Tag: Conversion

  • Christ In Rig Veda  Devatarchana Mantra? Nonsense

    Christ In Rig Veda Devatarchana Mantra? Nonsense

    It is one thing to believe in one religion and inform others of its greatness to others by quoting personal experience and authentic sources from the religious text.

    It is reprehensible to quote other religious texts as your own, without any evidence,and /or based on fraudulent translation of texts.All this ,to increase the number of followers!

    Thus we have Christians claiming that Christ was foretold in the Vedas of the Hindus;Churches designed as Temples,That Christ had been to Kashmir,learnt Yoga and his Tomb is in Kashmir!

    I had rebutted all this point by point with evidence.What shocked me today, on Christmas of 2020,an advertisement in the Deccan herald by a Christian missionary group, quoting Rig Vedic Devatharchana,as having been foretold Christ and Christianity.

    The said Slokas, I am reproducing below.And I am providing the correct meaning in English from Sanskrit.

    Instead of trying to propagate Christianity,thus, one can…….?!

    yaanikaanicha paapaani janmaanthara kruthanicha

    thaavithaani pranashyanthi pradakshina pade pade
    (This mantra is Atma pradakshina in Rig Veda,occuring in Devatharchana,that is praying to Deities.

    yani kani ca- whatever; papani- sins; janmantara- all my lives; krtani cacommitted; tani tani- those; vinashyanti- destroy; pradakshina- circumambulation; pade pade- with every step

    Meaning:

    O Bhagawan! Whatever sins I have committed all my lives (including previous lives), please destroy them at every step I take around you https://templesinindiainfo.com/pradakshina-prayer-for-a-happy-living-lyrics-in-sanskrit-with-meaning/

    paapoham paapakarmaaham paapaathmaa paapasambhavam

    thraahimaam krupayaa deva sharanaagatha-vathsala

    anyadha sharanam naasthi thvameva sharanam mama

    thasmaathkaarunabhaavena raksha rakha maheshvara (or janardhana, or any deity name) https://www.hinduwebsite.com/prayers/alaya-pradakshina-sthothram.asp

    Translation.

    Paapoham Paapa karmaanam paapatma paapa sambavahaTraahimaam kripaya deva sharanagadha vatsala (+Anyatha)
    I am a sinner  , I do sinful cts  , I am sinful soul, I am born of sin,Oh God mercifully   pardon   all this, Oh Lord who likes those   who surrender to you.

    http://stotrarathna.blogspot.com/2020/03/kids-sloka-book-with-english-translation.html?m=1

    Translation by Siculars, Evangelists.

    Realising the agony of man’s soul, our ancestors taught us to pray as:
    “Paapoham, paapa karmaham, papaathmaa, paapa sambhavaa, thraahimaam Kripayaa Devaa ! saranaagatha vathsalaha, anyadhaa saranam naasthihi, thwameva saranam mamahaa “
    Meaning : O compassionate GOD! have mercy on me for I am born in sin and live in sin. I have no refuge except you for my redemption.

    The Vedas, dated nearly 3000 years back, declare that man can not save himself from spiritual death and God will incarnate Himself to save us. Man, being fully aware of his soul’s pathetic (sinful) state, is trying to please GOD through various oaths, gifts etc. In our country Brahmins perform yajnas and commoners offer sacrifices intending to please GOD and get salvation from eternal death. http://abednegoinjeti.blogspot.com/2008/08/bible-and-vedas.html?m=1

    Look at the clever translation.Apoears harmless,It isn’t.Hinduism does believe in the concept that Soul is Sinful. It says it is Sath Chit and Anandam Being, Consciousness and Bliss. It is not tainted by acts performed by this body. Recall kayena vacha,which states that all actions performed by My body,word, mind and deeds is because of my disposition. Therefore I dedicate all to the Reality as Narayana.

    I shall rebut the attempts by Christianity to gain legitimacy by quoting Sanatan Dharma.

  • Bamonn Brahmins  Wear Upaveeda Pope Special Order

    Bamonn Brahmins Wear Upaveeda Pope Special Order

    The story of Conversion of Hindus to Christianity is innovative right from the day they entered India.

    They were aware that,to influence Hindus,it is necessary to gain the acceptance of the Brahmins,who are revered in Hinduism.

    So they targeted Brahmins.

    This method of Conversion was not limited to Britishers.

    The Dutch and Portugese who were in India were equally adept.

    The Portugese converted Gouda Saraswat Brahmins in Goa and Konkan area.

    How far the Christians could go may be witnessed by the fact the Pope,by special dispensation allowed these converted Brahmins to continue wearing the Upaveeda,Yagnyopaveeda!

    There is a view that Saint Thomas landed in Kerala and was the first one to spread Christianity in India.

    This is misinformation.

    He did not visit India.

    The Brahmins who were converted to Christianity in Kerala were called Syrian Christians.

    They are an Endogenous group.

    As a rule they consider themselves to be superior to other Christian denominations and do not intermarry with the other sects.

    Those Saraswat Brahmins who were thus converted are called Bayonne.

    These converted Brahmins were allowed to wear the Upaveeda by a special dispensation by the Pope.

    The Roman Catholic Brahmin, also referred to as Bamonn (Devanagari: बामण, Kannada: ಬಾಮಣು; IAST: Bāmaṇ; pronounced /baməɳ ~ bamɔɳ/) in Konkani, is a caste among the Goan and Mangalorean Catholics,of modern-day descendants of Konkani Brahmin, predominantly Goud Saraswat Brahmin converts to Roman Catholicism.

    In Goa, the Brahmins were originally engaged in the priestly occupation, but had taken up various occupations like agriculture, trade, goldsmithy, etc.The origins of this particular caste can be traced back to the Christianisation of the Velhas Conquistas(Portuguese: Old Conquests) that was undertaken by the Portuguese during the 16th and 17th centuries. It was during this period that the Jesuit, Franciscan and Dominicanmissionaries converted many Brahmins to Christianity.The first mass conversions took place among the Brahmins of Divar, and the Kshatriyas of Carambolim.In his Oriente conquistado a Jesu Christo pelos padres da Companhia de Jesus da Provincia de Goa(1710), Portuguese Jesuit priest, Fr. Francisco de Sousa gives an account of the mass conversions of Brahmins in Divar:

    All converts from Brahmin sub-castes such as the Goud Saraswat Brahmins, Padyes, Daivadnyas, etc., were lumped into the Christian caste of Bamonn. Since the conversions of Brahmins of a particular area became instrumental in the conversions of members of other castes, such converts were highly valued and esteemed by the church and Portuguese authorities alike. They were even allowed to wear the Yajnopavita (sacred thread) and other caste markings by special dispensation of Pope Gregory XV in 1623, on the condition that these were blessed by a Catholic priest.Historian Charles Ralph Boxer observed:

    ..

    “The converted Brahmenes retained their pride of caste and race, and they very seldom intermarried with the Portuguese and never with their Indian social inferiors. Similarly, the lower castes who became Christians did not lose their ingrained respect for the Brahmenes, and they continued to venerate the latter as if they were still their ‘twice-born’ (dvija) and natural superiors.”

    The Bamonns in general, consider their caste system to be an Indian class form of social categorisation.Since their concept is divorced from all the religious elements associated to it by their Hindu counterparts, they tend to justify their maintenance of caste as a form of social stratification similar to the Western class concept. Traditionally, they are an endogamous group and have refrained from inter-marriage with Catholics of other castes. However, while the Bamonnsnever inter-married or mingled with the low caste Sudirs (Konkani: Shudras), Mahars, and Chamars, the statutes and norms of the Roman Catholic church restrained them from discriminating against the latter

    Source.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Brahmin