்திய மொழிகளில் குறிப்பாக தமிழ் மற்றும் மலையாளத்தில் உள்ளன.நல்ல தமிழ் அறிவு உள்ளவர்களுகு சம்ஸ்க்ருதம் என்பது சிதைந்த, உருத்திரிந்த பழங்கால தமிழ் என்று அதாவது தென் இந்திய மொழி போல குறிப்பாக தமிழ் மற்றும் மலையாளம் போல உள்ளது என்று விளங்கும். அதாவது தற்போது உள்ள 31 எழுத்து கொண்டு உள்ள செந்தமிழ் என்ற தமிழுக்கு முன்பு இருந்த கருந்தமிழ் என்ற 51 எழுத்து கொண்டு இருந்த ஆதித்தமிழ்.
    தொல்காப்பியரும் தொல்காப்பியம் எழுத்து அதிகாரம் பிறப்பியல் கடைசி இரண்டு சூத்திரங்களில் தான் சொல்லிய இலக்கண விதிகள் வெளிப்படையாக பொருள் உணர்த்தும் சொல்களின் எழுத்துகளுக்கு மட்டுமே என்றும் வேதங்களில் உள்ள மந்திர எழுத்துகளுக்கு தான் இலக்கண விதி சொல்லவில்லை என்று சொல்லி உள்ளார்.இதில் இருந்து தமிழில் 31 எழுத்துகள் தவிர மற்ற பல எழுத்துகள் உண்டு என்று தெளிவாகிறது
    .( Tholkaapiyar in his Book on Tamil Grammar states that he had set grammar rules only for those words that express meaning explicitly and that he had not included those letters in Vedas that have hidden meanings and by implication he had not set forth rules for such letters in Tamizh. This means that there were more than 31 letters in Tamizh.)

    தமிழ் சம்ஸ்க்ருதம் உட்பட இந்திய மொழிகளில் 12 மொழிகளுக்கு மேல் அதிகம் அறிந்த மகாகவி பாரதியும் தான் பகவத் கீதைக்கு எழுதிய உரையின் முன்னுரையில் சம்ஸ்க்ருத வேதங்களின் மொழி நடை மதுரை சங்கத்துக்கு முந்தைய தமிழ் போல உள்ளது என்றும், உபநிடதங்கள் மொழி நடை மதுரை சங்கத்துக்கு பிந்தைய தமிழ் போல உள்ளது என்றும் சொல்லி உள்ளார். நன்னூல் தமிழ் இலக்கணம் எழுதி உள்ள பவணந்தி முனிவர் தன் நூல் தொடக்கத்தில் கடவுள் வாழ்த்திலே உலகின் இருள் மறைய சூரியன் தன் ஒளிக்கதிர்களை பரப்புதல் போல் மனிதர்களின் மன இருள் மறைய இறைவன் அறம் பொருள் இன்பம் வீடு என்பதை மூவாறு (3×6=18) மொழிகளில் கொடுத்தான்… அவைகளில் தான் தமிழ் மொழிக்கு இலக்கணம் எழுதுகிறேன் என்று சொல்லி உள்ளார்.தமிழ் இலக்கணங்களுக்கு உரை ஆசிரியர்கள் பதினெண்(18) மொழி பூமி என்று இந்தியாவை குறிப்பிட்டு உள்ளனர்……..
    தமிழ் மற்றும் சம்ஸ்க்ருதம் இரண்டு மொழிகளையும் நன்கு அறிந்த பெரும் சித்தராக இருந்த வள்ளல் பெருமான் இராமலிங்க அடிகள் தமிழ் தொல்காப்பிய இலக்கணம், சம்ம்ஸ்க்ருத பாணிணிய இலக்கணம் இவைகளில் நிறைய தவறுகள் உள்ளன என சொல்லி உள்ளார்.

    சம்ஸ்க்ருதம் என்ற சொல்லுக்கு நன்கு செய்யப்பட்டது என பொருள் சொல்லப்படுகிறது. இது சம்+க்ருதம் என பிரிக்கப்படுகிறது. சம் என்பது நல்ல எனவும் க்ருதம் எனபது செய்யப்பட்டது எனவும் சொல்லப்படுகிறது.

    இது செம்மை+கரிதம்=செம்கரிதம் அல்லது சன்+கரிதம்=சன்கரிதம் அல்லது சல்கரிதம் அல்லது சற்கரிதம் என்ற தமிழ் சொல்லின் உருத்திரிபு மற்றும் சிதைவு.

    தமிழில் கரி என்பது செய் என்ற வினைச் சொல்லைக் குறிக்கும்.

    “linguistics, the word alphabet is ambiguous, 1. In the sense of a set of orthographic symbols or characters; 2. A set of contrastive sounds of a language called an inventory of phonemes.

    Reference and citations.https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3675863102424784&id=100000033913235

    The question is not clear. If you mean the number of letters or characters in the Sanskrit alphabet, in the Devanagari lipi now in use there are 13 vowels (counting hrasva and deergha separately) + the anuswara, visarga and then there are 18 consonants. There is a pluta form of vowel for all vowels – as far as I have seen it is not provided for in the script. People write the hrasva followed by number 3. See the example in Laghu siddhanta kaumudi – कृष्ण३ अत्र गोश्चरति. It is upto you to define if अ३ is a separate vowel, separate from अ and आ.
    There are 33 consonants.
    According to Panini – अ इ उ ऋ ऌ ए ऐ ओ औ are the vowels; in general, अ and आ are not different; due to udaatta, anudatta, samahara, the three lengths and anunasika anannunaasika difference अ इ उ ऋ have 18 varieties and others 12 each due to hrasva or dirgha abhaavat. The script in use provides for hrasva and dirgha and Vedic Sanskrit uses diacritical marks for udatta etc.
    In Tamil (among all Indian languages, in Tamil only) क का कि की कु कू etc are counted as separate letters of the alphabet and say there are 247 letters. If you use that formula for Sanskrit, the result is different.

    Sanskrit has a number of compound consonants. It joins two, three, four or even five consonants. [see the word कार्त्स्न्य]. In many cases, the resultant joint letter contains the components like: गङ्गा, पञ्च etc. But the addition of ra, before or after a consonant does not retain the shape of the रेफ eg अर्क वक्र. Should these two symbols be treated as separate letters based on script or they are not to be counted based only on sound? Some compound consonants have separate ligatures not representing the components and even in uccaaran they slightly differ: क्ष त्र ज्ञ are the main examples for this. Some treat these three as three letters in addition to the 33 consonants. When Adi Sankara says; आदिक्षान्त समस्त वर्णनकरी in Annapoornashtakam, he has included क्ष as a separate letter, but not त्र or ज्ञ
    The script provides for an avagraha – to indicate the presence of ऽ अ or ऽऽ आ in some positions. That avagraha is not indicated in speech. महान्यायवादि and महाऽन्यायवादि, as far as I know, are pronounced alike. So are the latter parts of श्रद्धयादेयम् अश्रद्धयाऽदेयम्.
    Now from the above, it is for you to decide what you want; is it the sound – Vedic, or laukik – or the script and should compound consonants be included etc and then calculate the number accordingly.’

    Source. https://www.quora.com/How-many-letters-are-used-in-Sanskrit

    Sanskrit alphabets in grammar contain 13 vowels (achah or swaraah) and 33 consonants (halah or Vyanjanaani) making it 46. Besides the above 46 letters there are two more sounds known as Anuswara (period or dot on the letter) and Visarga (:). That brings the total to 48. Hindu scriptures talk of 50 or 51 letters in Sanskrit. Some like Arsha Vidya Gurukul mention even 54 letters.
    48 letters consist of 13 vowels+25 consonants+4 semi vowels (ya, ra, la, va) called Antahstaah + 3 sibilants (s.a as in sankh, sha, sa) called Ushmaanah + 1 Aspirate (ha). Scriptures added to them cerebral hard ‘la’ which you find in the Tamil word aval and conjunct consonant Ksha. Making it 50. Some scriptures also add the sound of the semi-circular dot (ardhachandra bindu) or half-moon-dot (hereafter referred to as hmb) nasal sound which you usually find on the sacred symbol letter Om. 54 letters consists of adding two more conjunct consonants trajnya and a lengthened vowel of lr.

    http://nrsrini.blogspot.com/2014/09/sanskrit-language-is-divine-is-tamil-too.html

  • Sanskrit Latin Tamil Which is Older

    Sanskrit and Latin are considered to be the ancient languages of the world.

    Sanskrit,

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    Sanskrtit Language. “The word संस्कृतम् (Sanskrit) in Sanskrit” by OldakQuill – Own work. Licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0 via Wikimedia Commons – http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_word_%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%83%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%8D_(Sanskrit)_in_Sanskrit.svg#mediaviewer/File:The_word_%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%83%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%8D_(Sanskrit)_in_Sanskrit.svg

    is considered to be the liturgical language of India,the language of Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism,and the mother of  Proto-Indo-Iranian and Proto-Indo-European lanuage group.

    With Thirty Million  Manuscripts existing even today,Sanskrit is the oldest Language of the world and the Rig Veda which is in Sanskrit is the oldest literature of the world.

    There is a view that the Hitti Language is older than Sanskrit.

    Not so.

    I shall be posting on this  an article(‘ https://ramanisblog.in/2015/02/04/thirty-million-manuscripts-700-poetic-meters-amazing-sanskrit/)

     

    The Sanskrit language, whatever be its antiquity, is of a wonderful structure; more perfect than the Greek, more copious than the Latin, and more exquisitely refined than either, yet bearing to both of them a stronger affinity, both in the roots of verbs and in the forms of grammar, than could possibly have been produced by accident; so strong indeed, that no philologer could examine them all three without believing them to have sprung from some common source, which, perhaps, no longer exists.’ william Jones.

    Number Sanskrit Latin Greek
    1 éka unus mono-
    2 dvá duo di-
    3 trí tres tri-
    4 catúr quattuor tetra-
    5 páñca quinque
    6 sás sex hexa-
    7 saptá septem hepta-
    8 astá octo octa-
    9 náva novem ennea-
    10 dása decem deca-

     

     

    Western scholars date it to 2nd millennium BCE (for Rig-vedic)

    ( there are primary classifications,Vedic and Post Vedic.

    Latin.

    Inscription for 5th century Roman Consul Decius Marius Venantius Basilius in the Colosseum in Rome. CIL VI 1716 c, VI 32094 c    .Image.jpg
    Inscription for 5th century Roman Consul Decius Marius Venantius Basilius in the Colosseum in Rome. CIL VI 1716 c, VI 32094 c “Rome Colosseum inscription 2” by Wknight94 – Own work. Licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0 via Wikimedia Commons – http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rome_Colosseum_inscription_2.jpg#mediaviewer/File:Rome_Colosseum_inscription_2.jpg

    Old Latin, also known as Early Latin and Archaic Latin, refers to the Latin language in the period before 75 BC, i.e. before the age of Classical Latin.[2] In New and Contemporary Latin, it is called prisca Latinitas (“ancient Latin”) rather than vetus Latina (“old Latin”) as the latter is used to refer to a set of Biblical texts.(wiki)

    But Sanskrit was used during the period of Ramayana and the language was in use much earlier as the Vedas were learnt during Ramayana.

    Hence it should predate Ramayana at least by 2000 yeas to attain the level of  maturity.

    And the Rig veda is dated to 5000 BC and it recorded as the oldest literature of Humans.

    Now Rama date is 5114 BC.

    Luv and Kush grew in his ashram as his disciples. We need to be proud of the fact that Valmiki was perhaps the first great astronomer and that his study of planetary configurations has stood the test of times. Even the latest computer softwares have corroborated his astronomical calculations, which proves that he did not commit any error.

     

    Shabri is stated to be belonging to the Bhil tribe. Shri Rams’ army, which succeeded in defeating Ravana, was formed by various tribes from Central and South India.

     

    Taking into account these details the Birth date of Lord Rama  is January 10 in the year 5114 BC.

    (Ramayana Lord Rama’s Exile Date  and other details .

    (https://ramanisblog.in/2012/04/05/ramayana-lord-ramas-exile-date-and-other-details/)

    Hence Sanskrit dates to at least 7000 BC.

    Therefore Sanskrit is older than Latin.

    Wait, there is some more information.

    Tamil.

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    The word “Tamil” in Tamil language. “Word Tamil” by AntanO – Own work. Licensed under CC BY-SA 4.0 via Wikimedia Commons – http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Word_Tamil.svg#mediaviewer/File:Word_Tamil.svg

    Tamil /ˈtæmɪl/[10] (தமிழ், tamiḻ[t̪ɐmɨɻ] ?) also spelt Tamizh is a Dravidian language spoken predominantly by Tamil people ofTamil Nadu and Sri Lanka. It has official status in the Indian states of Tamil Nadu,[11] Puducherry and Andaman and Nicobar Islands. Tamil is also an official and national language of Sri Lanka[12] and one of the official languages of Singapore.[13] It is legalised as one of the languages of medium of education in Malaysia along with English, Malay and Mandarin.[14][15] It is also chiefly spoken in the states of Kerala, Puducherry and Andaman and Nicobar Islands as a secondary language and by minorities in Karnataka & Andhra Pradesh. It is one of the 22 scheduled languages of India and was the first Indian language to be declared a classical language by the Government of India in 2004. Tamil is also spoken by significant minorities inMalaysia, England, Mauritius, Canada,[16] South Africa,[17] Fiji,[18] Germany,[19] Philippines, United States, Netherlands,Indonesia,[20] Réunion and France as well as emigrant communities around the world.

    Tamil is one of the longest surviving classical languages in the world.[21][22] 2,200-year-old Tamil-Brahmi inscriptions have been found on Samanamalai It has been described as “the only language of contemporary India which is recognizably continuous with a classical past.

    The fact that Tamil Kings were mentioned in the Ramayana and Mahabharata would enable one to date tamil around, again 7000 BC, at a conservative estimate.

    The archaeological finds from Attirappakkam northeast of Chennai evidences the existence of Tamils about a million years ago!

    “The prehistoric period during which Lower Paleolithic settlements existed in the Tamil Nadu region has been estimated to span the period from about 1,510,000 BCE[1] until around 3000 BCE.[2] For most part of the lower Paleolithic stage, humans lived close to river valleys with sparse forest cover or in grassland environments. The population density was very low and so far only two localities of this lower Palaeolithic culture have been found insouth India. One of these is in Attirampakkam valley in the northwest of Chennai in Tamil Nadu.[3] Archaeological research has uncovered evidence of fossil remains of animals and primitive stone implements around the northern Tamil Nadu that could be dated to belong to around 3000,000 BCE.[citation needed]Humans inSouth India, belonging to the species of Homo erectus, lived in this primitive ‘old stone age’ (Palaeolithic) for quite a long time, using only crude implements such as hand axes and choppers and subsisting as hunter-gatherers“(wiki)

    The Tamil History based on this, Tamil Literature,Sanskrit Literature and Arikkamedu findings,Puducherry is between   15,000 BCE to 10,000 BCE.

    Such an old civilization quotes Sanskrit and Vedic Literature .

    But we are dating the Vedas around 5000 BC.

    If the Sangam period , Muthal Sangam, at 500 BC is true, how is it that the Purana, which are earlier by at least by 4000 years, quote Tamils, Tamil Kings?

    https://ramanisblog.in/2013/12/27/million-year-old-tamil-quotes-vedas-they-quote-tamil/)

    People who call themselves scholars conveniently overlook these facts in assigning dates to Tamil and Sanskrit.

    It would be fair to state, based on the available evidence that,

    Sanskrit and Tamil date earlier to Latin and

    as to the question “Which one is earlier, Tamil or Sanskrit?’,

    I am unable to establish on the basis of available evidence as each language quotes the other.

    One might state that , as of now, that Sanskrit and Tamil are the oldest languages of Humans .

    References.

    http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/sanskrit.htm

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Latin

     

    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/286368/Indo-European-languages/74551/Sanskrit-studies-and-their-impact

     

     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_language

  • World Language Tree Sanskrit At The Top

    I am providing the world Langauge Tree below.

    Note that Sanskrit heads the list on the Right.

    It may be noted that the other language groups headed by Anatolian ,followed by Hitti and others do have Tamil and Sanskrit Roots.

    I shall be posting on this in detail.

    My researches show that Tamil and Sanskrit head the world language groups at the top.

    In other words world languages have their origins in Tamil, Sanskrit and a combination of both.

    I have posted that Tamil influenced Hitti language.

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    Sanskrit.

    ‘The Sanskrit language, whatever be its antiquity, is of a wonderful structure; more perfect than the Greek, more copious than the Latin, and more exquisitely refined than either, yet bearing to both of them a stronger affinity, both in the roots of verbs and the forms of grammar, than could possibly have been produced by accident; so strong indeed, that no philologer could examine them all three, without believing them to have sprung from some common source, which, perhaps, no longer exists; there is a similar reason, though not quite so forcible, for supposing that both the Gothic and the Celtic, though blended with a very different idiom, had the same origin with the Sanskrit; and the old Persian might be added to the same family, if this were the place for discussing any question concerning the antiquity of Persia. (Fortson, p. 9)

    Sanskrit (/ˈsænskrɪt/; संस्कृतम् saṃskṛtam [səmskr̩t̪əm], originally संस्कृता वाक् saṃskṛtā vāk, “refined speech”) is the primary liturgical language of Hinduism, a philosophical language in Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism, and a literary language that was in use as alingua franca in the Indian cultural zone. It is a standardised dialect of Old Indo-Aryan language, originating as Vedic Sanskrit and tracing its linguistic ancestry back to Proto-Indo-Iranian and Proto-Indo-European.

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    Languages of the World, relations.

    Click on the image to enlarge.

    Branches are in order of first attestation; those to the left are Centum, those to the right are Satem.

    Languages in red are extinct.

    White labels indicate categories / un-attested proto-languages.

    * I have deliberately left informing that Tamil ahs not been mentioned in this tree, hoping that some one will point it.

    Within ten minutes, a FacebBook reader has noticed it.

    Am happy that my posts ae being read carefully.

    I shall be posting on the antiquiy of Tamil and its status,on par with Sanskrit.

    And on Telugu and Kannada which are also ancient, with more affinity to Sanskrit.

    Citation.

    http://www.ancient.eu/Indo-European_Languages/

  • Break In Eternity Vedas Dates Rishis Mantras

    The Vedas, the Sacred Books of the Hindus, transmitted orally are considered to be Apaurusheya, not Man mad, grasped from Ether by the Seers  intuitively.

     

    The are to be ‘Heard’, Sruthi, not learnt from written Books.

     

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    Rigveda (padapatha) manuscript in Devanagari, early 19th century.

     

    However, the written form of the Vedas are in the form of Manuscripts.

     

    “Due to the ephemeral nature of the manuscript material (birch bark or palm leaves), manuscripts rarely surpass an age of a few hundred years.

     

    The Benares Sanskrit University has a Rigveda manuscript of the mid-14th century and there are a number of older Veda manuscripts in Nepal belonging to the Vajasaneyi tradition that are dated from the 11th century onwards.”

     

    The core text of the Yajurveda falls within the classical Mantra period of Vedic Sanskrit at the end of the 2nd millennium BCE – younger than the Rigveda, and roughly contemporary with the Atharvaveda, the Rigvedic Khilani, and the Sāmaveda.

    The scholarly consensus dates the bulk of the Yajurveda and Atharvaveda hymns to the early Indian Iron Age, c. 1200 or 1000 BC, corresponding to the early Kuru Kingdom.

     

    There is a dispute about the exact date of the Manuscripts.

     

    What is to be borne in mind is that the spoken word being older than the written word, and considering the richness of the Language used the Vedas must date quite a few thousand years than the date of the Manuscripts.

     

    But be it as it may.

     

    What I am interested is not about the date of the Vedas but the dates of Vedas when seen in conjunction with the Ithihasas, Ramayana and Puranas.

     

    They themselves admit that the follow the Vedas and as such mus be post-Veda.

     

    Fine, no issues,

     

    But when the Vedas contain references to the Puranas, Ihihsas or their Characters found therein?

     

    Vedas contain,

     

    1. Rama-rahasyopanishad.
    2. Rama-tapany-upanishad.
    3. Vasudevopanishad.
    4. Gopala-tapany-upanishad.
    5. Krishnopanishad.
    6. Nrisimha-tapaniyopanishad.
    7. Yajnavalkyopanishad.
    8. Varahopanishad

     

     

    Of these,are characters   from The Ramayana(1,2 ) ,: 3, 4 , 5  from Mahabharata and Bhagavatham while 6 ,7, and 8 from Puranas ..

     

    Yagnavalkya is reported to have vomited the Vedas , Taittriyas.

     

    If one looks at these the question that comes to mind is,

     

    If the Purana, Ithihasas are later than the Vedas, how come they are mentioned in the Vedas?

     

    It is also stated that Viswamitra gave the world the Gayatri Mantra, to whom it was revealed.

     

    The Rig Vedic version has one syllable short and Taittriya Aranyaka has the full detailed version.

     

    Does this mean that before it was revealed to Viswamitra no body chanted it?

     

    Yet there are references of the Rishis chanting the Gayatri before the advent of Viswamitra.

     

    How and why?

     

    Therefore my options are.

    1. That the Vedas are not eternal I do not subscribe to this view.

    2.The References to Puranas are Interpolations.- Possible.

    3.That as Sound precedes being grasped, Sounds  that exists eternally, are picked up at different times by the different Seers and are recorded.

     

    Eminently possible.

     

    Understanding Infinity and Zero are equally beyond me.

     

    In this sense eternity seems to have a break in that while Sound is Eternal, grasping it not.

     

    Inputs welcome.

     

    Citation.

    http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Hinduism/The_Vedas

  • Stars Radiate OM Visual Sri Yantra

     

    Stars Sirius A and Sirius B radiate OM.

     

    OM Radiates Energy. Image .jpg.
    OM Radiates Energy Image Credit. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/

    The Science of Cymatics  has proved that the Visual Form of  AUM is Sri Yantra.

     

    (Cymatics (from Greekκῦμα “wave”) is the study of visible sound and vibration, a subset of modal phenomena. Typically the surface of a plate, diaphragm, or membrane is vibrated, and regions of maximum and minimum displacement are made visible in a thin coating of particles, paste, or liquid.[1] Different patterns emerge in the excitatory medium depending on the geometry of the plate and the driving frequency.wiki)”

     

    2. AUM  or OM is the fractal sound pattern of Big Bang.

     

    The spinning mass of Sirius B (love spun him out) generated the first sound as it moved into its elliptical orbit at the center of the Primal Star. Without movement there is no sound. Love was God’s motivation.

    This first sound in the creation was/is the first sound of AUM, the A, and is said like the a in America, (uh), in the tone F. This first movement and its sound continue to exist as Sirius B and its elliptical orbit.

    The counter-point, counter spin, and counter-flow, of Sirius B’s first spinning orbital movement now exists as Sirius A and its elliptical orbit, and generates the second sound in AUM, the U, said like the u in tune, in the tone F#.

    The third sound in AUM, the nasalated M, is generated by the double helical spiral vortex that extended from the center of the Primal Star to the top and bottom. This double helix flow form was generated by and tuned to the movements of Sirius A and B at the center of the Primal Star.

    This double helix form provided the unlimited fractal encodement capability required for the creation of the infinite detail of the cosmos, including planetary biospheres and the DNA-based creatures that occupy them.

    The spinning form of this primal double helix extending from the top to the bottom of the Primal Star caused countless smaller vortices to expand throughout the plasma of the Primal Star that would become the galaxies, stars, and planetary systems of the universe.

    When the internal vortex motion and the resulting sound generated by AUM and the F, F#, G, tritone reached full resonance, the Primal Star, suddenly expanded into the infinite detail of the created universe, in the event known as the Big Bang.”

    3.

    Hans Jenny’s work in the science of Cymatics (the study of the interrelationship of sound and form) has shown that when AUM is spoken, the pattern of circles and triangles of the Sri Yantra appears in sand on a resonator plat, or in an electron vibration field sensor called a Tonoscope. (See below left).

    Jenny also discovered that when the sounds of the Vedic Sanskrit alphabet are spoken, the written form of the letter appears. The sound of the letter is the vibratory form of the letter.

     

    Sri Yantra produced by Sound Waves. image.jpg
    Sri Yantra produced by Sound Waves.

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    Fifty Letters of Sanskrit Distributed in Sri Yantra

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    3.The Rig Veda confirms that AUM is the source of the fifty sounds of the Vedic Sanskrit language.

    Since we know that AUM comes from the Sirius System, and it has been scientifically proven that the Sri Yantra is the visual form of AUM, it is logical that the Sri Yantra would separate and contain the fifty sounds of Vedic Sanskrit.

    How does this happen?

    The orbital periods of Sirius A and B around each other and their common center of mass takes exactly fifty years.

    The fifty sounds of the Vedic Sanskrit alphabet are created by the division of their fifty year combined orbits into fifty segments of sound that are separated by the annual eclipses of the Sirius system by our Sun. Fifty years, fifty eclipses, fifty segments, fifty sounds.

    Citation and for more details check.

    http://aumstar.com/the-big-bang-how-aum-created-the-cosmos/

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