Tag: Reservation Policy

  • Ambedkar Untouchability Meat Beef Eating

    Having failed to find a common factor to define Untouchables and how to expalin the phenomena of the down trodden and the ostracized( I will deal with Ostracism when I discuss how the so-called Caste system and intermarriages, Taboos and criminality), the apologists tried to locate a factor.

    They found,nay seemingly found, what they were searching for..

    Meat eating and Beef eating,!

    Ambedkar, who is reputed to have written the Constitutions of India single handedly- forget about the  facts below,

    “On the 14 August 1947 meeting of the Assembly, a proposal for forming various committees was presented.[9] Such committees included a Committee on Fundamental Rights, the Union Powers Committee and Union Constitution Committee. On 29 August 1947, the Drafting Committee was appointed, with Dr B. R. Ambedkar as the Chairman along with six other members assisted by a constitutional advisor. These members were Pandit Govind Ballabh Pant Kanaiyalal Maneklal Munshi (K M Munshi, Ex- Home Minister, Bombay), Alladi Krishnaswamy Iyer (Ex- Advocate General, Madras State),N Gopalaswami Ayengar (Ex-Prime Minister, J&K and later member of Nehru Cabinet), B L Mitter (Ex-Advocate General, India), Md. Saadullah (Ex- Chief Minister of Assam, Muslim League member) and D P Khaitan (Scion of Khaitan Business family and a renowned lawyer). The constitutional advisor was Sir Benegal Narsing Rau (who became First Indian Judge in International Court of Justice, 1950–54). Later B L Mitter resigned and was replaced by Madhav Rao (Legal Advisor of Maharaja of Vadodara). Owing to death of D P Khaitan, T T Krishnamachari was chosen to be included in the drafting committee. A Draft Constitution was prepared by the committee and submitted to the Assembly on 4 November 1947. Draft constitution was debated and over 2000 amendments were moved over a period of two years. Finally on 26 Nov. 1949, the process was completed and Constituent assembly adopted the constitution. 284 members signed the document and the process of constitution making was complete'(wiki)

    Ambedkar Writings and Speeches.
    What is the cause of the nausea which the Hindus have against beef-eating? Were the Hindus always opposed to beef-eating? If not, why did they develop such nausea against it? Were the Untouchables given to beef-eating from the very start? Why did they not give up beef-eating when it was abandoned by the Hindus? Were the Untouchables always Untouchables? Why should beef-eating give rise to Untouchability at a later stage? If the Hindus were eating beef, when did they give it up? These questions impinge on our understanding of the Jhajjar killings. Ambedkar sought some answers in 1948.

    had hunted texts to find Meat eating/Beef eating as the criteria and his findings are as under…

    “In the first place, we have the fact that the Untouchables or the main communities which compose them eat the dead cow and those who eat the dead cow are tainted with untouchability and no others..”

    There is really no necessity to enter upon any speculation as to whether beef-eating was or was not the principal reason for the rise of Untouchability. This new theory receives support from the Hindu Shastras. The Veda Vyas Smriti contains the following verse which specifies the communities which are included in the category of Antyajas and the reasons why they were so included

    L.12-13 “The Charmakars (Cobbler), the Bhatta (Soldier), the Bhilla, the Rajaka (washerman), the Puskara, the Nata (actor), the Vrata, the Meda, the Chandala, the Dasa, the Svapaka, and the Kolika- these are known as Antyajas as well as others who eat cow’s flesh.”

    This statement is correct but does not prove that untouchability originated because of this- a wrong conclusion.

    Eating of Cow meat and beef eating is mentioned in the Rig Veda .

    Eating Cow’s Meat is prohibited in the Rig Veda,

    There is really no necessity to enter upon any speculation as to whether beef-eating was or was not the principal reason for the rise of Untouchability. This new theory receives support from the Hindu Shastras. The Veda Vyas Smriti contains the following verse which specifies the communities which are included in the category of Antyajas and the reasons why they were so included

    L.12-13 “The Charmakars (Cobbler), the Bhatta (Soldier), the Bhilla, the Rajaka (washerman), the Puskara, the Nata (actor), the Vrata, the Meda, the Chandala, the Dasa, the Svapaka, and the Kolika- these are known as Antyajas as well as others who eat cow’s flesh.”

    But Satapatha Brahmana  says otherwise..

    To give only one instance. Among the Kamyashtis set forth in the Taittiriya Bramhana, not only the sacrifice of oxen and cows are laid down, but we are even told what kind and description of oxen and cows are to be offered to what deities. Thus, a dwarf ox is to be chosen for sacrifice to Vishnu; a drooping horned bull with a blaze on the forehead to Indra as the destroyer of Vritra; a black cow to Pushan; a red cow to Rudra; and so on. The Taittiriya Bramhana notes another sacrifice called Panchasaradiya-seva, the most important element of which was the immolation of seventeen five-year old humpless, dwraf-bulls, and as many dwarf heifers under three year-old.….

    …The killing of cow for the guest had grown to such an extent that the guest came to be called ‘Go-ghna’ which means the killer of the cow. To avoid this slaughter of the cows the Ashvateyana Grahya Sutra (1.24.25) suggests that the cow should be let loose when the guest comes so as to escape the rule of etiquette….

    There fore, the eating of Cow’s meat and prohibition against eating,  both were in place.

    Hence there seems to have been no reason for both the groups to practice untouchability as both had their adherents already and there was no need to classify on group anew as such.

    Notwithstanding this Logic, Ambedkar goes on to build a case as to why Brahmins gave up eating meat, how Kshatriyas followed suit.

    Another hilarious fact is that  Brahmins gave up meat-eating because they watned to regain Supremacy from the Buddha Bhiksus”

    ‘That the object of the Brahmins in giving up beef-eating was to snatch away from the Buddhist Bhikshus the supremacy they had acquired is evidenced by the adoption of vegetarianism by Brahmins. Why did the Brahmins become vegetarian? The answer is that without becoming vegetarian the Brahmins could not have recovered the ground they had lost to their rival namely Buddhism. In this connection it must be remembered that there was one aspect in which Brahmanism suffered in public esteem as compared to Buddhism. That was the practice of animal sacrifice which was the essence of Brahmanism and to which Buddhism was deadly opposed. That in an agricultural population there should be respect for Buddhism and revulsion against Brahmanism which involved slaughter of animals including cows and bullocks is only natural. What could the Brahmins do to recover the lost ground? To go one better than the Buddhist Bhikshus not only to give up meat-eating but to become vegetarians- which they did. That this was the object of the Brahmins in becoming vegetarians can be proved in various ways.”

    Ambedkar got the facts wrong.

    When was Buddhism Founded and who was Siddhartha?

    The Kshtriya Prince was later known as The Buddha, having renounced his family, Kingdom and attaining Nirvana.

    I believe this was later to Krishna, let alone Vyasa, Rama and the Vedas

    Lord Rama, being a Kshatriya ate Meat,

    In the Sundara Kanda, the 36th sarga, the 41st sloka describes how Hanuman tells Sita, ” When you were away, Sri Rama refrained from eating deer meat.”


    If a man wishes that a son should be born to him who will be a famous scholar, frequenting assemblies and speaking delightful words, a student of all the Vedas and an enjoyer of the full term of life, he should have rice cooked with the meat of a young bull or of one more advanced in years and he and his wife should eat it with clarified butter. Then they should be able to beget such a son. -Brhadaranyaka Upanishad 6.4.18″

    Surely God is above a Brahmin?

    Sage Agasthya ate not only meat but even digested Vatapi , an Asura and exclaimed ‘Vatapi, Jeerno Bhava”

    Vasishta ate meat and in fact Saptha Rishis from Kasyapa ate Meat.

    They were not ostracized, they are worshiped.

    Meat eating by humans has been in existence and none can deny the fact.

    But those who are wanted to evolve spiritually or the Spiritually  evolved, found that Meat eating is a hindrance to self-realization in terms of disturbing concentration and Dispositions.

    So, they gave up and propagated the idea of shunning Meat and especially Cow; Meat as they used Cow’s products for their livelihood.

    In fact the Chamaka Prasna specifically prays Lord Rudra for Cows!

    So they gave up meat-eating and beef eating later.

    The argument that Caste/Untouchability sprang from Meat”Beef eating is erroneous.

    How did it come into being then?

    Sources.

    http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?217660

    http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/spiritual-discussions/28150-did-rama-eat-meat.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_India#Drafting

     

     

    * The Excerpts are from The Book

    VOLUME 7 OF DR. BABASAHEB AMBEDKAR WRITINGS AND SPEECHES
    BY
    B.R. AMBEDKAR

    GOVERNMENT OF MAHARASHTRA

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  • Untouchability Reservations Gandhi’s Muddle

    While there has been confusion reigning in on the subject of social divisions,Gandhi, in his own  self-styled avatar of one who can and should comment and contribute to any or all social and religious issues,whether it makes sense or not, muddled the waters by calling a group as ‘Harijans‘.

    Harijan (Hindustani: हरिजन (Devanagari), ہریجن (Nastaleeq)translation: “child of God”) was a term used by Mohandas Gandhi for Dalits. Gandhi said it was wrong to call people “untouchable”, and called them Harijans, which means children of God. It is still in wide use especially in Gandhi’s home state ofGujarat.(wiki)

    As things stood they were confusing; Gandhi added to it by giving a new name Harijan, Child of God as if there were not enough names!

    What exactly happened is that people increased their vocabulary for a non-existent class.

    So the terms that are used denote specifically anything and has become a tool in the hands of Politicians to garner votes.

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    Child of Hari(Vishnu) -God.

    There is also a confusion about the terms Untouchability ,Reservations and SC ST..

    These Terms are used sa if they are  interchangeable.

    We have seen , to an extent what Untouchability is or is not.

    More points on this to follow. on this later,

    What is Reservation?

    Reservation in India is a form of affirmative action designed to improve the well-being of backward and under-represented communities defined primarily by their ‘caste‘ (quota-system based on ‘gender‘ or ‘religion‘). These are laws (both Constitutional and statutory) or merely local rules/regulations/practices (not derived from any Act passed by the Parliament or State-Legislature) wherein a certain percentage of total available vacancies in educational institutes and government jobs are set aside for people from backward communities and others.Scheduled Castes (SC), Scheduled Tribes (ST) and Other Backward Classes (OBC) are the primary beneficiaries of the reservation policies under the Constitution — with the object of ensuring a level playing field.(wiki)

    That is on a Non existent concept the whole system was devised.

    There is no clear concept of the yard stick to apply to determine which constitute a SC .

    As a result whoever can gather muscle strength and crowd can demand inclusion in the Reservation quota.

    An depending on the exigencies of  Political climate the parties as VP Singh did by The Mandal Commission.

    If there has been a genuine concern for the downtrodden, the yard stick of Economic status would have been fixed.

    That was not to be, because Politicians would never have had a chance to polarize the polity to garner Votes if they had fixed economic criteria as the factor for extending benefits.

    In Life there is no equalizer greater than Money.

    If you are rich or occupy an important position, people flock to you, no body cares about your roots.

    This Law is applicable everywhere.

    Prime example are  those who have become rich or have come to occupy important posts or both after having come up through reservation Quota.

    I  Have heard of them speak derisively of people who hail from their own community !

    Had Economic status been the criteria, there would have been no confusion in determining who is to be classified as ST.Now after 60 years those who are poor remain poor continue to be so and suffer social ostracism because of this.

    Their brethren who had been fortunate in climbing up do not even consider the for marriage Alliances.

    ST SC are names designated  to earmark certain groups to get the benefit of the Reservation Policy.

    Let not people misuse these or interchange the terms.

    Now having muddled up this far, let’s see how Ambedkar raised passions further by inventing reasons or the yard stick for determining Caste.

    More to Follow.

    Quotes are from wiki.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reservation_in_India

    Note that this is not a definition, but a description being used currently after the acquisition of India by the British.

    Till the Mogul period the usage was Sudra, denoting a group of people engaged in Physical work, with certain Dispositions.tendencies.

    It was a tag used to denote this group and was often used colloquially to indicate one of uncouth practices, nothing more as is when we say’ he works like a Donkey’

    The meaning varies ‘ depending on the context.

    It may denote mindless application in carrying out a task or plain stupidity or to indicate their profession.”

    http://ramanisblog.in/2013/07/09/caste-untouchability-myths/

     

  • Reservation Is Like Condoms Delhi Government

    While arguing before the Constitutions Bench, Delhi, The Union Government of Delhi submitted  that the SC,ST, OBC Candidates  could get seats in Super Specialty Medical Courses only on Merit and after completing it, he/she could revert to their OBC etc status to  to claim appointment, under Reservation Policy, to  the Faculty of All India institute of Medical Sciences.(AIIMS).

    Reservation Policy Protests.
    Students of Government Medical College stage a demonstration against proposed reservation policy in Amritsar on Saturday. — PTI

    These candidates have reached a stage where they had come up the level for qualifying to appear for Medical College.

    Does the present admission not admit they have reached their present stage without being qualified.

    This means you have been promoting below standard people all the while.

    If these people have been given reservations so far, why not now?

    This submission has serious implications, invalidating Reservation system.

    Looks as though the Reservation Policy is like a Condom to be used whenever necessary and be thrown out once it is used.

    The difference is the Reservation Policy is Eternally Usable.

    Source:.The Times of India , Page 8, Bangalore Edition dated 5th July 2013.

    Related:

    Reservation Policy of The Government of India FAQs.

    What is the policy of the Government on reservation for SCs, STs, and OBCs?
    ANSWER : Reservation to the SCs, STs and OBCs in case of direct recruitment on all the India basis by open competition is given at the rate of 15% 7.5% and 27% respectively. In case of direct recruitment on all India basis otherwise than by open competition, reservation for SCs, STs and OBCs is 16.66% 7.5% and 25.84% respectively. In case of direct recruitment to Group C and D posts which normally attract candidates from a locality or a region, percentage of reservation for SCs/STs is generally fixed in proportion to the population of SCs and STs in the respective States/UTs. For OBCs it is fixed keeping in view the proportion of their population in the concerned State/UT and the fact that total reservation for SCs/STs/OBC is remains within the limit for 50% and reservation for OBCs remains within the limit of 27%.

    Reservation in promotion by non-selection method is available to SCs and the STs in all groups of services viz. A, B, C and D at the rate of 15% and 7.5% respectively. In case of promotion by selection method reservation is available upto the lowest rung of Group ‘A’ at the same rates. In promotion by selection method reservation is available upto the lowest rung of Group ‘A’ at the same rates. In promotion by selection of posts within Group ‘A’ which carry an ultimate salary of Rs.18,300/- or less (in pre-revised scale) there is no reservation, but the Scheduled Caste / Scheduled Tribe Officers who are senior enough in the Zone of consideration for promotion so as to be within the number of vacancies for which the select list is to be drawn up, would be included in that list provided they are not considered unfit for promotion.

    http://www.gconnect.in/orders-in-brief/reservation/frequently-asked-questions-on-scstobc-reservation-policy.html