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  • Vedic Roots Of Arabia Arabic Proof 1850 BC!

    I have written articles on the Vedic roots of Saudi Arabia, Shiva Linga in Mecca, 786 is flipped OM of Hinduism, Prophet Mohammed’s Uncle’s Poem, Siva Stuthi.

    Hindu Symbols, Saraswati, Rishi in Arabia.jpg Hindu Symbols, Saraswati, Rishi in Arabia.

    I had also written on the presence of Sapthapathi, Sarasvati , Navagrahas in Arabia , pre dating Muhammad .

    For the last post, I received comment in Facebook asking me not to be foolish about Islam and went on to trace the geneology of Arabia(!?) from the Koran!

    I did not seem it fit to reply to the comment.

    This comment made me research further about the Vedic roots of Arabia.

    Arabia is from the Sanskrit word Asva, Arava meaning Horse and Sthan, Place.

    Arabia is thus the place of Horses.

    Ancient Tamil Literature abounds in reference to Arabia as the land of Horses and all the Ancient Tamil Kings, Chera, Chola and Pandyas imported Horses from Arabia.

     

    The major land route  to Arabia was from the North West of India and the Arabic people drew spiritual inspiration from India.

    ‘The Uttarapath (Northern Highway) was the international highway to the North of India. It was via Uttarapath that Arabia and other Middle Eastern countries drew their spiritual, educational and material sustenance from India.

    Besides, this Sea-links were formed with India at least 800 years before the advent of Islam.

    Basra was the ancient gateway to India because it was at this port that the Arab lands received Indian goods and visitors.

    At that time the spoken language was Sanskrit, which later dwindled into the local variation that we now call Arabic.

    Thousands of words that were derived from Sanskrit still survive in Arabic today.

     

    Sanskrit Arabic English
    Sagwan Saj Teakwood
    Vish Besh Poison
    Anusari Ansari Follower
    Shishya Sheikh Disciple
    Mrityu Mout Death
    Pra-Ga-ambar Paigambar One from heaven
    Maleen Malaun Dirty or soiled
    Aapati Aafat Misfortune
    Karpas Kaifas Cotton
    Karpur Kafur Camphor
    Pramukh Barmak Chief

     

    Even various kinds of swords were referred to as Handuwani, Hindi, Saif-Ul-Hind, Muhannid and Hinduani. The Sanskrit Astronomical treatise Brahma-Sphuta-Siddhanta in Arabic translation is known as Sind-Hind, while another treatise Khanda-Khadyaka was called Arkand. Mathematics itself was calledHindisa .

    The Arabs derived technical guidance in every branch of study such as astronomy, mathematics and physics from India. A noted scholar of history, W.H. Siddiqui notes:

    “The Arab civilization grew up intensively
    as well as extensively on the riches of
    Indian trade and commerce. Nomadic Arab
    tribes became partially settled communities
    and some of them lived within walled towns practised agriculture and commerce, wroteon wood and stone, feared the gods and honored the kings.”

    Some people wrongly believe that Arabs used the word Hindu as a term of contemptuous abuse. Nothing could be further from the truth. The people of pre-Islamic Arabia held Hinduism in great esteem as evidenced from the fact that they would endearingly call their most attractive and favourite daughters as Hinda and Saifi Hindi. The fact that Arabs regarded India as their spiritual and cultural motherland long before the damaging influence of Islam is corroborated by the following poem which mentions each one of the four Vedas by name: (The English translation is in black)

    “Aya muwarekal araj yushaiya noha
    minar HIND-e
    Wa aradakallaha
    manyonaifail jikaratun”
    “Oh the divine land of HIND (India)
    (how) very blessed art thou!
    Because thou art the chosen
    of God blessed with knowledge”
    “Wahalatijali Yatun ainana sahabi
    akha-atun jikra Wahajayhi yonajjalur
    -rasu minal HINDATUN ”
    “That celestial knowledge which like
    four lighthouses shone in such
    brilliance – through the (utterances of)
    Indian sages in fourfold abundance.”
    “Yakuloonallaha ya ahal araf alameen
    kullahum
    Fattabe-u jikaratul VEDA bukkun
    malam yonajjaylatun”
    “God enjoins on all humans,
    follow with hands down
    The path the Vedas with his divine
    precept lay down.”
    “Wahowa alamus SAMA wal YAJUR
    minallahay Tanajeelan
    Fa-e-noma ya akhigo mutiabay-an
    Yobassheriyona jatun”
    “Bursting with (Divine) knowledge
    are SAM &YAJUR bestowed on creation,
    Hence brothers respect and
    follow the Vedas, guides to salvation”
    “Wa-isa nain huma RIG ATHAR nasayhin
    Ka-a-Khuwatun
    Wa asant Ala-udan wabowa masha -e-ratun”
    “Two others, the Rig and Athar teach us
    fraternity, Sheltering under their
    lustre dispels darkness till eternity”

    This poem was written by Labi-Bin-E- Akhtab-Bin-E-Turfa who lived in Arabia around 1850 B.C.

    That was 2300 years before Mohammed!!!

    This verse can be found in Sair- Ul-Okul which is an anthology of ancient Arabic poetry.

    It was compiled in 1742 AD under order of the Turkish Sultan Salim.

    That the Vedas were the religious scriptures to which the Arabs owed allegiance as early as 1800 B.C. proves not only the antiquity of the Vedas but also the existence of Indian rule over the entire region from the Indus to the Mediterranean, because it is a fact of history that the religion of the ruler is practised by his subjects.

    Vedic culture was very much alive just before the birth of Muhammad.

    Again let’s refer to the Sair-Ul-Okul. The following poem was written by JirrhamBintoi who lived 165 years before the prophet Muhammed. It is in praise of India’s great King Vikramaditya who had lived 500 years before Bintoi. (The English translation is in red).

    “Itrasshaphai Santul
    Bikramatul phehalameen Karimun
    Bihillahaya Samiminela
    Motakabbenaran Bihillaha
    Yubee qaid min howa
    Yaphakharu phajgal asari
    nahans Osirim Bayjayholeen
    Yaha sabdunya Kanateph natephi
    bijihalin Atadari Bilala masaurateen
    phakef Tasabahu. Kaunni eja majakaralhada
    walhada Achimiman, burukan, Kad, Toluho
    watastaru Bihillaha yakajibainana
    baleykulle amarena
    Phaheya jaunabil amaray Bikramatoon”

    – (Sair-ul-Okul, Page 315)
    “Fortunate are those who were born
    during King Vikram’s reign, he was
    a noble generous, dutiful ruler devoted
    to the welfare of his subjects. But at
    that time, We Arabs oblivious of divinity
    were lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting
    & torture were rampant. The darkness of
    ignorance had enveloped our country.
    Like the lamb struggling for its life
    in the cruel jaws of a wolf, we Arabs
    were gripped by ignorance. The whole
    country was enveloped in a darkness as
    intense as on a New moon night. But the
    present dawn & pleasant sunshine of
    education is the result of the favor of
    that noble king Vikram whose benevolence
    did not lose sight of us foreigners as we
    were. He spread his sacred culture amongst
    us and sent scholars from his own land
    whose brilliance shone like that of the sun
    in our country. These scholars & preceptors
    through whose benevolence we were once again
    made aware of the presence of god, introduced
    to his secret knowledge & put on the road to
    truth, had come to our country to initiate us
    in that culture & impart education.”

    Vedic religion and culture were present in Pre-Islamic Arabia as early as 1850 B.C., and definitely present at the time of Mohammed’s birth.

    Vishnu’s Footprints in Mecca and more to follow.

    Citation.

    https://www.aho.hk/swordoftruth/vpopia1.html

     

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  • Prophet Mohammad Did Not Exist ? Quran

    Those who , as a right, question, the Vedas,, the existence of Lord Rama, Lord Krishna, never bother to question about Prophet Mohammad‘s existence.

    The Koran.
    Holy Quran.

    This is probably is the fear of the Sword.

    In my native Madurai District,Tamil Nadu there is a saying that the Muslims of India have become one by choosing the easiest option.

    The options are,

    a) have your penis cut(circumcised)

    b)Have your head cut.

    Jokes apart the Muslims are or were a revered lot in Tamil Nadu.

    They are called Rowther, a term to indicate  Muslims.

    It is both a term of endearment and respect.

    Saint Arunagirinathar calls Lord Muruga ,Rovuthane’ in his Thiruppugazh.

    My father was a teacher and he had a Muslim student, named Habib.

    Habib became an Inspector of Schools and he used to visit the school where my father worked.

    He would come to our Home direct, though he would stay n guest House, ask my mother to prepare food and request her to send in ragi Dosa for hi, for the night.

    And, in those days we never used Ragi, my mother would prepare it for him .

    Habib when he enters the class where my father was teaching, which he should evaluate, would first prostrate at my father’s feet in the open class and shall go about inspecting the class!

    How one wishes that amity remains to-day.

    Sorry about the digression.

    I started writing on the proof for the existence of Mohammad but wandered along.

    Unlike the Ramayana, Mahabharata there are no( to my knowledge) Astrophysical events associated with or indicated in the life history of the Prophet to validate.

    And there are no contemporary external evidence.

    Like The Bible, the Koran was compiled quite some time after the death of the Prophet.

    Now some one has come out with a Book on this aspect of Prophet Mohammad’s existence.

    “A recent book by Robert Spencer has the title, Did Muhammad Exist? The book1 is well-researched and deals with many historical issues. He describes the “canonical” story, that is, the common story told by Muslims, of Muhammad and then deals with the problems of supporting the story. The conclusion is that there is little to support the Muslim claims concerning the existence of Muhammad historically…

    First, we must examine the Qur’an, the sacred book of Muslims. There is little information about Muhammad in the Qur’an. The word “Muhammad” appears 4 times in the Qur’an. In three of the cases it could merely refer to a title, “the praised one,” or “chosen one.” Other names like Abraham appear 79 times, Moses 136 times, Pharaoh 74 times. The title “messenger of Allah” appears 300 times. Surah 33:40 is certainly a reference to a person, but it tells nothing about the life of Muhammad. Surah 48:29 also names Muhammad as a messenger of Allah.

    Spencer concludes that “we can glean nothing from these passages about Muhammad’s biography. Nor is it even certain, on the basis of the Qur’anic text alone, that these passages refer to Muhammad, or did so originally.” (p.19)

    Second, there are the hadiths, traditions, that are voluminous in quantity, often contradictory in nature, and most of them fabrications due to the lack of information about Muhammad. The hadiths arose much later after Muhammad supposedly died in 632.

    Third, there is the Sira, an Arabic term for the traditional biographies of Muhammad. “The earliest biography of Muhammad was written by Ibn Ishaq (d.773), who wrote in the latter part of the eighth century, at least 125 years after the death of his protagonist, in a setting in which legendary material about Muhammad was proliferating. And Ibn Ishaq’s biography does not even exist as such; it comes down to us only in the quite lengthy fragments reproduced by an even later chronicler, Ibn Hisham, who wrote in the first quarter of the ninth century, and by other historians who reproduced and thereby preserved additional sections. Other biographical material about Muhammad dates from even later.” (p.19)

    One of the earliest non-Muslim sources to possibly mention the prophet of Islam is a document known as the Doctrina Jacobi which was written by a Christian between 634 and 640. The document mentions the Saracens coming with an army and the prophet leading them. The writer was stopped by an old man well versed in Scripture and he inquired, “what can you tell me about the prophet who has appeared with the Saracens? He replied, groaning deeply: ‘He is false, for the prophets do not come armed with a sword.’ (p.21) This unnamed prophet mentioned in the Doctrina was travelling with his army. Muhammad had died already. Moreover the full document speaks with reference to the anointed one, the Christ who was to come.”

    “… there is not a single account of any kind dating from around the time the Doctrina Jacobi was written that affirms the canonical Islamic story of Muhammad and Islam’s origins.” (p.22)

    The conquest of Jerusalem in 637 is mentioned by Sophronius, the patriarch of Jerusalem, who turned the city over to Umar, the conquering leader, but nothing is said about a holy book, or Muhammad, only that they were Saracens who were “godless.”

    The first reference to the term Muslim comes in 690 by a Coptic Christian bishop, John of Nikiou. He wrote: “And now many of the Egyptians who had been false Christians denied the holy orthodox faith and lifegiving baptism, and embraced the religion of the Muslims, the enemies of God, and accepted the detestable doctrine of the beast, that is, Muhammad, and they erred together with those idolaters, and took arms in their hands and fought against the Christians.”

    “There is, however, reason to believe that this text as it stands is not as John of Nikiou wrote it. It survives only in an Ethiopic translation from the Arabic, dating from 1602. The Arabic itself was a translation from the original Greek or some other language. There is no other record of the terms Muslim and Islam being used either by the Arabians or by the conquered people in the 690’s, outside of the inscription on the Dome of the Rock, which itself has numerous questionable features…” (p.36)

    After pursuing various issues Spencer sums up what we know about the traditional account of Muhammad’s life and the early days of Islam.

    • No record of Muhammad’s reported death in 632 appears until more than a century after that date.
    • A Christian account apparently dating from the mid-630s speaks of an Arab prophet “armed with a sword” who seems to be still alive.
    • The early accounts written by the people the Arabs conquered never mention Islam, Muhammad, or the Qur’an. They call the conquerors “Ishmaelites,” “Saracens,” “Muhajirun,” and “Hagarians” but never “Muslims.”
    • The Arab conquerors, in their coins and inscriptions, don’t mention Islam or the Qur’an for the first six decades of their conquests. Mentions of “Muhammad” are non-specific and on at least two occasions are accompanied by a cross. The word can be used not only as a proper name but also as an honorific.
    • The Qur’an, even by the canonical Muslim account, was not distributed in its present form until the 650’s. Contradicting that standard account is the fact that neither the Arabian nor the Christians and Jews in the region mention the Qur’an until the early eighth century.
    • During the reign of the caliph Muawiya (661-680), the Arabs constructed at least one public building whose inscription was headed by a cross.
    • We begin hearing about Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, and about Islam itself in the 690’s, during the reign of the caliph Abd al-Malik. Coins and inscriptions reflecting Islamic beliefs begin to appear at this time also.
    • Around the same time, Arabic became the predominant written language of the Arabian Empire, supplanting Syriac and Greek.
    • Abd al-Malik claimed, in a passing remark in one hadith, to have collected the Qur’an, contradicting Islamic tradition that the collection was the work of the caliph Uthman forty years earlier.
    • Multiple hadiths report that Hajjaj ibn Yusuf, governor of Iraq during the reign of Abd al-Malik, edited the Qur’an and distributed his new edition to the various Arab-controlled provinces— again, something Uthman is supposed to have done decades earlier.
    • Even some Islamic traditions maintain that certain common Islamic practices, such as the recitation of the Qur’an during mosque prayers, date from orders of Hajjaj ibn Yusuf, not to the earlier period of Islamic history.
    • In the middle of the eighth century, the Abbasid dynastic supplanted the Umayyad line of Abd al-Malik. The Abbasids charged the Umayyads with impiety on a large scale. In the Abbasid period, biographical material about Mohammed began to proliferate. The first complete biography of the prophet of Islam finally appeared during this era—at least 125 years after the traditional date of his death.