Tag: law of Causality

  • ‘God Does Not Exist’ Proof ?

    ‘God Does Not Exist’ Proof ?

    Those who call themselves Rationalists say they disprove God by a mere statement that God  does not Exist.

    They declare that They can not perceive Him, so He does not Exist

    This often is the One Liner Argument.

    Other than this their arguments are in the form of rebuttal and abuse and ridicule of those who say God exists.

    Let me examine how constructive the arguments are for disproving God.

    Let us begin at the Philosophical Level.

    1.Perception.

    One can not see God, hear Him feel Him, so He does not exist.

    This argument belongs to Perception as a means of Knowledge.

    If one were to accept this yardstick of one experiencing every thing by oneself, then one can not prove anything.

    One can not prove he will die  for he has not experienced Death.

    One can not prove Hunger, Sex for One does not see hear these.

    Rather one feels.

    Feelings by themselves are not perceivable.

    They are known by their external manifestations, like being Happy, Sad.

    Feelings are inferred.

    Again senses themselves are not infallible.

    Renes Descartes , in his masterly analysis, quotes the experience of senses thus.

    You keep your hands in cold water for five minutes, then dip them in Hot water,

    The warmth takes longer to become effective  when compared to normal circumstances.

    One can do this the other way, keep them in warm water and dip later in cold water.

    Here, what exactly the senses convey and which one is correct?

    If one were to say I am aware that I dipped my hands in hot/cold water earlier,therefore I am able to distinguish the error of my understanding her.

    The fact that you understand that there was an error, means the senses do commit errors .

    Are the perceptions of things the same for every one for a particular object?

    For that matter, are we,or our senses consistent in conveying the information to us?

    How does a Blind Man prove there is Light?

    If you admit the has deficiency. one can also say we also have deficiencies in perceiving things for which our senses are not equipped.

    Do we Perceive Atoms?

    Do we see air?

    The earlier we do believe in, because Science tell us so.

    In the latter, we feel air.

    So we proceed to the next instrument of Knowledge, perception being inadequate.

    (for more on Perception, read my post on Perception under Indian Philosophy,Hinduism)

    2.Testimony.

    Atheists dismiss the Testimony  as being not proven.

    Reason?

    They are not proved or authentic.

    One does not know his Great Grand Father.

    We do believe   he lived.

    Because our Fathers have told us.

    Similarly one has to believe in Testimony unless proved otherwise by personal experience , not by Logic alone for Logic is faulty.I shall discuss it here later)

    What is the authenticity we are talking about?

    Support by other Books?

    If we can not believe the earlier ones, why should we believe in the latter?

    How  does one learn a Language?

    Through others, Testimony.

    Why do we not deny Language?

    Because we feel it is essential

    Who gave you names for things and why should they be correct .

    If you deny Testimony as a source of Knowledge, you should deny tit altogether.

    Not in bits and pieces as it suits you.

    3.Inference.

    Inference is built on Logic.

    What is Logic built on?

    Mind, which you have not seen or can perceive.

    This is Logical?

    If one were to say that the Mind is perceived because of its functions or effects, then one should also believe in God as the primary Cause.

    In Logic there are two vital elements,

    One is induction and another is Deduction.

    Induction is the process by which you come to a general statement(Genus).

    The next is Deduction, which proceeds by linking the Genus to individual case.

    Let us see an example.

    All men are mortal.

    Socrates is Man.

    Therefore He is Mortal.

    The General Statement that All Men are Mortal does not conform to Logic.

    We have not checked all the things that were born, are born or would be born and verified that once born they are certain to die.

    This is called the Inductive Leap.

    On what basis in this allowed?

    Logic again depends on the Law of Uniformity of Nature.

    Law of Uniformity can not be proved for the same reason as in the Syllogism stated above.

    There is no guarantee that The Gravitational Force will be there to-morrow.

    Law of Causality is again built on The Law of Uniformity of Nature.

    Moreover, One Cause may produce more than one result and one result may be due to many Causes.

    How does one link a particular Cause and Effect?

    I shall be writing on this from the Indian Philosophical point of view, Parinama Vada and Vivarta Vada later as it is a complicated topic.

    I shall be dealing with the other instruments of Knowledge like Intuition in the future, along with rebuttal for Atheists 50 Arguments point by point.

  • ‘No Heaven..Some thing Out of Nothing’-Hawking Non-sense.

    True.

    But there are people who made the Computer.

    Reality is the Ultimate Cause.

    A Scientist should know that there has to be cause for Every thing.

    ( Indian Philosophy has a different approach on this point)

    Inability to distinguish between Religion and Metaphysics is a failing of Hawking,

    What the Ultimate Cause is, in the Realms of Philosophy.

    The very fact he is harping on Fear of death is an indication of his fear.

    By denying the unknown he is trying o overcome his fear.

    Let him have the luxury.

    For more details on the subject read the blog at the end of this story.

    Story:

    “I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark.”

    “I have lived with the prospect of an early death for the last 49 years. I’m not afraid of death, but I’m in no hurry to die. I have so much I want to do first,” he told the newspaper.

    http://current.com/1bocmkc

    Stephen hawking , in his forthcoming book the Grand Design makes interesting observations.While he , in his earlier book,Brief history of Time seemed to take  a philosophical position, which is unwarranted, as scientists normally  concern themselves to their discipline instead of trying to explain things from their discipline,in his latest book he has taken the position that God is not necessary for the creation of Universe.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2010-09-03-hawking02_ST_N.htm?csp=34news&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+usatoday-NewsTopStories+%28News+-+Top+Stories%29

    The absurdity of this argument lies in the fact that he has taken or rather seems to take the concept of God according to Christianity.

    Creation , according to  The Bible, is to have begun at a fixed point of Time.

    This is not logically tenable.

    Can he define ‘Some thing’ and ‘Nothing’?

    Every effect has a cause, every Effect has more than one Cause ;a Cause may be a result of another Cause and an Effect may be a  Cause for another Effect.

    In the first case, we credit an Event/Effect with a specific Cause relatively for this case for this cause  may be a result of another cause.

    In the second case the reverse is true.Causes are classified into Immediate Cause, Concomitant Cause.Material Cause,Efficient Cause etc.No single entity is responsible for any Effect .Similar is the case with Effects.

    Law of causality in nothing but a tool of mind to find a pattern for our convenience of understanding and classification.Things happenirrrespective of the fact whether we recognise them , classify them or not.

    Things/Events happen-Period.

    Unified Theory is as good as Chaos Theory.Both are equally true , depending on our perception.

    As Immanuel Kant has observed Space and Time are the two spectacles through which we perceive.Take away the these twin concepts(in fact they are one), you can perceive or conceptualize nothing.

    Therefore the causality is a myth.

    Again Law of causality depends on two factors,Law of uniformity of nature and Law of Causation.

    We know, or rather we think we know that the the law of of Uniformity of Nature will be there tomorrow as in Sun appearing to morrow.At best we may say it has happened till date and MAY be so to morrow.That is all.

    We have already seen that law of Causality is a myth and only a convenient tool as science is .

    Therefore the argument for First cause is not tenable(God).

    Then how do we explain the Universe and Mind?

    As said earlier things happen, happened ,and shall happen.

    We are in the flow ,as Henri Bergson called it,elan vital-Stream of Consciousness.

    We can not pin point a point of Time when this originated

    Please refer my Blog on Time-a non linear theory for details.

    Hence Hawking is right in so far as the concept of God as Christianity sees it.

    Not philosophically correct.

    Spinoza explains the Reality( God) thus.

    “Substance is that which exists independently of any thing else and which does not need the conception  of any thing in order to be conceived”

    Hinduism states that reality is without Cause,it is the First cause.It has no attribute.It is immanent.beyond human intellect.It is indescribable,It can not be known.it can only be experienced.It can not be defined but can be described by negating-not this, not this.

    Hinduism states that things were, are and shall be.(The Bhagavad Gita).

    Universe evolved both matter and Mind by the Sparsa( loosely trnslated means touching,grazing) of inanimate matter Prakriti or nature( not Nature) or qualities and dynamic or Flowing Energy Purusha.

    They graze due to lila or playfully(loose translation) with out any specific purpose or purposeless may be a purpose.

    Out these are formed the seeming first cause, mahat and 24 principles are evolved for the Creation.It does not Time reference.

    “Because there is a law such as gravity, the Universe can and will create itself from nothing,” the excerpt says. “Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the Universe exists, why we exist. It is not necessary to invoke God to … set the Universe going.”-Hawking in his latest Book.

    Exactly.This what Hinduism is about.

    The dichotomy between western and oriental thought is due to the basic difference in the basic concept of Knowledge.

    In the west knowledge is to be gained.A positive concept.-philosophically speaking.

    In the east it is the removal of ignorance.

    West follows the dictum Nihilo nihil Fit'( out of nothing comes).

    East”This is full,That is Full; having taken Full out of Full, Full remains Full”

    Hawking is right on the denial of God as conceptualized by Christianity ;wrong from the Indian and philosophical standpoint.

  • Something out of Nothing?God is not required?

    Stephen hawking , in his forthcoming book the Grand Design makes interesting observations.While he , in his earlier book,Brief history of Time seemed to take  a philosophical position, which is unwarranted, as scientists normally  concern themselves to their discipline instead of trying to explain things from their discipline,in his latest book he has taken the position that God is not necessary for the creation of Universe.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2010-09-03-hawking02_ST_N.htm?csp=34news&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+usatoday-NewsTopStories+%28News+-+Top+Stories%29

    The absurdity of this argument lies in the fact that he has taken or rather seems to take the concept of God according to Christianity.

    Creation , according to  The Bible, is to have begun at a fixed point of Time.

    This is not logically tenable.

    Can he define ‘Some thing’ and ‘Nothing’?

    Every effect has a cause, every Effect has more than one Cause ;a Cause may be a result of another Cause and an Effect may be a  Cause for another Effect.

    In the first case, we credit an Event/Effect with a specific Cause relatively for this case for this cause  may be a result of another cause.

    In the second case the reverse is true.Causes are classified into Immediate Cause, Concomitant Cause.Material Cause,Efficient Cause etc.No single entity is responsible for any Effect .Similar is the case with Effects.

    law of causality in nothing but a tool of mind to find a pattern for our convenience of understanding and classification.Things happenirrrespective of the fact whether we recognise them , classify them or not.

    Things/Events happen-Period.

    Unified Theory is as good as Chaos Theory.Both are equally true , depending on our perception.

    As Immanuel Kant has observed Space and Time are the two spectacles through which we perceive.Take away the these twin concepts(in fact they are one), you can perceive or conceptualize nothing.

    Therefore the causality is a myth.

    Again Law of causality depends on two factors,Law of uniformity of nature and Law of Causation.

    We know, or rather we think we know that the the law of of Uniformity of Nature will be there tomorrow as in Sun appearing to morrow.At best we may say it has happened till date and MAY be so to morrow.That is all.

    We have already seen that law of Causality is a myth and only a convenient tool as science is .

    Therefore the argument for First cause is not tenable(God).

    Then how do we explain the Universe and Mind?

    As said earlier things happen, happened ,and shall happen.

    We are in the flow ,as Henri Bergson called it,elan vital-Stream of Consciousness.

    We can not pin point a point of Time when this originated

    Please refer my Blog on Time-a non linear theory for details.

    Hence hawking is right in so far as the concept of God as Christianity sees it.

    Not philosophically correct.

    Spinoza explains the Reality( God) thus.

    “Substance is that which exists independently of any thing else and which does not need the concept  of any thing in order to be conceived”

    Hinduism states that reality is without Cause,it is the First cause.It has no attribute.It is immanent.beyond human intellect.It is indescribable,It can not be known.it can only be experienced.It can not be defined but can be described by negating-not this, not this.

    Hinduism states that things were, are and shall be.(The Bhagavad Gita).

    Universe evolved both matter and Mind by the Sparsa( loosely trnslated means touching,grazing) of inanimate matter Prakriti or nature( not Nature) or qualities and dynamic or Flowing Energy Purusha.

    They graze due to lila or playfully(loose translation) with out any specific purpose or purposeless may be a purpose.

    Out these are formed the seeming first cause, mahat and 24 principles are evolved for the Creation.It does not Time reference.

    “Because there is a law such as gravity, the Universe can and will create itself from nothing,” the excerpt says. “Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the Universe exists, why we exist. It is not necessary to invoke God to … set the Universe going.”-Hawking in his latest Book.

    Exactly.This what Hinduism is about.

    The dichotomy between western and oriental thought is due to the basic difference in the basic concept of Knowledge.

    In the west knowledge is to be gained.A positive concept.-philosophically speaking.

    In the east it is the removal of ignorance.

    West follows the dictum’Ex Nihilo nihil Fit'( out of nothing comes).

    East”This is full,That is Full; having taken Full out of Full, Full remains Full”

    Hawking is right on the denial of God as conceptualized by Christianity ;wrong from the indian and philosophical standpoint.