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  • Tamil Group Hid Tamil History Veda References

     

    There is a Saying in Tamizh, one of the oldest languages of the world ,along with Sanskrit,

     

    ‘Doesn’t matter if I lose one of my eyes, the other should lose both their eyes’

     

    Map of some settlements of archelogical importance in Tamil Nadu.Image.jpg.
    Map of some settlements of archaeological importance in Tamil Nadu.

     

    This is what I felt when I searched for information about the antiquity of Tamizh.

     

    One does not get enough information on the Web.

     

    Or in the Public domain in the form of Books , Articles.

     

    As compared the touted , fraudulent love for Tamizh to make a living and vicious hatred for the Brahmins and the North, driven by the lust for power, a

    Group in Tamil Nadu has been systematically suppressing a portion of History of the Tamizh which speak about the Vedas and The Purans.

     

    This group,boot-lickers of the British Raj,fueled by the false and dis-proven Theory of Aryan Invasion , mainly promoted by the Justice party,

     

    purported to look after the welfare of the Tamils(interestingly

     

    the Leaders of the Party were not Tamils, but Telugu Theagaraya Chettiar and a Malayali!)

     

    suppressed the truth.

     

    The self-styled rationalist Periyar, EVR, Leader of the Tamils(again self-proclaimed)Karunanidhi and his minions were abetting this fraud.

     

    Their intention was to hide the fact that the Tamils had strong roots with The Sanatana Dharma.

     

    What they forgot(Really?)  is that in the process the Richness and the cultural Heritage, even the Date of the Tamil Sangam Literature was made to look recent!

     

    Let me quote.

    It is a fact that archaeology in the South has so far unearthed little that can compare to findings in the North in terms of ancientness, massiveness or sophistication�: the emergence of urban civilization in Tamil Nadu is now fixed at the second or third century BC, about two and a half millennia after the appearance of Indus cities. Moreover, we do not have any fully or largely excavated city or even medium-sized town�: Madurai, the ancient capital of the Pandya kingdom, has hardly been explored at all�; Uraiyur, that of the early Cholas, saw a dozen trenches�;[5] Kanchipuram, the Pallavas� capital, had seventeen, and Karur, that of the Cheras, hardly more�; Kaveripattinam,[6] part of the famous ancient city of Puhar (the first setting of the Shilappadikaram epic), saw more widespread excavations, yet limited with regard to the potential the site offers. The same may be said of Arikamedu (just south of Pondicherry), despite excavations by Jouveau-Dubreuil, Wheeler, and several other teams right up to the 1990s.[7]

     

    “We have a peculiar situation too as regards Southern India, and particularly Tamil Nadu. Take any classic account of Indian history and you will see how little space the South gets in comparison with the North. While rightly complaining that �Hitherto most historians of ancient India have written as if the south did not exist,�[ 1]Vincent Smith in his Oxford History of India hardly devotes a few pages to civilization in the South, that too with the usual stereotypes to which I will return shortly. R.�C. Majumdar�s Advanced History of India,[2] or A.�L. Basham�s The Wonder That Was India[3] are hardly better in that respect. The first serious History of South India,[4] that of K.�A. Nilakanta Sastri, appeared only in 1947. Even recent surveys of Indian archaeology generally give the South a rather cursory treatment….

     

    But there is a second reason for this poor awareness�: scholars and politicians drawing inspiration from the Dravidian movement launched by E.�V. Ramaswamy Naicker (�Periyar�) have very rigid ideas about the ancient history of Tamil Nadu. First, despite all evidence to the contrary, they still insist on the Aryan invasion theory in its most violent version, turning most North Indians and upper-caste Indians into descendants of the invading Aryans who overran the indigenous Dravidians, and Sanskrit into a deadly rival of Tamil. Consequently, they assert that Tamil is more ancient than Sanskrit, and civilization in the South older than in the North. Thus recently, Tamil Nadu�s Education minister decried in the State Assembly those who go �to the extent of saying that Dravidian civilization is part of Hinduism� and declared, �The Dravidian civilization is older than the Aryan.�[8] It is not uncommon to hear even good Tamil scholars utter such claims..

     

    1. Tolkappiyam is placed at two extremities – 1000 BCE and 7th to 9th centuries CE.
    2. The existence of “Tamil Sangams” based on the internal evidences of the literature and “Iraiyanar Agapporul” is accepted by one group of scholars and denied by the other.
    3. Megalithic culture related to Tamil culture – According to Asko Parpola the Dravidian languages came to India from the west through Iran about 700 BCE with the carriers of the Megalithic culture. He repeats that “one of the most widely supported hypotheses” was the one that was proposed in 1953 by Christoph von Furer-Haimendrof3
    4. Such Megalithic culture distributed all over South India including Tamilnadu and which persisted well into the first centuries of the Christian era.
    5. The last phase of the Megalithic culture (c.300-100 BCE) does overlap the period of Old Tamil Culture (c.100 BCE – 600 CE), which in its militaristic idealization of warfare (including such elements as the horse and iron weapons) closely resembles the martial character of the Megalithic culture (in which weapons were regular grave goods).
    6. Megalithic invasion of Tamizhagam – Asko Parpola4 also talks about a “Megalithic invasion” of Tamizhagam. To bring the “invading Dravidians” from Iran like “Aryans”, he proposes another hypothesis that the Dravidians could not have arrived in India as late as the Megalithic culture is clear from the fact that there is evidence in the Vedic texts for the presence of Dravidian languages in the Punjab already in the second millennium BCE.
    7. Thus, the Tamil language could have developed only after 500-300 BCE, and could have been written down after 300 BCE, so that the literature evolved had been upto 1st century to 7tth cent.CE.

    Therefore, the dating of Sangam literature should be decisive one in connecting it with Mahabharat incidences. The extensive usage of Mahabharat incidences as simile, metaphor and comparison in the literature clearly proves that it has reached South India definitely before or during 500-300 BCE. Otherwise, the Sangam Poets could not have adopted to use in such a manner…

    The references about and of Mahabharat in the Sangam literature have been of the following nature:

    1. Connecting the Tamil Kings of Tamizhagam with Mahabharata.
    2. Direct references to Mahabharata.
    3. Indirect references to Mahabharata.
    4. Other references of simile types.

    The usage of Mahabharata, characters, episodes etc., prove that the Sangam Poets had been well aware of the work during the material period. Though, the Great War was fought in the North separated by thousands of kilometres, its percolation to South down and its recording in the Tamil literature has been unique. Unless, there had been some relation between the Tamils and Mahabharata, the Poets could not have registered its presence positively in their poems.

    The Contemproneity of Cheraman Peruncheraladhan

    Muranjiyur Naganar, while singing the praise of Cheraman Peruncheraladhan, records that he offered food without any limit to the fighting armies of The Five and The Hundred (this is the usual expression used) implying Pandavas and the Kauravas, till the latter fell down dying (Puram.2.13-16). The following questions arise in the context10:

    1. Whether the reference is historical or mere poetic exaggeration to eulogize the King to get Gifts.
    2. Whether, the food was offered at the Site or he made any arrangements, if so in what way?
    3. Why no cross-reference is found in the Mahabharata itself, had a Chera King did such a service?

    In any case, the Poet knew the following facts:

    1. The Pandavas were refused their land, which was due to them.
    2. They got angry because of this and decided to fight.
    3. They fought with Kauravas.
    4. The Kauravas fell dying in the battlefield.
    5. As the Chera, Cholas and Pandyas have been mentioned in the text of Mahabharata giving their details of participation in Rajasuya, the Great war etc.
    6. Thus, in historical perspective, a Chera King might have participated in the War and he might have been given the charge of feeding the army, which the poet describes in his own way.

    The Relation of Velir with “Tuvarai” and Krishna

    Kapilar records certain details about Irngovel (Puram.201:8-12), which are to be scrutinized critically:

    1. Irungovel was born from a Yagna Pit (Tadavu) of a Rishi living in the North.
    2. He ruled a city named “Tuvarai”, which had walls made of Copper like material.
    3. He used to give alms without any discrimination.
    4. He descended from the “Velir dynasty”, which had in existence for 49 generations before him.

    The following points are noted after critical observation:

    1. If we take 15/20/25 years as the reign of each generation, then the Velir must have been ruling since 500 +735 / 500+980 / 500+1225 or since 1235 / 1480 / 1725 BCE. Incidentally, which tallies with the “Tramiradesa Sanngatham” that threatened the territories of Kharavela as recorded in the Kharavela / Hathigumpa inscription.
    2. Surprisingly, the Kharavela’s inscription records that he defeated a confederacy of Dravidian Kings, which was threatening his territorial integrity. And that confederacy was 1300 years old during his reign.
    3. Interestingly, scholars have hitherto been mentioning that it was 103, 113, 130 or 300 years old, but, actually, the inscription reads that it was 1300 old.
    4. If we consider that “Tuvarai”11 was a famous town in Mysore as revealed through inscriptions existing in 12th century CE, then, the reign of first generation comes to 1st cent.BCE / 3rd cent.CE /4th cent.CE, which contradicts the Sangam chronology.
    5. If we place the first dynasty at par with Mahabharata period, then, each dynasty must have ruled for nearly 40 years (3102-1000=2102/49=42 years), which may not be accepted by the modern scholars.

    Thus, the 1700-1400 BCE period appears to be reasonable. Then, the Chera King might not be offering food to the soldiers of the Great War as claimed by the Poet, if c.3100 BCE is taken as the date of Mahabharat War and he might have done so.

     

     

    Citation.

    Michel Danino, Voice of Dharma

     

    Maha Sangam Hindu Website

     

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  • EVRs Unanswerable Religion Questions Answered

    It always amuses me to hear the arrogance and stupidity displayed by the self-styled rationalists of Tamil Nadu, led by E.V.Ramaswamy Naicker, nick named as Periyar,the learned One!

    Yes, among idiots,, one cane can look Learned.

    I saw a Video in Periyar TV, the self-styled Rationalist TV,, of Suba.Veerapandian, who makes a living out of Tamil,Brahmin baiting, and insulting Hinduism.

    Heroes while attacking Hinduism, these people become coy while talking about Christianity or Islam.

    Now the unanswerable questions,according to EVR by all Religions.

    1.Do Animals,Birds,Animals, Plants, all have Soul?

    The answer is YES.

    2.If the Soul survives after Death and the Body is destroyed how come there is an increase in Population?

    The answer is.

    a) We do not know the Population of All the Living Beings.

    We are aware of only human Population.

    Hence we do not know the exact population in the Universe.

    Once we know we can check on this.

    And this body is made up of five elements and is really not destroyed in the sense that they are returned to their original state, like earth etc.

    And the appearance of things are due to different configuration of innumerable Atoms combining together in innumerable combinations.

    The atoms part is confirmed by Science.

    This leads to an interesting concept of Infinity of Atoms and their existence.

    This is being looked into by Quantum Theory and Physicists are accepting this approach

    Another aspect is that Things are not what they seem.

    Things  per se are different from what they appear to be.

    They are all appearances, an Illusion,

    This is now confirmed by Quantum Theory.

    For more on this subject please read my post on Multi verses Physicists Meet Adi Sankara‘

    If  you look for answers honestly you shall get them.

    But,of course, it needs sincerity and Intelligence.

    These questions were raised by the Charuvakas during Lord Ram‘s time and were unanswered.

    I would like to quote Kanandasan’s Line.

    ‘Sonna Vaaarhayum Irvalthaanathu’-For these people even questions are borrowed from the others!

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  • Dravidian Parties Self Respect Movement A Fraud

    A whole generation lost its connect with the rest of India and overnight Tamil Nadu gained a name as a State populated by zealots, who hate Hindi, North Indians ,atheists, of loose morals, hooligans ,Hyperbole, intolerant of other Cultures and languages, Brahmin haters and baiters and shamelessly corrupt.

    How has this has befallen a Sate that had Great Tamil Kings, who built ageless Temples, very religious, followed the Sanatana Dharma. generous, had a rollicking relations with the rest of the world, not to speak of the North.

    cartoon Depicts Anti Hindi agitation
    Cartoon On Hindi
    Source The Hindu

    They interacted with the north very closely from the Vedic Times and the Tamil Kings were present in the Swayamvars of Sita,Damayanti,and Draupadi.

    They participated in the Mahabharata War and one king had the honour of feeding both the Pandava and Kaurava Armies.

    Arjuna married a Pandya Princess.

    DMK funder and the follower.
    Dravidian Leaders?

    The Tamil literature enriched Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism.

    And the savants of these great Religions enriched Tamil by composing exquisite Poems of high standards.

    Tamil is believed to be personified in Lord Subramanya and Lord Siva is believed to have  presided over the First Tamil Meet of Poets in old Madurai.

    The Bhakti literature forms an essential part of Tamil .

    Take them away, you are left with a shell of a language.

    We had great contemporary personalities like Rajaji,Kamaraj, C.Subramanian, Alladi Krishnaswamy Iyer,Salem Vijayaraghavachariar,poet Subramania Bharathy.

    Brahmins contributed a lot to Tamil as a language and culture.

    If it was Agasthya, Tokappiyar and Nakkeran of the Sangam Age who enriched tamil, you had one U.Ve.Saminatha Iyer who hunted down the earliest tamil manuscripts, without which ancient Tamil Classical literature would not have seen the light of the Day.

    Rest of India used to be inspired by Tamil Nadu.

    Gandhi gave up wearing formal dress and started wearing his later attire of a cloth rolled around him in from Madurai where he was moved by the sight of a  a poor farmer not possessing even  a Dhoti.

    Swami Vivekananda meditated in Kanyakumari before embarking on to USA to address the gathering in Chicago on World religions.

    Rajaji was one man whom Gandhiji dreaded and respected him the, most and called him as  ‘My’ Conscience’

    Now what do we have?

    A family of corrupt and loose morals, looting Public Money to the tune of lakhs of crores in 2 G and other scams,begging for a seat in the cabinet for daughter and nephew in a tottering old age in a wheel chair.

    Ridiculing Hindus and their Customs, dropping the shawl before a temple before leaving home and picking it up as a mark of respect to the Deity near the home, conducting Poojas at Home.

    Celebrating dead people’s birth days, while ridiculing Krishna Jayanthi and Rama Navami,

    Praying in front of Samadhis on every occasion, declaring often Annadurai, MGR came in my dreams last night,

    Attacking Brahmins, surrounded by Brahmin Personal Physicians, Surgeons,Lawyers and CAs.

    Declaring that the North is thriving and the South is being deprived, separate Tamil Nadu is the solution and that they would die rather than giving up the demand for a separate Tamil Nadu, now they have come a full Circle.

    For the benefit of an entire generation , the youth and the Non Tamils I will be posting articles on this Myth of Tamilian, Dravidian, Aryan Brahmin Domination and the much touted Self Respect Movement,EVR , Annadurai,Karunanidhi with facts, especially from their lives , their works and contemporary records.

    I shall present facts, the reasons for the rise of this menace, the atrocities committed by this group , their double dealings, mostly from their own sources.

    These people know how to manipulate Media and only through this they came to power and to-day retain a conglomerate of  Television Channels in all South Indian Languages,(Look at their Tamil Love) naming them in the Chaste language of the State.

    Time people knew their History, nay their background and skullduggery.

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  • Dravidian Movement Centenary-Inaccurate and Inappropriate.

    The DMK is planning Dravidian Movement Centenaryfrom 27 February 2012.

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    திருப்பதி, தேவிகுளம், பீர்மேடு, காவிரி வழித்தடங்கள் என, திராவிட இயக்கங்களால் ஏற்பட்ட இழப்புகளை ஈடு செய்யவே முடியாத நிலையில், மீண்டும் திராவிடன் என்ற போர்வையில் நூற்றாண்டு விழா தேவையா என, தமிழர்கள் மத்தியில் கடும் எதிர்ப்பு எழுந்துள்ளது.

    இன்று முதல், திராவிட இயக்க நூற்றாண்டு விழா துவங்குகிறது எனக் கூறி, அன்று சென்னையில், கருணாநிதி தலைமையில், கட்சி அலுவலகத்தில் விழா எடுப்பதாக தி.மு.க., அறிவித்துள்ளது. இதற்கு, பல்வேறு தமிழர் அமைப்புகளில் இருந்தும் கடும் எதிர்ப்பு எழுந்துள்ளது.

    பிரிவினையை ஏற்றது ஏன்?
    அவர்கள் எழுப்பும் கேள்விகள் இவை தான்:தெலுங்கு, தமிழ், கன்னடம், மலையாளம், துளு ஆகிய மொழிகள் எல்லாம் திராவிட மொழிகள்; அம்மொழி பேசும் மக்கள் திராவிட மக்கள் என்றால், தென்னகத்தில், மொழி வாரி மாநிலங்கள் பிரிவினையை ஏற்றது ஏன்?அப்படி பிரித்தது, மற்ற மொழி பேசும் மக்களின் விருப்பம் என்றால், தெலுங்கு நாடு, கன்னட நாடு, மலையாள நாடு என, மற்ற மாநிலங்கள் பெயர் சூடிக் கொள்ளாத நிலையில், மிச்சமிருந்த சென்னை மாகாணத்துக்கு திராவிட நாடு எனப் பெயர் சூட்டாமல், தமிழ்நாடு என, தி.மு.க., பெயர் சூட்டியது ஏன்? அப்படி என்றால், தமிழக மக்கள், திராவிடர்கள் என்ற தங்கள் கொள்கையை, தி.மு.க.,வே ஏற்கவில்லை என்று தானே பொருள்.

    அடைமொழி எதற்கு?
    தமிழகத்தைப் போல், ஆந்திராவிலோ, கர்நாடகத்திலோ, கேரளாவிலோ திராவிடம் என்ற பெயரால், இயக்கங்கள் தலையெடுக்காத நிலையில், யாரும் தங்களை திராவிடர்கள் எனக் கூறிக் கொள்ளாத நிலையில், தி.க.,வின் வழி வந்த கட்சிகள் மட்டும் இன்னும், திராவிடர் எனும் அடைமொழியை தூக்கி சுமப்பது ஏன்?திராவிடர் என்ற சொல்லை இன்னும் ஒரு சிலர் தாங்கிப் பிடிக்க காரணம் என்னவென்று ஆராய்ந்தால், அதற்கு, பா.ம.க., நிறுவனர் ராமதாஸ் ஏற்கனவே கூறிய உதாரணம் பெருமளவு பொருந்துகிறது. “தமிழகத்தில் ஒரு சில பச்சைத் தமிழர்கள் மட்டுமே முதல்வராக இருந்துள்ளனர். கருணாநிதி வம்சாவளியினர் ஆந்திராவை பூர்வீகமாகக் கொண்டவர்கள். முதல்வர் ஜெயலலிதா மைசூரில் பிறந்த தமிழர். வைகோ, விஜயகாந்த் இருவரும் தெலுங்கை தாய் மொழியாகக் கொண்டவர்கள். எம்.ஜி.ஆர்., கண்டியில் பிறந்த மலையாள மொழி பேசுபவர்’ என்ற அவரது கூற்றை ஏற்க வேண்டியுள்ளது.”

    http://www.dinamalar.com/News_detail.asp?Id=414245

    The seeds of the Dravidian movement was not even thought of in 1911/12.

    The earliest inkling was in 1914, when Natesa Mudaliar established a Hostel for non-Brahmin students.

    Ref.Encyclopaedia of Dalits in India by Sanjay Paswan.Google Books.

    Later this developed into the Self-Respect Movement,Justice part,DK , DMK etc.

    http://books.google.co.in/books?id=wWDnTWrz4O8C&pg=PA202&dq=dravidian+movement+principles&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5_1KT6bkOoesrAezqJS8Aw&sqi=2&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=dravidian%20movement%20principles&f=false

    Hence, celebrating the Dravidian Centenary in 2012 is sheer non sense.

    Of course, this is not new to Karunanidhi who celebrates Anna’s birth day on a different Date  at ‘Arivaalayam’ !

    The core tenets of Dravidian Movements are.

    Anti Brahminism.

    Anti Sanskrit.

    Anti North .

    Pan SouthIndia.

    Self respect!?

    Of the lot Anti Brahminism alone survives in the mind of Karunanidhi,Veera mani and their sycophants; that too this comes to the fore when Karunanidhi loses elections and when he wants to curry favour with Muslims and Christians  during Ramzan and Christmas. 

    The very concept of Dravidian Movement is a fraud to capture power by flotsam and jetsam of Society under the guise of Social Reformation and Self-Respect( as if none else has it than the protagonists!)

    ‘Dravida’ comes from the Sanskrit root ‘Dravid’ meaning South.

    It denotes people living south of the Vindhyas.

    It is a Geographical indicator and an indication of Race as these fraudsters make it to be.

    The reference may be found in the Vedas and as late as Adi Sankara who says ,to refer to Gnana Sambandar, ‘Dravida Sisu’-Soundarya Lahari.

    This Dravidians are to encompass the Tamils,Telugus,Kannadigas and Malayalis.

    None of these people subscribed to this idea and Tamil Nadu stood alone(not Tamil Nadu but these charlatans whom pose as the protectors of Tamil.

    Does it not sound funny that the leading luminaries of the so called movement were Telugus.Malayalis and Kannadigas (Pitti Theagaraya Chetty,T.M.Nair) after whom T.Nagar in Chennai is named and is till called as such,Nair Road is also in T.Nagar)?

    ‘Thanthai’ Periyar( E.V.Ramasamy Naicker is a Kannadiga who called Tamil as ‘the language of the barbarians’

    Karunanidhi’s ancestors can be traced to Andhra as also Annadurai’s.

     I had the privilege of being acquainted with late Mr.Parimalam, the adopted son of late C.N.Annadurai and he has told me that his ancestry can be traced to Andhra!

    MGR was of Kerala origin.

    Where is Dravidianism in this?

    To day Brahmins are where they were,going about their work hurting none , not demanding resevations.

    ( It is true that there were exceptions in the treatment meted out to non- Brahmins in Thanjavur belt which is more of a clash between the land lords and the workers and these land Lords were Brahmins and the Brahmin Community is ashamed of them).

    Self Respect?

    You know what they are left with-going to jail for scams,bigamy, murder cases against them,ridicules all around the Country on The Family!

    Other than these aberration,Brahmins have contributed to Tamil and Tamil Culture.

    It will need a separate blog.

    One might refer to ‘Arunthondu Aatriya Andhanargal’

    Anti Sanskrit has no steam as the protagonists do not believe in this.

    Look at their names..Rama Samy Naicker,Karunanidhi!

    Anti North.

    Dont make one laugh.

    Day in and day out you can see these Leaders prostrating at the feet of Noth Indian, be it Sonia Gandhi or Vajpayee.

    Karunaidhi will wait in wheel chair for hours to have a darshan of of Sonia Gandhi.

    These leaders gave up the call for separate Tamil Nadu once they came to know that the Central Government was planning to ban the DMK for Secessionist Activities. 

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-Respect_Movement

    I re4call this MGR song ‘Ethaniai Kaalamthaan eemaatruvaar indha Naatile”

    (how long will these people go on cheating people?)

     

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