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  • Indian Brahmin Migration To Europe 8000 Years DNA Proof

    I have been trying to fathom the mystery of Human migration in the world.

    There are descriptions of Great Flood in almost all the mythologies,Jewish, Christian, Mayan,Incas, Sumerian.

    But the Great Floods do not get such detailed references anywhere as in Tamil Classics belonging to Tamil Sangam Era, which is erroneously dated around 3 BC.

    The internal evidence in the Texts, external references found in world literature, Vedic Texts and Geology assigns an earlier date.

    There is a study which states that the Tamils were very much an advanced civilisation around 74,000 years ago.

    Please refer my Post.

    And there is site reflecting Tamil Culture, 1 Million year old, in Pallavaram Cheanni, Tamil Nadu, India.

    Tamil quotes the Vedas and they quote Tamil.

    Read my Post on this.

    So it is well nigh impossible to assign exact dates for these two or which precedes the other because of the Time frame involved, on the available evidence now.

    Dating of these are verified by Astronomy, Astro-archeology and of course by Anthropology,Cultural,Linguistic similarities and Archeology.

    Yet another source is Genome Study, the Study of Genes.

    By studying  and comparing the Genes of the present population with the ancient skeletons found around the world, one can arrive at a conclusion.

    When one looks at Human population in the Europe, one finds that it seems to start abruptly, with the statement that People migrated from Asia.

    From where in Asia and Why?

    The Western science has been silent till now.

    Now research of DNA has come a long way and they prove that the migration took place from India, then called Bharatavarsha.

    Reference in The Bhagavatha Purana states that the ancestor of Lord Rama, Satyavrata Manu migrated from the South of Vindhya Mountains to Ayodhya and Manu’ son Ikshvaku founded the Ikshvaku Dynasty.

    Please read my Post, Rama’s ancestor Dravida, migrated from South.

    At the same time Shiva with his son Ganesha moved westwards  through Middle East ,Europe,Africa,South America, North America, Central America, Russia to Arctic where the Rig Veda was composed.

    Then they returned to India through the Khyber Pass and this event has been taken as Aryan Invasion of India.

    Please read my Posts on each point.

    Now that the far Eastern and American civilizations are traced to Santana Dharma, it is evident that the people of the far east( in relation to the west, here they mean the now Middle east), it is the Sanatana Dharma Tribes which migrated to these places.

    Read my Post Vedic Tribes.

    The Reports.

    Human Migration, In and Out of India.jpg Human Migration, In and Out of India.

    * I have provided this Map to inform readers of the other view that the initial Migration to India was from Africa.I disagree with this view.Check My Posts on this.

    A new study has revealed that Indians belonging to higher castes are genetically closer to Europeans than are individuals from lower castes, whose genetic profiles are closer to those of Asians.

    The study compared genetic markers—located on the Y chromosome and the mitochondrial DNA—between 265 Indian men of various castes and 750 African, Asian, European and other Indian men. To broaden the study, 40 markers from chromosomes 1 to 22 were analyzed from more than 600 individuals from different castes and continents. The comparison of the markers among these groups confirmed that genetic similarities to Europeans increased as caste rank increased.

    The study, led by Michael Bamshad of the University of Utah, in Salt Lake City, and his colleagues, is reported to be the most comprehensive genetic analysis to date of the impact of European migrations on the structure and origin of the current Indian population. The article appears in the current issue of Genome Research.

    The caste system, defined in ancient Sanskrit texts, determines a person’s rank in society: The Brahmin, who were traditionally priests and scholars, held the highest rank in Hindu society. Warriors and rulers made up the Kshatriya who were the next in line to the Brahmin. Merchants, traders, farmers, and artisans were the third caste called the Vysya. The Shudra were the fourth rank and consisted of laborers. Because of strict rules forbidding marriage between men and women of different castes, these four classes remained distinct for thousands of years.

    Bamshad’s team found that Y chromosomes from the Brahmin and Kshatriya closely resembled European Y chromosomes rather than Asian Y chromosomes. The Y chromosomes from the lower castes bore more similarities to the Asian Y chromosome. The mitochondrial DNA showed the same pattern.

    The authors believe their results support the notion that Europeans who migrated into India between 3,000 and 8,000 years ago may have merged with or imposed their social structure on the native northern Indians and placed themselves into the highest castes.

    Analysis of the paternally transmitted Y chromosome among Indians in general indicated that the Y chromosome had a more European flavor. Maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA among Indians is more Asian than European. This suggests that the Europeans who entered India were predominantly male.

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    That required developing new computational methods for genetic analysis. “Figuring out how these populations are related is extremely hard,” Reich says. “There’s a lot that happened in Europe in the last 8,000 years, and this history acts like a veil, making it difficult to discern what happened at the beginning of this period. We had to find statistics that were able to tell us what happened deep in the past without getting confused by 8,000 years of intervening history, when massive and important events occurred.”

    “What we find is unambiguous evidence that people in Europe today have all three of these ancestries: early European farmers who brought agriculture to Europe, the indigenous hunter-gatherers who were in Europe prior to 8,000 years ago, and these ancient north Eurasians,” Reich says. Further analyses showed that describing present-day Europeans as a mixture of the three populations is a good fit for most, although not all, populations.

    When the study began, the ancient north Eurasian population was a “ghost population”—identified based on genetic patterns without any ancient DNA. But in 2013, another group analyzed DNA from two skeletons found in Siberia, one from 24,000 years ago and one from 17,000 years ago, and found that it shared genetic similarities with Europeans and North Americans. The ghost, Reich says, had been found.

    Although DNA from ancient north Eurasians is present in nearly all modern Europeans, Reich’s team did not find it in their ancient hunter-gatherers or the ancient farmers. That means the north Eurasian line of ancestry was introduced into Europe after agriculture had been established, a scenario most archaeologists had thought unlikely.

    “We have this amazing observation that only two ancestries are represented among the first farmers, from about 7,000 to 5,000 years ago. And then suddenly everybody today has ancient north Eurasian ancestry,” Reich says. “So there must have been a later movement of this ancestry into Europe.”

    Anthropologists have long thought that densely settled populations would be resistant to the arrival of new groups. “But this is hard evidence that exactly such a major migration occurred,” Reich says. “It’s very important because it’s a major contributor to Europeans today.” The time of the ancient north Eurasians’ arrival remains to be determined, but Reich says their later-than-expected movement into Europe might help explain the complex mix of languages that exists there today…

    ..Anatole Klyosov is a friend of yours? That is positively awesome. The y-DNA R1a1a matter still seems to be shrouded in mystery to a large extent. There is a basic split between Northern Europe and Asia which has become apparent. Here is a blog post from the Polish Genetics and Anthropology Blog run by one of our very own forum members which summarizes the findings. A major division within R1a1a emerges: Southern Europe and Asia vs. Northern Europe –

    As mentioned on this blog recently, there’s a lot of action on different fronts to try and decipher the story of R1a1a. Many new SNPs are being discovered, and one of the most fascinating found to date is Z93. This marker appears to be a signal of a major split within R1a1a, with most samples from north of the Alps and Carpathians coming back Z93-. These include Brits, Germans, Poles, Finns, Scandinavians and Russians. The Z93+ crowd features Italians, Spaniards, Indians, Pakistanis, Ashkenazim Jews, Hungarians, Turks and Arabs. Eventually, I’ll put together a comprehensive post about all the newly discovered SNPs within R1a1a, and what they might mean. Till then, the link below might be of use to all those interested in how things are going.

    Thus far, all the South-Asian participants of the Family Tree DNA R1a1a and Subclades Y-DNA Project have tested positive for the Z93 SNP, which, as mentioned, seems to be the defining SNP which separates Northern European and Asiatic R1a1a indviduals. From the R1a1a spreadsheet, I will list a few Indian individuals who have tested for the relevant SNPs in question;
    – An individual who lists his surname as Bajwa. The Bajwa are a Jatt clan from the Punjabi-speaking areas of Northwest India. This individual is listed as positive (+) for Z93.
    – An individual who is of a Nair background from Kerala, southern India. He is positive for both Z93 and L342.2+, which is downstream from Z93.
    -An individual who lists his surname as Kamath. Kamath is a very common surname among the Saraswat Brahmins of the Konkan coast of India. He is positive for L342.2. Given that this is downstream from Z93, it is likely he is also Z93+.
    – A Bihari Brahmin individual who lists his last name as Dikshit. As in the last two individuals, he has not tested for Z93 but is L342.2+ and L657+, both downstream from Z93.
    – An individual who lists his surname as Khokar. Khokar is a Punjabi-specific surname borne by a variety of clans of various ethnic groups in the Punjab region. While the individual doesn’t seem to have tested for Z93, he is L342.2+, thus he is likely to be Z93+ as well.

    I personally think it would be highly fallacious to form any conclusions based on such small sampling. More R1a1a South-Asians most certainly need to get themselves tested. But thus far, all the Indian individuals seem to be Z93+. I asked Polako, the forum enthusiast on everything R1a1a about all this, and this is what he had to say. However, going by the results thus far, I have no idea as to how we could possibly go about tracking the Indo-European migration to India and their patrilineal descendants (Brahmins, etc) if all South-Asian R1a1a individuals are indistinguishable from each other. This, to me, make absolutely no sense. I will refrain from concluding anything on the matter for now, though. The apparent lack of SNP differentiation between various South-Asian R1a1a individuals also doesn’t quite corroborate with the appreciable variation and differences in the autosomal DNA admixture proportions of the various castes and tribes of India.

    The T. Kivisild et al study is actually based on y-DNA and mtDNA Haplogroups, not autosomal DNA. The map which you posted is actually a multidimensional scaling plot of eight Indian and seven western Eurasian populations, using Fst distances calculated for 16 Y-Chromosomal SNP haplogroups. In terms of autosomal DNA however, the Punjabis cluster firmly within South-Asia, along with other more North-Westerly groups such as the Pathans, Sindhis and Kashmiris. Additionally, they tend to exhibit elevated amounts of West-Asian and Northeastern European admixture relative to other South Asian groups; which is quite typical of Northwest Indian and Pakistani groups.

    The Lambadis are a nomadic tribe affiliated with the Banjaras of Northwest India found in south and west India. The Castes and Tribes of South India (1909) by Edgar Thurston and K. Rangachari has an interesting introductory account on them;

    The Lambadis are also called Lambani, Brinjari or Banjari, Boipari, Sugali or Sukali. By some Sugali is said to be a corruption of supari (betel nut), because they formerly traded largely therein.”The Banjaras,” Mr. G. A. Grierson writes, “are the well- known tribe of carriers who are found all over Western and Southern India. One of their principal sub-castes is known under the name of Labhani, and this name (or some related one) is often applied to the whole tribe. The two names appear each under many variations, such as Banjari, Vanjarl, Brinjari, Labhani, Labani, Labana, Lambadi, and Lambani. The name Banjara and its congeners is probably derived from the Sanskrit Vanijyakarakas, a merchant, through the Prakrit Vanij-jaarao, a trader. The derivation of Labhani or Labani, etc., is obscure. It has been suggested that it means salt carrier from the Sanskrit lavanah, salt, because the tribe carried salt, but this explanation goes against several phonetic rules, and does not account for the forms of the word like LabhanI or LambanI. Banjari falls into two main dialects — that of the Panjab and Gujarat, and that of elsewhere (of which we may take the Labhani of Berar as the standard). All these different dialects are ultimately to be referred to the language of Western Rajputana (Rajasthan). The Labhani of Berar possesses the characteristics of an old form of speech, which has been preserved unchanged for some centuries. It may be said to be based partly on Marwari and partly on Northern Gujarati. It is noted by Mr. Grierson that the Banjari dialect of Southern India is mixed with the surrounding Dravidian languages.

    Oddly enough, the Lambadi of Andhra Pradesh according to the same Kivisild et al. (2005) study exhibited y-DNA R1b at 27%, which is quite atypical for Indians in general.

    Citation.

    http://www.hhmi.org/news/modern-europeans-descended-three-groups-ancestors

    http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php/25479-Brahmin-caste-R-M17-affinities-with-Europeans-or-lack-thereof-(split)-mod?s=58e5b2b489abad795b20a2acde8a7a64

    http://www.genomenewsnetwork.org/articles/05_01/Indo-European.shtml

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  • My Posts On Sanatana Dharma Spread Reply To Crticis

    I have been publishing articles on Sanatna Dharma, also called Hinduism, trying to validate with the help of available Archaeological evidence,Astronomy,Etymology.Cultural Language similarity,references in Indian and foreign literature and Architectural similarities if not identities.

    For my post ‘World’s Oldest Temple, Gobekli Tepe,built By Brahmins, I have received a lot  adverse comments, though they were out numbered by  positive comments.

    Bhimbetka rock painting .jpg
    Bhimbetka rock painting showing man riding on horse.30,000 Years old. “Bhimbetka rock paintng1”. Licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0 via Wikimedia Commons – http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bhimbetka_rock_paintng1.jpg#/media/File:Bhimbetka_rock_paintng1.jpg

    The Major thrust of the adverse comments are.

    1.The facts I have quoted are not scientific.

    2.The Gobekli site is 11000 Years old and since the Ramayana is dated around 5114!

    And the archaeological investigation is not complete.

    Hence, what I have written, as one reader put it, making it up.

    3.The dating is wrong and people will accept only Carbon dating and scientific dating methods.

    My clarification.

    ‘The facts I have quoted are not scientific’.

    I have  and am providing sources for every single article I write from reliable sources.

    In some cases I draw inferences by linking various elements,like the archaeological findings,Astronomical events, Etymology, Cultural behavior,Language and architectural affinity.

    So they stand as a theory till such time some additional evidence comes along.

    But till new evidence comes along my theory is an improvement on the  existing data.

    And is more  accurate than the existing ones.

    History is the process of trying to reconstruct events by cross referencing, linking various elements as mentioned above.

    I do not indulge in misinformation as it is the prerogative of the West.

    I do not put on my Blinkers when an Indian source presents itself and refuse to accept it because it is not by a Western Scholar(?)

    ”

    ‘The Gobekli site is 11000 Years old and since the Ramayana is dated around only that period.’

    And the archaeological investigation is not complete.

    Hence, what I have written, as one reader put it, making it up.”

    True that the Gobelki is 11000 years old and Ramayana is dated around 5000 BC.

    Rig Veda is also dated at 5000 BC.

    Both the dates were by the Western scholars.

    Are they assigning Rig Veda and Ramayana the same date?

    What about Mahabharata?

     EXACT DATE OF MAHABHARAT WAR
    16TH OCTOBER 5561 YEAR B.C.

    Does it mean That Ramayana took place just 500 Years before Mahabharata?

    We have references to Ramayana and Mahabharata  in Sanskrit Texts and Tamil.

    Both these languages are so old it is impossible to date them accurately within the time frame as we know of..

    I am providing excerpts on India in Paleolithic age.9Material provided thowards the close of the Post)

    People have lived in India 50,000 -75000 Years ago.

    I have articles on the age of Tamil Sangam Vedas Puranas and the Temples of India.

    So it is possible that the Events in the Puranas have happened earlier than Gobekli Tepe and there are strong possibilities that Sanatana Dharma spread there .

    I have provided more evidence that Tamils/Sanatana Dharma was the root for Mayas, Aztecs,Sumerian, Minoan.

    People may  check the relevant posts.

    On the fact that the archaeological  is incomplete, what is wrong in providing links to the references  found in Indian texts to arrive at a conclusion?

    One does not expect a Westerner to know of these references from India.

    What is wrong in providing this to enhance knowledge?

    While these archaeological  evidence is available on the web, the specific information on Indian references is not for it requires knowledge of ancient Indian Texts exposure to Modern dating technic.

    DNA evidence leads to Madurai.

    Carbon dating is ideal.

    The issue in Carbon dating is,

    If you are verifying a vessel, it can date only the material and does not tell you the date when the artifact was made.

    In Astronomy also the astronomical events repeat themselves over and over.

    So which one do we take reference to?

    Hence my attempt has been to synthesize all the elements and provide a theory for people to work on.

    I do not manufacture history like the west.

    I trust Indian and western sources with skepticism, check them and formulate my view.

    “The history of India begins with evidence of human activity of Anatomically modern humans, as long as 75,000 years ago, or with earlier hominids including Homo erectus from about 500,000 years ago.[..

    Isolated remains of Homo erectus in Hathnora in the Narmada Valley in central India indicate that India might have been inhabited since at least the Middle Pleistocene era, somewhere between 500,000 and 200,000 years ago.[20][21] Tools crafted by proto-humans that have been dated back two million years have been discovered in the northwestern part of the subcontinent.[22][23] The ancient history of the region includes some of South Asia’s oldest settlements[24] and some of its major civilisations.[25][26] The earliest archaeological site in the subcontinent is the palaeolithic hominid site in the Soan River valley.[27] Soanian sites are found in the Sivalik region across what are now India, Pakistan, and Nepal.[28]

    The Mesolithic period in the Indian subcontinent was followed by the Neolithic period, when more extensive settlement of the subcontinent occurred after the end of the last Ice Age approximately 12,000 years ago. The first confirmed semipermanent settlements appeared 9,000 years ago in the Bhimbetka rock shelters in modern Madhya Pradesh, India. Early Neolithic culture in South Asia is represented by theBhirrana findings (7500 BCE) in Haryana, India & Mehrgarh findings (7000–9000 BCE) in Balochistan, Pakistan.[29][30][31]

    Traces of a Neolithic culture have been alleged to be submerged in the Gulf of Khambat in India, radiocarbon dated to 7500 BCE.[32]However, the one dredged piece of wood in question was found in an area of strong ocean currents. Neolithic agriculture cultures sprang up in the Indus Valley region around 5000 BCE, in the lower Gangetic valley around 3000 BCE, and in later South India, spreading southwards and also northwards into Malwa around 1800 BCE. The first urban civilisation of the region began with the Indus Valley Civilisation

    Citations.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_India#Stone_Age

    http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/mahabharat/mahab_vartak.html

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  • World Human Races are From India

    What is the original source and authority on any subject?

    I encountered this issue when a comment for a Post mine stated that the Links/sources provided by me depend on each other and as such they commit the fallacy of Circular reasoning.

    Hence they are unacceptable.

    India where Human Races spread from.Image.jpg
    Human Race From India.

    The comment also observed that I must provide a reliable source like Text Books(?) or a reputed authority.

    What then is a source that is dependable?

    You depend and take reference to the one that is in agreement with known facts that are available.

    And these facts are to be borne out by physical evidence such as Archaeology  an , in my opinion, Astronomy  as one can not tamper with Astronomical events while one can with Archaeology.

    And in addition one may have to depend on contemporary references of the relevant period  where the events have occurred and the foreign sources which were contemporary in terms of Time that refer to these events.

    This the procedure I follow in validating information.

    But all these have to stop at one point where the trail ends.

    If you star doubting the authenticity of this, then no knowledge is possible.

    Science conveniently circumvents this by saying some fundamentals are self-evident,Axioms, and are not to be questioned.

    But Arts and History does not have this privilege.

    The first source has o be proved as in Philosophy.

    Philosophy tries to answer questions that are unanswerable by Science.

    So the talk about God Reality evokes a lot of arguments an denials.

    These areas need perception combined with inference,and testimony.

    If one were to deny Inference as it may be faulty because non availability of all the facts then Inference can not be used.

    In that case many day-to-day activities might come to a standstill.

    And on Testimony if one were to doubt every testimony , I can not even say who my parents are!

    Indian philosophy accepts Inference and Testimony(Sabda) as sources of Knowledge, under certain conditions.

    I shall be writing on the sources of Knowledge shortly.

    Now to the subject on hand, that of where did all the races originate from?

    If one were to check western sources, both historical and religious,they would simply state that it was there or it is from another place.

    You check on Human migration to Europe,

    Waves of people came in intervals in they state.

    Then they add from Asia.

    Please read my post on Human Migration.

    The trail ends there.

    But the source they quote, namely India,comes out with references then they are dismissed at Myths.

    Bu the west’s statement that human migration just happened and it is from Asia people accept it.

    Why?

    I leave it at that.

    Now when we find human races History the same pattern is observed.

    This is what  is Race about.

    Groups of humans have always identified themselves as distinct from neighboring groups, but such differences have not always been understood to be natural, immutable and global. These features are the distinguishing features of how the concept of race is used today. In this way the idea of race as we understand it today came about during the historical process of exploration and conquest which brought Europeans into contact with groups from different continents, and of the ideology of classification and typology found in the natural sciences.

    The European concept of “race,” along with many of the ideas now associated with the term, arose at the time of the scientific revolution, which introduced and privileged the study of natural kinds, and the age of European imperialism and colonizationwhich established political relations between Europeans and peoples with distinct cultural and political traditions.[37][38] As Europeans encountered people from different parts of the world, they speculated about the physical, social, and cultural differences among various human groups. The rise of the Atlantic slave trade, which gradually displaced an earlier trade in slaves from throughout the world, created a further incentive to categorize human groups in order to justify the subordination of African slaves.[39] Drawing on Classical sources and upon their own internal interactions — for example, the hostility between the English and Irish powerfully influenced early European thinking about the differences between people[40] — Europeans began to sort themselves and others into groups based on physical appearance, and to attribute to individuals belonging to these groups behaviors and capacities which were claimed to be deeply ingrained. A set of folk beliefs took hold that linked inherited physical differences between groups to inherited intellectual, behavioral, and moral qualities.[41] Similar ideas can be found in other cultures,[42] for example in China, where a concept often translated as “race” was associated with supposed common descent from the Yellow Emperor, and used to stress the unity of ethnic groups in China. Brutal conflicts between ethnic groups have existed throughout history and across the world.[43]

    The 1775 treatise “The Natural Varieties of Mankind,” by Johann Friedrich Blumenbach proposed five major divisions: the Caucasoid race,Mongoloid race, Ethiopian race (later termed the Negroid race), American Indian race, and Malayan race, but he did not propose any hierarchy among the races.[47] Blumenbach also noted the graded transition in appearances from one group to adjacent groups and suggested that “one variety of mankind does so sensibly pass into the other, that you cannot mark out the limits between them”.[48]

    From the 17th through the 19th centuries, the merging of folk beliefs about group differences with scientific explanations of those differences produced what one scholar has called an “ideology of race”.[38] According to this ideology, races are primordial, natural, enduring and distinct. It was further argued that some groups may be the result of mixture between formerly distinct populations, but that careful study could distinguish the ancestral races that had combined to produce admixed groups.[43] Subsequent influential classifications by Georges Buffon, Petrus Camper and Christoph Meiners all classified “Negros” as inferior to Europeans.[47] In the United States the racial theories of Thomas Jefferson were influential. He saw Africans as inferior to Whites especially in regards to their intellect, and imbued with unnatural sexual appetites, but described Native Americansas equals to whites.[49]

    Where is the evidence here on Races?

    Check the source provide here or check any other source.

    The same information under esoteric words with no shred of hard evidence and what is quoted in rare cases as an archaeological finds point out Indian connection and no body shall pursue it.

    This blog does that ,Pursuing sources  and the trail stops with the Puranas and Ithihasas.

    And the facts mentioned by them are borne out by archaeology9Indain and Foreign) and Astronomy.

    On the issue of races this is what the Puranas, Ramayana, Mahabharata and The Puranas have to say.

    And my research shows most of them have been validated and I have published them.

    I shall continue to pursue what has not yet been covered.

    King Yayati a king of the Lunar Dynasty is mentioned to have 5 sons, all of whom became the founders of many royal dynasties.

    The sons of Yadu are known by the name of the Yadavas: while those of Turvasu have come to be called the Yavanas. And the sons of Drahyu are the Bhojas, while those of Anu, the Mlechchhas. The progeny of Puru, however, are the Pauravas (1:85). Yadavas became strong in central India. The Pauravas (Kurus and Panchalas were branches of this race) became strong in northern India. The sons of Anu were also called Anavas, thought to be the Iranian tribes, who were all grouped as Mlechas. The Yavanas along with the Anavas established themselves in the far western regions.

    It is not clear if the Bhojas mentioned here represents the Bhoja-Yadavas, a sub-sect of the Yadavas. However the epic mentions a king named Kunti-Bhoja (the king of Kunti and the foster-father of Pandava’s mother Kunti) and a city named Bhojakata in Vidarbha. There is a highly speculative possibility that the Druids of Ireland were the descendants of Drahyu.

    Race from Kamadhenu.

    When the sage Vasistha was attacked by king Viswamitra’s army, Vasistha’s cow, Kamadehnu, brought forth from her tail, an army of Palhavas, and from her udders, an army ofDravidas and Sakas; and from her womb, an army of Yavanas, and from her dung, an army of Savaras; and from her urine, an army of Kanchis; and from her sides, an army of Savaras. And from the froth of her mouth came out hosts of Paundras and Kiratas, Yavanas and Sinhalas, and the barbarous tribes of Khasas and Chivukas and Pulindas andChinas and Hunas with Keralas, and numerous other Mlechchhas.

    This is also found in Ramayana:- the tribes like the Kambojas, Barbaras, Pahlavas, Yavanas, Sakas, Mlecchas, Haritas and Kiratas etc. had originated from the body parts of the divine cow, Kamadhenu of sage Vasistha, as hords of army men, to protect him from the attack of the king Viswamitra (Ramayana 1.55.2-3). The following passage from Mahabharata. At (12:35) is mentioned:- What duties should be performed by the Yavanas, the Kiratas, the Gandharvas, the Chinas, the Savaras, the Barbaras, the Sakas, theTusharas, the Kankas, the Pathavas, the Andhras, the Madrakas, the Paundras, the Pulindas, the Ramathas, the Kamvojas, the several castes that have sprung up fromBrahmanas and Kshatriyas, the Vaisyas, and the Sudras, that reside in the dominions of (Arya) kings?

    They were later given the status of Sudras. The Mekalas, the Dravidas, the Lathas, the Paundras, the Konwasiras, the Saundikas, the Daradas, the Darvas, the Chauras, the Savaras, the Varvaras, the Kiratas, the Yavanas, and numerous other tribes of Kshatriyas, have become degraded into the status of Sudras through the wrath of Brahmanas. (13:35). It is in consequence of the absence of Brahmanas from among them that the Sakas, the Yavanas, the Kamvojas and other Kshatriya tribes have become fallen and degraded into the status of Sudras. The Dravidas, the Kalingas, the Pulandas, the Usinaras, the Kolisarpas, the Mahishakas and other Kshatriyas, have, in consequence of the absence of Brahmanas from among their midst, become degraded into Sudras (13:33).

    Kamadhenu in this context has to be taken in its meaning of perennial.

    It means that the Races originate from India perennially.

    A passage in the Mahabharata, which is rendered as a futuristic prediction mentions thus:- The Andhra Kingdom, the Sakas, the Pulindas, the Yavanas, the Kamvojas, theBahlika Kingdom Valhikas and the Abhira Kingdom Abhiras, will then become possessed of bravery and the sovereignty of the earth (3:187).

    Yavana rulers might have spread throughout ancient India, who established their city-states or small kingdoms during the period of Mahabharata. Many ancient Indian warriors like Pandu, Arjuna, Nakula, Sahadeva, Karna and Vasudeva Krishna were mentioned as encountering Yavana kings.

    Mention of Yavanas who fought with Arjuna and his father Pandu:- The king of the Yavanas himself whom the powerful Pandu even had failed to bring under subjection was brought by Arjuna under control (1:141). Mention of a Yavana stronghold in Mathura:- The Yavanas, the Kamvojas, and those that dwell around Mathura are well skilled in fighting with bare arms (12:100). Nakula the son of Pandu reduced to subjection the fierce Mlechchas residing on the sea coast, as also the wild tribes of the Palhavas, the Kiratas, the Yavanas, and the Sakas. And having subjugated various monarchs, and making all of them pay tributes, Nakula that foremost of the Kurus, full of resources, retraced his way towards his own city (2:31). Sahadeva, the son of Pandu, brought under his subjection and exacted tributes from the Paundrayas and the Dravidas along with theUdrakeralas and the Andhras and the Talavanas, the Kalingas and the Ushtrakarnikas, and also the delightful city of Atavi and that of the Yavanas (2:30). The Yavana city mentioned here seems to be a south Indian port city of the Yavanas during the ancient era.

    Having come to the western regions, Karna made all the Yavana and Varvara kings pay tribute. The Suta’s son brought the Sasakas and the Yavanas under his sway.(3:252).Vasudeva Krishna slew the Yavana called Kalyavana (3:12). The Sakas, and the Yavanas with followers, were all vanquished by Krishna. (7:11).

    Citations.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yavana_Kingdom

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_%28human_classification%29#Historical_origins_of_racial_classification

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  • Celts Were Brahmins Danube Is Danu

    It is a known fact in Human migration that wherever there is a natural calamity in the form of a Tsunami, people of Asia migrated towarda the west;one heading through the Middle east and another through the Caucasus.

    A group led by Shiva with Ganesha left through the Middle east route and Satyavrata Manu’s Group went to Ayodhya to found Ikshvaku Dynasty, ord Rama’s Dynasty.

    That is the reason we find more of Shiva and Ganesha relics in the Mesopotamian area of Iraq,Kuwait,South America and Africa and more of Krishna relics in Iran, Russia.

    Shiva seems to find a place everywhere.

    One of the reasons is that Shiva must have returned to Sarasvati Valley from the Arctic after the compilation of Rig Veda.

    Though there are indications that the people of England, Celts did have a Sanatana Dharma connection, I have not been able to find a good research work till now on this subject.

    Now,

    There is enough evidence that the priestly class of the ancestors,Druids, of the Celts were…. Brahmins.

     

    And they performed the Vedic rituals.

    The Celtic Empire 700 -100 BC.
    The Celtic Empire 700 -100 BC.

     

    “The Druids of the ancient Celtic world have a startling kinship with the brahmins of the Hindu religion and were, indeed, a parallel development from their common Indo-European cultural root which began to branch out probably five thousand years ago. It has been only in recent decades that Celtic scholars have begun to reveal the full extent of the parallels and cognates between ancient Celtic society and Vedic culture.

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    Celtic tribes in S.E.Europe, c. 1st century BC (in purple). “Roman period tribes in Illyria and Lower Pannonia” by Hxseek at en.wikipedia. Licensed under CC BY 3.0 via Wikimedia Commons – http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Roman_period_tribes_in_Illyria_and_Lower_Pannonia.png#mediaviewer/File:Roman_period_tribes_in_Illyria_and_Lower_Pannonia.png

    The Celts were the first civilization north of the European Alps to emerge into recorded history. At the time of their greatest expansion, in the 3rd century bce, the Celts stretched from Ireland in the west, through to the central plain of Turkey in the east; north from Belgium, down to Cadiz in southern Spain and across the Alps into the Po Valley of Italy. They even impinged on areas of Poland and the Ukraine and, if the amazing recent discoveries of mummies in China’s province of Xinjiang are linked with the Tocharian texts, they even moved as far east as the area north of Tibet.

    The once great Celtic civilization is today represented only by the modern Irish, Manx and Scots, and the Welsh, Cornish and Bretons. Today on the northwest fringes of Europe cling the survivors of centuries of attempted conquest and “ethnic cleansing” by Rome and its imperial descendants. But of the sixteen million people who make up those populations, only 2.5 million now speak a Celtic language as their mother tongue.

    The Druids were not simply priesthood. They were the intellectual caste of ancient Celtic society, incorporating all the professions: judges, lawyers, medical doctors, ambassadors, historians and so forth, just as does the brahmin caste. In fact, other names designate the specific role of the “priests.” Only Roman and later Christian propaganda turned them into “shamans,” “wizards” and “magicians.” The scholars of the Greek Alexandrian school clearly described them as a parallel caste to the brahmins of Vedic society.

    The very name Druid is composed of two Celtic word roots which have parallels in Sanskrit. Indeed, the root vid for knowledge, which also emerges in the Sanskrit word Veda, demonstrates the similarity. The Celtic root dru which means “immersion” also appears in Sanskrit. So a Druid was one “immersed in knowledge.”

    Because Ireland was one of the few areas of the Celtic world that was not conquered by Rome and therefore not influenced by Latin culture until the time of its Christianization in the 5th century ce, its ancient Irish culture has retained the most clear and startling parallels to Hindu society.

    Professor Calvert Watkins of Harvard, one of the leading linguistic experts in his field, has pointed out that of all the Celtic linguistic remains, Old Irish represents an extraordinarily archaic and conservative tradition within the Indo-European family. Its
    nominal and verbal systems are a far truer reflection of the hypothesized parent tongue, from which all Indo-European languages developed, than are Classical Greek or Latin. The structure of Old Irish, says Professor Watkins, can be compared only with that of
    Vedic Sanskrit or Hittite of the Old Kingdom.

    The vocabulary is amazingly similar. The following are just a few examples:

    Old Irish – arya (freeman),Sanskrit – aire (noble)
    Old Irish – naib (good), Sanskrit – noeib (holy)
    Old Irish – badhira (deaf), Sanskrit – bodhar (deaf)
    Old Irish – names (respect), Sanskrit – nemed (respect)
    Old Irish – righ (king), Sanskrit – raja (king)

    This applies not only in the field of linguistics but in law and social custom, in mythology, in folk custom and in traditional musical form. The ancient Irish law system, the Laws of the Fénechus, is closely parallel to the Laws of Manu. Many surviving Irish myths, and some Welsh ones, show remarkable resemblances to the themes, stories and even names in the sagas of the Indian Vedas.

    Comparisons are almost endless. Among the ancient Celts, Danu was regarded as the “Mother Goddess.” The Irish Gods and Goddesses were the Tuatha De Danaan (“Children of Danu”). Danu was the “divine waters” falling from heaven and nurturing Bíle, the sacred oak from whose acorns their children sprang. Moreover, the waters of Danu went on to create the great Celtic sacred river–Danuvius, today called the Danube. Many European rivers bear the name of Danu–the Rhône (ro- Dhanu, “Great Danu”) and several rivers called Don. Rivers were sacred in the Celtic world, and places where votive offerings were deposited and burials often conducted. The Thames, which flows through London, still bears its Celtic name, from Tamesis, the dark river, which is the same name as Tamesa, a tributary of the Ganges.

    Not only is the story of Danu and the Danube a parallel to that of Ganga and the Ganges but a Hindu Danu appears in the Vedic story “The Churning of the Oceans,” a story with parallels in Irish and Welsh mytholgy. Danu in Sanskrit also means “divine waters” and “moisture.”

    In ancient Ireland, as in ancient Hindu society, there was a class of poets who acted as charioteers to the warriors They were also their intimates and friends. In Irish sagas these charioteers extolled the prowess of the warriors. The Sanskrit Satapatha Brahmana says that on the evening of the first day of the horse sacrifice (and horse sacrifice was known in ancient Irish kingship rituals, recorded as late as the 12th century) the poets had to chant a praise poem in honor of the king or his warriors, usually extolling their genealogy
    and deeds.

    Such praise poems are found in the Rig Veda and are called narasamsi. The earliest surviving poems in old Irish are also praise poems, called fursundud, which trace back the genealogy of the kings of Ireland to Golamh or Mile Easpain, whose sons landed in Ireland at the end of the second millennium bce. When Amairgen, Golamh’s son, who later traditions hail as the “first Druid,” set foot in Ireland, he cried out an extraordinary incantation that could have come from the Bhagavad Gita, subsuming all things into his being [see sidebar right].

    Celtic cosmology is a parallel to Vedic cosmology. Ancient Celtic astrologers used a similar system based on twenty-seven lunar mansions, called nakshatras in Vedic Sanskrit. Like the Hindu Soma, King Ailill of Connacht, Ireland, had a circular palace constructed with twenty-seven windows through which he could gaze on his twenty-seven “star wives.”

    There survives the famous first century bce Celtic calendar (the Coligny Calendar) which, as soon as it was first discovered in 1897, was seen to have parallels to Vedic calendrical computations. In the most recent study of it, Dr. Garret Olmsted, an astronomer as well as Celtic scholar, points out the startling fact that while the surviving calendar was manufactured in the first century bce, astronomical calculus shows that it must have been computed in 1100 bce.

    One fascinating parallel is that the ancient Irish and Hindus used the name Budh for the planet Mercury. The stem budh appears in all the Celtic languages, as it does in Sanskrit, as meaning “all victorious,” “gift of teaching,” “accomplished,” “enlightened,” “exalted” and so on. The names of the famous Celtic queen Boudicca, of ancient Britain (1st century ce), and of Jim Bowie (1796-1836), of the Texas Alamo fame, contain the same root. Buddha is the past participle of the same Sanskrit word–“one who is enlightened.”

    For Celtic scholars, the world of the Druids of reality is far more revealing and exciting, and showing of the amazingly close bond with its sister Vedic culture, than the inventions of those who have now taken on the mantle of modern “Druids,” even when done so with great sincerity.’

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    Celts Brahmins

     

     

  • Dangers Of Google Search Health Conditions

    Recently I came across two instances where Google search becomes dangerous.

     

    In one instance, a Girl of about, settled in the US, was eating Dumpling in a Restaurant with her colleagues.

     

    The dish was quite hot.

     

    TMJ jpeg
    TMJ condition

     

    While engaged in conversation with her friends, shed did not notice it was hot and popped it her mouth.

     

    It was so hot that as a reflex action swallowed it instead of spitting it out.

     

    The piece got stuck in her throat, she could not speak,swallow, her face turned bluish and she could not breathe.

     

    People around her did not notice it, but some one near by noticed it and gave her a slap in her back and she swallowed it.

     

    Otherwise she would have choked herself to death.

     

    Air Marshall Mukherjee of Indian Air force died this way aboard an aircraft this way.

     

    But this post is not about the dangers of eating with out some basic precautions, while engaged in conversation.

     

    ( Hinduism forbids speech/conversion while eating).

     

    The girl being educated a web addict searched Google for her condition, symptoms.

     

    She found a lot of cases where the writers have expressed their problems of not being able to touch food for months because of Fear.

     

    The girl got scared and abstained from eating for a week, when some one told her harshly to eat and ate normally.

     

    In another instance, a girl searched Google for pain in the cheek, Jaws and got landed with people writing about symptoms of TMJ, where some one has written that  she has the condition for twenty years, in incurable pain and had been under Streiod(?) medication , which has complicated the issues by adding Insomnia to the list.

     

    And this girl has started doing the rounds with the doctors , starting from Dentist,ENT specialist, Neurologist,Neurosurgeon and took FBC ( Full Blood Count) Test,urine Culture, Sputum and Stools.

     

    All the parameters were normal.

     

    The girl started imagining she has some disease hat would stay with her for Life and she would lose her sanity!

     

    She did not sleep for two days, not more than 5 Hours a day.

     

    She now imagines she has Insomnia and wanted to meet with a Psychiatric Counselor.

     

    Having studied Psychology and known what this is about I forbid her.

     

    I scolded her very rudely , counseled her and she is alright now.

     

    Lessons.

     

    1.Medicine is an evolving Science, if not exact.

     

    Doctors proceed from Symptoms to disease and not the other way around.

     

    One symptom may be indicative of any disease, some of them serious, some worth ignoring.

     

    By trial and error or experience or both, Doctors diagnose.

     

    It is foolish to replace a Doctor with Internet search.

     

    Still worse is to reading fro among the first twenty or so results in Google search.

     

    I find people normally taking the first two or three results of Google search as Gospel.

     

    Nothing can be more wrong.

     

    Authentic information need not appear in the first results.

     

    The first page search results are determined not by so much by the  correctness of the information  but by keywords, the search term used, and then the number of times the article has been read.

     

    If the initial query has been incorrect, the site has used the correct key words though wrong information, the results will appear in the first twenty results.

     

    Therefore the first results in Google search need not be correct.

     

    Again unless you know the fundamentals of medicine do not read internet, whatever the site says it is.

     

    And remember our Body is the best system in the world to rectify itself.

     

    Do not brood over illnesses, consult a Doctor , have faith in him and follow his advice.

     

    Take tie in finding out a general physician who does not prescribe you medicine at the drop of a hat, or who sends you for a lot of tests even for a small thing.

     

    And stick with him.

     

    Such a doctor need not be expensive.

     

    I go to a doctor who is at least 50 years old, who checks me up physically, allows my body to heal without resorting to heavy dosage and one who is cal and not in a hurry.

     

     

     

     

     

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