Day: January 7, 2015

  • Answer To Geographical Anamalies Purana Ramayana

    There seems to be quite a few anomalies in Hindu Purana and the Ithihasa, Ramayana and Mahabharata.

    Though it might appear that I accept everything Hindu and Indian, it is not so.

    I approach every subject with an open mind and if I am satisfied about the authenticity of the information I write.

    Gondwana the super continent.
    Gndwana Map. Image credit.http://www.crystallotus.com/Lemuria/01.htm

    If, in Hinduism, it is found, that there were some practices,which were not humane I do not hesitate to highlight them.

    As in the case of women being excluded from performing Karma and the refusal to have Upanayana for women< I found that our notions to be incorrect and I have written about them.

    Or the views of the Hindu texts, Sanatana Dharma on LGBT.

    Even while I read the texts of Purana and Ramayana I look for inconsistencies

    Some Geographical Inconsistencies in Ramayana.

    1.Adams Bridge, Rama Sethu is 18 Miles, Hanuman flew  100 Yojanas or 800 Miles.

    2.Sugreeva directs his troops tp search for Sita in Peru!

    Gondwana ,Super  Continent Image,
    Gondwana The Super Continent. Images from http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/238402/Gondwana

     

    Purana.

    1.Every country in the world has some link with the Sanatana Dharma and artefacts, Coins, Idols, writings.

    2.Reference to Siva and Ganesha traveled towards the west of Dravida and eventually reached Arctic.

    3.That their descendants again traveled back and reentered India via Russia ,Kazakhstan and Iran.

    This forced me look for answers in Geology .

    I do not dismiss Purana and the Ithihasas as Fiction because facts mentioned in them are true and correct in Geographical locations at least.

    The answer to this riddle lies in the Super Continent of Gondwana.

     

    Gondwana, also called Gondwanaland,  ancient supercontinent that incorporated present-day South America, Africa, Arabia, Madagascar, India, Australia, and Antarctica. It was fully assembled by Late Precambrian time, some 600 million years ago, and the first stage of its breakup began in the Early Jurassic Period, about 180 million years ago. The name Gondwanaland was coined by the Austrian geologist Eduard Suess in reference to Upper Paleozoic and Mesozoic formations in the Gondwana region of central India, which are similar to formations of the same age on Southern Hemisphere continents.

    The matching shapes of the coastlines of western Africa and eastern South America were first noted by Francis Bacon in 1620 as maps of Africa and the New World first became available. The concept that all of the continents of the Southern Hemisphere were once joined together was set forth in detail by Alfred Wegener, a German meteorologist, in 1912. He envisioned a single great landmass, Pangaea (or Pangea). Gondwana comprised the southern half of this supercontinent…

     

    The breakup of Gondwana occurred in stages. Some 180 million years ago, in the Jurassic Period, the western half of Gondwana (Africa and South America) separated from the eastern half (Madagascar, India, Australia, and Antarctica). The South Atlantic Ocean opened about 140 million years ago as Africa separated from South America. At about the same time, India, which was still attached to Madagascar, separated from Antarctica and Australia, opening the central Indian Ocean. During the Late Cretaceous Period, India broke away from Madagascar, and Australia slowly rifted away from Antarctica. India eventually collided with Eurasia some 50 million years ago, forming the Himalayan mountains, while the northward-moving Australian plate had just begun its collision along the southern margin of Southeast Asia—a collision that is still under way today.”

    Now there is no wonder, if you look at the Map of Gondwana that Sugreeva sent in hi army to search for Sita in Peru, which lies in the South,.

    And considering the distances involved, Hanuman Could have flown 800 miles, because Valimiki is clear on this and this might Lanka somewhere in Africa!

    How, then , is to explain the remains of Ravana’s palace his Puspaka Vimana Axle and other Ramayana sites in Lanka?

    Probably the bigger landmass or some portion of it, was known as Lanka.

    Then we have the Adams Bridge of 18 Miles!

    I am searching for answers.

    Considering the landmass of Gondwana, there is no wonder that our people crossed these distances easily.

    And the position of Indian at that time is such that a Tsunami would have forced people to go as described in the Purana and Tamil Literature.

    On Tamil Kings ,Geology and Sanatana Dharma I will posting articles.

    Citation.

    Gondwana, Brittanica.

    Gondwana crystallotus

    Images from the above sites.

    http://ramanisblog.in/2014/07/31/search-sita-in-peru-nazca-lines-sugreeva-ramayana/

  • Break The Backbone Sanskrit Indian Culture ,Indians Support this?

    That Lord Macaulay introduced English to India is known to every one.

    It is also , not so well-known that he introduced it, because,

     

    “I have traveled across the length and breadth of India and I have not seen one person who is a beggar, who is a thief. Such wealth I have seen in this country, such high moral values, people of such calibre, that I do not think we would ever conquer this country, unless we break the very backbone of this nation, which is her spiritual and cultural heritage, and, therefore, I propose that we replace her old and ancient education system, her culture, for if the Indians think that all that is foreign and English is good and greater than their own, they will lose their self-esteem, their native self-culture and they will become what we want them, a truly dominated nation.”

    -Lord Macaulay’s speech in the British Parliament on 2nd February 1835.

    Macaulay on India.png
    Thomas Babington Macaulay On Hinduism,speech on introduction of English in India.

    Now a concerted attempt is on to justify(?) Macaulay by stating that ,

    Are we to keep the people of India ignorant in order that we may keep them submissive? Or do we think that we can give them knowledge without awakening ambition? Or do we mean to awaken ambition and to provide it with no legitimate vent? Who will answer any of these questions in the affirmative? Yet one of them must be answered in the affirmative, by every person who maintains that we ought permanently to exclude the natives from high office. I have no fears. The path of duty is plain before us: and it is also the path of wisdom, of national prosperity, of national honor.[See the full text here]”

    What is the position?

    Voltaire French Philospher on Hinduism.jpg
    Voltaire on Hinduism

    Macaulay’s speech excerpts and Minutes.

     

    Education and the English Empire in India

    I feel that, for the good of India itself, the admission of natives to high office must be effected by slow degrees. But that, when the fulness of time is come, when the interest of India requires the change, we ought to refuse to make that change lest we should endanger our own power, this is a doctrine of which I cannot think without indignation. Governments, like men, may buy existence too dear. “Propter vitam vivendi perdere causas,” [“To lose the reason for living, for the sake of staying alive”] is a despicable policy both in individuals and in states. In the present case, such a policy would be not only despicable, but absurd. The mere extent of empire is not necessarily an advantage. To many governments it has been cumbersome; to some it has been fatal. It will be allowed by every statesman of our time that the prosperity of a community is made up of the prosperity of those who compose the community, and that it is the most childish ambition to covet dominion which adds to no man’s comfort or security. To the great trading nation, to the great manufacturing nation, no progress which any portion of the human race can make in knowledge, in taste for the conveniences of life, or in the wealth by which those conveniences are produced, can be matter of indifference. It is scarcely possible to calculate the benefits which we might derive from the diffusion of European civilisation among the vast population of the East. It would be, on the most selfish view of the case, far better for us that the people of India were well governed and independent of us, than ill governed and subject to us; that they were ruled by their own kings, but wearing our broadcloth, and working with our cutlery, than that they were performing their salams to English collectors and English magistrates, but were too ignorant to value, or too poor to buy, English manufactures. To trade with civilised men is infinitely more profitable than to govern savages. That would, indeed, be a doting wisdom, which, in order that India might remain a dependency, would make it an useless and costly dependency, which would keep a hundred millions of men from being our customers in order that they might continue to be our slaves.

    Are we to keep the people of India ignorant in order that we may keep them submissive? Or do we think that we can give them knowledge without awakening ambition? Or do we mean to awaken ambition and to provide it with no legitimate vent? Who will answer any of these questions in the affirmative? Yet one of them must be answered in the affirmative, by every person who maintains that we ought permanently to exclude the natives from high office. 1 have no fears. The path of duty is plain before us: and it is also the path of wisdom, of national prosperity, of national honor.

    Source

    From Thomas Babington Macaulay, “Speech in Parliament on the Government of India Bill, 10 July 1833,” Macaulay, Prose and Poetry, selected by G.M. Young (Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1957), pp. 716-18

    I have no knowledge of either Sanscrit or Arabic.-But I have done what I could to form a correct estimate of their value. I have read translations of the most celebrated Arabic and Sanscrit works. I have conversed both here and at home with men distinguished by their proficiency in the Eastern tongues. I am quite ready to take the Oriental learning at the valuation of the Orientalists themselves. I have never found one among them who could deny that a single shelf of a good European library was worth the whole native literature of India and Arabia. The intrinsic superiority of the Western literature is, indeed, fully admitted by those members of the Committee who support the Oriental plan of education.

    It will hardly be disputed, I suppose, that the department of literature in which the Eastern writers stand highest is poetry. And I certainly never met with any Orientalist who ventured to maintain that the Arabic and Sanscrit poetry could be compared to that of the great European nations. But when we pass from works of imagination to works in which facts are recorded, and general principles investigated, the superiority of the Europeans becomes absolutely immeasurable. It is, I believe, no exaggeration to say, that all the historical information which has been collected from all the books written in the Sanscrit language is less valuable than what may be found in the most paltry abridgements used at preparatory schools in England. In every branch of physical or moral philosophy, the relative position of the two nations is nearly the same.”

     

    The apologists Macaulay claim that,

     

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    Clearly, Macaulay was saying something directly opposite to what has been quoted as his!
    There is indeed a clear reason why this distorted quote was invented. This is indeed RSS and its followers, who put words on Macaulay. I now know RSS even referred to English speaking Indians as ‘Children of Macaulay’! The quote above, passed on by my trusting friend, is a spoof, RSS trying to interpret what Macaulay might have meant. [I am sure those who did it knew that Macaulay also put Arabic on the same boat as Sanksrit]”
    Macaulay on Indian Culture.

    “I have traveled across the length and breadth of India and I have not seen one person who is a beggar, who is a thief. Such wealth I have seen in this country, such high moral values, people of such calibre, that I do not think we would ever conquer this country, unless we break the very backbone of this nation, which is her spiritual and cultural heritage, and, therefore, I propose that we replace her old and ancient education system, her culture, for if the Indians think that all that is foreign and English is good and greater than their own, they will lose their self-esteem, their native self-culture and they will become what we want them, a truly dominated nation.”

    Now one can judge as to what are the intentions of Macaulay.

    Citations.

    http://books.google.co.in/books?id=0kSMosMLUMwC&pg=PA169&lpg=PA169&dq=lord+macaulay+2nd+february+1835+india&source=web&ots=wmjOO95mYR&sig=Q6U0FlzLCJH3Tl21qCOIqva-oy8&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=lord%20macaulay%202nd%20february%201835%20india&f=false

    http://sundayposts.blogspot.in/2008/01/lord-macaulays-quote-on-india.html#.VKyg3cn4C4o

    http://legacy.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1833macaulay-india.asp

    http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/articles/hinduism/macaulay.html