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  • Atlantis People Descendants Of Shiva Ganesha Muruga

    One can not wish away the concept of legends of Lemuria ,Atlantis.

    They are found in many a civilization’s legends,the civilizations set apart by distance and cultural practices.

    Descriptions and references are found in Greek,Latin,Spanish, Nordic, Sanskrit and Tamil.

    1.From the Hindu texts it may be inferred that it was inhabited by the descendants of Shiva, Ganesha and Subrahmanya.

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    Shiva in Atlantis .Shiva with Trident.

    Tamil literature speaks of  the great Tsunamis, repeatedly emphasized in Sangam Literature , about 5000 old and this is backed by the Puranas.

    Or the Tamil literature might be backing up the Purana.

    Lord Rama’s ancestor, Vaivasvatha Manu left from the Dravidian South for the Saraswathi valley and his successor’s founded the Ayodhya Kingdom.

    Manu left by the Arabian sea route and traveled to the Sarasvathi river initially.

    Shiva with his offspring Ganesha and Subrahmanya, referred to as Murugan in Tamil, left by the Arabian sea through the Arabian peninsula to settle down in the Europe, Africa and Latin American countries.

    Manu’s descendants also spread towards the north and north-east through Iran, Russia and went as far as the Arctic.

    The Rig Veda is reported to have been complied in the Arctic.

    2.References found in the Hindu Texts indicate that the people who left by the Arabian sea through the middle east mingled with the local people in those area and so were treated as Milechas by the Sarasvati Valley people.

    There seems to have been a constant war going on between these two Groups and those in the region of the Atlantis were referred to as Asuras, the powerful.

    3.Asuras are different from the Rakshasas who lived in the southern part of  thepresent India from SriLanka down wards, eastwards.

    Ravana is one such Rakshasa.

    This is mentioned in Tamil Literature  while speaking about Lemuria Continent.

    The Vedic and Purana texts  refer them as Southerners, Dravida.

    4.There have also been a clashes between the Lemurians and the Atlantis people.

    This again is mentioned n the Puranas as the clash between the Asuras and Rakshasas.

    5.In the Ramayana Sugreeva was asked to search for Sita in Peru and the Nazca lines are the Trishula Marks of Shiva.

    Plato’s description of Atlantis.

    But when the divine portion began to fade away in them, being diluted too often and too much by admixture with mortal blood, and the human nature began to preponderate, they became unable to control their behavior and became unseemly… and grew visibly debased…

    Then, Zeus, the god of gods, who rules by law… seeing that an honorable race was in a most wretched state, and intending to punish them, that they might be purified and improve… gathered all gods together and spake as follows:…”…

    There is a story which even you have preserved, that once upon a time Phaethon, the son of Helios, having yoked the steeds in his father’s chariot, because he was not able to drive them in the path of his father, burnt up all that was upon the earth, and was himself destroyed by a thunderbolt. Now, this has the form of a myth, but really signifies a declination of the bodies moving around the earth and in the heavens, and a great conflagration of things upon the earth recurring at long intervals of time: when this happens, those who live upon the mountains and in dry and lofty places are more liable to destruction than those who dwell by rivers or on the sea-shore; and from this calamity the Nile, who is our never-failing savior, saves and delivers us.

    When, on the other hand, the gods purge the earth with a deluge of water, among you herdsmen and shepherds on the mountains are the survivors, whereas those of you who live in cities are carried by the rivers into the sea; but in this country neither at that time nor at any other does the water come from above on the fields, having always a tendency to come up from below, for which reason the things preserved here are said to be the oldest.

    The fact is, that wherever the extremity of winter frost or of summer sun does not prevent, the human race is always increasing at times, and at other times diminishing in numbers. And whatever happened either in your country or in ours, or in any other region of which we are informed–if any action which is noble or great, or in any other way remarkable has taken place, all that has been written down of old, and is preserved in our temples; whereas you and other nations are just being provided with letters and the other things which States require; and then, at the usual period, the stream from heaven descends like a pestilence, and leaves only those of you who are destitute of letters and education; and thus you have to begin all over again as children, and know nothing of what happened in ancient times, either among us or among yourselves.

    As for those genealogies of yours which you have recounted to us, Solon, they are no better than the tales of children; for, in the first place, you remember one deluge only, whereas there were many of them; and, in the next place, you do not know that there dwelt in your land the fairest and noblest race of men which ever lived, of whom you and your whole city are but a seed or remnant. And this was unknown to you, because for many generations the survivors of that destruction died and made no sign.

    For there was a time, Solon, before that great deluge of all, when the city which now is Athens was first in war, and was preeminent for the excellence of her laws, and is said to have performed the noblest deeds, and to have had the fairest constitution of any of which tradition tells, under the face of heaven.’

    Solon marveled at this, and earnestly requested the priest to inform him exactly and in order about these former citizens.

    ‘You are welcome to hear about them, Solon,’ said the priest, ‘both for your own sake and for that of the city; and, above all, for the sake of the goddess who is the common patron and protector and educator of both our cities. She founded your city a thousand years before ours, receiving from the Earth and Hephaestus the seed of your race, and then she founded ours, the constitution of which is set down in our sacred registers as 8000 years old.

    As touching the citizens of 9000 years ago, I will briefly inform you of their laws and of the noblest of their actions; and the exact particulars of the whole we will hereafter go through at our leisure in the sacred registers themselves. If you compare these very laws with your own, you will find that many of ours are the counterpart of yours, as they were in the olden time.

    In the first place, there is the caste of priests, which is separated from all the others; next there are the artificers, who exercise their several crafts by themselves, and without admixture of any other; and also there is the class of shepherds and that of hunters, as well as that of husbandmen; and you will observe, too, that the warriors in Egypt are separated from all the other classes, and are commanded by the law only to engage in war; moreover, the weapons with which they are equipped are shields and spears, and this the goddess taught first among you, and then in Asiatic countries, and we among the Asiatics first adopted.’

    Citation:

    http://ascendingpassage.com/plato-atlantis-critias.htm

    http://www.lost-civilizations.net/horse-sacrifice-atlantis-indies-4.html#long

    Related.

    http://ramanisblog.in/2014/07/31/search-sita-in-peru-nazca-lines-sugreeva-ramayana/

    http://ramanisblog.in/2014/08/09/ramas-ancestor-manu-dravida-bhagavatha-purana/

  • Mantrika Upanishad Essence of Vedas Advaita

    The Mantrika Upanishad appears in the Atharva Veda.

     

    Full of symbolism ans an integrated approach to all the Three Vedas ,a clear exposition of Advaita and Maya can be found in this Upanishad.

     

    I shall be posting an article explaining the concept.

     

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    Lord Subrahmanya.

     

    Translation.

     

    Om ! That (Brahman) is infinite, and this (universe) is infinite.

    The infinite proceeds from the infinite.

    (Then) taking the infinitude of the infinite (universe),

    It remains as the infinite (Brahman) alone.

    Om ! Let there be Peace in me !

    Let there be Peace in my environment !

    Let there be Peace in the forces that act on me !

    1. The eight-footed immaculate Swan, bound with three cords, subtle and imperishable, to whom three ways lead, I see not though I see it everywhere.

    2. At the time all living beings are confounded (in the darkness of nescience) when (however) the pileless darkness is shattered (by the sun of saving knowledge). The sages established in Sattva behold the Absolute beyond Gunaa (right) in the sphere of gunas.

    3 (a). Contemplated by sages like Kumara, etc.; the Absolute is not otherwise capable of being perceived (at all).

    3(b)-4. The agent of superimposition the Unborn (Maya), the nescient eight-fold inveterate mother of modifications; thus it is extended and again prodded. The world under such power and guidance gives rise to the values of man.

    5. The Lord’s mighty Maya, having both a beginning and end, the creatrix, brings beings into existence; white, black and red (She) fulfils all desires.

    6. (The ignorant) experiences this non-objective Maya (whose real nature is) unknown (even) to sages like Kumara. The Lord alone freely following (Her) enjoys Maya (as Her Lord and Companion).

    7. He enjoys (Her) through both contemplation and action. He, the omnipresent one, sustains (Her) who is common to one and all, the yielder (of desired objects) and is enjoyed by the sacrificers.

    8. The magnanimous (sages) behold in (the sphere of) Maya the bird eating the fruits (of Karmas). The priests who have completed their Vedic training have declared the Other to be detached.

    9. The masters of the Rig-Veda, well-versed in the Shastras repeat what the Yajur-Vedins have declared. The adepts in Sama-Veda singing Brhatsama and Rathantara also (reaffirm this truth).

    10. (Vedic) sages like Bhrigu and the Bhargavas – these followers of the Atharva-Veda, practising the Veda, the mantras and the secret doctrines, in the sequence on Words, (all set forth the same doctrine).

    11-13. The faithful co-disciple, firm and accomplished, the red Bull, the sacrificial Remainder – as all these, in regard to Its immensity; and as Time, Life, the divine wrath, the Destroyer, the great Lord, the Becoming, Rudra, the Protector of Jivas, the Rewarder of the virtuous, the Lord of living beings, the Virat, the sustainer and the Waters (of life), is the all-Pervader lauded by beings magnified in the mantras and well-known to the Atharva-Veda.

    14. Some aver Him (the great Lord) as the twenty sixth (Principle); others as the twenty seventh; the masters of the Atharva-Veda and the Atharva Upanishads know the Spirits beyond qualities, as set forth in the Sankhya.

    15. The manifest and the unmanifest have been counted (together) as twenty four. (Some) declare Him non-dual; as dual; as three-fold; and similarly as five-fold.

    16. Those who see with the eye of wisdom, the twice-born, perceive Him as comprising everything from Brahma to sticks, as one only, pure through and through, all pervading.

    17. That in which this might manifold, moving and unmoving, is woven – in that very thing it also merges as the rivers do in the sea.

    18. In That in which the objects are dissolved, and, having been dissolved, become unmanifest, once more they attain manifestation; they are again born like bubbles.

    19. They come into being by virtue of causes supervised by individual selves that know ‘the field’. Such is the blessed Lord, so others repeatedly, declare.

    20. Those Brahmanas who (just) know Brahman – here only they are dissolved; and being dissolved they exist in the Avyakta. Having been dissolved they exist in the Avyakta – this is the secret doctrine.

    Om ! That (Brahman) is infinite, and this (universe) is infinite.

    The infinite proceeds from the infinite.

    (Then) taking the infinitude of the infinite (universe),

    It remains as the infinite (Brahman) alone.

    Om ! Let there be Peace in me !

    Let there be Peace in my environment !

    Let there be Peace in the forces that act on me !

    Om Shanti ! Shanti ! Shanti !
    Here ends the Mantrika Upanishad, as contained in the Shukla Paksha Yajur-Veda.

     

     

    Translated by A.G.Krishna Warrier, Published by The Theosophical Society of India.

    Citation.

    http://www.vedarahasya.net/mantrika.htm

     

  • Are The Vedas Obscene

    I have come across an article which claims to have analyzed the Vedas in-depth, with quotes and translations from eminent persons like Swami Dayananda Sarasvati,concluding  that the Vedas are Obscene.

     

     

    I have published an article on whether Rama’s Mother Kausalya indulged in Horse sex and orgy.

     

    Although all three of King Dasaratha’s wives were united with the carcass of the horse, Rama’s mom Kausalya was the one who had the honor of spending a whole night with the dead animal’s genitals plugged in her vagina: “

     

    Another on the observation that the Vedas contain and promote Incest.

     

    ‘Swami Dayanand Saraswati, in his book Rigvedadi Bhashya Bhumika on the authority of Rigved 1/164/33, uses immoral language to convey the working of the natural phenomenon. You can yourself assess the cheap nature of this allegory, which promotes and glorifies incest”

     

    Links are provided towards the close of the Post and you may read my rebuttals.

     

    Now to the conclusion that the Vedas are obscene.

     

    1.One should study the Vedas in its entirety.

     

    The Vedas are not Books that are compiled to promote a particular group nor are they founded by some one who visits Heaven in a Horse, reads the Laws of God written in a Stone(as if God can not remember His own Laws) and reveals(?) after  some time (possibly for recollection).

     

    The Vedas are grasped from the Ether by various people of various dispositions and were transmitted through word of mouth.

     

    Unlike some Religions, Hinduism, does not believe in numbers nor does it proclaim that  those who do not  subscribe to it are Infidels,Heathen, nor does it consign them to Hell.

    Information as experienced, as distinct from  being learned, were compiled later by Vyasa for People to refer and follow, if they so desire.

     

    2.The Vedas need 36 years of study or at least seven years to understand.

     

    3.The core teaching has to be grasped, that of,

     

    Reality being a Principle,

     

    That It has No name and Form,

     

    That the Deavatas and the Timurthis, Brahma, Vishnu ans Rudra are prone to emotions and they pay for their actions.

     

    Especially the Deavatas like Indra , Varuna, Agni, Vayu and others are only a slightly more evolved Beings than Man:they undergo the trails and tribulations as we Humans go through because of our desires.

     

    3.Some of the passages quoted in the article are allegorical and they do not promote obscenity.

     

    4.To understand the Vedas , one must know that Vedas, at the Highest level do not subscribe to the concept of Sin at all.

     

    It says that the so-called Sins are the result of Human Nature nd warns people to stay away if they want to develop spiritually.

     

    Sanctions are imposed by the Smritis and not by the Sruthi(Vedas)

     

    Later The Ithihasas, Ramayana,  Mahabharata and the Puranas express this idea from real life and expose the perils of such desires.

     

    But this concept needs maturity to understand.

     

    In the hands of the immature this would promote personal degradation and social instability.

     

    5.And one must understand that The Puranas,and the Vedas are facts and they reveal what is the Truth, even if it be unpalatable and by our human standards sinful.

     

    Facts, in the view of Hinduism, are facts, even if the perpetrators are Gods themselves.

     

    It may be Indra when he forcefully enjoyed Ahalya,Lord Rama when He killed Vaali by hiding behind a tree or Lord Krishna’s son who ridiculed Sages.

     

    Rig Veda 10.110.5 Spacious doors remain wide open like beautiful wives for their husbands. O divine doors, great and all-impellers, be easy of access to the gods.Capture1

     

    Yaska Acharya explains this verse as

    Nirukta 8.10 ”Having spaciousness, make yourself wide open as exceedingly beautiful wives do their thighs for their husbands in sexual intercourse. The thighs are the most beautiful parts (of the body)…”

     

    The next verse is even more obscene,

     

    ‘‘Just as a wife, the recipient of semen, at the time of cohabitation keeps her head opposite to the head of the husband, and her face opposite to that of his, so should both husband and wife perform together their domestic duties. A husband is a protector like a physician. He lives happily like a child, and with tranquillity produces progeny with penis keen with ardour.”- Yajur Veda 19.88, Tr. Devi Chand (Arya Samaj), p.215.

     

    What is obscene  in describing the actual sex position?

     

    Hinduism does nor  abhor sex for it knows it is Natural

     

    As to the first portion of this quote, it is a simile .

     

    “We read in newspaper about some Hindu scholars condemning homosexuality. But do they have any evidence that prohibits homosexuality in Hinduism? Hindu scholars fail to furnish any reference which condemns homosexuality but still some try to term homosexuality as irreligious act. Fortunately there are some Hindu scholars like Shri Shri Ravishankar who honestly accept such facts, below are two snapshots of his tweets

     

    True.

     

    Hinduism accepts LGBT.

     

    What is wrong in it?

     

    Please read my post on this.

     

    Animal Sex.

    Some protestant Hindus proudly promote Vedas as philosophical, free from all vulgarities. But in reality there is no limit for Vulgarity in Vedas. It even promotes sex with animals let alone adultery and pornography. Sex with animals in Hinduism is not a vulgar thing, Ancient Hindu temples like Khajuraho, Ajanta, Ellora clearly depicts men and girls having sex with animals.

     

    ”As a buffalo (Indra) desired the lusty female born from himself; the mena of the horse he made into the mother of the cow”- Rig Veda 1.121.2, Tr. Geldner.

     

    Maharshi Yaska mentions a strange story about the birth of Asvins (the twin horsemen). The story says Saranyu was unwilling to have sex with Vivasvat and ran away but Vivasvat chased her and raped her. Yaska writes,

     

    ”Saranyu daughter of Tvastr bore twins, Yama and Yami, to Vivasvat the sun. She having substituted another lady of similar appearance, and having assumed the shape of a mare, ran away. He, Vivasvat, the sun, having also assumed the shape of a horse, pursued her, and joined her. Thence the Asvins were born. Manu was born from the lady of similar appearance.” Nirukta 12.10

     

    In all these cases the perversions of Human Nature are exposed.

     

    They are not promoted.

     

    In these cases the individual has sex with the animals after assuming the form of the animal, there is no Human animal sex here.

     

    The articles other points merit)?) the same rebuttal.

     

    I forgot to add that some of the meanings are by western scholars(?) to malign Hinduism and promote Christianity.

     

    Citation.

    http://truthabouthinduism.wordpress.com/2014/05/15/there-is-indeed-obscenity-in-vedas/

     

    Related.

     

    http://ramanisblog.in/tag/kausalya/

     

    http://ramanisblog.in/2013/05/14/incest-in-the-vedas/