Valmiki himself is reported to have written more than one version, Adhyatma ramayana, AdbudaRamaya, among otheres.
One has to read Valmiki in the original to know how modern his story telling skilling technics are , with crisp or elaborate narration as required by the scene,descriptions of people and places, Imagery, most modern Flash back technics in story telling.
Some of the Sargas are the best screen plays ever conceived.
There is one verse which summarises the entire story of Ramayana of 24’000 couplets in one verse!
This also must have been by Valmiki himself, as I am of he opinion, given his skills, none other than Valmiki could have even conceived this Sloka.
There is a Legend that Varauchi,who was in King Vikramaditya’s Court and A great Sanskrit scholar, was asked to pick the best sloka in the Ramayana, which has 24,000 slokas, couplets.
It has 3 meanings as follows.
Meaning 1:”Know Rama to be Dasaratha. Look upon Seetha the daughter of Janaka as myself. Consider the forest as Ayodhya and depart happily, my son!”
Meaning 2: Know Rama is one with 10 avtharas (Vishnu) Know Seetha as Lakshmi (Mam) and Know Forest as Ayodya (Un conquerable-Vaikunta) and depart happily
Meaning 3: Consider Dasaratha as Dead, consider me as departed to my maternal home (as widow), and forget Ayodya and depart happily.
“””In Ramyan, when King Sugriv directs his men in all directions in search of Sita, he instructs people going to east direction to check out for a TRIDENT engraved on a mountain.
He describes the Trident as “A long Golden flagstick with three limbs stuck on top.
It always glitters in when seen from sky”. (This trident is on west coast of peru – Lima and is visible clearly from the sky)
In Valmiki Ramayan – Kishkindha Kaand – The sanskrit shlok is as below: (Kishkindha-39/47-48)
To corroborate that further I shall be posting articles with Archelogical, Zoological evidence apart from references from Indian and Foreign literature.
After I posted on Ramayana Dateline, I have been asked to write on Mahabharata on similar lines.
This is a minefield.
One has to be remember that Ramayana had taken place in Treta Yuga while the Mahabharata took place in the Dwapara Yuga.
Treta Yuga lasted for 1,296,000 years and the duration of the Dvāpara-yuga is 864,000 years.
Mahabharata War took place towards the close of the Dwapara Yuga.
That is to say that the Ramayana and Mahabharata were separated by a minimum of 21,59000 Years.
Hereunder is provided a short table dates of important Mahabharat events in years. (Dates and Tithis in years in Rama Samvat assuming Shri Rama Samvat 1st January. 1 equivalent to 1st Jan 7323 B.C. Rama’s birth date has been conclusively proved to be 4th Dec. 7323 B.C.( “Vastav Ramayan“).
EVENT DATE
Going to forest 4th Sept. 5574 BC
Kitmeet Killed 7th Sept. 5574 BC
Going underground 19th May 5562 BC
Keechak killed 1st April 5561 BC
Anukeechak-Massacre 2nd April 5561 BC
End of secret life 9th April 5561 BC
Cows stolen 15th April 5561 BC
Arjuna exposed 16th April 5561 BC
All pandavas exposed 19th April 5561 BC
Marriage of Uttara 4th May.
& Abhimanyu.
Krishna set out for a treaty. 27th Sept.
Stay at Upaplavya 27th Sept.
Stay at Vrukshthala 28th Sept.
Dinner to Brahmins 29th Sept.
Entry into Hastinapur 30th Sept.
Krishna meets Kunti etc. 1st Oct.
Invited for meeting 2nd Oct.
First meeting 3rd Oct.
Second meeting and an attempt 4th Oct.
to arrest Krishna.
Third meeting Vishvaroopa 7th Oct.
Stay at Kunti 8th Oct.
Krishna meets Karna. War 9th Oct.
fixed.
Krishna returns 9th Oct.
Pandavas preparation 11th Oct.
Balaram's visit.
Mahabharat war started 16th Oct.
Abhimanyu killed 28th Oct. 5561 BC.
End of War 2nd November 5561 B.C.
Yudhishthira crowned 16th Nov. 5551 BC.
Bhishma expired 22nd Dec. 5561 BC
Pandava campaign 15th Jan. 5560 BC
for wealth
Parikshita born 28th Jan. 5560 BC
Pandavas return 25th Feb. 5560 BC
Ashvamedh Deeksha. 1st March 5560 BC
Return of Arjuna Horse 15th Jan. 5560 BC
Ashvamedh yajna 22nd Feb. 5559 BC
Dhrutarashtra went to forest 18th Aug. 5545 BC
Pandavas visited Kunti 18th Aug. 5543 BC
Vidura expired
Death of Kunti, Dhrutarashtra, Sept./Oct. 5541 BC
and Gandhari
Yadava Massacre 5525 B.C.Parikshit Dead 5499 B.C.
-P.V.Vartak, Swayambhu (in Marathi), Ved Vidnyana Mandal, Pune
All the twelve planets confirm their said positions on 16th October 5561 years B.C. along with two Amavasyas, two eclipses, Kshaya Paksha and a Comet. Thus, in all 18 mathematical positions fix the same date. Therefore, we have to accept this date of the Mahabharat War, if we want to be scientific. Please note that all the twelve planets will come in the same positions again only after 2229 crores of years. That means it will never happen again in the life of our earth, because life of the earth is only 400 crores of years. So the date of the Mahabharat War is pin-pointed as 16th October 5561 B.C..
The date of Ramayana is , the last recoded event for discusssion here, is ,
“Ravana is killed by Rama 15th November 7292 B.C.Rama returns to Ayodhya”
For Mahabharata,
Pandavas Going to forest 4th Sept. 5574 BC is the earliest event taken for discussion here.
The dudifference between the last event of Ramayana and the first event of Mahabharata event is,
7292-/5574 is only 1718 years!
So the difference between the last event of Ramayana and the first Mahabharata event is 7292-/5574. is 1718 Years!
Now to confound further,
'Yet cross indexing the various Purans and the Astrological data supported by actual Astronomical phenomena like Rama‘s Birth chart,Eclipses during Ramayana andMahabharata forces one to the conclusion that Lord Rama’s Death preceded Lord Krishna’s only by 200 years."
This anomaly can be answered only if one follows the concept of the theory of Cyclic Theory of Time.
Even if we accept this, there is still the point of reconciling 200 years.
But again, as Time calculation depends on the position of the observer, the dates mentioned and being proved n=by us might vary because our position differs from the recorded dates of Ramayana and Mahabharata.
Citaton.
http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/mahabharat/mahab_vartak.html
kaH ca raamaH katham viiryaH kim ruupaH kim paraakramaH |
kim artham daNDakaaraNyam praviSTaH ca sudustaram || 3-34-2
2. raamaH kaH= Rama, who is; katham viiryaH= what, is his calibre; kim ruupaH= of what, mien; kim paraakramaH= what, is his bravery; su dustaram= highly, inscrutable; daNDaka araNyam= Dandaka forest; kim artham praviSTaH= what, for reason, he entered.
“Who is Rama? How brave he is? Of what mien and what calibre he is? And for what reason he entered the highly inscrutable Dandaka forest? [1-34-2]
‘Why this Rama has to come this far to Dandaka instead of loitering somewhere near Himalayas? Has he come purposefully with any revenge against us, the demons, or is it a pleasure-trip? Why should he leave his ancestral kingdom and enter Dandaka, a stronghold of demons?’ This is the real worry of Ravana. kena ca k˜raõena kula parampara ˜gatam pr˜jyam r˜jyam parityajya nikhila niþ˜cara v˜so asmin deþe sam˜gata× – dk Ravana might be unaware that Dandaka forest also belongs to Ikshvaku-s as Kishkindha belonged to them, as said by Rama at the time of eliminating of Vali.
Then on seeing Shurpanakha speaking bitter words against him in the presence of ministers, Ravana is verily infuriated and questioned her.
“Who is this Rama? How is his bravery? And of what mien and what might he is? And for what reason he entered the highly inscrutable Dandaka forest?
Comment: ‘Why this Rama has to come this far to Dandaka instead of loitering somewhere near Himalayas? Has he come purposefully with any revenge against us, the demons or is it a pleasure trip?’ is the real worry of Ravana. kena ca k˜raõena kula parampara ˜gatam pr˜jyam r˜jyam parityajya nikhila niþ˜cara v˜so asmin deþe sam˜gata× – dk ‘why should he leave his ancestral kingdom and enter Dandaka, a stronghold of demons?’ Ravana might be unaware that Dandaka also belongs to Ikshvaku-s as Kishkindha belonged to them, as said by Rama at the time of eliminating of Vali.
“What is the weapon of that Rama by whom these many demons are killed in war, also the unkillable Khara is killed and Dushana and Trishira likewise?
Comment: This can be simple question ‘What is his weapon?’ without telling round about as above. But Ravana is weighing arsenal balance since he is self-content a giant-robot namely Kumbhakarna, and one brave and all-trickster son Indrajit with his own ICBMs, ASMs and ASMs, plus his own invincibility. Thereby he said to be puzzled and asking: k˜ni k˜ni ca ˜yudh˜ni khara mukha niþ˜cra pr˜õa h˜ni kar˜õi – dk ‘you said that Rama caused this havoc single-handedly, then he should have used various and numerous weapons by which missiles are flung… because common sense does not permit any belief that one bow can dart numerous arrows or missile, that too when wielded by a single human…’..’
-Aranya Kanda, Sraga 34, Sloka 2.
To take the view that Kumbhakarna was Robot is not sensible as he had two sons , Kumbha and Nikumbha.
Now consider these lies spoke by Vibhishana on Kumbhakarna adavncing in the Battle field.
“Sage Valmiki writes the thoughts of Brahma when he saw Kumbhakarna :
Translation : It is sure that you were created by visravasa for the destroyal of people. On that account, you will be sleeping apparently dead from now onwards.
Here, he clearly uses the word ‘nirmitaH‘, which means ‘built/created‘ by Visravasa, who was Ravana’s father.
When Kumbhakarna was approaching Vanara Army and crushing them under his toes, they started to runway in fear.
Then Ravana’s brother Vibhishana reveal the truth of Kumbhakarna to Rama and his army.
Translation : Hurled by Kumbhakarna in his mouth which was looking like a hole in the earth, the monkeys again came out from his nostrils and ears.
How can person enter into a gigantic person’s mouth and come out of nostrils and ears, unless the giant is a machine with no internal anatomy ?
But in same Ramayana, it was clearly stated that Kumbhakarna was married with Vajramala and had kumbh, nikumbh as sons.
These sons were killed by Hanuman.
So, Kumbhakarna must be an alive brother of Ravana, who operated a giant robot from its inside (like the AMP suit in Avatar movie).
So the robot was known with the same name of its operator.
Infact Kumbha-Karna means the one who has pot(kumbha) like ears(karna).
Rama used Vayuvyastra (a wind forced missile) to cut-off Kumbhakarna’s arm and later chopped its head.
When Kumbhakarna was shot down by arrows of Rama, he died and the robot which had nobody to control it, fell into the sea.
Upon knowing the death of Kumbhakarna, Ravana and his sons wept.
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