Tag: Veda

  • Are The Vedas Obscene

    I have come across an article which claims to have analyzed the Vedas in-depth, with quotes and translations from eminent persons like Swami Dayananda Sarasvati,concluding  that the Vedas are Obscene.

     

     

    I have published an article on whether Rama’s Mother Kausalya indulged in Horse sex and orgy.

     

    Although all three of King Dasaratha’s wives were united with the carcass of the horse, Rama’s mom Kausalya was the one who had the honor of spending a whole night with the dead animal’s genitals plugged in her vagina: “

     

    Another on the observation that the Vedas contain and promote Incest.

     

    ‘Swami Dayanand Saraswati, in his book Rigvedadi Bhashya Bhumika on the authority of Rigved 1/164/33, uses immoral language to convey the working of the natural phenomenon. You can yourself assess the cheap nature of this allegory, which promotes and glorifies incest”

     

    Links are provided towards the close of the Post and you may read my rebuttals.

     

    Now to the conclusion that the Vedas are obscene.

     

    1.One should study the Vedas in its entirety.

     

    The Vedas are not Books that are compiled to promote a particular group nor are they founded by some one who visits Heaven in a Horse, reads the Laws of God written in a Stone(as if God can not remember His own Laws) and reveals(?) after  some time (possibly for recollection).

     

    The Vedas are grasped from the Ether by various people of various dispositions and were transmitted through word of mouth.

     

    Unlike some Religions, Hinduism, does not believe in numbers nor does it proclaim that  those who do not  subscribe to it are Infidels,Heathen, nor does it consign them to Hell.

    Information as experienced, as distinct from  being learned, were compiled later by Vyasa for People to refer and follow, if they so desire.

     

    2.The Vedas need 36 years of study or at least seven years to understand.

     

    3.The core teaching has to be grasped, that of,

     

    Reality being a Principle,

     

    That It has No name and Form,

     

    That the Deavatas and the Timurthis, Brahma, Vishnu ans Rudra are prone to emotions and they pay for their actions.

     

    Especially the Deavatas like Indra , Varuna, Agni, Vayu and others are only a slightly more evolved Beings than Man:they undergo the trails and tribulations as we Humans go through because of our desires.

     

    3.Some of the passages quoted in the article are allegorical and they do not promote obscenity.

     

    4.To understand the Vedas , one must know that Vedas, at the Highest level do not subscribe to the concept of Sin at all.

     

    It says that the so-called Sins are the result of Human Nature nd warns people to stay away if they want to develop spiritually.

     

    Sanctions are imposed by the Smritis and not by the Sruthi(Vedas)

     

    Later The Ithihasas, Ramayana,  Mahabharata and the Puranas express this idea from real life and expose the perils of such desires.

     

    But this concept needs maturity to understand.

     

    In the hands of the immature this would promote personal degradation and social instability.

     

    5.And one must understand that The Puranas,and the Vedas are facts and they reveal what is the Truth, even if it be unpalatable and by our human standards sinful.

     

    Facts, in the view of Hinduism, are facts, even if the perpetrators are Gods themselves.

     

    It may be Indra when he forcefully enjoyed Ahalya,Lord Rama when He killed Vaali by hiding behind a tree or Lord Krishna’s son who ridiculed Sages.

     

    Rig Veda 10.110.5 Spacious doors remain wide open like beautiful wives for their husbands. O divine doors, great and all-impellers, be easy of access to the gods.Capture1

     

    Yaska Acharya explains this verse as

    Nirukta 8.10 ”Having spaciousness, make yourself wide open as exceedingly beautiful wives do their thighs for their husbands in sexual intercourse. The thighs are the most beautiful parts (of the body)…”

     

    The next verse is even more obscene,

     

    ‘‘Just as a wife, the recipient of semen, at the time of cohabitation keeps her head opposite to the head of the husband, and her face opposite to that of his, so should both husband and wife perform together their domestic duties. A husband is a protector like a physician. He lives happily like a child, and with tranquillity produces progeny with penis keen with ardour.”- Yajur Veda 19.88, Tr. Devi Chand (Arya Samaj), p.215.

     

    What is obscene  in describing the actual sex position?

     

    Hinduism does nor  abhor sex for it knows it is Natural

     

    As to the first portion of this quote, it is a simile .

     

    “We read in newspaper about some Hindu scholars condemning homosexuality. But do they have any evidence that prohibits homosexuality in Hinduism? Hindu scholars fail to furnish any reference which condemns homosexuality but still some try to term homosexuality as irreligious act. Fortunately there are some Hindu scholars like Shri Shri Ravishankar who honestly accept such facts, below are two snapshots of his tweets

     

    True.

     

    Hinduism accepts LGBT.

     

    What is wrong in it?

     

    Please read my post on this.

     

    Animal Sex.

    Some protestant Hindus proudly promote Vedas as philosophical, free from all vulgarities. But in reality there is no limit for Vulgarity in Vedas. It even promotes sex with animals let alone adultery and pornography. Sex with animals in Hinduism is not a vulgar thing, Ancient Hindu temples like Khajuraho, Ajanta, Ellora clearly depicts men and girls having sex with animals.

     

    ”As a buffalo (Indra) desired the lusty female born from himself; the mena of the horse he made into the mother of the cow”- Rig Veda 1.121.2, Tr. Geldner.

     

    Maharshi Yaska mentions a strange story about the birth of Asvins (the twin horsemen). The story says Saranyu was unwilling to have sex with Vivasvat and ran away but Vivasvat chased her and raped her. Yaska writes,

     

    ”Saranyu daughter of Tvastr bore twins, Yama and Yami, to Vivasvat the sun. She having substituted another lady of similar appearance, and having assumed the shape of a mare, ran away. He, Vivasvat, the sun, having also assumed the shape of a horse, pursued her, and joined her. Thence the Asvins were born. Manu was born from the lady of similar appearance.” Nirukta 12.10

     

    In all these cases the perversions of Human Nature are exposed.

     

    They are not promoted.

     

    In these cases the individual has sex with the animals after assuming the form of the animal, there is no Human animal sex here.

     

    The articles other points merit)?) the same rebuttal.

     

    I forgot to add that some of the meanings are by western scholars(?) to malign Hinduism and promote Christianity.

     

    Citation.

    http://truthabouthinduism.wordpress.com/2014/05/15/there-is-indeed-obscenity-in-vedas/

     

    Related.

     

    http://ramanisblog.in/tag/kausalya/

     

    http://ramanisblog.in/2013/05/14/incest-in-the-vedas/

     

     

  • Pitrus Presiding Deties Sraddha

    Details of Pitrus present and the Deities of Sraddha.

     

    1 Pururav-Aardrav and Dhurilochan

    Pururav-Aardrav and Dhurilochan are deities of ancestors’ souls. They are referenced in the ritual of Shraddha.

    1.2. Vasu-Rudra-Aditya

    1.‘Shraddha is associated with the benevolent deities Vasu, Rudra and Aditya of the ancestors’ souls. The mantras chanted during the Shraddha and the rites performed enables one to connect to these deities.’ (6)

    2. The deceased person for whom the ritual of Shraddha is being performed, is considered as a follower of Vasu, his parents are considered as followers of Rudra and his grand parents are considered as followers of Aditya. Therefore during Shraddha, the names of father, grandfather and great grandfather (or mother, grandmother and great grandmother) are pronounced as representatives of Vasu-Rudra-Aditya respectively.

     

    Presiding Deity of
    the departed ancestors
    Associated mission
    Vasu Desire
    Rudra Dissolution
    Aditya Action

    During the ritual of Shraddha the Vishvedevs called Pururav-Ardrav and Dhurilochan are also invoked. Vishvedev means the ‘group of Deities which represents the Deities during a sacrificial fire’.

     

    Pitrus, Ancestoes present during Mahalaya Sraddha.

     

    . Father, grandfather, great grandfather (Pitrutrayi) 10. Maternal uncle
    2. Mother, grandmother and great grandmother (matrutrayi) 11. Brother
    3. Step mother 12. Father’s sisters
    4. Mother’s father, grandfather and great grandmother (matamahatrayi) 13. Mother’s sisters
    5. Mother’s mother, grandmother and great grandmother 14. Sisters
    6. Wife 15. Father-in-law
    7. Sons 16. Other relatives
    8. Daughters 17. Guru (if the Guru-disciple relationship exists)
    9. Paternal cousins 18. Disciple (if the Guru-disciple relationship exists)

    http://kramans.blogspot.in/2012/01/shraddha.html

  • Brahmin An Outcast ,Vratya, Manusmriti

    The much maligned  Manusmriti  reserves the strictest sanctions for Brahmins.

     

    There are many citations in the Manu Smriti where these are mentioned.

     

    In general, punishment for a Brahmin is thousand fold for an offense than what is being sanctioned for a Sudra.

     

     

    In this article we shall see how a Brahmin is declared  as an Outcast in one instance, which is very serious.

     

    That instance is Upanayana, wearing of the Sacred Thread)Ceremony)

     

     

     

    36. In the eighth year after conception, one should perform the initiation (upanayana) of a Brahmana, in the eleventh after conception (that) of a Kshatriya, but in the twelfth that of a Vaisya. 

    37. (The initiation) of a Brahmana who desires proficiency in sacred learning should take place in the fifth (year after conception), (that) of a Kshatriya who wishes to become powerful in the sixth, (and that) of a Vaisya who longs for (success in his) business in the eighth. 

    38. The (time for the) Savitri (initiation) of a Brahmana does not pass until the completion of the sixteenth year (after conception), of a Kshatriya until the completion of the twenty-second, and of a Vaisya until the completion of the twenty-fourth. 

    39. After those (periods men of) these three (castes) who have not received the sacrament at the proper time, become Vratyas (outcasts), excluded from the Savitri (initiation) and despised by the Aryans. 

    40. With such men, if they have not been purified ac cording to the rule, let no Brahmana ever, even in times of distress, form a connexion either through the Veda or by marriage. “

    Manu Smriti Chapter 2:31;39

     

    Citation.

     

    http://www.hindubooks.org/scriptures/manusmriti/ch2/ch2_31_40.html

     

     

  • Book Hinduism History Indian Philosphy Unique Temples

    I have manuscripts  in English ready for Publication on Hinduism, Indian Philosophy,Unique temples India, The World..

     

    These , I intend publishing  as  books.

     

     

     

    The contents have been received well in my blog www.ramanan50.wordpress.com.

     

     

    The topics covered are.

     

    Essentials of Hinduism.

     

    Vedas, some important Texts, Explanations.

     

    Scientific explanation of Indian Thought.

     

    Proof of Ramayana, Mahabharata, Vedic Culture.

     

    Spread of Hinduism, Sanatana Dharma throughout the world with archeological and historical proof.

     

    Real Indian History.How our Dharama was spread around the world.

     

    Sanatana Dharama spread from South.

     

    Rig Veda composed in the Arctic.

     

    Higher Physics interpreted with Vedic Knowledge.

     

    Sakthi Peethas, location, Legends, How to reach them.

     

    List of Shiva Sthalas, Shakthi Sthalas,

     

    Devi Upasna,

     

    Advanced concepts in Vedas on Latest scientific developments including Multi verses, Quantum theory.

     

    And much more.

     

    Many of the readers of my blog have been asking me to bring out in Book from .

     

    Only now I feel I can publish them  in a couple of Books, it might be more than two books,

     

    I plan to do the Translation in Tamil as well.

     

    I am in search of a quality Publisher with a commitment to spread Sanatana Dharma.

     

    Publishers,or those who have contacts with Publishers may contact me.

     

    Separate arrangements for US may also be worked out.

     

    The articles may be found under Hinduism, Temples, Indian Philosophy,Science, Astrophysics.

     

    I shall be updating them before publication.

     

    Those who can translate in Kannada, Hindi,and Telugu are invited to send in their proposal as I have received requests for publishing in these languages.

     

    Regrds.

  • Vedic Embryology Garbhopanishad

    The scriptures of the Hindus, Vedas speak of Embryology.

     

    There are references in the Puranas to Embryology.

     

    1.Dadisi’s Stemcell was taken from his backbone, when Dadisi gave his backbone to Indra, Chief of Devatas to enable him to create a Powerful weapon, Vajrayadudha.

     

    2.Sage Agasthya was born in Pot, with Semen being kept in it.

     

    3.Lord Krishna taught Abhimanyu the Chakravyuha., a Battle formation.

     

    There are more instances, I shall be posting on this in detail.

     

    I have published an article on Human Conception Embryology in The Vedas where I have dealt with references to Bhagavatham and Charaka Samhita.

     

    We have a Upanishad fully devoted to Embryology.

     

    It is Garbhopanishad by Paippalada.

     

    Here is the Translation.

     

     

    Om ! May He protect us both together; may He nourish us both together; May we work conjointly with great energy, May our study be vigorous and effective; May we not mutually dispute (or may we not hate any). Om ! Let there be Peace in me ! Let there be Peace in my environment ! Let there be Peace in the forces that act on me !
    The body is fivefold in nature (the five elements), existing in the five, depending on the six (tastes of food), connected with the six qualities (kama etc.,), seven Dhatus, three impurities, three Yonis (of excretion) and four kinds of food.
    Why say ‘Fivefold in nature ?’ The five elements Earth, Water, Fire, Wind and Ether. In this body, whatever is hard is of Earth, liquid is water, warm is fire, whatever moves about is air and space-enclosed is ether. The function of the Earth is to support, water is to consolidate (digestion etc.,). Fire is to see, wind is for moving, Ether is to give space (for vital functions).
    The eyes are used in seeing form, ears for sound, tongue for taste, the skin and nose for touch and smell respectively; genital for pleasure, Apana is for evacuation (of bowels). The person cognises through the intellect, wills with the mind and speaks with the tongue.
    The six-fold support is the six tastes (of food): sweet, acid, salty, pungent, bitter and astringent.
    1-7. Sadja, Risabha, Gandhara, Panchama, Madhyama, Dhaivata, Nisadha – these are the seven agreeable and disagreeable sounds. White, Red, Black smoke-coloured, Yellow, Tawny and Pale-White – these are the colours of the seven Dhatus (primary Humours). Why ? For Devadatta (any person) there springs up in his mind desire for enjoyment of objects. From relish of food blood is born, from it is flesh, thence fat, bones, marrow, semen; by the combination of semen and blood the foetus is born.
    Vital warmth springs up in the womb and the belly. In the seat of the warmth bile, Prana flows – at the proper season ordained by the creator.
    8. The embryo lying (in the womb) for (a day) and night is a confused mass; after seven days it becomes a bubble; after a fortnight, a mass and in a month, it hardens. In two months develops the region of the head; in three months, the feet; in the fourth, belly and hip; in the fifth, the backbone; in the sixth, nose, eyes and ears; in the seventh the embryo quickens with life and in the eighth month, it becomes complete.
    9. By the dominance of the father’s semen, the child becomes male; the mother’s – female. When equal, a eunuch. If, at the time of impregnation, the parents are agitated, the child will be blind, crippled, hunch-backed or stunted in growth. If the couple have vital-air-trouble, the semen enters in two parts resulting in twins.
    10. In the eighth month, in conjunction with the five vital airs the Jiva gets the capacity to know its past affairs (of past births), conceives of the imperishable Atman as Om, through perfect knowledge and meditation. Having known Om he sees in the body the eight Prakritis derived from it the five elements, mind, intellect and ego and the sixteen changes [see Prasnopanishad].
    11. The body becomes complete in the ninth month and remembers the past birth. Actions done and not done flash to him and he recognises the good and bad nature of Karma.
    12-17. ‘I have seen thousands of wombs, eaten several kinds of food and sucked many breasts; born and dead often, I am immersed in grief but see no remedy. If I can get out of this, I will resort to Sankhya-Yoga which destroys misery and yields liberation; or I resort to Maheshvara who destroys misery. Or I resort to Narayana, who destroys misery. If I did good and bad deeds for the sake of my dependants, I shall myself be burnt for the deeds – the others who enjoyed the fruits go away (unaffected).
    18. The person being squeezed as it were by a machine is touched by all-pervading air and forgets previous births and deeds.
    19. Why is the body so called ? It has three fires: the Kosthagni ripens all that is eaten; the Darsanagni helps one see colour etc., the Jnanagni is the mind which helps perform good and bad deeds.
    20. The Daksinagni is in the heart; Garhapatya in the belly and Ahavaniya in the mouth; the intellect is the performer’s consort, contentment is Diksha, sense organs are the utensils, head is the jar, hair is the sacred grass, the mouth the interior of the altar etc.

    Here ends the Garbhopanishad belonging to the Krishna-Yajur-Veda.

    *Translated by Dr. A. G. Krishna Warrier
    Published by The Theosophical Publishing House, Chennai.

     

    Date of Garbhopanishad.

    Moore hints at amazement with the Garbha Upanishad in almost the same breath. Regarding this text, he writes:
    A brief Sanskrit treatise on ancient Indian embryology is thought to have been written in 1416 B.C.

    This scripture of the Hindus, called Garbha Upanishad, describes ancient ideas concerning the embryo.

    It states:
    From the conjugation of blood and semen the embryo comes into existence.

    During the period favorable to conception, after the sexual intercourse, (it) becomes a Kalada (one-day-old embryo).

    After remaining seven nights it becomes a vesicle.

    After a fortnight it becomes a sperical mass. After a month it becomes a firm mass [12]

    Pre-2000 BCE
    The first question concerns the date of the Garbha Upanishad. Since it is ascribed to Pippalāda, we need to determine this sage’s place in the Vedic tradition, although it is believed that the text may not be as old as the sage. Pippalāda is also the instructing sage of the Praśna Upani¬ad and the author of the Atharvaveda śākhā named after him (Paippalāda śākhā). As a principal arranger of the Atharvaveda, he should be assigned to at least the middle of the second millennium BCE, if the ›gveda is to be taken to be no later than 2000 BCE, as is suggested by hydrological evidence related to the drying up of the Sarasvatī river around this time, and the fact that the ›gveda celebrates this river as the great river of its time, flowing from the mountains to the sea.
    According to the Purāªas, Pippalāda was the disciple of the ›¬i Vedasparśa, and he instructed Yudhi¬−hira in the significance of the A¡gāravrata, which is based on a dialogue between ˜ukra and Virocana.
    The physiological knowledge in the Garbha Upani¬ad is consistent with that found in the oldest Upani¬ads. Like the other texts, it speaks of recursion, but it doesn’t list as many channels (veins and nerves) as the other texts do. This indicates that this Upani¬ad may be older than what has been assumed.
    Pippalāda answers six questions in the Praśna Upani¬ad, a number that is reminiscent of the six darśanas. The six questions touch upon six different aspects of reality: forms (nyāya), basis of life (mīmā÷sā), origins (sā÷khya), devas within (yoga), next world (vedānta), and modifications (vaiśe¬ika). This is not an argument for the lateness of the Praśna Upani¬ad, but rather for the remote antiquity of six bases to reality, which mirroring the six directions..

    Citation.

    (http://www.geocities.com/freethoughtmecca/embryo.html)

    (Link does not seem to work)

     

    http://ramanisblog.in/2014/05/22/human-conception-embryology-in-the-vedas/