Tag: Ayodhya

  • Rama Spoke Tamil In Ayodhya

    I came across an interesting article which sought to prove that Tamil was the language spoken throughout India in Bharatavarsha,Tamil being the Language of Mankind and Sanskrit of God’s!

    I could have brushed it aside for the thought seemed to be outrageous.

    Lord Ram's Sculpture at Hampi,Karnataka, India.
    Lord Rama, Sculpture at Hampi

    The references in the article were compelling, them being quoted from The Ramayana, the early Tamil Literature,Puranas .

    The author tries to prove that Tamil was the spoken language of  Bharatavarsha,Rama ,Hanuman spoke Tamil, Rama in Ayodhya, Hanuman when he met Lord Rama in Kishkinda Kandam.

    It is said Sanskrit belongs to Aryan Group of languages while Tamil belongs to the Dravidian Group.

    This thought was propagated by The British when they colonized India concurrent with the theory floated by them that the Aryans invaded Davidians.

    I leave the judgement to the readers.

    I feel that the references in the post need careful evaluation with an open mind.

    ‘LP. KR. Ramanathan Chettiar and a host of others. He was widely respected as letters written to him by the great scholar and patron of scholars, Pandithurai Thevar, “Thamizh Thatha” U. Ve. Saminatha Iyer, Srinivasa Pillai of Thanjavur, who wrote the “Thamizh Varalaru”, Pandithamani Kathiresan Chettiar and others, which are in our possession now, show. He has established through these articles that Tamil was the spoken language throughout Bharath or India, during the Ramayana period and even earlier while Sanskrit was the language of the litterateurs and it was in Tamil that Lord Rama and others conversed in Ayodhya).’

    Valmiki wrote a Sangam Poem.

    The “Purananooru” poem by Vanmikiyar also glorifies the importance of penance. It contains many words and sentences, which are pleasing to the ears, have great depth, and contain many Vedantic truths. It is very much in tune with his Ramayana verses.
    The poem has not been commented upon by later day scholars. To help research scholars, the poem, with its commentary, is given below:
    “Parithi soozhnda vippayankezhu maanilam
    oru pahal ezhuvar eithiyatre
    vaiyamum thavamum thookitravathukku
    ayyavi anaithum aatrathu aagalin
    kaivittanare kaathalar adhanal
    vittorai vidaall thiruve
    vidaa thorivall vidappattore”

    The meaning of this poem is that the world is surrounded by the Sun who drives away darkness. This earth is full of worldly pleasures, which are not eternal, and many kings claimed possession of this world as a day is divided into many parts and each part (Horai) is looked after by a “Horai Nayagan”. Some of them are big, others small. Some of them are inauspicious, while others are considered as auspicious and some of them are considered as enemies of each other. They are the masters of their own time and cannot interfere in other’s time. The worldly life is so impermanent, but what gives one permanence is penance. If one puts the benefits of worldly life in one plate in a balance and that of penance in the other, he will find the former stands no comparison with the latter. Hence many kings who ruled this world renounced it and became ascetics’…

    Instead of naming it Soundaryakandam, Valmiki has given the name of Sundarakandam as it is more pleasing to the ears and even those who are not well versed can understand its meaning. But Valmiki was a Sanskrit poet. Why did he not name it as Soundaryakandam following the Sanskrit custom and named it as Sundarakandam following the Tamil custom? It was because he was well versed in Tamil and wanted to make known to the Sanskrit scholars such a fine usage. He wanted Sanskrit scholars to study many Tamil works. It is the custom of epic poets to make known the greatness of works in other languages to Sanskrit scholars…

    Tamil, The Language of Maknkind, Manusha Bhasha.

    . “Antharathvaha maasaadhya raakshashenami hasthitha”
    (I have reached this place when the demonesses are taking rest)
    2. “Sanairachvaasyishyami santhaapa bahu dhamimam”
    (I will try to pacify her, as she is highly agitated)
    3. “Ahamthvathithanuchaiva vaanarascha visheshatha”
    (I am a monkey, which is a small creature, not respected by others)
    4. “Vaachannodhaa harishyaami maanusheemiva samskruthaam”
    (If I speak the language spoken by human beings which is full of grammar)
    5. Yathivaacham praathasyami dwijathiriva samskruthaam
    (If I spoke Sanskrit, which is spoken by the twice born (dwija – Brahmin)
    6. Ravanam manyamanaa maam sita bhithaa bhavishyathi
    (Sita will think that Ravana has come disguised as a monkey)..

    http://tashindu.blogspot.in/

    ஒரே வால்மீகி எழுதியிருந்தால்தானே இது சாத்தியமாகும்?
    அதிலும் அந்த வால்மீகி சீதையிடம் பக்தி பூண்ட ராமாயண காலவால்மீகியாக இருந்தால்தானே அப்படி எழுதியிருக்க முடியும்?
    அந்த விசாரணைக்குப் போவதற்கு முன், இந்தப் பாடல்களைத் தெரிந்துகொள்வோம்.
    புறநானூறு 358:-
    பரிதி சூழ்ந்த விப்பயன்கேழு மாநிலம்
    ஒரு பகல் எழுவர் எய்தியற்றே
    வையமும் தவமும் தூக்கிற்றவக்துக்
    கையவி யனைத்து மாற்றா தாகலிர்
    கைவிட்டனரே காதலர் அதனால்
    விட்டோரை விடாள் திருவே
    விடாதோர் இவள் விடப்பட்டோரே “
    ஏழு வரிகளாலான சிறிய செய்யுள் இது. காஞ்சித்திணையில், மனையறம்,துறவறம் என்னும் துறையின் கீழ் கொடுக்கப்பட்டுள்ள இது, வான்மீகியார்அல்லது வான்மீகையார் என்பவரால் இயற்றப்பட்டுள்ளது என்று டா.உ.வே.சா அவர்கள் கண்டெடுத்த சுவடிகளில் கொடுக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது.
    இதன் பொருள்:-
    இந்த உலகம் எல்லாப்பக்கங்களிலும் சூரியனால் சூழப்பட்டு, அதாவதுஅதன் ஒளியால் சூழப்பட்டு, அந்த சூரியன் பொருட்டு கொடுக்கப்படும்அவிப்பயனையும் பெற்று, ஒரு பகலில் ஏழு பேர்களால் (ஏழு ஓரைகள்)அடையப்படுகிறது. அப்படிப்பட்ட இந்த உலகத்தின் பொருட்டுகிடைக்கின்ற பயனையும், தவத்தின் பயனையும், ஒரு தராசில் எடைபார்த்தால், உலக இன்பத்தால் கிடைக்கும் பயன், ஒருவெண்சிறுகடுகளவும் இருக்காது. அதனால் காதலர்கள் (காதலர் = வீடுபேறு விரும்புவோர்). உலக இன்பத்தைக் கைவிட்டனர். அப்படிவிட்டவர்களை திரு என்னும் லக்ஷ்மியானவள் கைவிட மாட்டாள்.ஆனால் உலக இன்பங்களை விடாதவர்களை லக்ஷ்மியானவள் கைவிட்டு விடுவாள்.
    இதுவே அந்தச் செய்யுள் தரும் விவரமாகும்.”
    லக்ஷ்மி நம்மை விடமாட்டாள் என்கிறது இந்தச் செய்யுள்
    அதாவது உலக இன்பத்தைத் துறக்க வேண்டும்
    அப்படித் துறந்தாருக்கு லக்ஷ்மி கடாக்ஷம் கிடைக்கும்
    அந்த நிலையில் உள்ளவர்களுக்கு அவள் தரும் கடாக்ஷம்,அஷ்டமாசித்திகளும்ஆத்ம சாதனைகளும்வீடு பேறும் ஆகும்.
    மேற்சொன்ன புறநானூறின் தொடர்ச்சியோ என்று நாம் நினைக்கும்வண்ணம் இதே கருத்தை வால்மீகன் பதினாறு தெரிவிக்கிறது
    பதினாறு செய்யுட்களைக் கொண்ட வால்மீகன் பதினாறு என்பது மற்றசித்தர் பாடல்களிலிருந்து வேறுபட்டது
    எப்படி என்றால்மற்ற சித்தர்கள் சிவனையே முழு முதற் கடவுளாகப்போற்றிசிவனருளால் முக்தியைத் தேடினர்
    அது அவர்கள் இயற்றிய பாடல்களிலும் எதிரொலிக்கிறது
    ஆனால் வால்மீகன் பதினாறின் முதல் செய்யுளிலேயே,
    சிவசக்தி திருமாலின் ரூபமாகும்.
    வருமுருவே சிவசக்தி வடிவமாகும்
  • Ramayana Data Tools For Dating Proof.

    Sage Valmiki provides extensive Data in Ramayana Slokas that help us in determine the date of Ramayana .

    They can be divided into two parts.

    1.Internal Evidence linking to the other happenings during the period, which in turn refer to the Ramayana.

    2.The events in The Ramayana described are annotated with the planetary configurations, like

    the Birth of Lord Rama,

    Rama’s exile,

    Kara, Dhushan’s Fight with Rama,

    Eclipses during the period of Ramayana,

    Descriptions of Twelve Constellations during Hanuman’s return journey from Sri Lanka to Sunaabh Hill in the middle of the sea which apparently took about four and a half hours from 6:30 AM to 11 AM. All these details of planets and nakshtras with reference to eight constellations described in Sarga 57 (1, 2, 3) of chapter five tally exactly with the sky view generated by the software for the morning of 14th September 5076 BC from Lanka.

    Sea Level Curve of the Rama Sethu,Adam’s Bridge.

    These have been analysed by

    1.Computer aided extraction of planetary references from ancient books.
    2. Planetarium softwares for astronomical dating of such references
    3. Satellite based Remote Sensing techniques
    4. Underwater explorations and Geospatial Technologies
    5. Radiocarbon dating, Thermo Luminescence dating methods
    6. Human Genome studies, Biological and Cultural Anthropology
    7. Palaeobotanical, Palaeozoological and Palaeoclimatic studies
    8. Geographic and Geological research tools.
    References:
    Date of Birth of Lord Ram

    Aadikavi Valmiki in 1/18/8-10 of Ramayan has given details that Shri Ram was born on 9th tithi of Chaitra month during day time when the position of different planets vis-à-vis zodiac constellations and nakshatras (visible stars) was as under:

    1. Sun in Aries                         2. Saturn in Libra 3. Jupiter in Cancer                4. Venus in Pisces 5. Mars in Capricorn              6. Lunar month of Chaitra 7. Ninth day after Amavasya  8. Lagna as Cancer 9. Moon near the star Punar vasu (Pollux) in Gemini Constellation.

    Moon & Jupiter were shining together in Cancer.

    This data was entered into the ‘Planetarium Gold’ software, the results indicated that this was exactly the location of planets/stars vis-à-vis zodiac constellations on the 10th of January noon time in the year 5114 BC if viewed from latitude/longitude of Ayodhya (25°N 81°E). Thus Shri Ram was born on 10th January in 5114 BC.

    By making use of software to convert solar calendar into lunar calendar, it was found that this date also happened to be the 9th day of Shukla Paksha in ‘Chaitra’ month and the time was around 12 to 1 noontime. This is exactly the time and date when Ramnavmi is celebrated all over India till date .

    Constellations during Rama'a Birth.
    Position of Stars during Lord Rama’s Birth
    Solar Eclipse during War with Khar-Dushan
    Ramayan refers to the solar eclipse at the time of war with Khar-Dushan in later half of 13th year of Shri Ram’s stay in the forests. Valmiki has also mentioned that it was Amavasya day and planet Mars was in the middle. When this data was entered, the sky view generated by computer software indicated that there was a solar eclipse on 7th October, 5077 BC (Amavasya day) which could be seen from Panchvati (20° N; 73° E) (Fig. 2). On that date planetary configuration was the same as has been described by Valmiki i.e. Mars was in the middle; on one side were Mercury, Venus and Jupiter and on the other side were Sun, Moon and Saturn.
    Ramayana Eclipse details during Kara Dhushan's War with Rama.
    Fig. 2: Showing Planetary position on 7th October, 5077 BC (Amavasya), the day of Solar Eclipse, when Lord Ram fought the battle with Khar.

    Ram’s Bridge – its satellite image and oceanographic evidences:

    Ram-sena first camped in Koddikarai but after surveying the sea area, the location was found unsuitable for constructing the bridge. Therefore, Shri Ram shifted the entire army to Rameshwaram. In Yuddh Kand, sarg 22 (shlokas 45-73) Valmiki has given graphic details of Lord Ram carrying out research and exploration to identify a suitable location for construction of the bridge. After identifying the location, he requested Sugriva to search for an expert Shilpakar who could construct such a bridge. Sugriva recommended the name of Nal, a famous shilpakar, who had the expertise similar to that of Vishwakarma in constructing the bridge. Accordingly Nal was called; he concurred that bridge could indeed to constructed at the location identified by Shri Ram. The construction of this bridge was completed under the supervision of Nal in five days by filling up of the gaps in the existing natural chain of land route consisting of islands, rocks and shoals (6/22/68-73).The armymen of Lord Ram utilized various tools and implements for uprooting trees like saal, taar, coconut, mango, ashoka, arjun, bakul and bilva etc (6/22/47). With the help of various yantras they transported these stones, trees, creepers, and boulders to the seashore (2/22/60). Shilpakar Nal directed the armymen to stand with long ropes on either side and got the bridge constructed in five days by binding such transported materials together. Even the use of measuring tools has been described (6/22/65).

    Satellite Image A few years back, NASA had put pictures on internet of this bridge, the ruins of which are found submerged in Palk Strait between Rameshwaram (Dhanush Koti) and Mannar (Thalaimannar). The bridge is composed of a series of islands, rocks, and shoals and it is stated to be 30 kilometers long. It is found exactly at the location narrated in Valmiki Ramayan. See NASA picture of this Bridge (Fig. 10).

    Adam's Bridge, Rama Sethu as mentioned in Ramayana, NASA Image.
    Rama Sethu,Adam’s Bridge,he bridge is composed of a series of islands, rocks, and shoals and it is stated to be 30 kilometers long. It is found exactly at the location narrated in Valmiki Ramayan. See NASA picture of this Bridge (Fig. 10).

    Related:

    http://ramanisblog.in/2011/03/13/birth-date-of-lord-ramaroute-taken-by-him-to-sri-lanka-maps/

    External Link.

    http://serveveda.org/?p=87

  • India is A Muslim Country,Hindu Maha Sabha Made it Hindu !?

    India is A Muslim Country,Hindu Maha Sabha Made it Hindu !?

    Siculars ! Are you happy?

    The Vedas are a Myth.

    Rama and Krishna are legends.

    Ramayana and Mahabharata are the figment of imagination, which have  over  300′ versions.

    ‘Depending on the methods of counting, as many as three hundred[1][2] versions of the Indian epic poem, the Ramayana, are known to exist. The oldest version is generally recognized to be the Sanskrit version attributed to the sage Valmiki.

    The Ramayana has spread to many Asian countries outside of India, including BurmaIndonesiaCambodiaLaosPhilippines, andChina. The original Valmiki version has been adapted or translated into various regional languages, which have often been marked more or less by plot twists and thematic adaptations. Some of the important adaptations of the classic tale include the 12th century Tamil language Ramavataram, the Khmer Reamker, the Old Javanese Kakawin Ramayana, and the Thai Ramakien and the Laos Phra Lak Phra Lam.'(wiki).’

    In fact India is an Islamic country where The Prophet was Born and revealed the Koran .

    Poor Babar innocently built a Mosque in reverence, these Hindu hooligans had Rama’s Statue installed there.

    So was Kasi Viswanath Temple.

    Benares_well.jpg Benares Well.e minarets are 71 meters high and used to dominated the Varanasi skyline till a 1948 flood caused it to collapse.[4][5] Material from the destroyed temple was reused by Aurangzeb while building the Gyanvapi Mosque.[6] The mosque shows evidence of original Hindu temple in its foundation, columns and rear.[3][5] The old temple wall was also incorporated as part of the walls of the mosque. The deliberately retained remnants of the temple are described to be “a warning and an insult to Hindu feelings”.[7] The façade is modeled on the Taj Mahal‘s entrance’

    Gazini's campaign. Sultan Mahmud and his forces attacking the fortress of Zaranj

    Ghazini Raids India

    17 times in 25 years. Following the defeat of the Rajput Confederacy, after deciding to teach them all a lesson for combining against him, discovering that they were rich, and that their temples were great repositories of wealth; Mahmud then set out on regular expeditions against them, leaving the conquered kingdoms in the hands of Hindu vassals annexing only the Punjab region.[2] He is also on record for having vowed to raid Hind every year. Mahmud had already had relationships with the leadership in Balkh through marriage, its local Emir Abu Nasr Mohammad, offered his services to the Sultan and his daughter to Mahmud’s son, Muhammad. After Nasr’s death Mahmud brought Balkh under his leadership. This alliance greatly helped him during his expeditions into Northern India. The Indian kingdoms of Nagarkot, Thanesar, Kannauj, Gwalior, and Ujjain were all conquered and left in the hands of Hindu, Jain and Buddhist Kings as vassal states and he was pragmatic enough not to shirk making alliances and enlisting local peoples into his armies at all ranks. The later invasions of Mahmud were specifically directed to temple towns as Indian temples were depositories of great wealth, in cash, golden idols, diamonds, and jewellery; Nagarkot, Thanesar, Mathura, Kanauj, Kalinjar and Somnath. Mahmud’s armies stripped the temples of their wealth and then destroyed them at Varanasi, Ujjain, Maheshwar, Jwalamukhi, and Dwarka.

    http://sawaal.ibibo.com/food/how-many-times-did-ghajini-mohammad-invaded-india-90446.html

    Poor Muslims and the Tolerant Islam!

    The Times of India Story:

    On the night of December 22-23, 1949, an idol of Ram Lalla “mysteriously” appeared inside Ayodhya’s Babri Masjid, setting in motion a chain of events that was to change the course of Indian politics in later decades. Little is known about what happened on that fateful night. But a new book now reveals how the events unfolded and claims those who pulled the strings of the Ayodhya strategy were also those accused in the Mahatma Gandhi murder case.

    Authors Krishna Jha and Dhirendra K Jha interviewed a number of surviving eyewitnesses and accessed archival material to uncover the buried story of how the mosque turned into a temple overnight — a tale that describes the motivations of local players, the administrative collusion and the grand plan of a nationwide rightwing political mobilization intended to pitchfork Hindu Mahasabha as a major political player in post-independent India.

    Central to the cast of local characters was Baba Abhiram Das, a well-built, 6-foot-tall local sadhu of the Nirvani akhara, who led three others into the mosque with the idol. Abhiram, later known as ‘Ramjanmabhoomi Uddharak’ (liberator) or simply as Uddharak Baba, died in 1981.

    The researchers pieced together events of that night through extensive interviews with Abhiram’s brother and cousins, who were all in Ayodhya in 1949. Two of his cousins —Indushekhar Jha and Yugal Kishore Jha — claim to have followed Abhiram into the mosque.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/A-midnight-raid-that-changed-course-of-history/articleshow/17499763.cms

    # Please read carefully. Many fail to understand the satire. Proof that I am not good at Satire.

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