Tag: Hinduism Controversies

  • Did Lord Rama Backstab Vali Rajaji’s Views

    There was a comment to my Post in Facebook that Lord Rama back stabbed Vaali and the commenter was

    defensive in asking this question by adding that he was embarrassed in asking this question as this is a very

    sensitive issue.

     

    Lord Rama Kills Vali, from Behind a Tree
    Rama Kills Vali By Stealth

    Well, Hinduism is not narrow-minded and it encourages questions on anything, if the question is in earnest.

     

    It does not consider this as blasphemy as some Religions do.

     

    Lord Rama killed Vali by hiding behind a tree.

     

    The reasons

    1. Vaali was harassing Sugriva, his brother.

    2.Vaali grabbed Sugriva’s Kingdom.

    3.He also coveted Sugriva’s Wife.

     

    4.Lord Rama wanted Sugriva’s help in finding Sita who was kidnapped.

     

    Lord Rama offered hid friendship to Sugriva and once , having given his  word as he would treat Vali as his friend he would stick by it, come what may.

     

    After being struck by The Rama Bana, Vali says to Lord Rama thus.

     

    ‘Rama you are the son of the Righteous Dasaratha.

    Your reputation as a fair-minded person precedes you.

    You are the embodiment of Dharma and fair play.

     

    Yet you chose to kill me hiding behind a tree. while I was fighting Sugriva.

     

    Why did you do this?

     

    • What was my crime?
    • Even if I committed a crime (with my brother), what is your right to kill me?
    • The third statement shows Vali’s disapproval of the way Rama killed him.
    • He says, “I was fighting with some other person and was not careful enough when you shot me.”

     

    Lord Rama replied,

    Lord Rama promises to Kill Vali
    Rama Vows to Kill Vali

     

    Vali, you speak as if you are the embodiment of Virtues.

     

    You grabbed what was essentially entitled to Sugriva, his share of the Kingdom.

     

    You coveted his wife.

     

    Hence you deserve to be killed by me.

     

    When some one breaks the Dharma, it is my duty to set the Dharma right by punishing the Guilty and protecting the Wronged.

     

    And I have accepted Sugriva as my friend and had given him my word that I would help him to relieve him of hid fear of you in return for his assurance to find Sita for me”.

     

    • The younger brother should be treated like a son. Even if he made a mistake you should forgive him, especially when he promised to respect you for your whole life.
    • About his authority he said he had permission from King Bharat to spread righteousness and punish evils.
    • The third argument he quoted how great kings did hunting of deers in the past. In fact, Vali in principle could also be kept in the category of deers (as he was a Vanara and not a Human) and a hunting king does not care whether the deer was careful or not.

     

    Vali replies,

     

    ‘Rama,

     

    You speak as if you have performed a very noble act.

     

    These are my points,

     

    1.Rama, since when your Reign extended to Kishkinta?

     

    Who are you to intrude into my kingdom and kill me in this fashion?

     

    2.The Dharma of Vanaras is different for Vanaras from what is applicable to Human Beings.

     

    As a Vanara we have our Mores, including the sanction to have one other’s wife.

     

    Which Smriti did you learn from?

     

    If you had become friends with Sugriva only with the intention of finding you wife,you have made a wrong choice

     

    You should have come to me, who had Ravan tucked under my Tail and had him hung as a toy for mu son

    Angadha’s Cradle.

     

    You need not have troubled your self.

     

    I would have ordered Ravana to hand over Sita and he would have done.

     

    If he had not done, I would have killed him.

     

    By no standards what you done is Right.

     

    Lord Rama did not have an answer.

     

    The argument still rages on.

     

    C.Rajagopalachari, known as Rajaji, the man wrote the Vyasar Virundhu, Mahabharata in Tamil, Chakkaravarthi Thirumakan, Ramayana, and

     

    a GreatStatesman India has ever produced and whom Gandhi called as ‘his conscience,’ gave a reply.

     

    ” There is a debate on the issue of Rama killing Vali by unfair means.

     

    Lord Rama is considered to be the embodiment of Dharma.

     

    Just as a small inkblot spoils a white Dhoti, this small act of His, evokes heated discussion.

     

    In the others it would have gone unnoticed.

     

    Having been described as a perfect Human Being, this appears to be a very serious issue.

     

    Technically Vali is Right.

     

    Valmiki wrote the Ramayana as it happened and the Ramayana is not a fiction.

     

    Had it been so, Valmiki could have omitted this episode and written Rama killed Vali on a direct fight, to

     

     

    show Rama as a Perfect Human Being.

     

    No body is going to find out this.

     

    This very narration that implies a wrong doing by Rama itself proves that the Ramayana is Real.

     

    And Lord Rama paid for this , by being killed by a Fisherman in a similar fashion in the Avatar of Lord Krishna.

     

    And I would say this to those who try to sully the name Rama on this issue,

     

    ‘You try to follow at least 1% of what Rama said and try to be like him a minuscule.

     

    Ten you would not be asking this question.

     

    And to me, it is That.

     

    Later Vali regretted his outburst and asked Rama’s forgives is a different issue.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • Tirupati.Murugan,DurgaTemple, Buddhist Monastery?

    There are some controversies that never die down.

    Lord Venkatachalapathy
    Tirupathi .Lord Balaji

    Whether Tamil is more ancient than Sanskrit,Caste is foisted on the people by the Brahmins, Babri Masjid was not built-in Ram’s Birth place, Taj Mahal was not built by Shah Jahan,Aurangzeb is a pious Man and the list is endless in India.

    One such controversy is that the Balaji Temple was originally Lord Murga’s Temple and it was later converted into a Vishnu Temple.

    Tirupati is Murugan Temple.

    .Subrahmanya.
    Lord Muruga.

    1.Most common proof is the fact that the ancient Grammar of Tamils, right from Tholkappiyam while defining the characteristics of land masses, assigns Hilly terrains as the Abode of Lord Muruga.(Thinai Illakkanam).

    Land Masses were divided into five categories by the Tamils.

    Kurinji-Hilly Terrains,-Deity Lord Muruga

    Mullai-Forest-Lord Vishnu.

    Marutham- Agricultural Land-Indra

    Neydal-Coastal Regions-Lord Varuna.

    Palai-Desert-Kotravai(Durga)

    I do not find any reason either from the Purnas or Tamil Literature to support the view that it was Muruga’s Temple.

    The term Vengadam means the northern boundary.(of Tamils)

    And there is no evidence of any King having built a Muruga Temple.

    Puranas 
    The Purana Accounts are legendary and is not helpful in finding the probable date of the temple. Puranas concentrate how Vishnu came voluntarily to take his place there. Varaha temple at the foothills of Tirupati predates venkateshwara temple at the top. The only account relavant here is Tondaman (pallava) started the worship of vishnu here. This Thondaman assisted his brother(Akasa Raja) in administration. Thondaiman had a foster daughter in Tirupati and she was married to venkatesa. After the death of Akasa Raja (left a young prince), he and his nephew fought and tondiaman felt very weak ,so got the weapons from venkateswara . The war ended Indecisively and the country was divided into two. The one closer to Vengadam (Tirupati) was given to thondaman and the other farther away given to his nephew. Tondaiman built the temple and started the festivals. This Tondaman lived in Kaliyuga. There is a separate Thondaiman dynasty post 12th century AD. But Dravidian scholars want to identify Thondaiman as Pallava.’

    However there is another argument that it has been a Shiva Temple because , even to-day Vilvarchana is being done to Lord Balaji.

    Kanchi Periyavar states that in the Temple Prahara(outside wall, there are images of Lions, which are associated with only Goddess Durga and the temple could have been a Durga Temple.

    There is another confusing statement from Romila Thapar.

    “-Dig underneath every Hindu temple, there will be a Buddhist temple.”

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    My view is that there is no evidence that Tirupati is a Muruga Temple.

    It is Lord Vishnu‘s Temple.

    I would say this to die-hard Saivite.

    Lord Muruga is the favorite nephew of Lord Vishnu.Lord Muruga will be pleased if you worship His favorite Uncle.

    மாமனுக்கோ பிள்ளை இல்லை மருமகன்தான் தலைமகன்-Kannadasan.

    The Uncle has no children, his nephew is his eldest son.

    Links:

    http://controversialhistory.blogspot.in/2011/07/is-tirupati-balaji-temple-buddist.html#.Ul9vl9Knovl

    http://mahaperiyavaa.wordpress.com/2013/10/16/%E0%AE%A4%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%B0%E0%AF%81%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%AA%E0%AE%A4%E0%AE%BF-%E0%AE%AE%E0%AF%81%E0%AE%B0%E0%AF%81%E0%AE%95%E0%AE%A9%E0%AF%8D-%E0%AE%A4%E0%AE%B2%E0%AE%AE%E0%AE%BE-%E0%AE%A4/

     

    Related:

    http://ramanisblog.in/2011/10/16/tirumala-hills-side-view-as-lord-balajis-face-pictures/